Disciplining Yourself - Mind To Body

[WiseDragon]

...That is any form of exercise done at the same intensity. There is a big drawback for your joints for "heavy weightlifting" which you will feel after a while. Yoga may counteract it, at the expense of advancement.

There are safer forms of exercises with the same benefits (and more) and much less of a joint drawback, especially if the joints are prepared carefully before. The issue is that most people in this day and age are too impatient. They should should be spending most of their training time, hours each week, working exclusively on their joints every day for 2 to 3 years, instead of jumping immediately into strength training.
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Do you have any scientific research to back up these claims?

 

[Fiery Pluto]

Me: "I have been working for 2 days straight, I feel tired, that's unacceptable"

Possibility of passing out:

Yes, but in my initial post I did not mean working for days without resting a single minute apart from sleeping and eating.

I meant working for days while still allowing yourself a certain amount of time off each day, like an hour. Including all kinds of study and learning activities in the work.

 

[Darkspirit]

I have always considered discipline to be the most important thing, whatever it is that someone is trying to achieve.

Anyway, I missed the writings on discipline and stressing the importance of discipline.

In this period I am working hard in this point, the discipline.

 

[wolfhammer922]

...Yoga...

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666

Incorporating Hatha yoga in to my gym sessions was definitely a game-changer. "Modern" (although I guess it's been this way for a while) bodybuilding with it's "enhancements" is a total abomination. I believe we should strive towards the aesthetics of Greek statues.

I definitely agree that people who struggle with keeping up with meditation programs or really any long-term goal, could benefit greatly from taking up a gym routine. The discipline definitely carries over in my experience, and if there's a park or open area on your way there, it's a great opportunity to get your morning meditations in.

Current bench press PR is 225

 

[EnkiUK56]

Amazing post! Many people need to hear this wisdom, including myself sometimes. It's life-giving advice.

A study of more than 12,500 women and men published in Medicine & Science in Sports & Exercise found that those who did any amount of strength training on a weekly basis had a 40 to 70 percent reduced risk of developing heart attack, stroke, or death related to heart disease compared with individuals who did no strength training no matter how much aerobic exercise they did.

That is any form of exercise done at the same intensity. There is a big drawback for your joints for "heavy weightlifting" which you will feel after a while. Yoga may counteract it, at the expense of advancement.

There are safer forms of exercises with the same benefits (and more) and much less of a joint drawback, especially if the joints are prepared carefully before. The issue is that most people in this day and age are too impatient. They should should be spending most of their training time, hours each week, working exclusively on their joints every day for 2 to 3 years, instead of jumping immediately into strength training.

This is especially important when you are a child as it builds strong foundations and habits for when you become an adult. Most people skip this step and go directly into strength training, doing long-term and semi-permanent damage to their joints. Then, when they are old and even middle-aged, get arthritis and other problem that could have been avoided by using their brains and avoid the carefree attitude of "it'll be fine".

Patience is also a virtue and a sign of maturity, that Saturn teaches us. He rules both. There are cycles to things and that's also why Saturn is lauded as an agricultural God in many civilisations, as is every ruler of the root chakra (i.e. Ninib/Ninurta in Mesopotamian religions). That's why he rules the element of earth.

This is not an attack against you. I should clarify that. I see many people advising weight lifting without talking about the risks, and without telling people they should prepare first.

Of course, joints are also negatively affected by the negative habits of today, such as sitting all day at a desk (or driving, doing tv/console based activities, Western toilets) and anything of a sedentary lifestyle, but that damage is much more limited in comparison to that of heavy weight-lifting.

This is brilliant advice pal

 

[88HungarianSatanicWarrior666]

I have always considered discipline to be the most important thing, whatever it is that someone is trying to achieve.

Anyway, I missed the writings on discipline and stressing the importance of discipline.

In this period I am working hard in this point, the discipline.

I very like this attitude and good to see your ambition!!

Anyway...

 

[Stormblood]

...That is any form of exercise done at the same intensity. There is a big drawback for your joints for "heavy weightlifting" which you will feel after a while. Yoga may counteract it, at the expense of advancement.

There are safer forms of exercises with the same benefits (and more) and much less of a joint drawback, especially if the joints are prepared carefully before. The issue is that most people in this day and age are too impatient. They should should be spending most of their training time, hours each week, working exclusively on their joints every day for 2 to 3 years, instead of jumping immediately into strength training.
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Do you have any scientific research to back up these claims?

