The art of Glamour - detrimental, or useful?

[Mastermind]

Is your mom also using hormone replacement therapy to help with postmenopause? Mine is, and I wondered if that also contributed to her looking so young and healthy for her age. She says she feels a lot more energetic thanks to it too.

Mine doesn't. Perhaps it has to do with good genes or her doing sports every day or not using any medicine.
She puts absolutely nothing except water on her face. Not even soap.
Maybe it has to do with the food we eat. We buy very little from the store and buy almost everything directly from farmers.
I also look much younger than I am. I don't use fluoridated toothpaste nor do I drink fluoridated water and I still have many baby/milk teeth.
That's my anecdotal evidence.

 

[Mastermind]

You still have baby teeth? Are you a teenager or an adult? Doesn't that look a bit weird if you're an adult? Not that I'm judging you.
I've read that some people who are born without adult teeth, have their baby teeth removed and replaced with implants as an adult so they can look more normal. I hope your teeth do properly come out after all, unless you like them as they are anyway.

I'm well into adulthood and my baby teeth are strong, straight and healthy. I was advised against removing them by a dentist.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

You still have baby teeth? Are you a teenager or an adult? Doesn't that look a bit weird if you're an adult? Not that I'm judging you.
I've read that some people who are born without adult teeth, have their baby teeth removed and replaced with implants as an adult so they can look more normal. I hope your teeth do properly come out after all, unless you like them as they are anyway.

I'm well into adulthood and my baby teeth are strong, straight and healthy. I was advised against removing them by a dentist.

Have you got a double row of teeth then?

I had a baby tooth molar on top of my normal molar. At some point I bit it in half (had already been like that for a year). So they took it out.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

You still have baby teeth? Are you a teenager or an adult? Doesn't that look a bit weird if you're an adult? Not that I'm judging you.
I've read that some people who are born without adult teeth, have their baby teeth removed and replaced with implants as an adult so they can look more normal. I hope your teeth do properly come out after all, unless you like them as they are anyway.

I'm well into adulthood and my baby teeth are strong, straight and healthy. I was advised against removing them by a dentist.

They didn’t just get loose and come out on their own? That’s what’s supposed to happen. Unless you’re talking about molars or something else.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

This was despite me being a boy back then.

There’s no “back then” you are still a boy.

I get quite the opposite when it's brought up in person (although that's quite rare). Like, "when it said 'transgender' in the file, I was expecting a man, not such a pretty woman!" :lol:

People on the internet have all these preconceptions and cling to stereotypes, but it all just melts down in an instant when it comes to a real interaction. It made me realise that I've been overthinking things a lot. I should just go with the flow like everyone else, accept the way I am even if strangers on the internet complain that it makes no sense, and enjoy my life to the fullest. I have to move on.

No need to sweat the details, as they're prone to change anyway. I've already seen so much change right before my very eyes, after all; I've seen my childhood dreams come true, and now I'll make my dreams as an adult come true as well.

GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE. That’s how all of your responses about this topic can be summarized. Guys that outwardly appear as women are not a new phenomenon there’s no need to act like it is and as if there is not a name for it.

 

[Soul Wings]

I might be a bit off topic here, but it's somewhat relevant at least.
After some internal debate, I figured I'd let you know about something. I'm not super keen on talking about it but everyone is being such an asshole about it. I read your post about being a boy, Outlaw quoting you, and ended up seeing another thread of yours called "a woman's body". These guys (yes, mostly men) don't know what it's like to question their own gender, they are frightened or disturbed by it in many different ways, so they are responding in a way that is, to me, and probably you, useless.

If you are interested, I'm going to go into it. All good if you don't want to read about it as I understand you've been bombarded with responses recently. No harm done there.

After I read your thread, I want you to know I have been through gender identity issues myself. I did not want to respond in there (reading the responses made me SO uncomfortable and didn't want the attention over it) so I will respond here. ( I have not even told my boyfriend some of what I'm going to tell you here, btw.) Well, anyway. I had a stage in my life where I wondered if I was a man. I was having dreams about having sex with men as a (feminine) man, having sex with a woman as a (masculine) man, (despite considering myself straight). I had even cross-dressed, putting on several bras to flatten my chest and makeup to make my face look more masculine (adding a beard, contouring... to paint a mental picture, I looked like metalhead jesus, LOL). Looking in the mirror felt like looking at a completely different person. I had always been sadistic/dominant, I had suppressed it for so long because many men turned me away because of it, so I started to wonder, in a sense, if my "dick was too big". There was also the shame of constant harassment, men literally (trying to) physically block my way as I was trying to walk somewhere, wishing away my breasts and vagina because at the time I felt like "that's all men want" "that's all my value as a woman in life" "I have to use this to get what I want" etc. Not to mention literally being my own fucking father in life. It got to the point where I asked for help on forums and I had some really interesting advice.

Someone said to me,
"This is not about "do I feel like a man"? Not do you feel masculine, not do you feel dominant, women are completely entitled to feel either. "ARE YOU A MAN?""

So I asked myself that question seriously, and it took me a while to find an answer. A lot of the trauma of my life fucked up my gender identity so much. I would lie awake and think about it. I feel like I've understated it here but it really did me in. Fuck it, I was FUCKED UP MAN! But, in the end... truly, who says I can't live my life the way I've been living it, fully, without shame? Who says there aren't respectful guys out there who would love to have me, completely the way I am now? Things are so complicated in society but sometimes there is such simple answers. I can actually be a woman and have what I want, need, and be accepted. People like us, and the real reasons why these things are happening, are never represented in media. Knowing what I know now, I believe the jews truly want us to be confused about our gender, because it gets in the way of everything completely, and sometimes people permanently change themselves in ways they regret.

