Pure Lust / Sex Rune Working

[Alexandros Iowno [JG]]

Your post is a complete mess, why are you randomly bringing psychic vampirism into this? How about you calm down and write a post when you're not hysterical. Note how I didn't name anybody and simply threw out there loose criticisms that honestly isn't really aimed at any specific person. I did this deliberately.

You seem to be very agitated at what I said. What's wrong?

Do you feel this was aimed at you?

If that's the case then perhaps you should look inward and at your behavior, if you felt the above was criticizing you specifically. What you would see if you were not hysterical, is dialogue.


I suppose it's easier to simply say that I have an agenda, or personal problems with members, than to actually address anything that I've said. You can sit there and continue crying about me having a jewish agenda and wanting to divide people. When in truth as you do this, you are simply attempting to turn people against me in a vicious fashion. So who's trying to pit SS against each other here?

The point of the above post is dialogue, and also to try to push people to do some introspection on their behavior and activity. Which in my opinion, some people have become problematic, and the way they convey themselves discourages new members from asking questions in fear of being bombarded from every direction.


And no, dialogue should not stop just because you can't handle any criticism. Which wasn't even directed at you specifically but you clearly felt that it was, and this is very revealing. Maybe look inward?

Maybe also relax and stop treating me like I'm the enemy, simply because I said something you think is wrong. The above was written out of actual concern for the group's health. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right. Crying over the keyboard and ranting about me having an agenda achieves nothing besides making you look childish.

After you've calmed down write a post with your actual opinion on what I said, and how people are treated in the forums. I'd like to read your thoughts.

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

 

[Stormblood]

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

There are people who are libelling the Guardians and people off-mod in the cursed rat den. I wonder where they took the idea :roll: and especially the remarks and writing style that are identical to certain people (plural, not person) on here, past and present.

 

[Jack]

I really am done here. Congratulations, Jack. You win. My heart is broken and I'm swimming in hopelessness. All of my efforts since I arrived here to make a difference were absolutely pointless. You just proved that to me. If I can't change the minds of stubborn people like you, if I can't reach people like you with logic and the truth, then it was all for nothing. Go ahead and pretend that you were all in the right all along and that "no one is trying to do that" (even though some clearly were, like Stormlood for instance, so it's obviously not "no one" but WHATEVER), and that I'm just crazy and "green lighting" bad behavior even though I'm not. Now you're rushing back to our very first argument about the concept of love as if it's relevant because you see the opportunity to kick me while I'm down and recover your worthless pride. I'm horrified by the motivations of certain people around here. I can't do it anymore. I give up on you and everyone else who resisted the truth of my words, and fought me out of bitterness and ego. My efforts to improve the pH of my environment are tragically futile. Everything I was trying to build is useless. People like you care about the wrong things. I hope your stubborn worldview was worth it to you to defend to the bitter end. You've defeated me so your false universe is safe now. Enjoy it. You and everyone else who had a problem with me can feel free to slander me endlessly behind my back from now on, if you're all so inclined. It doesn't matter to me anymore.

Even if you don't believe me, I argued with you so tirelessly in the past because I cared about you and I wanted to see you improve. If that wasn't the case then I never would have gone so far when you were pissing me off and spitefully calling me cuck page after page of comments. You and everyone else who ever felt threatened by me can now take a big sigh of relief because I'm gone from your lives. I'll never be so foolish again to care about people like you and give so much of my time and mental power and experience. You're not worth it to me anymore. Improving other peoples' lives isn't worth it to me anymore, even if it's Satan's forums. I wanted to help everyone rise in their consciousness and mentalities, defeat their programming from jewish society that they weren't able to become aware of on their own, and uplift Satan's people to greater heights. I love Satan, but it's impossible for me. I can't do it. It was all for nothing. I did my best...

Goodbye.

If you read jack's post history you will understand the level of his psyche when he goes into his dreams of micro managing people's lives as a dictator. Herein lies the root of the issue with the off mod mafia, and this is not to say that these people have ill will or a desire to damage others.

This is the mental state of some of these people, the belief that they know everything, and that their word is law. Jack is blatant in this, wears his arrogance like a badge of honor. Others are more subtle, but when pushed will still display the same levels of insanely inflated ego, like at one point one professed the right to dictate what is and isn't satanic as if he is Satan himself.

Simply overwhelming levels of ego and arrogance to a point they believe they know what's best for everybody at all times. They feed each other's delusions, and will attempt to destroy anyone who doesn't feed these, or worse calls them out on such stupidity. Some of them have improved dramatically on this, others simply got worse.

The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt. Neither clergy nor the gods, or even SATAN HIMSELF, intrude in people's lives to micro manage and dictate everything they should do, how they should think, and how they should live. But the off mod mafia presumes to have the right to do this. And will go to extreme lengths to force their views and beliefs on others.

I understand your decision to leave and even encourage it for a while for your mental health. I appreciate your support but would have discouraged you from getting involved because you'll be a target forever now.

This isn't your responsibility and not your problem, so relax. I'm sure you have better things to focus on than these people. Good luck out there man.

This is actually completely untrue as well. The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives. And that is if the Satanist has been working for a lot of time for our cause or trying to gain closer and gain guidance from them.

Even in this thread a person said that they were advised by the Gods not to get back with their ex. Lydia recently said that she was advised to Vibrate the name of a Demon during a transit.

All of us here who are members have received guidance from the Gods to NOT take a course of drastic action and that is simply what we've advised Fuchs to do. The Gods do help and guide and in that sense manage people who are close to them. You not understanding this simple sentiment is simply proof that your not advanced enough to receive or recognize Divine Help.

No one is trying to micromanage anything. These things are common sense to people, unless one is a sociopath or a full blown Psychopath who doesn't have a healthy mind. We are simply trying to help a troubled soul navigate life by giving him informed options.

It's not driving people away from Satan. It's improving people who are already close to Satan. And the people who go down worthless paths in life after being informed will be worthless to our cause either way.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

Ignoring the literal "no u" bit, I have to say I disagree. There are certain members who have approached inexperienced people in unacceptable ways before, and I'm not talking about just recent examples, it's been happening for a long time, even long before off mod was a thing. And sometimes it still happens.

No ideology is being pushed here. I'm literally just asking that we all have more patience, restraint and respect especially for misguided people so we can keep them.


Stormblood for once is right about something that there are people who are riled up against some off mod members. To say that this was created by me, and not the years of abhorrent disrespectful behavior, and the people who were driven away by crude remarks and overly harsh and critical responses, is hilarious.

This is something I've been wanting to talk about for years. This isn't recent.

I retract the off mod mafia comment. I agree it is baity and divisive. But I still think there's a problem, albeit not as bad as it used to be. I think the worst person with this behavior has improved dramatically, I've been watching their posts and they are almost like a completely different person now and I think that's great.


I also never felt like the underdog, or said that I felt that way. Maybe you see me that way because you have some inflated sense of status?

I'll remind you again that the above wasn't directed at any specific persons, but you still feel personally insulted by it. I said already the people who have shit behavior are a small minority. So why are you attempting to twist my post as if I'm saying all off mod members are trash. Almost all of them are great, almost.

I'd encourage all of you, who clearly want to actively be a part of the forums on a daily basis, to watch the people who were selected to be Guardians, and learn from their example. And compare the way they convey themselves and their message over the years to yours.


I do not want to divide the forums or pit people against each other. I want talk. When you make these posts, desperately attempting to silence any dialogue on this, you only give ammo to the people who actually are attempting to divide the group.

 

[Dahaarkan]

This is actually completely untrue as well. The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives. And that is if the Satanist has been working for a lot of time for our cause or trying to gain closer and gain guidance from them.

Even in this thread a person said that they were advised by the Gods not to get back with their ex. Lydia recently said that she was advised to Vibrate the name of a Demon during a transit.

All of us here who are members have received guidance from the Gods to NOT take a course of drastic action and that is simply what we've advised Fuchs to do. The Gods do help and guide and in that sense manage people who are close to them. You not understanding this simple sentiment is simply proof that your not advanced enough to receive or recognize Divine Help.

No one is trying to micromanage anything. These things are common sense to people, unless one is a sociopath or a full blown Psychopath who doesn't have a healthy mind. We are simply trying to help a troubled soul navigate life by giving him informed options.

It's not driving people away from Satan. It's improving people who are already close to Satan. And the people who go down worthless paths in life after being informed will be worthless to our cause either way.

You want to be a leader jack let me give you some advice on persuasion. The way you convey yourself, is as important as the contents of your message.

You can be telling someone absolute truth, but simply the way you convey yourself can make them reject your message and vilify you. It's one thing to give guidance, it's another to intrude and nag and dictate constantly. I've received more help from Satan than I could ever give back. But what I never received was a voice in my ear shouting at me that I'm an idiot or forcing me to do things differently.

