Your time would be better invested doing RTR's. Why would even want to be around those disgusting energies? Do some RTR's Get Satan's Sigil Ask Satan if He's available for a question. If He says yes, ask Him if that is indeed what is needed to be done from you. Premonitions are farts unless...

Well this art is definitely provocative.... I can understand the shirt.... But then I saw the unbuckled belt.... Good job, definitely provocative.

You're doing this with a digital camera, you won't achieve that with Film.... The "weird effects" is the processing from the digital photo encoding the information. The lack of light puts more processing power on the camera which probly slows it down thus creating the effects. Either way, who...

My sincerest thank you to all those involved with restoring the forums. <3 I promise to make back ups henceforth. No matter how powerful our forums, or websites are....There's always a possibility they won't be there. That possibility may be very slim, but, it's always better to be prepared.

A word of advice Miss Maddcat0 don't share your personal legal information here. That is for your safety. One Google search, I found your MySpace, Pinterest, DeviantArt, and worst of all where you live. By all means do what you want...This is just a fair warning. We've had members in the past...

No publisher today would do such a thing. It could destroy their business and reputation. That's not how it should be.... but that's how it is.... Also, most of if not all of Joy Of Satan ministries is Copyrighted and Protected by Maxine so a publisher doing just that commercial, personal...

Don't waste your time with Joel Holmes everyone. Mr. Holmes, you've made no attempt to thoroughly refute the statements myself and others have made against your claims.We're not going to google anything, you're a big boy why must you insist we do your work for you? You defend the "Denigrating...

Pretty good. But I don't think it'll "unbrainwash" any xians

Joel Holmes, you're an idiot. (I don't care if this gets me banned) adult swim and Cartoon Network ARE NOT SATANIC IN ANYWAY. Promoting race mixing, showing heroes as lazy irresponsible people, encouraging poor values, on children shows ARE NOT SATANIC IN ANYWAY. Rebecca Sugar, one of CN's...

Rick and Morty has more (((subliminal messaging))) than positive messaging. Rick does indeed hate religion, however, he recognizes, acknowledges, and is shown praying time to time. Rick is revered as the most intelligent being in the Universe. The Most Intelligent Being acknowledges jesus and...

Does anyone know who created DuckDuckGo? Gabriel Weinberg. That's a red flag right there. DuckDuckGo claims there is no tracking or selling of your personal information...But it doesn't claim to PROTECT your information. Just build an insecure platform and have someone else do the tracking for...

I was at a bar a while back and there was a jew in the bar talking about RFID chips to all the girls and getting them excited. Saying how the newest ones are going to link with your brain to monitor and regulate serotonin, dopamine levels, and all sorts of other bodily functions. It'll alert...

I'm assuming you started something before a planet retrograded and then it went retrograde. If you started it before it's fine.

@Alec, no I totally completely understand where you were coming from. (: I welcome all constructive criticism. Nothing angered me. Thank you for your comment. @... I think it's a good habit to get in, I just want everyone to be as safe and healthy as possible. This was designed for beginners...

Attachments : <ol>RTRS EVERYDAY v2.pdf</ol><ol>RTRS EVERYDAY v2.docx</ol>Thank you for bringing this to my attention Alec, The JoS Protection Ritual is included, it is the 23rd ritual listed in the table of contents, however, the White and Black Awareness were not. They are included now...

Attachments : <ol>RTRS EVERYDAY.pdf</ol><ol>RTRS EVERYDAY.docx</ol>Yes, you read correct my Brothers and Sisters. Enclosed is 2 of the Following. Word Document and PDF Version of the "RTR's Everyday" File ALL RTR'S HELPFUL GUIDES FOR BEGINNERS INK SAVING FONTS ALL UNDER 1MB. EVERYTHING...

To compliment Fancy's statement, yes. I've had similar experiences, all my dumbass friends who think they're slick wasting 8 years of their lives studying psychology to "get into people's head" and I'm 666% more accurate and than they ever dreamed of being. Just Spiritual Work, that's all it is...

This is great and all. But it's strong MAY.... It's a bunch of coulds and ifs with no authentic verification as it states in the articles. Until you find conclusive evidence, this is a fart. Even if it was conclusive I doubt it would actually convince Xians for as stubborn as they are.... if...