Personally, I am not going to comment on your situation, because that's something you have to conclude and answer to yourself, for yourself. But I want you to know that you are not alone and if you ever need somebody with actual experience of these issues to talk about it with, I'm here.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

...

Part of the reason my replies to Meteor on that subject were particularly harsh is because I know a few "behind the scenes" things that are better left unsaid, but I had to factor these into my replies to them on that subject.

Not to mention, as someone on my understanding, it is not difficult to understand where gender confusion leads to, and why it exists, and how falling into that abyss isn't the answer for people struggling with those sorts of things.

The way you came to self realization and overcame your own situation is the right way to go about it.

You realized you do not have to pretend to be anyone, or be confused about anything, refusing to let the treatment you received from others as well as your struggles with life due to an absent father rule over your mind and dictate what sort of woman you can or cannot be.

Understanding and accepting the reality of your self is the first major step in this, no matter how much one may dislike the truth in this regard.

Ask and answer the question: "What kind of woman am I?" Rather than ask "Am I a woman or am I a man? Why am I even a woman if I hate it so much? What point is there to it to be something I dislike?" Etc.

Understand you are born the gender that you are. Then understand what this means for you, understand what kind of person pertaining to that Gender is you.

When you find yourself and step into your own, all confusion disappears and nothing else in the world can really mess with your self realization any longer.

Treatment of others or circumstances one finds themselves in can no longer dictate what you think you are or aren't, as you know fully what and who you are without any confusion present.

Finally this leads to true liberation and freedom in ones expression and also true unity with ones being that is required to reach higher advancement.

 

[HPS Lydia]

My boss on my last job we just finished up was pretty cool and always made jokes. One of them was the women in the kitchen joke which he knew i knew was all in good fun. Another one is the classic "make me a sammich". Haven't had that one yet towards me yet but if i do especially if its serious ill be like "well damn always the sammich...not the potroast or the chicken and rice? Actin' like a chick cant cook :lol: :lol: :lol: "

LOL I'll keep that one in mind! Yeah, a sammich is nothing compared to a full meal :lol: Although let's face it, aren't most of the best chefs in the world men? :lol:

Also, to people here about lotions etc for the skin, a lot of the store-bought stuff is actually harmful and ages the skin. Look into natural and pure oils, such as jojoba, grapeseed, wheatgerm, safflower, rose otto, orange essential, and so on. These are wonderful for the skin and anti-ageing. You can combine a few into one container and voila, your own supreme facial serum! Also much cheaper and will yield a far larger amount.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE GARBLE GARBLEand now the others that are here to cause confusion about themselves and others have arrived. Soul wings supports killing the white baby needlessly while it is in the womb and now it comes up that they have mental issues. A surprise to no one. Some of you shouldn’t even be empowering yourselves until the soul is clean of the negative karma and such because it only causes more turmoil for you when these delusions are empowered. I think it is best that we don’t have this discussion because it only serves for you to pull others down into the mud with your confusion, or as a now seemingly absent brother would say “DER SWAMP”.

 

[Henu the Great]

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You can spin it however you want, yet at the end of the day you are a feminine man.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

Soul wings supports killing the white baby needlessly while it is in the womb and now it comes up that they have mental issues. A surprise to no one.

I've read what Soul wings had to say about that subject, which has nothing to do with what is discussed here.

The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP HoodedCobra, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.

Don't use unrelated things said by others to justify your own flawed opinions about subjects and the said person in question.

Stop perpetuating drama related to these subjects as well. If you just want to be entitled to your opinion, that is fine, you can do so in your own time and at your own place.

The JoS's stance on abortion and other subjects is rather clear already, therefore there is no need to push your own flawed opinion here in this kind of drama inducing manner, as it doesn't accomplish anything and doesn't lead to fruitful discussion about any subject.

Grow up a little, and either refute straight any nonsense said by a person, or learn to ignore it if you do not have anything to bring to the subject, or shoot it down pragmatically to avoid any unnecessary drama perpetuation.

Hail Satan!

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP HoodedCobra, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.

So you name dropped a few people as if their stance on it is even similar to SW who just supports abortion for the sake of it. I read the post as well and it had nothing to do with abortion being a eugenic or medical necessity.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

The topic of abortion has been clarified on already, by HP HoodedCobra, by Maxime, By Lydia, By myself, etc.

So you name dropped a few people as if their stance on it is even similar to SW who just supports abortion for the sake of it. I read the post as well and it had nothing to do with abortion being a eugenic or medical necessity.

Neither does it have it be. That is what all of us have said on the subject.

 

[Sketches]

...

I agree and disagree to needing and not needing make-up

I agree that you shouldn't hide your blemishes with it just to "remove it" for a couple of hours. It can also clog your pores, and if it has a harmful chemical, you'd definitely want to reconsider brushing it on your face.

I also want to have beauty that is natural, because I've grown to hate how my aunt powders make-up on my face. Dark eye shadows and foundation all the time. It made me hate how nothing changed how I appear and how those dark eye shadows made me look like I was in goth phase :lol:


But at the same time, I disagree to not needing make-up.

Despite how I talk seriously in the forums, I am girly and feminine. Most people who tried to talk to me regarding my art, or in a friendly manner, I respond ten times positively :lol:


I like to dress up in cute clothing. Sometimes, also a bad-ass pants and corset just to feel a little tomboyish and spicy. I like the attention I get from a light make-up, too. Just a simple lipstick and foundation that matches my skin tone and what color I want to pop, and that's it. I'm also admitting that I'm kinda pissed that this (((pandemic))) occurred and we all have to wear masks now, completely throwing make-up.