Of the drawback of heavy weight-lifting for unprepared joints? Just look at the stats of joint issues such as arthritis in the athlete population, especially weightlifters. Specifically, what percentage has issues and what percentage doesn't.

Research to back up joint preparation before getting into heavy weight-lifting? None, because this is not convenient for big pharma to investigate. Otherwise, how can they sell you diclofenac and other painkillers? And also how is the "gym" industry going to make money? Start doing the breath of fire on a daily basis, and then directing the raised energy in your joints and programming it for the purpose of strengthening your joints. This is one basic thing you can do, among more physical things that creates a build up of energy in your joints to act as protection. Do it for at least 3 months, and see the difference (although you should notice something right away depending of your levels of energy control and sensitivity)

If you look at the training NS Germany had for their troops and for their SS, you'll see no emphasis on weightlifting. If you look at Ancient Greece and Rome, it's the same again. If you look at traditional Eastern martial arts, it will be the same again. Or even the troops of Alexander the Great, who even had something similar to a modern pommel horse, rather heavy weight-lifting. The heaviest thing they carried around was combat gear, and they trained in weapons which can be considered akin to light weight-lifting... but done properly instead of being movements that have little to nothing in common with real life. They didn't sit at a desk or on a sofa for hours a day, and didn't spend hours a day gaming and watching TV.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Me: "I have been working for 2 days straight, I feel tired, that's unacceptable"

Possibility of passing out:

Yes, but in my initial post I did not mean working for days without resting a single minute apart from sleeping and eating.

I meant working for days while still allowing yourself a certain amount of time off each day, like an hour. Including all kinds of study and learning activities in the work.

I know brother, I am just making a little exaggerated humor about my situation. Be careful however as still what you describe can be indeed quite tiring. I believe work shouldn't exceed 8 hours of people's days. Of course, nowadays, that is oftentimes very difficult to achieve. Hope it all goes well with you and you find your balance in the best way.

 

[WiseDragon]

Of the drawback of heavy weight-lifting for unprepared joints? Just look at the stats of joint issues such as arthritis in the athlete population, especially weightlifters. Specifically, what percentage has issues and what percentage doesn't.

I think one thing that should be considered here is the consumption of steroids.

It's a well known fact that non-natural lifters who gain massive amounts of muscle will develop all kinds of issues with their joints and bones, because the human body is just not designed to handle that kind of mass, it creates too much stress. The same happens with the organs, they're put under too much stress and they eventually collapse.

I think the fact that steroids allow you to develop the strength to lift huge weights, that a natural would never be able to lift, is also a possible cause of joint issues.

Another cause can also be wrong form. Many people lift with horrible form, ending up with all sorts of injuries and problems in the future. Ego lifting is extremely common.

Many studies actually show that strength training improves joint health, and I believe this to be true. I'll tell you why.

Let's put steroids aside completely, and let's only focus on natural lifters who train with patience and good form, like one is supposed to.

The average natural person that goes to the gym is just weak, so in no way he will be able to put his joints under incredible stress with small weights and good form. With time, as he progressively overloads, his joints will have all the time to adapt to the effort, and actually benefit from it.

Rest is extremely important for the joints as well. That's another reason why steroid users might have problems, because they never rest basically, and train 4 hours a day, 7 days a week!

This is the reason why I respectfully disagree with your advice of preparing your joints for years before training. In my opinion the first stages of the training itself are more than enough, and there is no way to prove (like you also said) that this 'preparation' is effective in any way.

All of this might make me look like a weightlifting fan but I'm actually not. I actually train calisthenics+weights. I think pure weightlifting is too focused on the aesthetics (leading to many psychological issues and non) and I don't think it's optimal for the human body, so I agree with you in a way. I don't like exercises like the deadlift as well.

Pure weightlifting is still a million times better than doing nothing tho, but it has to be done intelligently, and it's better to avoid certain types of lifts.

At the end of the day bodyweight training like calisthenics also involves the joints a lot and puts them under stress, but it's not bad in any way, it's actually good when done in a proper way.

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This is my take on it, at the end of the day everybody has a different opinion when it comes to things like this. There is no 100% certainty of anything, one is also required to take risks and see what happens sometimes. My best advice is to study these topics a lot, and to protect and enhance your physical body spiritually. Take care of it as much as you can.