By all means explore the idea, I've explored it for a long time and I've come to the conclusion that arguing with Xians is a ginormous waste of time with little return on investment. Even if you prove them wrong in numerous ways they'll rarely if ever accept the truth Xians are balloons with...

Please watch the video below, I wish that it brings you laughter and if you enjoy it, please consider sharing it online. It has the potentiality to educate people, raise awareness, in an entertaining manner while also giving our hardworking SS a good laugh. Cry 4 Me Goyim, A hilarious...

@Diamond Taylor (I don't care if this gets me banned) You're an idiot with a drug problem. It doesn't matter if you don't do it before meditation or not. It shouldn't be in your life at all. You're clearly unaware and unconcerned with the damaging spiritual effects of it. Yes, there are...

Wholeness not oneness. Think of it this way.... Do you have only one type of cell in your body? No. We have fat cells, brain cells, blood cells, etc. But there's only one of you right? Despite there being many different parts that make up the WHOLE. It's the same thing with cultures. Before...

I tried for a long time to Spiritually Advance while continually stoned. You're effectively tying a 2 Ton Cinder Block around your body and trying to run a track field. In my experience it "clogs" all your clairaudience and clairvoyance points while also being harmful to the 6th 7th and throat...

I recently made a new friend who faces a similar dilemma. She wants to share her art of the Gods to the world but she fears her wellbeing may be at stake as a result. I recommended that she convert the God's names into anagrams. For example Azazel and Lazazle While posting a disclaimer at...

Hey, I made some image and gifs for our online warfare that can be shared on any social media platform or be embedded in your online videos. You can find it all here: More descriptions in the thread itself http://josministries.prophpbb.com/topic19221.html

The kikes are successful because they spiritually cursed humanity continuously for over a millennium. They used their craftiness to rob from other cultures that are far superior to them which is how they attained their intelligence, they never made anything of their own nor do they have anything...

It doesn't look like a particular kind of language but it closely resembles English. Look directly to the right of the stone above the Baphomet's head. I would argue the writing is trying to spell "Jew" then if you follow the writing clockwise around the ring it vertically flips and mirrors the...

The Standard Aura of Protection is not an end all Solution, the enemy will do anything to attack you...Whether it's in your dreams, or little things like confusing you or psychically trying to manipulate you. They will take the time to understand your weaknesses and strengths. Consider the...

I totally understand where you're coming from What I learned is, don't be discouraged if you don't flip the switch in an entire day. Just keep trying. I've found it helps if you start on a Planetary Day and Time most beneficial to the schedule you wish to uphold. As long as you continue to...

It wouldn't matter if it was pink with polka dots and unicorns it's a tool and despite whatever appearance it takes it doesn't alter the effectiveness. Satan understands, He knows there aren't any tools today designed to fit his themes but he also understands if that's a tool you'd prefer to...

You know.... Your 2 post then ban argument is solid but, you reacting with an immature tone and delivering insults voids your argument. If you truly know your actions and are choosing to standby them there's no reason you should behaving in such way.....Unless of course you're not being totally...

54 is totally acceptable! If you feel overwhelmed with energy politely ask your GD to take the energy away from you or send the excess energy to Satan and Lillith. If the Moon is growing towards a Full Moon it's waxing and when the moon is going from Full to New or Light to Darkness, it's waning.

A flame is a flame, you can even use a lighter if you must. Birthday candles will suffice.

You don't need to fully see anything, even if it's just a split second flash....The Visualization is working. You could try practice staring at Sigils again. But always make sure you're aura and chakras are totally and completely clean. It does help. On regards to focusing.... (Sorry for...

It doesn't matter where you are physically/spiritually there are no prerequisites for the Dedication Ritual. It's your choice if you want indulge in mind altering substances, be aware that it will hinder your spiritual advancement and leave you open to psychic attacks. Fasting is completely...

Yes indeed! I couldn't project at first and could barely visualize. I drew my astral temple on paper first and wrote a list of what I wanted inside. It really does make it how you wish it to be perceived down to the last detail! As you become more advanced your Astral Temple will become more...

Don't attempt to raise it if you don't know for sure if you have any blockages. Fully Open Your Chakras, Clean and Protect Your Aura and Chakras Tune Your Chakras thru vibration. You could recite Enochian key. You can try the Single or Twin Serpent Meditations. But this isn't something you...