Now I'm not saying that because of how I feel regarding the pandemic and masks means that I should go "YOLO" and remove them just to wear make-up. I just wished the joos didn't do this shit, ie, nobody should go between me and my light make-up :lol: :lol: :lol:


Of course, just be mindful as to what products you should use. Despite me being all aboard towards make-up, I'd rather wear cute or bad-ass clothing than contour my face. I still do use natural beauty supplements to get a healthy skin. Make-up is just there to make your face pop, like an added filter

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Neither does it have it be. That is what all of us have said on the subject.

That post was more like a bunch of feminist woman/child hating talking points cloaked in the idea of the “right to choose”. But carry on. I know what I read and I know who defended it.

 

[Soul Wings]

Don't worry, there's no need to step in. He doesn't bother me in the least. I accept my beliefs go against the norms here for the most part, that doesn't stop me from being willing to discuss it. He's allowed to be angry, no matter where that anger comes from.

 

[Soul Wings]

(If anyone reading is "alarmed" and wants to read to decide for themselves, this is my stance on abortion. )

Well people managed to find their way into their thread and have their say (again). To others that have replied to my post about my gender identity stuff, I've read what you have to say but I am speaking particularly to Meteor about it. I do not wish to discuss it with anyone else (right now). Thanks for understanding.

People, even our family, who have not been through the same thing, yes, I believe they will never fully understand, unless they have listened fully (I'm talking EVERYTHING; as we both know what we've said is vague and many details left out - it's public after all) to someone who has been through it, or they have been through it themselves. I'm not saying people can't get "the gist of it" though. But unfortunately there's a lot of assumption there, usually.

I don't think I ever told my mum about what I did. Like the above, I wasn't sure if she was the right person to talk to about it because her generation never really dealt, with any of this. At the time there was literally nobody, I don't even think I told my therapist. I did speak to one of my friends briefly, but I just made a joke out of it.

Hmm, I did not have a boyfriend at the time so I never really had anyone to influence how I feel about my own body. I think if I did, hypothetically, well it's just so weird how the things our partners say affect what we do, but really, a question for you particularly from me... wouldn't it be healthier if it didn't? As it sounds like, from what I've read here, you are happy and content now anyway. How often does your fiance bring this up? How does it make you feel knowing he feels that way? Do you feel he would he be okay with you staying (biologically) a man?

> "What if it's not that they think you're weird, but that the way you are raises uncomfortable questions about themselves?
I have definitely wondered this about many things. It makes me think about back when many men I spoke to were uncomfortable with my bombastic sexuality (to put it lightly LOL) and forwardness. It was important for me to find someone comfortable in themselves but also open minded and understanding. I thought that would be hard but I was wrong.

People will always have a problem with these things. I definitely don't think all of them have bad intent though. I'm glad you've accepted this because it sounds like there might have been problems with that before in your life. But it seems like this might be the reason why nobody is openly discussing it here despite having issues like this themselves (I have seen other threads and I feel some guests may be looking for answers and expansion of their world view). And you're not derailing the thread, after all, this is my thread and I will talk about whatever I want in it!

 

[Mastermind]

I think a lot of my disagreements with people come from the ideological belief that one's sex can't be changed.

What makes someone a man or a woman? There are various things depending on who you ask, for example a person's genitalia, or maybe their character, or maybe their genetics, or maybe their appearance.

Let me ask you, what's the difference between a girl and a woman?
To me, a woman is a person that can be inseminated by sperm, that can give birth to another human being and provide enough resources to that human being until it becomes independent.
A girl can be inseminated and give birth but the offspring isn't likely to survive.

Can you do various surgeries to have a vagina? You can. You can even be inseminated.
Can you give birth? No.
From my point of view, the maximum you can be is a prepubescent girl. If you were to take hormones and grow breasts, I guess you could be a defective/infertile woman.

I see why you'd want to appear as a woman, it's life on easy mode as you get the strength of a man (easier to compete against women) while not having to compete for resources against other men. Much like transgenders are dominating female sports and getting easy wins. However they'd stand no chance in male sports.

 

[Mastermind]

At the rate things were going back when I was a teenager, if I had done nothing, I would have ended my life prematurely as it was profoundly unenjoyable for me back then. And now, I often find myself feeling so overjoyed, optimistic, and fulfilled,

You get the strength benefits of a man and the social benefits of appearing as a woman.
Of course not all men get the same strength benefits. You probably were one of the unlucky ones. However you are still much stronger than most women.
Also most women get social benefits that men don't get. Emotional support is a huge one. If you show weakness as a woman, you get help. If you show weakness as a man, people try to finish you off. Women get less time for the same crime. Women get a job easier for the same qualifications (although the pay is another matter). Women get friends much easier. Women get financial support by institutions. There are no willing homeless women (they are homeless because they didn't seek help because of an inflated ego) which is not the case for men. Men are less likely to get scholarships and more likely to be thrown out at 18. I could go on.

Being a man and appearing as a woman you get the best of both worlds. Being a woman and appearing as a man... that'd be catastrophic as you wouldn't get any strength benefits while losing all social benefits as well (which most women aren't even aware of having). That's probably why there are 4 times more transgender women than transgender men.

