Women get a "free ride" because they are the prize. Biologically, every man wants the best woman for them, so it's supply and demand. The perceived value of women is higher than that of most men when they are between the ages of 18 to 40, after which it is surpassed by the value of men. The reason for that is because by that point, most men are in the position to get the kind of partner they want, so competition is much less. Women are at the end of their biological window by the age of 40, so any that want to start a family and haven't have pretty much missed the train.
I don't think the biological clock makes them valuable by default, especially considering the modern woman. And it's not that we get to 40 and we become Tom Cruise or whatever. It's true their biological clock is much stricter, but life after 40 for a man is nowhere near "getting the partner that they want". Keeping a fit body and a sharp mind also becomes harder for us, we're not the hot studs we used to be in our twenties, and women also want the best man for themselves. Besides, as you said, there aren't many high value men in their 20s or 30s, should women wait all that time? Most won't. And men after 40 are not wiser or more experienced, generally they may be, but immaturity can come in all sizes and all ages. All in all, I don't really see how they're the prize just because they can bear children. If someone ever designs artificial wombs they will literally become useless by this very definition.
You have standards for the women you are interested in right?
If being a woman and being nice can be considered standards, I guess I do. Irony aside, the logistics of finding the person one wants with all the checklist boxes ticked is still in favor of women, as they are reasonably the only ones who can have this demand. I never said this is wrong, I'm just questioning the legitimacy of them having this power. Biology is just not enough for me. As I said, if someone ever makes an artificial womb that works like a real one, what happens to women? They'd become de facto men.
Money is not everything and this is a much more complex subject. Syanstry (personality, astrological influence,..), past bonds, etc. Not to mention that a lot of "wealthy" man are workaholics / has lack of freetime, rude, cocky and jew-like. So they aren't wealthy at all. And so on. Of course a functioning Woman will choose the best for her, but money is only one variable in the equation.
I guess wealth comes in all forms, I agree with that. However, material wealth is the easiest to gauge at a first glance. Synastries and past bonds are irrelevant in charming anyone, and they only matter when the relationship is already somewhat established.
Yes, the above in the matter of provide is only an half truth, if it's all an interest mechanic like that, I'll prefer to remain single, and probably I'll become evil towards certain women.
I want real love, the rest is just necessary bullshit.
This is exactly what I'm trying to figure out here. How much of it all is just an "interest mechanic" and how much of it is actually love. For all we know, maybe it's all really just genetics and mechanics and we're just coping big time here.
Do you think that it is a chance for a woman, just because she is a woman, to seduce and marry any rich, handsome man she wishes, and to fall into her trap with the lowest quality men whenever she wants? None of the issues that you consider women lucky or men disadvantaged by themselves will bring happiness to a woman.
This is real and truly unsatisfying. On the contrary, I think it makes you feel unloved and worthless.
Happiness and a beautiful relationship are hard to find when expected from a person. This applies to both men and women. To gain a truly valuable place in life, both men and women must strive.
You'd be surprised, bro. It can go both ways, but women have it easier to do that. The meme of "what pussy will do to a motherfucker" may be taken as irony but it's just a way to satirize how horny we can get. I do agree with you, though, I think happiness comes from the struggle and growth. It's easier to grow alongside someone, and that can prove way more satisfying and bonding than just waiting at the finish line for Tyrone to sweep you off your feet and fuck him.
Just because you are about to graduate university and you are of that age, it doesn't mean you are a man... yet. A man is something you become at the end of the personal growth path that leads you to acquire many of those qualities and developments that, according to you, make you desirable to women. Just having the right to vote and drink alcohol because your body is biologically mature, it doesn't make anyone an adult nor a man.
You grow into a man. You don't grow into a man by avoiding obstacles and believing everything it would be better if it was already on a silver plate for you. You grow into a man by overcoming challenges, both within and outside of yourself, and by achieving self-mastery and mastering a few key areas of life. In the past, High Priest Hooded Cobra talked about what being a man means
Fair, I'll take it. It's true that I am still too young to understand everything there is, but I am still allowed to question things. Besides, I never said I disliked struggle. Far from it. I don't expect things to fall on my lap, I just want to know that the things I want to break my back for are worth it. In this case, I want to know what to do with my life regarding the partner issue. Even if I do a love spell and I get "the most suitable partner" for me, it still means nothing if the affection we exchange is nothing but an exchange of interests, aka I put the money and she puts the pussy. I don't want that at all. The issue is that since women tend to demand wealthy, handsome men, it just feels like the relationship is only based on those things and on literally nothing else, which to me makes it pointless. It means that at any point I'm replaceable and my presence is as irrelevant as anyone else's, therefore, it's not love, it's just "putting up with this dude until I find a better one".
I also think there's an inherent misconception that women automatically have value or that they are women already just because they got boobs and they're fertile. Far from it. As a Spiritual Satanist, you may want to choose a real woman. Being a real woman also goes beyond menial biological maturity. If you read High Priestess Lydia or Lady Maxine, you'll find out what being a real woman is. You don't want low-quality, so-called "women" that have nothing to offer but offspring.
I wholly agree with this and this is exactly my point. Women should not be the prize by default just because they have a womb and breasts. Yet it feels like they are, and men are just meant to struggle an entire lifetime to please a mindless tiktok drone like the ones you describe.
what is the purpose of life if you're not working to improve yourself and your community?
I'll use this as signature once I am allowed to use it. Evolving is the only purpose of life. I like your perspective of continuous growth.
The extension of resources certainly generates fertility in women.
Biologically, resources and good genetics in men are more than the basis for all perfection.
Forcing women to choose less because of "humility" is a characteristic of weak and repressed Christians.
That's why women's sexuality degenerated so much, they were limited to old idiots, and their value to them was less than two sheep.
In this way, women were repressed in a way that was destructive, even for the species.
As far as I know, fertility is mostly biological. Resources just set the woman up for success, but babies were born during plagues and wars, and those conditions were less than ideal. And, as I said, I'm not asking them to downgrade, I just want to know whether these demands translate in actual love and affection or if it's just a purely resourceful exchange.
I'm taking this moment to thank everyone for the good answers, I'm having a blast discussing this thing. Some of your answers forced me to rethink some things I said. I dedicate the next beer to you all (0% alcohol lemon beer because alcohol is for NPCs, I will die on this hill xD).