The above post isn't just about your activity on this thread. You've clearly demonstrated a desire for controlling people's lives tightly before, unless you've abandoned this idea?


Leadership is about charisma and warmth. Having these two will make people follow you regardless of your intentions. You can be a liar and a traitor and have lots of people still follow you, or you can be a truthful and genuine leader and nobody will follow you simply because you lack the above.

The point is depending on the way you convey your message, people can accept or reject it simply based on how you word your statements and present yourself, disregarding if it is true or not. Especially in inexperienced, new people, they are very sensitive to these things and simply approaching them the wrong way can drive them away.

Many people who come here are desperate, confused and emotionally imbalanced. There's also pressure from the enemy upon them to leave, and if we aren't welcoming and patient, this can be enough to drive them away forever. It's not fair to say that people who leave would always be worthless anyway.

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

 

[Dahaarkan]

The truth of the matter which you will never admit, is that the issue here isn't the contents of my posts, or the concerns that I've exposed, but simply that they come from me.

Anybody else could have made the above posts and would have been fine, and addressed as valid concerns, but because it comes from Dahaarkan, you are agitated and feel attacked.


You guys hate me with a burning passion because I'm the only person here who will tell you to your face that you've done something wrong, or are behaving childishly. Nobody else dares criticize you and if they do, you drive them out.

Or maybe you feel threatened by me in someway, perhaps because I was there watching you when you were first taking baby steps as Satanists. I have nothing but pride for what you've accomplished, but that isn't to say that you're perfect and that I won't also mention when you do something wrong.

But you can't get rid of me so you might as well just accept the dialogue and maybe grow from it. None of you are perfect, you've all made mistakes and continue to do them every now and then. As do I, as does everybody. Lashing out at me or anybody else when your mistakes are pointed out doesn't help you, and doesn't help anybody.

Some of you have become snobbish and standoffish. Some have improved on this, others only degraded. And it's reached the point that groups are forming around hating you and hating the off mod crew.

You can blame that on me if you'd like, or you can do introspection and maybe come to realize you did go too far at times, that you were too harsh, or too proud and arrogant when approaching inexperienced or imbalanced people who needed your guidance.

You brought this upon yourselves, and more importantly, you brought this upon the JoS forums. So maybe going forward try to have more welcoming, patient and calm attitude, especially when addressing inexperienced and imbalanced people.

This isn't just for off mod members, by the way. This issue is the legacy of a traitor who passed this behavior off as not only acceptable, but the standard in how to approach the ignorant and inexperienced. There's a reason this behavior stems mostly from people who were around while he was here.

I do have an agenda, and that is to eradicate his lingering influence off the forums and off your minds.

 

[Jack]

This is actually completely untrue as well. The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives. And that is if the Satanist has been working for a lot of time for our cause or trying to gain closer and gain guidance from them.

Even in this thread a person said that they were advised by the Gods not to get back with their ex. Lydia recently said that she was advised to Vibrate the name of a Demon during a transit.

All of us here who are members have received guidance from the Gods to NOT take a course of drastic action and that is simply what we've advised Fuchs to do. The Gods do help and guide and in that sense manage people who are close to them. You not understanding this simple sentiment is simply proof that your not advanced enough to receive or recognize Divine Help.

No one is trying to micromanage anything. These things are common sense to people, unless one is a sociopath or a full blown Psychopath who doesn't have a healthy mind. We are simply trying to help a troubled soul navigate life by giving him informed options.

It's not driving people away from Satan. It's improving people who are already close to Satan. And the people who go down worthless paths in life after being informed will be worthless to our cause either way.

You want to be a leader jack let me give you some advice on persuasion. The way you convey yourself, is as important as the contents of your message.

You can be telling someone absolute truth, but simply the way you convey yourself can make them reject your message and vilify you. It's one thing to give guidance, it's another to intrude and nag and dictate constantly. I've received more help from Satan than I could ever give back. But what I never received was a voice in my ear shouting at me that I'm an idiot or forcing me to do things differently.

The above post isn't just about your activity on this thread. You've clearly demonstrated a desire for controlling people's lives tightly before, unless you've abandoned this idea?


Leadership is about charisma and warmth. Having these two will make people follow you regardless of your intentions. You can be a liar and a traitor and have lots of people still follow you, or you can be a truthful and genuine leader and nobody will follow you simply because you lack the above.

The point is depending on the way you convey your message, people can accept or reject it simply based on how you word your statements and present yourself, disregarding if it is true or not. Especially in inexperienced, new people, they are very sensitive to these things and simply approaching them the wrong way can drive them away.

Many people who come here are desperate, confused and emotionally imbalanced. There's also pressure from the enemy upon them to leave, and if we aren't welcoming and patient, this can be enough to drive them away forever. It's not fair to say that people who leave would always be worthless anyway.

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

No one here is new and no one is Dictating or nagging anyone. No one is driving anyone away. I'm not off mod and I don't know who is. Probably no one on this thread.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

Personally, when I first came to the Joy of Satan on the Yahoo groups, I was a brainwashed idiot who knew nothing.

My first post as a new member, on an account I no longer have because I abandoned it, was truly stupid and delusional.

The replies I got were in this vein:

"You are a delusional idiot, go read the Joy of Satan because you know nothing and what you wrote is ridiculous."

I got 3-4 replies like that, and there were no encouraging words. It was a shock when I read those.

However not because I was insulted, but because it forced me to realize my delusion on the spot.

The truth was told to me in the most direct way, and the advice I needed was given to me as well.

I shut my delusional mouth and followed the advice, diligently read the Joy of Satan for a few weeks and deprogrammed myself from delusional thinking and brainwashing.

A few weeks later I made a new account, and I was welcomed with open arms because I immediately engaged on the groups as a good SS and even had some good things to say that was able to help others.

Had people sugar coated me and enabled me after my first reply, by not being direct with me, this could have gone very differently.

It is plausible my ego would have blown out of the water and I would have reinforced my delusions, been so convinced of them that I could have attracted other people to believe in them and enable them with me, and even ended up starting some random email clique away from the JoS to remain in my little fantasy world while smack talking HP HoodedCobra behind the scenes.

This is a reality that may have come to pass if I had not been confronted straight up on my delusions and idiocy.

There's been a lot of people like that over the years, and not all of them were jews or purposeful infiltrators, but delusional idiots who didn't listen to advices and just believed in their own imaginary reality and imaginary abilities and who lost themselves in those.


Directness may be very unpleasant, but it is sometimes the most powerful aid to a person.

It wasn't pleasant for me to be confronted like that, however it never is when you are forced to realize the reality is a complete 180 from your delusional beliefs, which is something every single prospective SS has to go through one way or another.

Certain strength of character is required to succeed as an SS. Therefore a person may as well be worthless as an SS if he really leaves Spiritual Satanism behind after they make one post and people tell them they are wrong about something and that they have been an idiot.


For the sake of being welcoming to new members however it is good to be warmer and more friendly, thus to avoid things which can be perceived as insulting and may indeed break the weak person and turn them away.

That said, things have improved majorly over the years already, especially the last half a year-year.

The atmosphere on the forum is a lot nicer, people are friendlier to each other, there is more mutual understanding than there has ever been, and people are more conscious of what they write to others as a whole.

Some of the complaints you are making would have made perfect sense 1 year and a half or 2 years ago, but not so much today because I have only noticed and seen improvement by almost all member lately, except those who are stuck in the past and can't seem to realize we are all growing and moving forward every day.

Hail Satan!

 

[Dahaarkan]

Every single one of you here, who have been here for years, if when you first arrived, when you were at your most fragile and weakest state, if you had been approached in abhorrent manner, you probably wouldn't be here today. You were given answers, patience and guidance and look at you now.


Every person who left because they felt insulted, unwelcome, attacked or harassed, could be on your level, or even above you if given patience and restraint by older members. Most of you don't give a shit about this. People leave and you either don't care, or celebrate it like it's a victory.

Sure, some people are too extreme and need to be removed, but some get completely blasted just because maybe they are kind of annoying or ignorant. I bring attention primarily to off mod folks because these are the people who JoS trusts to do the right thing and give a positive image to the forums, and when I see someone off mod blasting someone for no reason, or being snobbish or standoffish, it's such a betrayal in my eyes.

Personally, when I first came to the Joy of Satan on the Yahoo groups, I was a brainwashed idiot who knew nothing.

My first post as a new member, on an account I no longer have because I abandoned it, was truly stupid and delusional.

The replies I got were in this vein:

"You are a delusional idiot, go read the Joy of Satan because you know nothing and what you wrote is ridiculous."

I got 3-4 replies like that, and there were no encouraging words. It was a shock when I read those.

However not because I was insulted, but because it forced me to realize my delusion on the spot.

The truth was told to me in the most direct way, and the advice I needed was given to me as well.