We know all of this subconsciously and we all try to maximize our chances at procreation. You found a way to do that through deception (which also puts you at above average IQ). I believe that you have problems with people because you are trying to rationalize your cheating. Most people instinctively know what you are doing but can't put it into words.
Is deception a bad tactic to win? Maybe, maybe not.
Lets see deception in action: https://www.bitchute.com/video/amyb9hJEDQ5E/ Jake Paul appears to be going for a low hit but then goes for the head and knocks Tyrone out. Is that bad? I don't think so. That's intelligence in action.

Where am I going with this? I think that it'd be best if you stopped trying to rationalize your behaviour to others. Just say what you are and don't explain yourself.

 

[Soul Wings]

Hmm, I don't want to cause problems (for you) by being public. if you want to talk privately about things I have a gmail if you'd like. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

... If you were to take hormones and grow breasts, I guess you could be a defective/infertile woman.

I personally think it's quite dehumanising to call someone (in any context) literally defective simply because they can't/won't have children. That is like calling a man defective if he can't get his cock hard or if he has a vasectomy etc. This word is synonymous with disabled. The fact that we can choose to have sex for pleasure only is fantastic and is not defective in the slightest. The fact that we can choose to have children or not is fantastic and how it should be. Then, for the most part, only the people who truly want children will have them, resulting in less infanticide, maternal deaths, abandonment to adoption homes etc.

 

[Jack]

I might be a bit off topic here, but it's somewhat relevant at least.
After some internal debate, I figured I'd let you know about something. I'm not super keen on talking about it but everyone is being such an asshole about it. I read your post about being a boy, Outlaw quoting you, and ended up seeing another thread of yours called "a woman's body". These guys (yes, mostly men) don't know what it's like to question their own gender, they are frightened or disturbed by it in many different ways, so they are responding in a way that is, to me, and probably you, useless.

If you are interested, I'm going to go into it. All good if you don't want to read about it as I understand you've been bombarded with responses recently. No harm done there.

After I read your thread, I want you to know I have been through gender identity issues myself. I did not want to respond in there (reading the responses made me SO uncomfortable and didn't want the attention over it) so I will respond here. ( I have not even told my boyfriend some of what I'm going to tell you here, btw.) Well, anyway. I had a stage in my life where I wondered if I was a man. I was having dreams about having sex with men as a (feminine) man, having sex with a woman as a (masculine) man, (despite considering myself straight). I had even cross-dressed, putting on several bras to flatten my chest and makeup to make my face look more masculine (adding a beard, contouring... to paint a mental picture, I looked like metalhead jesus, LOL). Looking in the mirror felt like looking at a completely different person. I had always been sadistic/dominant, I had suppressed it for so long because many men turned me away because of it, so I started to wonder, in a sense, if my "dick was too big". There was also the shame of constant harassment, men literally (trying to) physically block my way as I was trying to walk somewhere, wishing away my breasts and vagina because at the time I felt like "that's all men want" "that's all my value as a woman in life" "I have to use this to get what I want" etc. Not to mention literally being my own fucking father in life. It got to the point where I asked for help on forums and I had some really interesting advice.

Someone said to me,
"This is not about "do I feel like a man"? Not do you feel masculine, not do you feel dominant, women are completely entitled to feel either. "ARE YOU A MAN?""

So I asked myself that question seriously, and it took me a while to find an answer. A lot of the trauma of my life fucked up my gender identity so much. I would lie awake and think about it. I feel like I've understated it here but it really did me in. Fuck it, I was FUCKED UP MAN! But, in the end... truly, who says I can't live my life the way I've been living it, fully, without shame? Who says there aren't respectful guys out there who would love to have me, completely the way I am now? Things are so complicated in society but sometimes there is such simple answers. I can actually be a woman and have what I want, need, and be accepted. People like us, and the real reasons why these things are happening, are never represented in media. Knowing what I know now, I believe the jews truly want us to be confused about our gender, because it gets in the way of everything completely, and sometimes people permanently change themselves in ways they regret.

Personally, I am not going to comment on your situation, because that's something you have to conclude and answer to yourself, for yourself. But I want you to know that you are not alone and if you ever need somebody with actual experience of these issues to talk about it with, I'm here.

The majority of criminals, rapists and anti social people who create all sorts of problems for society also don't have a strong father figure. Do you think not having a strong father figure might have led you to develop this idea of Gender Identity ?

 

[Jack]

I think a lot of my disagreements with people come from the ideological belief that one's sex can't be changed.

What makes someone a man or a woman? There are various things depending on who you ask, for example a person's genitalia, or maybe their character, or maybe their genetics, or maybe their appearance.

Let me ask you, what's the difference between a girl and a woman?
To me, a woman is a person that can be inseminated by sperm, that can give birth to another human being and provide enough resources to that human being until it becomes independent.
A girl can be inseminated and give birth but the offspring isn't likely to survive.

Can you do various surgeries to have a vagina? You can. You can even be inseminated.
Can you give birth? No.
From my point of view, the maximum you can be is a prepubescent girl. If you were to take hormones and grow breasts, I guess you could be a defective/infertile woman.

I see why you'd want to appear as a woman, it's life on easy mode as you get the strength of a man (easier to compete against women) while not having to compete for resources against other men. Much like transgenders are dominating female sports and getting easy wins. However they'd stand no chance in male sports.