Aldric, you bring up the most important point of all. "NEVER SHOW YOUR FACE ONLINE." Certain previous members of JoS and other people who oppose the (((global authority))) have been turned inside out for showing their face online. It's the easiest way to get cursed and spiritually attacked...

It's about 29 years. Some astrologers here have mentioned once you reach your 29th birthday it can sometimes be the worst time of your life so you gotta do Saturn workings Saturn stays in a sign a little under 3 years.

If you were expecting a video and a song I deeply apologize.....That is not the case here....This is just for anyone who wants a chuckle in their day Back during the election I was writing lyrics for a song, I honestly would have written a full song but I have no instruments and I don't...

Remember, everything on the internet is recorded and filed. EVERYTHING Down to the specs of your computer to the IP address that literally tells them your address it's really, really, really, really, REALLY, hard to stay ENTIRELY anonymous on the internet. If you wanna go the YouTube route...

This is so fucking sickening.....This fucking world where doctors produce diseases and try not to cure a patient cause that's a customer lost. Excuse my language but I find this infuriating to a degree. I will do my best to share.

In a work environment you should reply "Sir/Mam I'm not allowed to discuss religion or politics during work hours, company policy." In a normal environment reply: "You can leave now." or "I have my beliefs, you have yours. Please respect my privacy. I'm not interested."  don't be mean or...

Do whatever feels best for you. I recommend trying to time your masturbation times with the planetary hours during the hour of the Sun or Jupiter. I've masturbated during every hour and produced different results each. With Sun and Energy producing the most energy. Through my experience.... I...

You're free to leave whenever you want Luis. There is no reverse ritual.Don't focus on the Truth or be apart of the groups anymore, simple as that. Goodbye.

Lydia, words cannot describe your level of awesomeness. *gives standing ovation*

@Adarsh Daba. What you're witnessing is photographic tricks, and After Effects. This is nothing special.

I was helping my friend with an event he was hosting a short time ago, I was managing the ticket counter. It was a dual sponsor event so I was working with someone else who just happened to be jewish. One of her older lady friends approached the counter, they greeted, talked and she was with her...

“Life is a mirror: if you frown at it, it frowns back; if you smile, it returns the greeting.” William Makepeace Thackery   Life is what you make of it, there's your answer.

Very nicely done, would it be acceptable if I used this music for a video?

Yeah honestly, if I had a photo enlarger, a bucket of silver bromine, and a big long tarp like that I could honestly replicate it. What I mentioned above are all photographic darkroom supplies, and silver bromine is a very light sensitive substance that is used for film. If someone has ever...

Dude, that's almost every job. I've had about 20 jobs in my life over the course of about 8 years and that's the same everywhere. From corporate to small businesses, you're expendable. If you're not willing to bend over backwards and kiss some serious ass, throw away your will and turn into a...

What piece are you speaking of specifically? I mean there was war during that time. It's hard to provide a proper critique without a piece to reference

Don't take this the wrong way dude but I don't think this is classified. You can literally transfer the PDF into Photoshop and adjust the exposure settings to make the "blacked out" parts legible. Like, someone just took a brush tool put the opacity at like 90% and highlighted over it. There...

Awesome Video Egon, Hats off to you for releasing it as soon as you did, and with high quality as well. It covers every angle and addresses everything while providing a clean, professional, rebuttal. If for any reason she does respond to the video, consider that as the highest compliment you...

Draw one of Father's many sigils on a piece of a paper: Satan  Construct a Pendulum: Using a Pendulum for Divination, Spirit Contact and Answering Questions Hang the Pendulum over the drawing and begin asking questions. Things to keep in mind..... 1. Whenever I contact Father with a...

Think of the greys as the autonomous robots from the Terminator. Programmed to kill, not feel, and built for the sole purpose to wipe everything out of existence. That's simply who they are and what they represent. If peace  were possible it would have been achieved centuries ago. You can...

http://i.imgur.com/HthhbLq.jpg Today my friend informed me of a film festival that was airing a documentary about the humorous side of the holohoax. No kidding. So we went and viewed it. This is a brief overview of the documentary. A jewish documentary 85 minutes in length Directed by (((Ferne...