Sorry if I went a little bit off topic HP. Cobra. Great sermon as usual.

 

[AFODO]

Me: "I have been working for 2 days straight, I feel tired, that's unacceptable"

Possibility of passing out:

Yes, but in my initial post I did not mean working for days without resting a single minute apart from sleeping and eating.

I meant working for days while still allowing yourself a certain amount of time off each day, like an hour. Including all kinds of study and learning activities in the work.

I know brother, I am just making a little exaggerated humor about my situation. Be careful however as still what you describe can be indeed quite tiring. I believe work shouldn't exceed 8 hours of people's days. Of course, nowadays, that is oftentimes very difficult to achieve. Hope it all goes well with you and you find your balance in the best way.

Priests can rest too, It won't end well if you overstrain yourself constantly as your joke tells.


8 hours of work, 8 hours of resting, 8 hours of having fun!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxXsiK6Xcr4

 

[Fiery Pluto]

I know brother, I am just making a little exaggerated humor about my situation. Be careful however as still what you describe can be indeed quite tiring. I believe work shouldn't exceed 8 hours of people's days. Of course, nowadays, that is oftentimes very difficult to achieve. Hope it all goes well with you and you find your balance in the best way.

Thank you for your thoughtfulness, Hp. You are amazing.

As your post says to be disciplined in the end you need to meditate. So I will invest in meditation at the expense of something else to make it the best it can be. Not in quantity, but in quality.

Oh and a little feedback. Satan's psalm is MIRACULAR.

 

[Lunar Mojito]

Thanks for your sermon, High Priest.

I have been struggling with becoming more disciplined, and getting out the vicious cycle of comfort-instant gratification; and after many attempts I beleive I finally found the approach that works for me.

I'd like to add my 2 cents regarding discipline, coming from my experience trying to achieve some goals: It is very effective to work long and complex goals into smaller time horizons, i.e. let's say the goal is to develop better eating habits, instead of using "i'm never gonna eat junk food again" say to yourself "i'm not gonna eat junk food today".

I think that small change works because the undisciplined mind still works in a very short term horizon, and throwing a big and ambitious goal like a permanent lifestyle change is more likely than not to fail (unless there is trauma involved). And the successful achievement of very short term goals helps the mind to get out of the instant gratification trap.

 

[Stormblood]

Of the drawback of heavy weight-lifting for unprepared joints? Just look at the stats of joint issues such as arthritis in the athlete population, especially weightlifters. Specifically, what percentage has issues and what percentage doesn't.

I think one thing that should be considered here is the consumption of steroids.

It's a well known fact that non-natural lifters who gain massive amounts of muscle will develop all kinds of issues with their joints and bones, because the human body is just not designed to handle that kind of mass, it creates too much stress. The same happens with the organs, they're put under too much stress and they eventually collapse.

I think the fact that steroids allow you to develop the strength to lift huge weights, that a natural would never be able to lift, is also a possible cause of joint issues.

Another cause can also be wrong form. Many people lift with horrible form, ending up with all sorts of injuries and problems in the future. Ego lifting is extremely common.

Many studies actually show that strength training improves joint health, and I believe this to be true. I'll tell you why.

Let's put steroids aside completely, and let's only focus on natural lifters who train with patience and good form, like one is supposed to.

The average natural person that goes to the gym is just weak, so in no way he will be able to put his joints under incredible stress with small weights and good form. With time, as he progressively overloads, his joints will have all the time to adapt to the effort, and actually benefit from it.

Rest is extremely important for the joints as well. That's another reason why steroid users might have problems, because they never rest basically, and train 4 hours a day, 7 days a week!

This is the reason why I respectfully disagree with your advice of preparing your joints for years before training. In my opinion the first stages of the training itself are more than enough, and there is no way to prove (like you also said) that this 'preparation' is effective in any way.

All of this might make me look like a weightlifting fan but I'm actually not. I actually train calisthenics+weights. I think pure weightlifting is too focused on the aesthetics (leading to many psychological issues and non) and I don't think it's optimal for the human body, so I agree with you in a way. I don't like exercises like the deadlift as well.

Pure weightlifting is still a million times better than doing nothing tho, but it has to be done intelligently, and it's better to avoid certain types of lifts.

At the end of the day bodyweight training like calisthenics also involves the joints a lot and puts them under stress, but it's not bad in any way, it's actually good when done in a proper way.