I shut my delusional mouth and followed the advice, diligently read the Joy of Satan for a few weeks and deprogrammed myself from delusional thinking and brainwashing.

A few weeks later I made a new account, and I was welcomed with open arms because I immediately engaged on the groups as a good SS and even had some good things to say that was able to help others.

Had people sugar coated me and enabled me after my first reply, by not being direct with me, this could have gone very differently.

It is plausible my ego would have blown out of the water and I would have reinforced my delusions, been so convinced of them that I could have attracted other people to believe in them and enable them with me, and even ended up starting some random email clique away from the JoS to remain in my little fantasy world while smack talking HP HoodedCobra behind the scenes.

This is a reality that may have come to pass if I had not been confronted straight up on my delusions and idiocy.

There's been a lot of people like that over the years, and not all of them were jews or purposeful infiltrators, but delusional idiots who didn't listen to advices and just believed in their own imaginary reality and imaginary abilities and who lost themselves in those.


Directness may be very unpleasant, but it is sometimes the most powerful aid to a person.

It wasn't pleasant for me to be confronted like that, however it never is when you are forced to realize the reality is a complete 180 from your delusional beliefs, which is something every single prospective SS has to go through one way or another.

Certain strength of character is required to succeed as an SS. Therefore a person may as well be worthless as an SS if he really leaves Spiritual Satanism behind after they make one post and people tell them they are wrong about something and that they have been an idiot.


For the sake of being welcoming to new members however it is good to be warmer and more friendly, thus to avoid things which can be perceived as insulting and may indeed break the weak person and turn them away.

That said, things have improved majorly over the years already, especially the last half a year-year.

The atmosphere on the forum is a lot nicer, people are friendlier to each other, there is more mutual understanding than there has ever been, and people are more conscious of what they write to others as a whole.

Some of the complaints you are making would have made perfect sense 1 year and a half or 2 years ago, but not so much today because I have only noticed and seen improvement by almost all member lately, except those who are stuck in the past and can't seem to realize we are all growing and moving forward every day.

Hail Satan!

In my opinion cases like yours represent a minority. How many names from back when this behavior was standard remain with us. Close to none.

Not saying it's the only reason, but it didn't help.

 

[Fuchs]

...

One question: have you thought that her behaviour toward the heteroracial guy may actually be enemy influence? The enemy likes attacking both the SS and any non-SS linked to them, to manipulate them and bring bad occurrences in their life. Non-SS are less protected from this, so this could be an option. They could be trying to harm you through outside circumstances.

I clean her aura daily since 1 week now with AC:

Raising energy VUVAVO, then condense energy in a goldwhite ball (I like to outbreathe the energy for 88sec with additional energy collection inbetween)

"In a positive and healthy way for me, the light is cleaning any and all negative hebrew energys,curses, thoughtforms, programming from [Name Person] and is sending them right back to the senders" x3

 

[FancyMancy]

Thank you for taking the time to elaborate on this, and writing such a thorough reply.

I wanted to give you the last word here, but I am just replying to say "no problem".

The Gods actually do interfere heavily in a lot of people's lives.

Interfere or intervene? The latter is more to provide help to a person, group, situation. At least that's how I've always understood it to be used, regardless of what "definitions" state. Interference is to stick one's nose in where it doesn't belong.

Lashing out at me or anybody else when your mistakes are pointed out doesn't help you, and doesn't help anybody.

I expect you know what I am saying here already, but for anyone -
I'm not a psychologist, but ("but" here does not negate the fact that I am not a psychologist!) apparently, everyone is a narcissist; from birth it's all me, me, me. Some people don't grow out of this. It seems that the reason why some people lash-out or cry or run away or whatever when they receive things which go against their thoughts, feelings, emotions, beliefs, processes, behaviours... is because they are trying to protect self. ("You can't teach an old dog new tricks", supposedly.) Correctly or incorrectly, wisely or foolishly, they are trying to preserve what they have become (not necessarily what they are). They seem to be doing the best with what they know and what they have. Whatever we are or have within ourselves, increases - for better or for worse.

People might not realise this, but they both are and also want to be individuals, so whenever something goes against them and their things, they just want to protect that. It's as if it's like "it's my life; I'll do what I want; don't tell me otherwise" - but on a forum for help, i.e. here, the point is to help and people come here for that. It takes some people more time or less time to either 1) be willing to, 2) to try, or 3) to actually, change.

Other people may not care and they take pleasure in (trying to) control others, possibly to the extremes of schadenfreude. Maybe they care/cared too much, and things continued to go bad, shit and worse for them, so they became bitter and selfish and self-centred... thus, lashing-out, crying, running away, etc., is sort of like them being in power and control (of themselves, to protect and preserve self, and/or of others, to control them and manipulate them, possibly to keep themselves in control so as to feel safe, or just to be manipulative). Either way, they get feel-good hormones in the way or ways which have worked before. Naturally, we cling-on to things and onto these things - what we are and do, increases for better or for worse.
Again - I expect you know this already, but it was for anyone.

I got 3-4 replies like that, and there were no encouraging words. It was a shock when I read those.

However not because I was insulted, but because it forced me to realize my delusion on the spot.

The truth was told to me in the most direct way, and the advice I needed was given to me as well.

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Had people sugar coated me and enabled me after my first reply, by not being direct with me, this could have gone very differently.

Some people need to go live in certain places where it is not only common but (and I'm joking in this next bit) expected and rewarded [/joke] to call others stupid, etc. Some people are way too sensitive, and they need toughening-up. One thing, actually in primary school, which was said about Boys is, if they were wimps or afraid and quiet (I don't mean cowards and bullies), then they would be called a big Girls' blouse. Another is "Are you a man or a mouse?". We don't need soft little wimps to go to their "safe places"; we need strong People. We do, however, need to be sensitive to others. Words cannot be conveyed properly nor correctly over text - plus we're not mates or friends, so it is unacceptable a lot of the time, due to being strangers.

Regarding the sugar-coating part - that's at least part of the reason why the clergy are here for support and guidance only. They have to remain professional, detached and distant - perhaps seeming cold, but not being cold; trying to be honest. Perhaps a pre-mention in posts would be better, e.g. "I can be quite stern and forward in how I say things, so please don't be upset with how direct and maybe upsetting I am in my reply" or something. Of course, calling someone an effing B or effing D or whatever would not be anywhere near acceptable, with or without that pre-mentioning. (I don't want to call it a disclaimer, because then it would seem like a free pass to harass and seriously attack and offend others.)

This is a reality that may have come to pass if I had not been confronted straight up on my delusions and idiocy.

It is good, therefore, that this is a community. Different people can reply, some maybe harsher and more direct, others more sensitive. I hate to say it, but it is a bit like good-copper/bad-copper - but not playing that. The point I am trying to make is that different people reply in different ways, whether it's directly or indirectly - newbs can read replies and take things from them. Perhaps overall, a more sensitive and neutral approach should be in order.

Directness may be very unpleasant, but it is sometimes the most powerful aid to a person.

It wasn't pleasant for me to be confronted like that, however it never is when you are forced to realize the reality is a complete 180 from your delusional beliefs, which is something every single prospective SS has to go through one way or another.

I should have added this quote here, further up above to where I say about me not being a psychologist and the things about how it seems people are in defending themselves.

I don't want to be so selfish and narcissistic myself, but I do share the link to my emotionals thread sometimes. I would hope, and have hoped, others might share it with some users who might be too soft or sensitive or similar things. If I keep sharing it, it seems to me that I am claiming it is the answer to that problem and that no other answer is necessary. I hope it helps some people, though.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [JG]]

Ignoring the literal "no u" bit, I have to say I disagree. There are certain members who have approached inexperienced people in unacceptable ways before, and I'm not talking about just recent examples, it's been happening for a long time, even long before off mod was a thing. And sometimes it still happens.

No ideology is being pushed here. I'm literally just asking that we all have more patience, restraint and respect especially for misguided people so we can keep them.


Stormblood for once is right about something that there are people who are riled up against some off mod members. To say that this was created by me, and not the years of abhorrent disrespectful behavior, and the people who were driven away by crude remarks and overly harsh and critical responses, is hilarious.

This is something I've been wanting to talk about for years. This isn't recent.

I retract the off mod mafia comment. I agree it is baity and divisive. But I still think there's a problem, albeit not as bad as it used to be. I think the worst person with this behavior has improved dramatically, I've been watching their posts and they are almost like a completely different person now and I think that's great.


I also never felt like the underdog, or said that I felt that way. Maybe you see me that way because you have some inflated sense of status?

I'll remind you again that the above wasn't directed at any specific persons, but you still feel personally insulted by it. I said already the people who have shit behavior are a small minority. So why are you attempting to twist my post as if I'm saying all off mod members are trash. Almost all of them are great, almost.

