Dahaarkan said:
Rykard is an absolute gigachad. The serpent rebelling against the tyranny of false gods is the most holy and Satanic message, though the tragedy is that the character loses himself and abandons this most holy of rebellion against false gods in feral and animalistic hunger, and dishonors himself and his holy purpose of destroying false gods. People wrongly automatically associate any "gods" with our gods which is a wrong way to look at things.
The golden order is far closer to xianity than it is to Satanism, considering those who worship the erdtree are buried next to it's roots and their souls are devoured by it. The elden ring is the spell that binds the world to the "greater will" which is an astral parasite that devours the souls of those bound to it through the erdtree, which is a manifestation of it.
Rykard & Mohg are the real gigachads of this tale rebelling against this weak and pathetic false "god" that needs to enslave and devour the souls of those bound to it, and all the pathetic and worthless breed of false gods that serve it deserved what they got from the Godskin gigachads.
Mohg specifically is elevated and given power and freedom by the mother of "truth" and is also in open rebellion against the weak and worthless greater will that enslaves the entire world through the elden ring. The fact that the mother of "truth" bestows blood that is on fire may be a hint at how one's blood boils so to speak when one learns the truth about their oppression and enslavement.
It's actually a pretty nice fictional work, thanks for the recommendation.
Rebelling against "gods" is not anti-satanic by default. Depends on which gods we're talking about.
Well said!
Since my last post, I changed my mind greatly, through long and hard reasoning about the game's themes.
I too fell for the mistake of just associating the Golden Order and its gods to Satanism just because it was called "Golden" and because the Erdtree looked like Yggdrasil, but, what is xianity, if not a copycat and impostor? The Erdtree might very well be just that. Even xianity uses gold. Jews use a lot of gold, in their last names, just for instance.
Although I must say that it's impossible to trace a 1:1 comparison.
First of all, we know how xianity is an absolute evil for us. The game instead tries very well to not have any absolute evils, but always dwell in moral uncertainty.
Then, the Erdtree doesn't seem to straight up "devour" souls, but to rebirth them, it acts as some sort of reincarnating force.
This doesn't mean that it's good though, and here's why:
Remember the cursed Omens? I've heard that there are hints that their curse might happen when someone gets reborn from the Erdtree too many times, this could imply that the Erdtree's reincarnation takes a toll on souls. But this is mostly speculation.
One certain thing is that sexual drive has long been lost in the Lands Between (source: turtle neck item description), and there are certain sculpures in game where the Erdtree is depicted absorbing corpses from the roots and then rebirthing people from the branches, so this could mean that the Erdtree not only replaced Destined Death but also births, which is extremely anti-Satanic if you ask me (sexual drive is important).
To continue on why 1:1 associations don't work with Elden Ring, following this logic of the Golden Order being xians, the Greater Will would then be associated with the xian god, and Marika/Radagon with jewsus (you will even find Marika crucified, for the crime of shattering the Elden Ring).
But again, they don't seem to be absolute evil characters, especially Radagon, worst thing he's done was being a slave.
But it could still work.
What doesn't work really well, in my opinion, is how the Greater Will is said to be the responsible for creating order and divisions. Before everything, there was only "The Great One", and it was the Greater Will who shattered it, creating souls, births, etc. (source: Hyetta) while the Frenzied Flame and its chaos, opposite to the Greater Will and its order, wishes to melt everything back into "one" (the Lord of Chaos ending is basically End of Evangelion).
So, my problem is that the Greater Will canonically created souls, but he's more of a controlling father, whose vassal (and then vessel) we kill before achieving whatever ending, as (for reasons not really clear to us) the Elden Beast wants to stop us from becoming Elden Lord (even if you just want to repair the Elden Ring).
Man, I think I just realized that actually it makes a lot of sense for the Greater Will to be an abusive and controlling father, that's literally the xian god in the bible. By talking about how 1:1 associations don't work, I just realized they actually do, LMAO! My mistake comes from looking at the subject from a Satanist POV, anchored in real life truth, instead of drawing parallels with the bible.