----

This is my take on it, at the end of the day everybody has a different opinion when it comes to things like this. There is no 100% certainty of anything, one is also required to take risks and see what happens sometimes. My best advice is to study these topics a lot, and to protect and enhance your physical body spiritually. Take care of it as much as you can.

Sorry if I went a little bit off topic HP. Cobra. Great sermon as usual.

I think they should actually study other forms of training more in-depth too instead of over-focusing on weight-lifting and body-building in their studies. And also things like joint prep.

The spiritual things will definitely be studied once spirituality is public. Advanced energy use to create protective layers for your joints, bones and to strengthen your bone marrow as well. They should be studied. Other forms of training will also be studied, as the enemy has monopolised the training industry for too far mainly with weightlifting and bodybuilding.

In my experience, I can see and feel certain things spiritually even from people who use correct form and don't overtrain, which is a minority. And I also know the effect of certain forms of joint prep and the benefits which are unparalleled, as well as those of other forms of training. Obviously, experience like this is not what you are looking for, as you are looking for studies. And it will be decades before those studies are actually picked up by someone. There are very few studies about sound and light therapy.

 

[Darkspirit]

I very like this attitude and good to see your ambition!!

Anyway...

I didn't mean to ask for help, but help is always appreciated, thanks.

 

[muriceias]

Considering heart and mind, I had to discipline my mind. I was thinking too much and unnecessarily. It took over recently and I experienced something very unpleasant where I was emotionally stupid. I was deceived by little appearences. I needed to experience that to put my mind on place. I felt so bad that manifested on my body. I felt lack of appetite and a kind of ulcer.

When the mind is dominant, I get obssessed with the time and place, what I am seeing or thinking, where I am going or what I have to do. An enemy could say "good morning" with a fake smile and I wouldnt notice his intentions.

When my mind is balanced however, I can see both separatedly, what I see with my eyes and what I feel with my heart.

 

[Sakra]

Basically, yes.

All meaningful progress will certainly for a while feel quite uncomfortable. And yes one might look like this person in the pic here for a while, yet after one succeeds, peace and strength will set in.

I think it can also be comparable to trying to cycle a bike on a high gear, but once you get it going, it becomes almost effortless.

It's basically just keeping at it and building momentum. Then they're pretty much part of our lives.

 

[Epiphany]

All forms of discipline, because of the structure of the soul, begin first in the mind. It is in your mind that you will understand the needs to discipline yourself, to become determined, to go to the gym, or to meditate.

In this mental state, because the "mind" is closer to your higher soul, it's when the thoughts to do the good things will appear.

There of course, it's also the place where most of these thoughts can be killed: As they are going towards becoming a reality.

When we move past the adobe of thoughts and the awareness of what we must be doing, then, we have to move onward and do certain actions to make things a reality.

Most of this manifests through your body, especially where certain actions are needed to manifest certain desires or thoughts you had. As the thoughts in this way try to express their own existence on the lower domains, you have to face certain things you must do in these domains.

In other words, just by thinking you went to the gym, you didn't really go. You must get your body up and go there.

One is the heart and your emotions, and then you are confronted with your material body and it's urges, needs, desires, and overall condition, which can help you or impede you in your tasks.

People with whom we have worked with, but also on the forum, I tend to tell everyone to start exercising, or to do Yoga. That's because this very primary lesson exists to impose an order in your mind and body connection, without which, each can try to go their own way.

The more these are not in synchronicity, the more you will have obvious problems manifesting certain things in your life. A very simple example is that you will maybe want to do your university or semester or job work, and your body might suddenly go into lethargy or other things.

Even if it's the least you can do, and walk or a similar thing - it all depends on where you are in fitness level. You don't need to become a fitness freak to learn to instill this willpower in your body movement to start making yourself obey your mind.

Why do I say that? Because this starts to condition your body to obey your mind. For the most people, the first time in their life is where this happens at all. Certain demanding jobs can instill this by default on you physically or mentally [which is very good for your development] but not everyone here is a US Navy Seal, nor a Martial Artist.

The body and it's urges, in a beginner state of integration of yourself, will not be on the correct place. In fact, the body will essentially try to resist certain things, the more undisciplined it is.

Yes it's absolutely normal you get dizzy, suddenly hungry, or whatever when you meditate and you are very new, as the body in general might be instructed to exist in a very undisciplined manner, trying to impose it's rule constantly over your mind.