I'd encourage all of you, who clearly want to actively be a part of the forums on a daily basis, to watch the people who were selected to be Guardians, and learn from their example. And compare the way they convey themselves and their message over the years to yours.


I do not want to divide the forums or pit people against each other. I want talk. When you make these posts, desperately attempting to silence any dialogue on this, you only give ammo to the people who actually are attempting to divide the group.

You sympathize with the enemy narrative and trust it, justify it and try to enforce it here like it is a reality and like solutions are to be implemented. 

If you feel others are treated unjustly, which in your view is something of a lot of time and a real problematic situation, you don't sympathize and exaggerate your statements to fit profiling and narratives here. 

Ignoring the fact, that, JoS is healthier than ever, stronger and more elevated with factual implementation by the direct will of the Gods, in a time where this is more and more formally known and implemented, there's the narrative that somehow this isn't the case, accusations of direct defamation is stated, as a means to complement superficial the evolutions of things,  but done by the "opposition".

As it was already stated valid arguments and observations put forth together with ill will is not so much savior archetype.

Thank you for taking back the expression off mod mafia. Given benefit of the doubt here, this is very important as to generalize your statements onto a collective and group of people while insulting them for supposedly not being better is absolutely of a different premise. 

Everyone is welcomed here, and no one said the opposite or assessed opposition to new comers, especially older members.

This whole manifestation is of those weak people who met with great friction because of their malicious actions, immaturity and straight out attacking syndrome. If one wasn't as so in the first place, one became as so. And NOT because of the truth that opposed them here, but because that's what their nature was and is. 

Feelings and comfort is met at one point here. Everyone is unique, and they represent a certain trait of the astrology zodiac, and they guide and express themselves organically to the others. One is an elitist, one is polite another blablabla. Everyone suits a need for any and all SS to synergize and help themselves. 

JoS will never be a xianized gathering and hippies welcoming with flowers and bloom. These flowers are when you meditate. Things are very sacred here, with much heaviness and with utmost importance. 

This ego leveling is so pointless, It will always deflate at death, so when you die you understand how much fucking time you wasted, and how everything is so precious in life. JoS is beyond that death, far in the future for eons of generations, of your kids of kids and more than that. 

The seriousness of the tasks and shared concern here is way beyond bob and sally not being sucked on because of their delusional fantasies. 

However, with the above stated, everyone's level of life and soul IS to be respected. As a SS if you are stupid, I respect you, but I also expect for you to be stupid less in the future. 

The collective effort of wisdom and control, aspects fatherhood and motherhood concerning the creation of a strong community here, is always improved upon and this was never so much better. There are people here who came to a good understanding of life, and that in a mature view of things, is something extremely special and honorable. 

By the design of things people expect the worst as stated in a sermon. But from expecting into acting the worst, manipulating and put it on a trophy list while behaving like a raccoon who steals some ego points is beyond laughable. 

HP. HoodedCobra stated and talked about improving communication and relations within the community. Blitzkrieg did also an amazing reply one time. People are aware, improving and not making a fuss about it and bending it in weaknesses and pushing narratives because they feel entitled of the half truth they discovered and boiled half a century ago.

And about the personal remarks you did, about people hating you. Rise you head out of the ass checks, nobody hates you, and no one will. I can certainly hate the disunity caused the situation in itself, yet I don't personally. No one hates you here, but the enemy surely does, as for all of the other people here, they are also hated. 

You are smart, argumentative, energetic. Why don't you improve and you can do great things and not just confuse people with the re-imagination of the wheel.

 

[tabby]

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My first time here I was labelled an alt account and had my relationship claimed to be invalid just because I stood up for my partner against an idiot who made a stab at jrvan for no reason, then covered it up as a joke. From there it was nearly non-stop “you’re a cuck” “you’re not a real man” “why you acting like an abused woman?” “swamp this swamp that” bullshit, and I was just run over because apparently girls can’t have a discussion with guys. Pretty retarded way to welcome new people.

I’m glad things have changed from then, but that was the atmosphere around here just little over half a year ago. Imagine being new, and you have to fight for breath just to exist in the forums because you’re not conforming to stereotypes. Why did that change? Jrvan and I didn’t back down about the issue and how we got treated until it finally exploded in a month long conflict under a thread that was just meant to be about sewing and had to be addressed officially.

Men vs women, my idea vs your idea, my method vs your method, established vs noobie, old vs new… Aside from the gender problems in the forums being settled and generally less levels of hostility, there’s still the rest of these duality issues that, I agree with you, would be nice if we could just discuss them.

I’m learning, jrvan’s learning, everyone’s just trying to learn and heal themselves. How are we supposed to feel comfortable here, when we’re not able to bring a different opinion to the table without recieving underhanded remarks and insults? Communication can be a barrier, worse off for those with Merc.R, but things would go much more smoothly without the deliberate attempts to twist words.

As others know, we came from a cult. There’s serious trauma from an experience like that, and to be around people who would rather see you gone and silently working on yourself instead of trying to make a difference around here or engaging with others… well, makes you feel like you’re better off alone than hanging around, dunnit?

We’re an extreme case but I’m sure there’s plenty of people coming here hoping to have a fresh start and not be subjected to repeating life patterns of mistreatment. We’re sensitive, so bloody what? People who carry wounds are going to be sensitive, and rubbing salt into them doesn’t help.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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Dahaarkan and Tabby are right in regards to the degree of hostility that has been unduly shown to other Satanists. Hostility itself is separate from forcefulness, sternness, in that it is destructive. What is difficult is that it does not come from the inherent intentions of others, but usually as a result of frustration, or overzealous protection of Satanic tenets.

It is not always easy to create messages which are able to blend the 4 elements into a harmonious manner which still conveys the seriousness of Satanism without making the recipient feel attacked. This is why Libra is a preferred sign for Venus, because Libra is sort of like a blend of air, water, and earth.

Not all people respond as you do in regards to being treated harshly. In particular, sensitive people will feel hurt by the aggression. These sorts of people don't need to be broken down in the first place, as they are already receptive. Then only need to be told what to do, not shouted at, so to speak.

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You can tell how you should approach someone based on how they are responding to you. If they are flipping out in the thread, crying and yelling, then it is time to turn down the temperature and reassure them that you weren't trying to be mean, just serious.

What oftentimes worsens the situation is where people reply with "you are delusional" and then with nothing after it. This totally fails because it is not just overly destructive, but also it does not follow up with anything constructive for the recipient to grow with.

Of course, it does take time and effort to do these things properly, but navigating emotions and communication are not much different from the mechanical operation of physical items; it simply follows different rules. However, the principle is the same: if you aren't getting a positive outcome, then you have to change your inputs.

In the case of what a positive outcome is defined as, that would be someone who has happily accepted and is actively integrated Satanism (or whatever you are trying to teach) into their lives.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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This whole drama between you and other members is rapidly turning from something that could be constructive into one that is destructive and traumatizing.

I spent some time reading through different interactions between you and others to try and understand where each party was going wrong. However, conveying these sorts of things takes an extensive amount of time, and the solution is always simply the advancement of the afflicted areas anyway.

Perhaps you are feeling something similar in regards to the burden or stress caused by simultaneously trying to defuse the situation, defend yourself, argue your points, and do so in a manner that is not overly aggressive, nor overly soft.

Instead of getting stressed by all of this, culminating in you feeling dejected and detached from JOS, this whole thing should be dropped. Not dropped in the sense of giving up the argument, but rather for lowering the stress of all parties involved. This goes not just to you, but the others as well.

I have said before that communications that have risen to the level of name-calling, insults, and other overly aggressive interactions are beyond the point of saving. In other words, the messages trying to be conveying will simply fall flat. At that point, the only thing that can be done is to back away until a later time. This is similar to family members who argue, and must now separate.

In regards to your position in all of this, you should try to relax and not be swayed into doing something otherwise destructive towards yourself or others who may still benefit from you. You are a valuable member here, as are many others. Losing you is not something that can be called a victory by anyone, even your opponents.

 

[Idyele]

Any person for who you need to do a 'ritual' is not worth the time and effort.

If you cannot:............ obtain it through honesty, true love, just asking looking in her eyes, and she just cannot wait for you to ask her and her desire is infinite, and see what is next,............ there is no point.

Just go to a night club etc, get out with 3 girls who wants to suck you all night. No efforts, rewards 100X more than this useless person on which you do a ritual...

Also you need to ask a spirit to bring this person to you. This will be done by force, then you have to tell your victim , get naked , come to my house and do me like you never did it with anyone...

Still it will be not worth it, been there, done that...

 

[Jack]

Any person for who you need to do a 'ritual' is not worth the time and effort.

If you cannot:............ obtain it through honesty, true love, just asking looking in her eyes, and she just cannot wait for you to ask her and her desire is infinite, and see what is next,............ there is no point.