This is just a sign of a declining society. In a couple of years it'll be very very hard to find someone who identifies as a transgender person after all of the filth has been removed from our world through Fire and the collective will of humanity.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

At the rate things were going back when I was a teenager, if I had done nothing, I would have ended my life prematurely as it was profoundly unenjoyable for me back then. And now, I often find myself feeling so overjoyed, optimistic, and fulfilled,

You get the strength benefits of a man and the social benefits of appearing as a woman.
Of course not all men get the same strength benefits. You probably were one of the unlucky ones. However you are still much stronger than most women.
Also most women get social benefits that men don't get. Emotional support is a huge one. If you show weakness as a woman, you get help. If you show weakness as a man, people try to finish you off. Women get less time for the same crime. Women get a job easier for the same qualifications (although the pay is another matter). Women get friends much easier. Women get financial support by institutions. There are no willing homeless women (they are homeless because they didn't seek help because of an inflated ego) which is not the case for men. Men are less likely to get scholarships and more likely to be thrown out at 18. I could go on.

Being a man and appearing as a woman you get the best of both worlds. Being a woman and appearing as a man... that'd be catastrophic as you wouldn't get any strength benefits while losing all social benefits as well (which most women aren't even aware of having). That's probably why there are 4 times more transgender women than transgender men.

We know all of this subconsciously and we all try to maximize our chances at procreation. You found a way to do that through deception (which also puts you at above average IQ). I believe that you have problems with people because you are trying to rationalize your cheating. Most people instinctively know what you are doing but can't put it into words.
Is deception a bad tactic to win? Maybe, maybe not.
Lets see deception in action: https://www.bitchute.com/video/amyb9hJEDQ5E/ Jake Paul appears to be going for a low hit but then goes for the head and knocks Tyrone out. Is that bad? I don't think so. That's intelligence in action.

Where am I going with this? I think that it'd be best if you stopped trying to rationalize your behaviour to others. Just say what you are and don't explain yourself.

Those behavior patterns you mention are either stereotypes or dogma's.

The fact that they excist in your mind has to do with the people that you've seen in life.

There are women on the opposite end who have had to fight for everything and who have lost their homes and their security due to circumstances.
Not every woman has a net around them to catch their fall.
Women have their pride too. We are not all drama queens that want to have everything handed to us on golden platters. Also this in the paragraph above ^ is meek parasitic behavior.
(Not to mention all the curses against a woman in general.)

And there are also men whom lost their homes but they more often than not have someone that concerns them, whether it be their own mother or a good compassionate friend who lets them stay for a while.

Illusions, stereotypes and whatever should be broken. Just as civilisation is currently harsh, the harshest one towards yourself will be you, yourself.
The only one that can truly break you and keep you down is yourself.

This bad influence in society must be broken.
Responsibility must be properly taken and stimulated in a healthy way, so we can all become the best version of ourselves, and above all, be prosperous.

Men must be proper men. And women must be proper women. Diligent, strong, beautiful.
Take the three above words in the context that suits them best. My definition of them is rather broad.

 

[Mastermind]

how exactly do I benefit in any meaningful way from having above average strength for a woman?

By having the option of doing tasks that require above average strength for a woman. Maybe you chose to not exercise that option, however you have it in case you need it.

If procreation was my goal, it would've been easier as a man if I just got some fertility treatments and got a girlfriend. But I'm only into guys
...
It's true that I have an abnormally high IQ (even despite Klinefelter having a tendency to lower IQ a bit), but seriously, how does any of this actually benefit me in any meaningful way from a competitive standpoint?

You probably didn't really have an option to get a girlfriend at your stage in life. Life for young guys is brutal as young guys have to compete for young girls both against other young guys and older guys and older men and lesbians and aliens. 80%+ of young guys never had a girlfriend until 30 years of age. Which is the age where most guys have enough resources to be competitive enough to attract a female partner.
So why are you into guys? Your subconscious mind has determined that that's the best course of action and is making you do things that you are not consciously aware of. Two persons working together have the potential of making/gathering resources four times more than a single person. For example, sharing an apartment you get to pay half the rent than if you were alone. Having only one person cook saves a substantial amount of time as well. Not having to look for a partner also saves time. Etc.
So by being into guys and having a partner, you have an economic advantage and you'll end up out-competing single guys in terms of finances, which means that later in life you'll have the option to have more offspring and thus propagate your DNA more. This is all the work of your subconscious mind.
Study some evolutionary psychology and you'll understand it all.

 

[Soul Wings]

The majority of criminals, rapists and anti social people who create all sorts of problems for society also don't have a strong father figure. Do you think not having a strong father figure might have led you to develop this idea of Gender Identity ?

Hopefully, you're not trying to rope me in with people like that, because if you knew me, it couldn't be further from the truth. That wouldn't even be a question. And don't worry, he was strong, just in the most horrible ways a man can be . As for your latter question, yes it did directly lead to it. I have to be brief because I'm going to work but.... I have to be my own father = I have to do everything a father normally would, including protecting myself (I failed miserably) and teaching myself how to do things. These are masculine traits and contributed to some of the questions I had. But I do not blame my father for my shortcomings at all and I must simply rectify by becoming a better, stronger person myself instead of trying to play victim.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

It's true that I have an abnormally high IQ

Seriously meteor? Practicing some self-fellatio on your girl cock for the whole forum to see?

 

[Jack]

The majority of criminals, rapists and anti social people who create all sorts of problems for society also don't have a strong father figure. Do you think not having a strong father figure might have led you to develop this idea of Gender Identity ?

Hopefully, you're not trying to rope me in with people like that, because if you knew me, it couldn't be further from the truth. That wouldn't even be a question. And don't worry, he was strong, just in the most horrible ways a man can be . As for your latter question, yes it did directly lead to it. I have to be brief because I'm going to work but.... I have to be my own father = I have to do everything a father normally would, including protecting myself (I failed miserably) and teaching myself how to do things. These are masculine traits and contributed to some of the questions I had. But I do not blame my father for my shortcomings at all and I must simply rectify by becoming a better, stronger person myself instead of trying to play victim.