Depending on your personality and what you need or what things you are facing now, an example if one is very much food oriented, would be that when one tries to meditate or other things, you will notice that you know that you must diet, but you will both want [desire - heart] to open the fridge, and also sometimes lust after the food you want to eat [physical and material inclination].

Things like this are normal. Nothing bad on your behalf. It's the body trying to carry certain tasks. Through habituating differently, it will have other and more positively inclined reactions to help you instead of act in this manner. That's where a healthier lifestyle comes in. It teaches you parts of the greater thing that we call discipline.

So your mind is isolated and these two other forces can win against you. Meditation, largely, is integration into the system into a functioning whole, instead of it being all over the place. This is the path towards the power of the will, or "mind over matter".

The idea is to create over time in your path to better self awareness and improvement, a relationship between all of these. Meditation is the bridge, and the 8 Fold path is how you build these paths of interconnection.

Lastly, those of you who come from a fitness, martial arts, or athletic background, you have already fortified the body. In that case, the mind might be lacking resolution and need to be corrected through hypnosis and the exercise of willpower.

As one can understand from the above post, sometimes we have to go top down [mind -> body] and at other times, down up [body -> mind]. Where one needs the necessary work will highlight itself evidently by what you encounter as obstacles in your path and possibilities.

Meditation except of empowerment, is exactly this type of union where your soul works properly. That is symbolized by the Chariot card of the Tarot, where the black and white sphinxes are rode by the leader [symbolism of Sun God or King there, you when you have commanded these].

Then, you are establishing a form of self mastery, which can get you ahead in your life and in the attainment of your goals, leading yourself into the path of success.

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666

HP, I feel that I have a strong intuition. But I have a hard time acting according to it. I sense things but I tend not to allow this to influence my decisions, which can cause things to play out poorly. Then I overcorrect and listen to emotions(which also run strong and in the heat of the moment can be hard to differentiate from intuition) which can also be ruinous.

Do you have any advice for properly integrating with one's intuition?

 

[korpvce]

with fitness what do you think about taking steroids? Does atrophy of the nuts cause atrophy of the root chakra?

 

[Stormblood]

with fitness what do you think about taking steroids?

It's best to increase your natural levels of testosterone through a healthy diet, healthy training plan, and empowering your root chakra and your sacral chakra with affirmations targeted to that goal. Taking steroids not only impairs your natural testosterone production and does long-term damage to the aforementioned chakras (not to mention various aspects of your sexuality and soul), but it will also lead to premature ageing and put big, unnecessary obstacles in the true goal of Spiritual Satanism and humanity at large, which is spiritually refining yourself into a God.

An example of something that naturally increases your testosterone levels is sprinting and speedwork in general, as well as HIIT. Even if you were to sprint on a mostly useless and boring device like a stationary bike, this result would be accomplished. Journals you can look at for evidence:

:arrow: Journal of Strength and Conditioning Research
:arrow: Journal of Endocrinological Investigation

What do you need steroids for anyway? Size doesn't equal strength. There are plenty super-strong athletes who are less muscular than their weaker counterparts in lifting. For example, gymnasts. If the issue is performance, you can incorporate yoga and/or qigong in your training regimen and that will elevate your performance above non-spiritual fitness people.

 

[korpvce]

with fitness what do you think about taking steroids? Does atrophy of the nuts cause atrophy of the root chakra?

anyone have an answer or any intuition on this?? ive taken test and deca for a long timemy nuts pretty much nonexistent.
This would effect sacral and root chakra yes? my intuition tells me yes just looking for confirmation

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

with fitness what do you think about taking steroids? Does atrophy of the nuts cause atrophy of the root chakra?

anyone have an answer or any intuition on this?? ive taken test and deca for a long timemy nuts pretty much nonexistent.
This would effect sacral and root chakra yes? my intuition tells me yes just looking for confirmation

Actually yes, but is this situation permanent? Based on your description, the situation seems to be quite progressed.

I am not versed to answer about steroid abuse. Some other brother or sister must chime in who is an expert.

You chakras exist and everything and they are okay when it comes to the Astral body, but the situation is what has occurred in your material body and what is reversible.

 

[vrinkstay]

I have often noticed that after long periods of mental discipline, the inferior mind returns to thoughts of doubt to prevent you from moving forward.

 

[vrinkstay]

Do you have any advice for properly integrating with one's intuition?
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