Just go to a night club etc, get out with 3 girls who wants to suck you all night. No efforts, rewards 100X more than this useless person on which you do a ritual...

Also you need to ask a spirit to bring this person to you. This will be done by force, then you have to tell your victim , get naked , come to my house and do me like you never did it with anyone...

Still it will be not worth it, been there, done that...

(((((3))))

 

[Aquarius]

Any person for who you need to do a 'ritual' is not worth the time and effort.

If you cannot:............ obtain it through honesty, true love, just asking looking in her eyes, and she just cannot wait for you to ask her and her desire is infinite, and see what is next,............ there is no point.

Just go to a night club etc, get out with 3 girls who wants to suck you all night. No efforts, rewards 100X more than this useless person on which you do a ritual...

Also you need to ask a spirit to bring this person to you. This will be done by force, then you have to tell your victim , get naked , come to my house and do me like you never did it with anyone...

Still it will be not worth it, been there, done that...

That's too much common sense.

 

[Dahaarkan]

You sympathize with the enemy narrative and trust it, justify it and try to enforce it here like it is a reality and like solutions are to be implemented. 

If you feel others are treated unjustly, which in your view is something of a lot of time and a real problematic situation, you don't sympathize and exaggerate your statements to fit profiling and narratives here. 

Ignoring the fact, that, JoS is healthier than ever, stronger and more elevated with factual implementation by the direct will of the Gods, in a time where this is more and more formally known and implemented, there's the narrative that somehow this isn't the case, accusations of direct defamation is stated, as a means to complement superficial the evolutions of things,  but done by the "opposition".

As it was already stated valid arguments and observations put forth together with ill will is not so much savior archetype.

Thank you for taking back the expression off mod mafia. Given benefit of the doubt here, this is very important as to generalize your statements onto a collective and group of people while insulting them for supposedly not being better is absolutely of a different premise. 

Everyone is welcomed here, and no one said the opposite or assessed opposition to new comers, especially older members.

This whole manifestation is of those weak people who met with great friction because of their malicious actions, immaturity and straight out attacking syndrome. If one wasn't as so in the first place, one became as so. And NOT because of the truth that opposed them here, but because that's what their nature was and is. 

Feelings and comfort is met at one point here. Everyone is unique, and they represent a certain trait of the astrology zodiac, and they guide and express themselves organically to the others. One is an elitist, one is polite another blablabla. Everyone suits a need for any and all SS to synergize and help themselves. 

JoS will never be a xianized gathering and hippies welcoming with flowers and bloom. These flowers are when you meditate. Things are very sacred here, with much heaviness and with utmost importance. 

This ego leveling is so pointless, It will always deflate at death, so when you die you understand how much fucking time you wasted, and how everything is so precious in life. JoS is beyond that death, far in the future for eons of generations, of your kids of kids and more than that. 

The seriousness of the tasks and shared concern here is way beyond bob and sally not being sucked on because of their delusional fantasies. 

However, with the above stated, everyone's level of life and soul IS to be respected. As a SS if you are stupid, I respect you, but I also expect for you to be stupid less in the future. 

The collective effort of wisdom and control, aspects fatherhood and motherhood concerning the creation of a strong community here, is always improved upon and this was never so much better. There are people here who came to a good understanding of life, and that in a mature view of things, is something extremely special and honorable. 

By the design of things people expect the worst as stated in a sermon. But from expecting into acting the worst, manipulating and put it on a trophy list while behaving like a raccoon who steals some ego points is beyond laughable. 

HP. HoodedCobra stated and talked about improving communication and relations within the community. Blitzkrieg did also an amazing reply one time. People are aware, improving and not making a fuss about it and bending it in weaknesses and pushing narratives because they feel entitled of the half truth they discovered and boiled half a century ago.

And about the personal remarks you did, about people hating you. Rise you head out of the ass checks, nobody hates you, and no one will. I can certainly hate the disunity caused the situation in itself, yet I don't personally. No one hates you here, but the enemy surely does, as for all of the other people here, they are also hated. 

You are smart, argumentative, energetic. Why don't you improve and you can do great things and not just confuse people with the re-imagination of the wheel.

I don't believe there is no spite against myself personally. There is a reason anytime I try to talk about issues, or give feedback, sometimes not even in inflammatory or provocative manner, it is immediately labelled as an attack or an attempt at pushing a jewish agenda. By you as well.

If foolish statements like such are not fueled by a desire to preserve ego, then it must come from spite. I do not believe any of the people who accuse me of such to actually be stupid enough to believe what they say about me. So what's the root of this if not spite.


I'm not ignoring that things have gotten better. I've stated repeatedly it's not as bad as it used to be. But there's still work to do to eradicate this. Like in another thread I just read the thoughts of a person who celebrates and draws entertainment from watching people being dogpiled and insulted.

This is a place of learning and elevation, not a circus. People shouldn't be encouraged, or enabled to carry out their fantasies of being the Satanic gordon ramsay talking down to people who are in need of guidance and education. This needs to be obliterated and people who celebrate or encourage this abhorrent behavior need to grow up.

I'm not saying we must jump to the other extreme where we sugar coat everything, cater for total idiots and delusional individuals. But find a middle ground, find balance. There is a time and place to let your aggression flow, and when someone is simply misguided, confused or emotionally imbalanced, isn't it.


I will say it again, the "jewish narrative", basically the "us vs the off mod crew" thing, was not created by me. It's unfortunate that people who are off mod and have done great with it, now get bundled into the same negative light. I shouldn't have contributed to that and I apologize.

The quicker you establish dialogue on this, the quicker you can put it to rest and deflate this bubble that has formed. Or you can ignore it, pretend it's not there and silence any talk of it, disregarding it as exaggeration or malicious defamation. And the problem will continue to fester in the background.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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My first time here I was labelled an alt account and had my relationship claimed to be invalid just because I stood up for my partner against an idiot who made a stab at jrvan for no reason, then covered it up as a joke. From there it was nearly non-stop “you’re a cuck” “you’re not a real man” “why you acting like an abused woman?” “swamp this swamp that” bullshit, and I was just run over because apparently girls can’t have a discussion with guys. Pretty retarded way to welcome new people.

I’m glad things have changed from then, but that was the atmosphere around here just little over half a year ago. Imagine being new, and you have to fight for breath just to exist in the forums because you’re not conforming to stereotypes. Why did that change? Jrvan and I didn’t back down about the issue and how we got treated until it finally exploded in a month long conflict under a thread that was just meant to be about sewing and had to be addressed officially.

Men vs women, my idea vs your idea, my method vs your method, established vs noobie, old vs new… Aside from the gender problems in the forums being settled and generally less levels of hostility, there’s still the rest of these duality issues that, I agree with you, would be nice if we could just discuss them.

I’m learning, jrvan’s learning, everyone’s just trying to learn and heal themselves. How are we supposed to feel comfortable here, when we’re not able to bring a different opinion to the table without recieving underhanded remarks and insults? Communication can be a barrier, worse off for those with Merc.R, but things would go much more smoothly without the deliberate attempts to twist words.

As others know, we came from a cult. There’s serious trauma from an experience like that, and to be around people who would rather see you gone and silently working on yourself instead of trying to make a difference around here or engaging with others… well, makes you feel like you’re better off alone than hanging around, dunnit?

We’re an extreme case but I’m sure there’s plenty of people coming here hoping to have a fresh start and not be subjected to repeating life patterns of mistreatment. We’re sensitive, so bloody what? People who carry wounds are going to be sensitive, and rubbing salt into them doesn’t help.

Like I said in a previous post, the issue stems from an individual who not only carried out this behavior, but due to his position tainted the whole group and made this behavior acceptable and the standard of how to treat people.

I am personally, a very stubborn and headstrong individual, and I can't be pushed away or harmed by words or statements thrown at my person. But I understand people, and how people work, how people think and how people feel. I've also been here for far longer than my post count would suggest. And although my posting activity is abysmal, I am always watching the forums and what's going on. Others will attempt to deflate the issue I'm discussing as insignificant or something of the past, but I strongly disagree.

Just because we've started being passive aggressive instead of spewing insults directly doesn't change anything.


And because of this I understand the mental and emotional state of many of the people who come here. They are desperately needing answers and support. And when they reach out their arm to someone for them to pull them back on their feet, and instead they start spitting and pissing on this person while they are down, it's normal that they will feel victimized, and will hate us and disassociate from us and everything we're a part of. And as if rubbing salt on the wound, some snob always comes up and states that since they left, they would always be worthless and not a true Satanist anyway. Victimizing someone, and then blaming the victim so they aren't held accountable for the loss of another Satanist.

It is infuriating that nobody takes responsibility for this kind of behavior. The ignorant and misguided are to be educated and elevated, not mocked or harassed for being so. We were all there at one point.