The reason I asked the question and the way you clarified it makes so much more sense. I also didn't have a strong father figure and was making a lot of mistakes in life without any guidance in regards to career ,the opposite sex and keeping bad male company. After I got "tapped in" with meditating for a long time, life got smoother and a lot less hectic.

I think that everything affects people differently because they have different astrological placements. I cannot think of any time in my life where I had self doubt in anything I did or were to do or anything that I was. I think that's the difference I see with people who were born with a weak will and had to develop it, and those who were already born with a Strong will. I remember that Adolf Hitlers father and mother passed away when he was still very young and he just kept moving forward with whatever he wanted to do and it didn't bother him that much.

I've always looked at life in terms of a higher purpose first which is why not a lot of things that happen in my personal life rattle me or shake me up. Because all of this will pass and in the end the spiritual Liberation will remain.

 

[Soul Wings]

Glad things worked out.
I definitely have other issues I'm still ironing out, they are pretty bad, some are physically affecting me so I don't know how long it will take. This is a long haul thing. I am currently working on more tools for this. I want to also mention that not everybody who goes what I went through gender wise, goes through it the same way for the same reasons. Not everyone has daddy/mommy issues. It's why I think it's important to listen and not just assume. I am just one of many, many people.

I don't think people who have "weak wills" from whatever it may be are weak entirely per se, but they are disadvantaged. I guess you like Naruto so the way I see it is Naruto vs Sasuke. I would look around and see a lot of "Sasuke"s walking around but I'd wonder if Naruto was inside their head. And it doesn't mean Naruto can't catch up or surpass Sasuke. It might just take dedication most of his life. And I think that makes him becoming a better person for that reason because he can empathise with other Narutos and knows what it's like to push through. Sasuke can simply get where he needs to be in life quicker than Naruto.

I don't disagree that people take it differently. Some have abusive partners, friends etc all their life because they can't escape the cycle. Some like age gap relationships. There's actually many psychological effects that have been studied because of absent parents. Truly it could be anything, we don't know the human brain very well right now. I just don't think people should rely on weird Freudian stuff for this kind of thing though.

I guess in a way this is a huge reason why I'm so thankful to Satan. He has truly been like a father to me. I'd probably be a sad homeless drunk, alone or dead if I didn't take this path. I have improved my life in so many ways and found answers to things that seem impossible through him.

 

[Soul Wings]

I was considering leaving the forums for a while and making a new account sometime and never bringing this up again, since I regret making people feel uncomfortable or annoyed; and as Outlaw mentioned as well, I'm very worried that opening up about my own experiences might exacerbate confusion and doubts some readers feel about themselves, which I wouldn't want to be responsible for.... after reading that you were unbothered by what Outlaw wrote, I thought that maybe rather than running away, I just shouldn't let it get to me...

Apologies if most of this is blunt but I am typing after work so my brain is quite fried, lol.
Honestly, nobody is really bothered by the guy. Look at his post history for proof of that. He barely has 50 posts or whatever and ironically none of it is conversational. Most of them write him off. It's the internet after all, there's really no room to be sensitive or give a shit at all, for the most part.
As for the topic, people have their own brains and can decide for themselves. I highly doubt it would confuse anybody. If it's awkward or uncomfortable, they can leave the thread. They aren't being held here by gun or something like that, lol.
This is not causing trouble, people feel passionately about things, especially if they are friends. It is discussing something that happens in reality to a shit tonne of people, that nobody has a clue about, yet people are trying to vehemently shut down open mindedness about it because it's a "lefty" thing right?
It might even be expanding people's world view, who knows really. Some will scream and shout no matter what, but the result is not always negative.

...When I pried, he reluctantly revealed that if he had a choice, he has a preference for me having the surgery, but that he doesn't want me to let that influence my decision, as it's most important to him that I'm comfortable with my body, and that I should do what I think is best for my own sake...


My partner never brought up anything about the topic himself, but I would often bring up my own insecurities. He always reacted with confusion, saying that he doesn't understand what I'm talking about even if I tried to point it out, and that I look attractive. Even my mother said to me as well: "You look nothing like a man; no one other than you still sees you that way." To not be reminded of the past when I look in the mirror, and to see myself as I really look now, that's still something that took a lot of time (it didn't happen until earlier this year after talking to my Guardian about it). But when it happened for the first time, I felt as though something deep within me healed, and my self-esteem (in regards to my appearance) has been amazing ever since.

Although my self-esteem about my appearance greatly improved over the years, my feelings about my genitalia did not improve in the slightest, and arguably got much worse. All I feel is shame, resentment, disgust. It's useless and only in the way of what I want, and I wish it was gone. As such, for years I was almost completely unable to bring myself to expose my lower body to my him, which really limited the sexual things we could do. Even if I tried, I would either start crying or curl up as I got overwhelmed by negative emotions; needless to say, I wouldn't be in a mood for anything sexual anymore. He often tried to encourage me, saying that it doesn't bother him and that he would be focused on other parts of my body anyway, and that my genitalia are irrelevant to him as there's still things we can do regardless. Even on the occasions that I got an erection, while I was cringing, he would say he's glad, as it's proof that I'm enjoying it; to which I would retort that I didn't need any proof to know I was, although I understand he's just trying to be positive.