Oh yes, let's feel bad for the migrants that rape endless amounts of women while impregnating them. Oh yes, let's feel bad for the migrants who pop their life raft boats so ships will be forced to rescue them due to International Waters Law. Oh yes, let's feel bad for actual gentiles trying to...

If you do decide to do the dedication, remember, if for whatever reason you're not entirely satisfied you can leave anytime you want. First and Last name is fine unless you feel like writing your entire name.

I was genuinely curious about the website, and nowhere does it mention 100 dollars. Even if you type in jerusalem U 100 dollars in google nothing comes up with a direct link. I think what they're trying to achieve is, the money acts a carrot for the goyim, but since there's no clear direction...

I have only one friend. For the entire reason that, that individual is the only one that sees the same way as me with the current world. They're not a romantic partner either. It's much simpler and easier this way for me. Aligning yourself with The Truth require sacrifices at times. This is for...

Hooded Cobra made a comment about this a while back. Covens are not the most important thing we could be doing as of now. So to speak you don't wanna put all your eggs in one basket. If you're out in the open doing things regarded as "evil" no matter how secretive it is. It could go bad. It's...

Make your Astral Senses are fully opened and empowered. It's very possible that your partner has made contact with you and you were not aware of it. When I asked for a Succubus, it took about a week and all I asked for was someone to provide companionship cause I was lonely. So give it time...

Quite the Elegant Post Allison, Well Said. I have noticed quite the influx of infiltrators recently. Whether they're blatantly being offensive or asking obnoxious questions, they're trying to upset the tidal wave that's being made before them. But it's pointless. Once the wave creeps closer...

It looks like a mix of Hebrew and Greek to make gibberish, I see the Hebrew letters hay and vav with the greek symbol Omega as well. It can be seriously impossible to find a Pentagram without a circle around it or some form of hebrew scribbled across or all over it. The Gods understand...

Something I tend to do, since usually there is an enemy over my back trying to influence me, especially when I'm doing RTR's. After building a STRONG aura of protection, I affirm to myself a couple of times "I am programming my powerful of protection to block all communications from...

The most effective solution I can suggest to you is you can never go in guns blazing. You have to slowly scratch the surface, depending on how deeply programmed the subject is you can't fully expose them to the light immediately. Here's a metaphor for you, near similar to Plato's allegory of...

Hey PB! :P A few things I'd like to recommend. First..... I'd say thoroughly clean your aura and chakras then try tuning your chakras http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... aning.html http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... uning.html You could also try using Runes..... Uruz for...

As I've told others before. Satan doesn't expect anything from us, now this could be interpreted in the wrong way but let me explain. If you want to sit around all day watching tv, funny youtube videos, licking a lollipop and wearing a diaper while you gaze into the clouds then by all means...

Attachments : <ol>DBZHypothesis.pdf</ol>I made the "5 Uses of Symbolism You Missed in DBZ" if that's what you're referring too. If so, I'm flattered you remember. Thank you very much :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWEuBJs4DaM (I also attached the PDF version if you're interested in reading...

A big problem with todays world due to the overall lack of spiritual awareness (feminine) and the increased focused on logical thinking (masculine) everyone wants proof for everything all the time. I totally understand where you're coming from. What I suggest.....Study History, The True...

It's symbolism to signify jews, or jewish influence. Hence the 6 parentheses, one of the poo's favorite number. I believe it started with us, but ironically enough actual jews are using it on their social media profiles to signify themselves. Inadvertently revealing who they really are...

Attachments : <ol>RTR Print Outs.zip</ol>Satanic Ladies and Satanic Gentlemen, These are the Reverse Torah Rituals in 13 Convenient Printouts. - THESE PRINTOUTS ARE DESIGNED TO BE MINIMAL     To save ink and save paper. - The typeface itself is designed to reduce ink     Some places will...

You know what? I'm going to print this out and put it on my refrigerator so I have a nice good laugh every morning before I pour myself a big glass of orange juice. LOL This makes me day so much by the way, you left Satan's name intact in the first paragraph. I'll take that as symbolism as...

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When you have sex with someone that associates themselves with Xian programming or love of jews, even if you have the slightest feelings for them you're literally connecting your energies with them. It cannot be empowering It will not "destroy" or cause the church any trouble, at least not...