The worst cases is when people celebrate new members leaving. Like yeah cool, we have failed in our duty to elevate this person, round of applause guys. As for why people behave this way, I imagine there must be some fleeting feeling of power or status from talking down to people, and making others feel dumb or worthless. Nowadays this is mostly done in passive aggressive manner, as an attempt to go unnoticed. You can word your statements without a single direct insult, and still make someone feel insulted and mocked.

In the end people do this to feed their own egos and to feel powerful and important. Which everybody becomes infuriated when I state this fact, but there are people here who view and use the forums as a tool of inflating their ego.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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Dahaarkan and Tabby are right in regards to the degree of hostility that has been unduly shown to other Satanists. Hostility itself is separate from forcefulness, sternness, in that it is destructive. What is difficult is that it does not come from the inherent intentions of others, but usually as a result of frustration, or overzealous protection of Satanic tenets.

It is not always easy to create messages which are able to blend the 4 elements into a harmonious manner which still conveys the seriousness of Satanism without making the recipient feel attacked. This is why Libra is a preferred sign for Venus, because Libra is sort of like a blend of air, water, and earth.

Not all people respond as you do in regards to being treated harshly. In particular, sensitive people will feel hurt by the aggression. These sorts of people don't need to be broken down in the first place, as they are already receptive. Then only need to be told what to do, not shouted at, so to speak.

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You can tell how you should approach someone based on how they are responding to you. If they are flipping out in the thread, crying and yelling, then it is time to turn down the temperature and reassure them that you weren't trying to be mean, just serious.

What oftentimes worsens the situation is where people reply with "you are delusional" and then with nothing after it. This totally fails because it is not just overly destructive, but also it does not follow up with anything constructive for the recipient to grow with.

Of course, it does take time and effort to do these things properly, but navigating emotions and communication are not much different from the mechanical operation of physical items; it simply follows different rules. However, the principle is the same: if you aren't getting a positive outcome, then you have to change your inputs.

In the case of what a positive outcome is defined as, that would be someone who has happily accepted and is actively integrated Satanism (or whatever you are trying to teach) into their lives.

I'm glad you're a part of the first batch of Guardians. I've never seen you talking down to anybody, or displaying even the slightest level of personal spite in any of your interactions with others, even people who are frustrating to deal with. I'm sure at times you internally feel some contempt for someone, but you never let it show and that's excellent in my opinion.

I think you set a very good example. An example hopefully more will follow as we go forward.

 

[Jack]

I don't know what it is but people are just extremely sensitive nowadays. If dissenting opinions weren't allowed, they wouldn't be allowed. But they are.

The real problem is people being entitled to present their opinions and at the same time expect others to respect it. That's unfortunately not how the real world works. If you say something you will be open to criticism from everyone else. Just because you're afraid of confrontation doesn't mean others won't confront you.

I've been attacked ,berated and insulted throughout my life on a variety of occasions and that hasn't deterred me from speaking my mind. I was attacked by my uncle last year who was a heart surgeon on the issue of the vaccine and had a very heated debate about it. But I presented all the relevant documents to prove him wrong. He still doesn't speak to me because of that heated exchange. But I was prepared mentally to cut him out of my life to preserve my views.

The fact of the matter is that people who are looking for a perfect experience of life have to severely lower their expectations. Life doesn't go according to the way you want it to always. There are twists and turns. People disagree with you ,they provide dissenting views.

That is life. We have to deal with it.

Infact we need to train the young SS that are teenagers to become mentally prepared for real life. We need to prepare them for confrontation - when to engage ,when to deflect and when to ignore so they can manage their lives better. We need to prepare them Psychologically for a Dog eats Dog world. We need to prepare them to deflect toxic people and to attract people who are going to help you win and advance in life who aren't wasteful slobs.

One of my relatives who is extremely established and wealthy in his field was also extremely arrogant and berateful towards others at time. But I knew that if I maneuvered my way through his defenses he would teach me something. So I humbled myself before him and praised his ego because he was very boastful.

He taught me that as a young man he had struggled and came from nothing and processes and mindsets he was using. There's a mental ritual he taught me which I do everyday.

People have a very distorted view of happy and sad. They being influenced by media believe that when you have all the possessions, people and experiences in life you can then be happy. He taught me to completely change that baseline.

I have only three things I need to be happy
1)I'm not severely injured.
2)I have clothes, food and shelter.
3)I'm not enslaved to anyone else and my freedom hasn't been taken from me.

That's the state I'm always in. I go through adversity and I think to myself "I'm still well,alive and good. If I keep pushing myself forward, I'll eventually complete my goal." And that's how I'm always undisturbed by whatever is happening around me. That's how we need to teach every single SS to be .

We need them to condition them to lower their expectations about what constitutes happy and sad. We need to condition them to becoming like soldiers ,who will keep going forward no matter what happens to them. We need to condition them to process grief and loss like it's nothing. That's how we build a community of winners.

We need resourcefulness. We need strength, will and courage. We need soldiers. We need to condition these boys to be focused on the goals and be able to quickly come up with solutions to whatever adversity they face.

Everyone needs to fight. We need to struggle. We need to keep moving forward. We can't be sensitive pussies crying about everything. No opinions matter in the end of the day except those that make our lives a better place.

1)You have to acquire money and resources.
2)You have to become Competent and resourceful.
3)You need to know how to survive and build an aesthetic battle ready body at all times.
4)You need to learn how to attract and keep people similar to you ,I.e building a Social Network of winners.
5)You need to learn how to attract, retain and keep a woman who is high iq and healthy and tall ,so your kids become high iq ,tall and healthy.
6)You have to complete all of this quickly so you can really focus on your meditation.

You don't have time to focus on anything else. All of this stuff about emotions and women are solved easily when you're a successful man and you attract a compatible woman. If you can't take care of atleast 4 people financially - 1 wife and 2 kids you shouldn't even think about getting into a relationship with a woman. A Mans 20s is dedicated to building himself up to be the best man he can so he can then pick and choose from a variety of options what he sees fit. I'm not saying deny relationships with women if it comes your way but your focus needs to be on establishing yourself. The only real investment with women is kids. Women's and ours emotions change constantly. You might fall out of love with her and she might. So unless you have kids there isn't a hard foundation to stand upon. You need to have multiple kids with a woman. What matters eventually are the kids. Nothing else matters. We establish ourselves, get married, have a lot of kids, teach the kids the spiritual path so that they teach their kids ,and then you focus seriously on your meditation. That's it. Life is simple if you look at it that way.

All of this stuff about obsession and dealing with others people comes down to people having no goals ,living unremarkable lives with no drive to improve and frankly being worthless slobs. Like who cares what others think and who cares about if some bitch who left you. Stop trying to live life through the approval of others. The only things that matter is actions. If you're well on your way then nothing else matters.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Of course the heart surgeon disagrees with you. Giving young children permanent myocarditis and other permanent heart damage only means more customers and more money for himself.

 

[ForVery]

Hysterical? Other ways for this toxic behavior to exemplify yourself? I know you have the tendency to degrade everything at first sight, being a reaction of self defense, as reality is not as you want it to be.

However, you did attack the forum altogether with your extremely insulting remarks.

"The ranting and dictating rabbi behavior, holier than thou attitude is rapidly becoming the standard. I suppose we will only begin to truly address the problem when forum activity grinds to a halt" 

You have a problem with everyone and everything, with abrupt enthusiasm in which you manifest toxic behaviour and treat everything exactly as you accuse people of. You are ranting and dictating supposed problems and behavioral problems, while giving passive aggressive remarks. 

"Being the underdog" is a value you gave yourself to further pertain to people that you think are in need of your ideologies, ideas that are of neither benefit to anyone. 

All is fine, but the narrative of the mafia and other disrespecting remarks are to be stopped and put to the trash. If anyone ever would've said that to me personally, it would be the greatest insult ever. So trash this rabbinical behaviour you accuse people off. 

No one stands here to be spit insults like these in the forums. 

The forums are not just forums. This is a temple, everything is sacred. Your timing is also extremely unforgiving so as I already said, grow up.

Looking inward this may prove to be key to you. I myself think that I have looked inward more that you looked outside. Take that for a hysterical run or simply a joke.

Ignoring the literal "no u" bit, I have to say I disagree. There are certain members who have approached inexperienced people in unacceptable ways before, and I'm not talking about just recent examples, it's been happening for a long time, even long before off mod was a thing. And sometimes it still happens.

No ideology is being pushed here. I'm literally just asking that we all have more patience, restraint and respect especially for misguided people so we can keep them.


Stormblood for once is right about something that there are people who are riled up against some off mod members. To say that this was created by me, and not the years of abhorrent disrespectful behavior, and the people who were driven away by crude remarks and overly harsh and critical responses, is hilarious.

This is something I've been wanting to talk about for years. This isn't recent.