>All I feel is shame, resentment, disgust. It's useless and only in the way of what I want, and I wish it was gone.
Bluntly put, I must admit, after all these guys that have shamed you for having a penis it only makes sense that you feel this way. I have seen this happen many times and all I can say on the matter is these guys are pure trash. Anyone who used you for anything and had something like that to say after are just trashbags.
>my genitalia are irrelevant to him
Well, if you're interested, here's where my opinion comes in, and this is my comment on the situation really. This is contradictory to the paragraph above, though. You decided to ask him one day and he gave you an answer similar of "I wish you didn't have a penis" too, just in a different way. It is a different context too - he is your long time partner and has a lot of influence on you because of it. He'd prefer you to have SRS - a vagina. This is "enabling" but only for his preferences, otherwise he'd just say he doesn't mind. It's just important to keep this in mind because I think this could be causing internal turmoil. It's best not to sweep it under the rug and face the reality of it head on. He really shouldn't be a weighing factor in what you do with your own body, as lovers truly come and go, and some may not stay with you forever. All I've been reading is "he sees me as..." but I think it would be better to focus more on "I see me as..." It needs to be you that makes the decision, and you alone. I apologise if I sound like a broken record or if I'm re-iterating what other people have said.
I would also like the say that I personally think it is possible you could live your life fulfilled without surgery, I just think you really, really, really need to find where the shame, fear, resentment etc comes from, within yourself and others. I also think you can heal that and accept yourself the way you are, if you end up wanting to do that. You might think it's too far gone, but I don't. It's a possibility, after all.

...those like Jack who are of the opinion that I should've been aborted or euthanised for being unusual in regards to sex/gender, but I'm really glad to be alive, especially now that things are finally starting to add up and head towards a conclusion....

There will be people with extreme views who don't understand, and might even be upset or frightened or whatever. The way I see it but he is cursing and killing one of his own Satanic people. How does doing or saying that help anything or anyone? It does nothing. Hitler would not even dream of killing his own people. I know that's not the worst that someone's said to you though. You've just got to stay strong like you have been doing.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

It's just a number, what does it matter to you? You don't get anywhere in life without discipline, no matter how "smart" some test says you are. All it means is that I have good memory and that I'm good at solving puzzles; there's no need to feel insecure about it.

I brought it up because the other person did, and it's "abnormal" in the sense that I got by far the highest score out of all the transgender patients in the Netherlands in the past 30 years. That's all.

Is there a point in this hostility? I don't dislike you, I just don't understand you. Let's forget about this and enjoy the Yuletide festivities.

You seem to be the one that’s insecure throwing yourself in front of this “just a number” as you call it. And your girlbrain chooses to interpret everything except worship of you as “hostility”.
I decided to poke you because anyone that would bring up their IQ in a discussion like this is a fucking idiot. Sure you can solve puzzles but how great is your self awareness and perception of yourself by others? It honestly sounds like you have autism and are very unaware of these things you say and how they make you look, the IQ comment was just a drop in the bucket compared to everything else I’ve seen.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

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Wouldn't you still want me to have been aborted just for having an extra chromosome? Or do you not care about that, as long as it doesn't cause serious symptoms?

My disorder is most likely neurological in nature (similarly to schizophrenia) rather than psychiatric, as the psychological reasons appear to be secondary and often caused by deeper underlying issues. Not that it really makes a difference; it's still objectively a mental disorder regardless, and my conviction that it's my body that's wrong instead of my mind, is either a sign of a strong will, or simply a disordered mind's inability to see its own faults.

But in the end, subjective reality shall surely prevail: even if I maintain that my mind is correct and change my body accordingly, rather than attempting to solve it the other way around, the axiom that I was never able to shake out of my head ("I should be female") will be sufficiently true for it not to cause any issues for me anymore. In other words, neither my body nor my mind will be wrong anymore, as they'll be in harmony, even if pedantics who believe in immutability disagree.

The ethical questions raised by the fact it can be solved both ways, are not for me to deal with. I'll simply take advantage of the contemporary liberties and manifest my will for my own peace of mind.
...

As science might progress, these types of alterations (alongside many others) might even be possible to be close to a 90% and so on. The ruling over the subjective reality on the objective, is something that is between a fetish and actually what makes progress.

However, even if something is possible, that doesn't mean that it is the best thing to do. Also, it can be a waste of one's time, energy, and moreso, bred out of nonsense.

No matter what you do [your personal choices are your own and these won't be infringed in Spiritual Satanism], the important question in your life would be to ask why you wanted to go this other way, except of using pure emotional justification. If this question is not answered, it will force itself answered at some time.

Since even a heroin user justifies their heroin use based on "wanting to do this" and other things like this, which answer nothing and not about their heroin use, nor these change how this will affect their life later. They say it was "good" and "correct" in their mind, but with many thing this is not the case.

In regards to posts about abortions and other nonsense, that is the same tier of nonsense that people keep saying which supports that "Nazis were killing the defective ones", or that "Nazis were killing anyone who had another hair color!!!".

This was already being done in the US and many other Nations before as it was anyway, but people like to use super fancy words like Eugenics and to imagine large armies of super nice looking people and stuff like this.

Checking children for down syndrome before birth, is literally Eugenics, and other pre-birth checks. But people like to put strange Nazi flag on it to feel like it's going to be something very crazy when this happens or something they saw in the movie of 300.

It is better that nonsense that doesn't really have historical value be kept to one's self. The cases of where one might have to pull the plug are so rare, that they don't include people who are just different or have specific disorders, but would only have to do with severe utter down sydrome, teratogens, full on psychopaths or serial killers, and other similar cases.

 

[Mastermind]

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I suggest that you keep the dick.
When you turn 40 years old, it's highly likely that you won't look young anymore, your beauty will disappear and no one will want you romantically any more. At least, that's the sad and unfortunate reality for most women.
If you keep the dick, you'll have the option to transition to a man. I believe that at that point your subconscious mind will make you attracted to women and wanting to make children and a family with one, especially if you've managed to create/gather lots of resources.