Artanis, you better provide some proof before making empty statements. Who exactly quoted that? This war is not done so until you win you really should not stop. ESPECIALLY SINCE SUPPOSEDLY That fucking coon monkey jew fucktardbama apparently got away with giving the internet away: U.S. Sen...

Brother, Sisters, Ave Satanas I will make this as brief as possible..... The 2nd Presidential Debate occurs October 9th at 6PM( during a void of course moon) I made a short and simple video to try to educate individuals with end result hopefully waking mass people up. Since everyone is so...

Fellow Spiritual Satanists, Everyone in the United States of America is focused on the debate. On social media, in everyday life, on the streets everywhere. It's a topic everyone is willing place importance on. I see this is as a golden opportunity to inform people of the current situation...

Attachments : <ol>SAMUEL KING white.jpg</ol><ol>Hitler Cosplay.jpg</ol><ol>A Symbol for the Future.png</ol>Brothers, Sisters,  Ave Satanas. It has occurred to me, that we have the opportunity to use the jewish media and election against itself. The First Presidential Debate has occurred...

En Taro Adun Artanis, I usually only ever wait 5 minutes between a RTR Mainly because I try to do them within in the span of the Hour of Saturn or Mars. I don't really understand what you mean by "wait for the energies to recover" I clean my aura after I'm done with the RTR then raise my...

Consider the following, 1. (Possibly the biggest reason as to why this is fake) Why is everything in the camera English but there's Korean writing in the top right corner of the video? 2. This is a very simple editing trick. You shoot 2 takes, one of the cyclist in the road, another with the...

It's not only DNA, it's their souls. Many influential jooish Rabbi have been quoted saying jews have different souls than non jews. There's a video in the JoS library where a jew admits jews are from outer space. jews are a race entirely different from Our Own. Once you get familiarized...

MARCH FORWARD BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!! Think of this from a Strategic Standpoint... We can cripple one of their most major sources of power while poisoning them in the process! Let's make such an impact that it stays in effect for the next couple of years. Clean Your Aura! Raise Your...

Don't even give them the satisfaction of a reaction. 1. They're not worth it. 2. It's not worth your time. Anyone who opposes Our Father will get their "due process" Like Bruce Lee Said "Be like water my friend" Just move with the flow, you can beat water vigorously, but it does nothing...

You wanna know why I know I'm not being deceived? As Spiritual Satanists, one is free to do whatever they please. They are allowed to follow the dictates of their own nature. So if you wanna sit around jacking off, watching tv, doing nothing, you can do that, you can do whatever you want. No...

Everything you need to know is in Satan's Library. Try finding 66 Questions about the Holocaust, Exposing the Holocaust in the Library. http://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm You gotta ask yourself if the holocaust happened why did Hitler enact the Haavara agreement? A treaty that allowed jews to...

Thank you very much for all your kind words friends. It inspires to make more, but I feel the most effective method for attacking is pure RTR's but I still yearn for an artistic movement to help save the world. But like my last video, JewTube fucks with the numbers and overall controls who sees...

Brothers, Sisters, Ave Satanas! I have a new video for our online warfare: 55 Fun Facts About Jews, I want the video to appear to be innocent, while being revealing at the same time. Please take the time to watch my video, link below. AND if you have 4 minutes to spare please read the section...

If there's one thing joos do is try to bury evidence. Seriously, there a lot of stories in Satan's Library where the joos have removed articles from their own publications cause they realized the error of their stupidity. Hell, JoS has even fallen victim to it, they take the site down and our...

That date holds no significance, the Moon will be in Pisces that day. <font>Moon in Pisces gives empathy, but is not stable. Avoid waning and void moons, try to perform these kind of workings during a waxing or full moon. http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... dding.html   Doing a Venus...

PacifistGoat666 When I dedicated myself, I still smoked and thought it was fine. It really wasn't. all I can say is, smoking marijuana while trying to advance yourself spiritually is practically the equivalent of tying a 2 Ton Stone around your body and trying to move it everyday. As opposed to...

Well first off, Hitler has never been on record stating "kill the jews" and no Nazis have ever killed jews, they simply excluded them from Germany and the ones that didn't want to leave were placed in camps, the jews that did die in the camps were from Typhus. A disease that was caused by lice...