I retract the off mod mafia comment. I agree it is baity and divisive. But I still think there's a problem, albeit not as bad as it used to be. I think the worst person with this behavior has improved dramatically, I've been watching their posts and they are almost like a completely different person now and I think that's great.


I also never felt like the underdog, or said that I felt that way. Maybe you see me that way because you have some inflated sense of status?

I'll remind you again that the above wasn't directed at any specific persons, but you still feel personally insulted by it. I said already the people who have shit behavior are a small minority. So why are you attempting to twist my post as if I'm saying all off mod members are trash. Almost all of them are great, almost.

I'd encourage all of you, who clearly want to actively be a part of the forums on a daily basis, to watch the people who were selected to be Guardians, and learn from their example. And compare the way they convey themselves and their message over the years to yours.


I do not want to divide the forums or pit people against each other. I want talk. When you make these posts, desperately attempting to silence any dialogue on this, you only give ammo to the people who actually are attempting to divide the group.

You're quite right. I didn't stray from the forums for nothing. I'd rather meditate and talk to the gods than have it happen that way.

 

[Jack]

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Of course the heart surgeon disagrees with you. Giving young children permanent myocarditis and other permanent heart damage only means more customers and more money for himself.

I was actually shocked and appalled at how compartmentalized doctors are in their field. It almost seems like mainstream science is like a religion to them and they are the high priest and they attack anyone who disagrees with them.

 

[Jrvan]

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This whole drama between you and other members is rapidly turning from something that could be constructive into one that is destructive and traumatizing.

I spent some time reading through different interactions between you and others to try and understand where each party was going wrong. However, conveying these sorts of things takes an extensive amount of time, and the solution is always simply the advancement of the afflicted areas anyway.

Perhaps you are feeling something similar in regards to the burden or stress caused by simultaneously trying to defuse the situation, defend yourself, argue your points, and do so in a manner that is not overly aggressive, nor overly soft.

Instead of getting stressed by all of this, culminating in you feeling dejected and detached from JOS, this whole thing should be dropped. Not dropped in the sense of giving up the argument, but rather for lowering the stress of all parties involved. This goes not just to you, but the others as well.

I have said before that communications that have risen to the level of name-calling, insults, and other overly aggressive interactions are beyond the point of saving. In other words, the messages trying to be conveying will simply fall flat. At that point, the only thing that can be done is to back away until a later time. This is similar to family members who argue, and must now separate.

In regards to your position in all of this, you should try to relax and not be swayed into doing something otherwise destructive towards yourself or others who may still benefit from you. You are a valuable member here, as are many others. Losing you is not something that can be called a victory by anyone, even your opponents.

Thank you for taking the time and effort to understand my thoughts and feelings. I truly appreciate it. You're stepping into your new role really well already. I agree with your assessment and advice, and yes it would be a sort of pyrrhic victory for them while the true cost might be to other forum members who might benefit from my contributions. However, I've suffered too many slights and indignities while staying here, and watched in confusion and disgust as people were far too comfortable with twisting words and lying about what I said, and generally all the usual manipulative argument tactics. And all for what? The only thing I can think of is that they're doing it for an audience, and want to be seen as the dominant victor at all costs. I couldn't bring myself to believe that prominent members here would go that far for their pride, and lie in a lair of truth - and that was my weakness. I expected too much of certain prominent people here. It's straight up malicious if they're conscious of what they are doing, and if they aren't conscious of it then they erroneously believe themselves to be the heroes in these situations. It makes no sense to me with my value system. My honor and integrity would never allow me to slander others and lie about what they have said in order to win an argument, especially for the goal of standing above them to a crowd.

With my nature, I can't exist here in this environment. It's not good for me. If the people in question aren't actually being malicious and are in fact unconscious of what they are doing then I would at least request them to actually bother to fully read the things I have said which they have argued against, and make an effort to fully digest and comprehend what I've said and realize what I have not said. I always work hard to select my words very carefully, and if it can't be taken exactly as it is but instead replaced with runaway assumptions and perceived implications which aren't there, then I'm at a loss and have to accept that people are going to falsely interpret my words in whatever way they want. Since I can't accept that AND stay here, I have to leave. I can't stand to be in an environment containing people like that and waste my time engaging in discussion with them when they won't even take the time to properly understand my words.

So you see, it has nothing to do with them rejecting my message in favor of their own argument. If I can't convince someone then I'm not bothered by it. The problem is when people misinterpret what I've said, and to me it very much looks like deliberate misinterpretation which angers me and baffles me as to why they would do such a thing. I've tried to understand their motives, and I inevitably come to the same conclusions as Dahaarkan. I do suspect malicious, self-serving intent, and this is not in line with the forums and it doesn't put Father first. I don't agree with such glory seeking behavior when it's destructive to our unified goals. From my perspective, they are putting themselves and their ambitions before Father... and I consider that a betrayal. Truth should always be supreme here, and that is my firm opinion.

...

You still truly believe that feelings and being sensitive makes someone weak, but you're wrong. A man can be all of those positive things you said, and still be sensitive. Vulnerability is not weakness, it's the opposite. Being vulnerable takes courage and builds true strength and true confidence. People who hide their vulnerability are the truly fragile ones. It's born of the need to protect one's self. If you protect your heart from everyone, and never take risk then you will never truly let anyone in, you will never heal, and you will never grow stronger. When your heart becomes truly strong, it no longer needs to be protected so hard with an impenetrable shield blocking everyone from connecting with you. The strength you preach of is a false strength, and only belongs to a wounded child who is afraid of life and getting hurt. Healthy men don't need to clutch their hearts away from everyone out of fear of getting hurt again.

You can remain as you are. As for everyone else who wants to be healthy humans, we don't want to be dead inside like you are. Don't presume you can condition others to be fragile, insensitive individuals like yourself. You will never succeed in converting the healthy people of the JoS into carbon copies of yourself and your false mold of what a man is. Sensitivity is healthy and normal. Feelings are important, and are not to be disregarded and mocked as if they don't matter. To do so is to be a bully.

And love does exist objectively for everyone. Subjective feelings can be observed objectively in humans, and anyone can identify these same feelings in others when they are present. If you're willing then maybe you could ask Astarte to teach you what the true meaning of love really is.

 

[Jack]

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Feelings are not that important. What matters is movement, expansion and action. Your feelings change every day ,with every week. If you base your life on feelings, you have failed as a Yogi. More importantly feelings cannot not be felt. No matter what you do your going to feel feelings. The only thing to master in life is to be able to process emotions correctly. Regardless of Gender one must use Reason to make decisions and not feelings. This is the difference between a wreck of a life and a successful life. You demonstrated your inability to advise anyone because you cannot rise above your feelings and thus you couldn't advise someone else to rise upon their feelings and see reason in a situation.

Love is different for everyone. No one can tell me now that you know what true love is and I don't. For example whatever Fuchs is feeling about this girl is love ,even though it's infatuation. Obsession ,Dependency ,Compassion, Compatibility everything for everyone is a form of love. Love is not Objective because it doesn't exist for everyone universally as the same. Anger is Objective because everyone feels the same feeling throughout the Human Race regardless of their circumstances. Love is an extrapolation of various emotions and feelings in a mesh that are Objective for a particular person but aren't universal. Infact while being in love ,the other person might not be experiencing the same emotions and feelings as you are. Love isn't felt the same by the same person for two different individuals. For Example - One girl is sexy and independent and spicy and doesn't listen and another is Calm ,dependent and compliant. I love both of them. But the Love I feel for both is different because they are borne out of different emotions.

And I never said you can't be vulnerable with others. Ofcourse as a matter of principle you have to be vulnerable with people who have your back and are your friends and close ones.

You can't however be sensitive. Being sensitive makes you a failure in life because you are ill equipped to take on burdens and challenges that come your way. Being too sensitive makes you paralyzed and unable to perform your best because your life is dependent upon other people's approval and disapproval.

Fragility is death. Strength is Power and Will is direction. Your life is testament to your will. There is a reason why you had to go through Rites of Passage in ancient times to ascend from the status of being a boy into a man. Because you have to kill your fragile and sensitive state and become strong. That should be true for women as well. The entire cancel culture is based upon weaponized sensitivity. While they call others "White Fragility " they cancel people because they are triggered.

You are dead inside. You have no will of your own. Your entire Philosophy and ideology comes from an extrapolation of the feelings of a victimized teenager. Which is why you prioritize feelings and emotions and which is why you will never actualize your own potential.

If I was sensitive and someone called me fat ,I would rationalize it and blame the other person for being berateful.

If I was sensitive and was called a worthless piece of trash for wasting my hours in life ,I would rationalize and blame the Bankers along with the corporations who have a lot of blame but blaming others does nothing to improve my life.

If I was sensitive and a person who came up to be and berated me constantly, I would be paralyzed and emotionally Triggered all the time to check that person or to act.

You were and are weak because you've learnt nothing in a year of meditation. You've wasted your time and your wasting time right now.