There are still issues though--the Formless Mother and Mohg are depicted as evil forces in the game. Obsessed with blood, Mohg's spells are based on "hurting" the Formless Mother, creating a wound, from which Bloodflame drips out and he throws it at you. The Formless Mother is a masochist. Also, Mohg kidnapped his youngling half-brother and wants to marry him... Pedo-incestous stuff right here. And they surely did everything they could to associate him with the figure of the Devil in the bible... He has horns, dresses in black, has wings, uses a Trident, his reign is under the soil (like xian Hell), his palace even looks like the Satan's palace painting we have on the JoS website.
Rykard, even before turning into a mad man, let himself be DEVOURED by the God-Devouring Serpent. The unsettling ritual is shown in the game intro (the same game intro that shows the murder ritual against Godwyn). Unless there's some hidden allegories that I'm missing, a severed head being devoured by a snake as a communing ritual doesn't really feel Satanic.
The Greater Will, although, as explained, is pretty much the xian god, still looks like the minor evil. At least he created souls.
The Frenzied Flame wants to kill everyone and melt everything into the original blob.
The Formless Mother is a masochist cradling wounds with an obsession for blood.
The God of Rot is the Outer God of the Scarlet Rot, a disgusting disease that grows fungi and drives people crazy, to an animal-like state, where even cannibalism occurs.
The God-Devouring Serpent, while is in game considered a blasphemy by the Golden Order, in real life it might very be a blasphemy to us, as it's a serpent, our most sacred animal, doing horrific rituals.
The Fell God of the Fire Giants... actually, we know too little about him. He might have been good. The Fire Giants were exterminated by the Golden Order because with their Fire they posed a threat to the Erdtree.
Not much is known about the other Outer Gods...
The Dark Moon doesn't seem so bad, but Ranni (its vassal in the Age of Stards ending) is still behind the fearsome rite that created the soul-killing knives that murdered Godwyn, so I wouldn't be sure...
The Goddess of the Deathbirds isn't developed enough, but the Deathbirds absorb spirits to use them as weapons so it doesn't look bright either, not much better than whatever the Erdtree does.
I don't remember if there are other Gods in Elden Ring, I think these might be all of them.
As you can see, we are clearly missing a "good" God. They all look either evil or not developed enough upon. I'm only holding some hope for the Fell God of the Fire Giants, but Marika disposed of him.
This new way to see things, depict Marika in a very different way. Now I want to believe that she shattered the Elden Ring to rebel against the Greater Will. I mean, it is pretty obvious that she stopped being a jewsus slave as she herself stated that the days of blind faith were over, and that she would proceed to study the depths of the Golden Order. It's not even a theory, it's just canon.
As things stand in Elden Ring, with all these not-so-wonderful Outer Gods, the best solution seems to maybe be Goldmask's Age of Order ending, where it kind of seems like you remove the "fickleness of Gods, no better than men" (probably removing the Greater Will's influence, although it might be speculated that since we kill the Elden Beast, in any ending the Greater Will can go fuck himself). Notably, in the cutscene, the was-burning now-restored Erdtree starts to glow of a much stronger gold, this might signify that now the Erdtree is of TRUE spiritual Gold, while before it was nothing more than a scam.
Also, with the Mending Rune of Order, discovered and not created (like other mending runes) by Goldmask, when repairing the Elden Ring, appears as a binding circle around it when restoring it.
People with no spiritual knowledge thought that the circle around the Elden Ring meant protection for it, but I think that the opposite, the circle being a binding, makes much more sense.
Elden Ring's lore is huge, and to explore it in one post is impossible... It's already hard to explore it as it is, but we're doing an even harder job by trying to draw associations with our Satanic truth.
For a game that does its best to be as dubious and oblivious as possible.
To recap, my final opinion stays pretty much the same: Elden Ring is full of great parallels and theme, but there are many bad themes too, which I've explored. The gameplay is wonderful, still.
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