Well consider this everyone, even the Vatican themselves have endorsed Pokemon claiming nothing morally wrong can come of it. Pokemon & Religion - Did You Know Gaming? Feat. Jimmy Whetzel   And even if the stops change over time so what, how many new stops can you have until you have to go...

I need to strengthen my Solar Chakra and would like to perform the Sun Square when Sun arrives in Leo, But should I avoid starting the Sun Square if I was born with Saturn Retrograde, while Saturn is in Retrograde? Should I wait until Saturn is out of Retrograde? Please and thank you, HAIL...

No, it's your choice whether or not you want to do it. Everyone is allowed to follow the dictates of their own nature. I don't know what topic you're talking about, but it is not bad to do it everyday, twice a day or whatever amount your body needs, we're all individual. Lastly, we're not a...

Instagram video by Jul 8, 2016 at 6:57pm UTC   In regards to the recent Dallas shootings, a CNN reporter said the phrase "we don't know how many ACTORS are involved" That's just not a word you bring up when talking about a shooting between citizens and officers, like that's not an excusable...

Attachments : <ol>PUPPY.jpg</ol><ol>JOS NEW MEMBER GUIDE .png</ol>Ave Satanas, With new members joining in everyday, I wanted to create something that will ease the starting process for new members. I've designed a newcomer info graphic, mostly inspired by the recent Starting Guide for New...

Hi, it was my understanding that Saturn will be in Retrograde soon, I'm wondering if your Ascendent sign's ruling planet is Saturn does that affect you in anyway and if so how? Please and thank you. HAIL SATAN!

If you're interested in high realism figure drawing, I've tried many different things over the years (photos, tracing, life drawing etc.) The only thing that has truly heightened my ability was studying anatomy, and myology (study of muscles) When you learn all the parts that make up the outer...

I've investigated the subject myself, the advice I can offer is this.... Make sure your clairaudience is fully open and active, fully seeing out of your Third Eye helps.That's my own experience, I may be wrong. I've never had relations with a demoness, but I've tried. But read this webpage...

The timing could not have been anymore perfect! Seriously the United Nations elected Isreal as the Chairman o the World Body's Legal Comittee for the first time in history of isreali occupation. Bet you anything that has to do with JOS being down. RESTORE COMMUNICATIONS BROTHERS AND SISTERS...

Attachments : <ol>Toodles.png</ol>I looked everywhere and couldn't find the restoring communications ritual. So I went on YouTube and scrounged up the info myself in case anyone needs it cause we really need to this ritual. I named this file that way purposely for safety purposes. I'd rather...

Chapter II of the Al Jilwah "I do not allow friendly association with other people..." If you do that then you're effectively no better than the xian's who use brainwashing methods to collect and maintain their followers. Look, I know your pain and I know it very well. The only thing you can...

New York Bans Boycotting Israel They clearly broke the first amendment..... THIS IS ENOUGH! PLEASE!!!! BROTHERS AND SISTERS!!!! WE NEED TO START FIGHTING MORE!!!! I don't need to say anything else, except the future is in our hands and our hands alone. How much darker is this world going...

Brothers, Sisters, after months of continuous work I feel I have a created a video that will deliver the utmost of effectiveness on aiding our fight online. Please give it a watch and tell me what you think. It's a DBZ video, I chose this subject not only because it holds many great truths...

I don't know if anyone is aware of this but the Shell Oil Company has spilled more than 80,000 gallons of oil into the Gulf of Mexico about a week ago. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone wasn't aware of this cause I've searched all over Twitter and Online and it really looks like they're trying...

I have a question, I understand Friday is Venus Day and 13 is one of Our Father's numbers...But does it hold any significance? I mean of course it does, but in terms of meditating, extra power. giving thanks, honoring the Gods, etc. Lastly for a good portion of the day, it is a void of course...

I always try to send messages and try to help out but I never see my topics posted or my replies... I even made a spiritual information DBZ Wake Up PDF but that didn't even go through... https://copy.com/MgaGTcoKwqsE1n78 If no one wants me here please tell me. HAIL SATAN!

Brothers, Sisters, I've an informational paper for us that we can use. This PDF was designed to try to help educate while at the same time try wake the Goyim up. This entire PDF is based off one thee most famous anime series Dragonball Z. It's designed in a way that only subtly alludes to...