 

[Aquarius]

Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth.
It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth.
It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

And he takes statements like this as attacks when truthfully it’s the opposite. I don’t think Meteor realizes that everyone is either laughing at him or feeling sorry for the poor man whenever he goes off about IQ and thinking they were a girl since being a child. It’s like meteor has taped a “kick me” sign on his back but is too ignorant to see it.

You’re also right about the tranny talk and justification being too normalized now. I don’t know if it is intentional but meteor has come from strange (Jew filled) groups and he HAS successfully subverted this forum by lying to everyone for months about being an intersex hermaphrodite when in reality he's just a deluded biological gay male, which to me should have been when he lost all credit in anything he said.

 

[siatris666]

Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth.
It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

And he takes statements like this as attacks when truthfully it’s the opposite. I don’t think Meteor realizes that everyone is either laughing at him or feeling sorry for the poor man whenever he goes off about IQ and thinking they were a girl since being a child. It’s like meteor has taped a “kick me” sign on his back but is too ignorant to see it.

You’re also right about the tranny talk and justification being too normalized now. I don’t know if it is intentional but meteor has come from strange (Jew filled) groups and he HAS successfully subverted this forum by lying to everyone for months about being an intersex hermaphrodite when in reality he's just a deluded biological gay male, which to me should have been when he lost all credit in anything he said.

you dont know all story... of this person

meteor destroyed a few ss... with all this insanity...

she destroyed a cybersec expert from jos...

its very smart...crafty...cunning..very manipulation...

is crafty always victim...

be carefull..dont believe shit...

dont believe shit!

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

you dont know all story... of this person

meteor destroyed a few ss... with all this insanity...

she destroyed a cybersec expert from jos...

its very smart...crafty...cunning..very manipulation...

is crafty always victim...

be carefull..dont believe shit...

dont believe shit!

I absolutely believe you my friend you always have the evidence it’s just that HP doesn’t want it on the forum because things will turn into a mess quickly.

 

[Jack]

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Wouldn't you still want me to have been aborted just for having an extra chromosome? Or do you not care about that, as long as it doesn't cause serious symptoms?

My disorder is most likely neurological in nature (similarly to schizophrenia) rather than psychiatric, as the psychological reasons appear to be secondary and often caused by deeper underlying issues. Not that it really makes a difference; it's still objectively a mental disorder regardless, and my conviction that it's my body that's wrong instead of my mind, is either a sign of a strong will, or simply a disordered mind's inability to see its own faults.

But in the end, subjective reality shall surely prevail: even if I maintain that my mind is correct and change my body accordingly, rather than attempting to solve it the other way around, the axiom that I was never able to shake out of my head ("I should be female") will be sufficiently true for it not to cause any issues for me anymore. In other words, neither my body nor my mind will be wrong anymore, as they'll be in harmony, even if pedantics who believe in immutability disagree.

The ethical questions raised by the fact it can be solved both ways, are not for me to deal with. I'll simply take advantage of the contemporary liberties and manifest my will for my own peace of mind.

Since you have Genetic defects then until we figure out how to fix them in the womb using CRISPR after years of testing, yes you should have been aborted. It shouldn't even be a choice for the parents, it should be state policy. The Earth must be replenished with Healthy Seed.

 

[Stormblood]

How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

 

[Soul Wings]

Maybe it's just me, but I think we're just normalizing this talk about transgenderism too much, meteor is sick in the head, one can theorize all he wants, but at the end that is the simple truth.
It's just really strange reading all this stuff.

Well look, I think people can come to that conclusion themselves if they feel that way. I think censoring is pointless unless it goes against forum rules. I personally think people are WAY, WAY overreacting to what was meant to be just a personal discussion between Meteor and I. I did not feel comfortable with the apathy/lack of understanding shown by others for their issues, so I decided to go a different route to reach out and open up, as I don't give a fuck what people -especially on the internet- think of me anyway. I have extended the offer to speak privately, but there are people from all walks of life here; and I don't see the point in censoring public discussions about these topics. Xtards would historically censor cherrypicked things they didn't like... look how that's turned out. Everyone struggles differently; People can overcome all kinds of different issues. Everyone needs someone to talk to about it, too. Maybe even a fresh take. It is a reality and we cannot move forward just sticking our heads in the sand about things we don't like/don't want to think about etc. Even Cobra was kind enough to take the time out of his day to give his take.

How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Regardless, it's still relevant, as makeup is usually used in early stages of gender/trans/sexuality issues. OP is still a thing and I'm still willing to hear opinions.
As for how, it's because I decided I wanted to discuss it with Meteor only about it, but everyone else joined in. And I still do. Clearly it's a hot topic :!: Just a bit hotter than I (we, perhaps) was/were expecting. To be frank with you though (not trying to be rude, just truthful), I don't care if people don't like it, because I/we want to discuss it publically, and I'm going to, unless mods have a problem with it. We are still Satanic members and this is still life experiences. I am here to expand my world view, philosophise, and I do wish to help people out if I can, in whatever way I can. People are welcome to join and leave as they please, and to read/reply, or not read/reply, and to come to their own conclusions.

Out of curiosity, did you post something? As I was quoted but nothing appears. It was deleted perhaps?

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

How did this turn from a topic about make-up into a topic about transgenderism and other self-delusions?

Thats what I am wondering too. I read most of it and it only reminds me of the stories and videos of people mutilating their own genitals because its either a fetish or because theyre so desperate and depressed about finding a mate.