Go look at the mirror and see if you value the person standing infront of you. And then remember - You deserve this.

 

[Aquarius]

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Feelings are not that important. What matters is movement, expansion and action. Your feelings change every day ,with every week. If you base your life on feelings, you have failed as a Yogi. More importantly feelings cannot not be felt. No matter what you do your going to feel feelings. The only thing to master in life is to be able to process emotions correctly. Regardless of Gender one must use Reason to make decisions and not feelings. This is the difference between a wreck of a life and a successful life. You demonstrated your inability to advise anyone because you cannot rise above your feelings and thus you couldn't advise someone else to rise upon their feelings and see reason in a situation.

Love is different for everyone. No one can tell me now that you know what true love is and I don't. For example whatever Fuchs is feeling about this girl is love ,even though it's infatuation. Obsession ,Dependency ,Compassion, Compatibility everything for everyone is a form of love. Love is not Objective because it doesn't exist for everyone universally as the same. Anger is Objective because everyone feels the same feeling throughout the Human Race regardless of their circumstances. Love is an extrapolation of various emotions and feelings in a mesh that are Objective for a particular person but aren't universal. Infact while being in love ,the other person might not be experiencing the same emotions and feelings as you are. Love isn't felt the same by the same person for two different individuals. For Example - One girl is sexy and independent and spicy and doesn't listen and another is Calm ,dependent and compliant. I love both of them. But the Love I feel for both is different because they are borne out of different emotions.

And I never said you can't be vulnerable with others. Ofcourse as a matter of principle you have to be vulnerable with people who have your back and are your friends and close ones.

You can't however be sensitive. Being sensitive makes you a failure in life because you are ill equipped to take on burdens and challenges that come your way. Being too sensitive makes you paralyzed and unable to perform your best because your life is dependent upon other people's approval and disapproval.

Fragility is death. Strength is Power and Will is direction. Your life is testament to your will. There is a reason why you had to go through Rites of Passage in ancient times to ascend from the status of being a boy into a man. Because you have to kill your fragile and sensitive state and become strong. That should be true for women as well. The entire cancel culture is based upon weaponized sensitivity. While they call others "White Fragility " they cancel people because they are triggered.

You are dead inside. You have no will of your own. Your entire Philosophy and ideology comes from an extrapolation of the feelings of a victimized teenager. Which is why you prioritize feelings and emotions and which is why you will never actualize your own potential.

If I was sensitive and someone called me fat ,I would rationalize it and blame the other person for being berateful.

If I was sensitive and was called a worthless piece of trash for wasting my hours in life ,I would rationalize and blame the Bankers along with the corporations who have a lot of blame but blaming others does nothing to improve my life.

If I was sensitive and a person who came up to be and berated me constantly, I would be paralyzed and emotionally Triggered all the time to check that person or to act.

You were and are weak because you've learnt nothing in a year of meditation. You've wasted your time and your wasting time right now.

Go look at the mirror and see if you value the person standing infront of you. And then remember - You deserve this.

Being sensitive is not equal to being a slave to your emotions, I am sensitive, I still get shit done and don't let that affect me if anyone hurts me. Even in one of Maxine's sermons she said that when she was speaking with Satan on Duat he had tears in his eyes when describing the situation on Earth, that's being sensitive, emphatic, whatever you wanna call it. There's a difference between a sensitive individual who gets hurt and cries about it and gets nothing done and someone who gets hurt, understands and moves on.

 

[Dahaarkan]

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Jack something you need to understand, but well, trying to explain anything to you is like banging my head on a wall but here we go again.

Cunts like you and me do not represent the majority. Others are more sensitive, and some are very sensitive to these things while their souls are polluted and impaired by a lack of meditation over many years.


We should at least be patient enough to give these people a chance to clean themselves, empower and strengthen themselves. It's a bit like raising children, you don't throw a kid out into the world before they are ready, before you give them a chance to mature and grow.

In the same way I think there should be restraint and some patience when dealing with people who are misguided or saying stupid shit. Simply because in their state, they are fragile and emotionally imbalanced most of the time.


I know you have the complete opposite opinion, and will bring up the 1 in a million kids who grew in abhorrent conditions and became an upstanding man in his life. But the truth is, most people don't grow from a harsh environment. A vast majority of people are broken by harshness rather than growing from it.

And sure, stubborn cunts like us can't be broken by this stuff, but others can. And it's not fair to apply the same principle to every person in the world. There's no reason why we shouldn't try to create a pleasant and welcoming atmosphere here, and have restraint.

 

[Dahaarkan]

Jack do you mind if I bully you a little bit?

I just think it's unbelievably precious your edgy statements on love and feelings, paired with the eren profile pic, it's just...perfect.

Reiner...we live in a society...where love doesn't matter. Feelings don't matter. All that matters is movement. I just keep moving forward, until my enemies are destroyed.

 

[Jrvan]

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Feelings are not that important. What matters is movement, expansion and action. Your feelings change every day ,with every week. If you base your life on feelings, you have failed as a Yogi. More importantly feelings cannot not be felt. No matter what you do your going to feel feelings. The only thing to master in life is to be able to process emotions correctly. Regardless of Gender one must use Reason to make decisions and not feelings. This is the difference between a wreck of a life and a successful life. You demonstrated your inability to advise anyone because you cannot rise above your feelings and thus you couldn't advise someone else to rise upon their feelings and see reason in a situation.

Love is different for everyone. No one can tell me now that you know what true love is and I don't. For example whatever Fuchs is feeling about this girl is love ,even though it's infatuation. Obsession ,Dependency ,Compassion, Compatibility everything for everyone is a form of love. Love is not Objective because it doesn't exist for everyone universally as the same. Anger is Objective because everyone feels the same feeling throughout the Human Race regardless of their circumstances. Love is an extrapolation of various emotions and feelings in a mesh that are Objective for a particular person but aren't universal. Infact while being in love ,the other person might not be experiencing the same emotions and feelings as you are. Love isn't felt the same by the same person for two different individuals. For Example - One girl is sexy and independent and spicy and doesn't listen and another is Calm ,dependent and compliant. I love both of them. But the Love I feel for both is different because they are borne out of different emotions.

And I never said you can't be vulnerable with others. Ofcourse as a matter of principle you have to be vulnerable with people who have your back and are your friends and close ones.

You can't however be sensitive. Being sensitive makes you a failure in life because you are ill equipped to take on burdens and challenges that come your way. Being too sensitive makes you paralyzed and unable to perform your best because your life is dependent upon other people's approval and disapproval.

Fragility is death. Strength is Power and Will is direction. Your life is testament to your will. There is a reason why you had to go through Rites of Passage in ancient times to ascend from the status of being a boy into a man. Because you have to kill your fragile and sensitive state and become strong. That should be true for women as well. The entire cancel culture is based upon weaponized sensitivity. While they call others "White Fragility " they cancel people because they are triggered.

You are dead inside. You have no will of your own. Your entire Philosophy and ideology comes from an extrapolation of the feelings of a victimized teenager. Which is why you prioritize feelings and emotions and which is why you will never actualize your own potential.

If I was sensitive and someone called me fat ,I would rationalize it and blame the other person for being berateful.

If I was sensitive and was called a worthless piece of trash for wasting my hours in life ,I would rationalize and blame the Bankers along with the corporations who have a lot of blame but blaming others does nothing to improve my life.

If I was sensitive and a person who came up to be and berated me constantly, I would be paralyzed and emotionally Triggered all the time to check that person or to act.

You were and are weak because you've learnt nothing in a year of meditation. You've wasted your time and your wasting time right now.

Go look at the mirror and see if you value the person standing infront of you. And then remember - You deserve this.

You say all this, and yet you're the one getting triggered here. I'm not going to bother pointing it out to you. I feel almost embarrassed on your behalf. There's seething anger behind your words directed towards me. In fact, I felt a terrible energy directed at me shortly before I read your message, and it was disgusting. Did you pop a vein while thinking about me? Sheesh.

 

[tabby]

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Take a step back, Jack, and re-examine your own growth and behaviour on the forums since you've been here.

 

[Osiris Silvio]

What exactly does energy ripping have to do with this working

Torturing someone you'd like to be in a relationship with is an alpha move. Infact it's the best way to enter into a relationship. Other advanced techniques require a basement, a bunch of chains and a ball gag.

(This is sarcasm above ^)

Here come the psychopathic vibes

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Cool pictures.

 

[FancyMancy]

Feelings are not that important.

I petition to do a GoFundMe page to raise enough money so that we can pay for Jack to have a lobotomy. WYeah, feelings aren't important - because when we're using Feelings Energies to make a working more powerful, iT'S jUsT nOt ImPoRtAnT. Cathartics ArE nOt ImPoRtAnT. The parts of our Minds and Souls - our Hearts - ArE nOt ImPoRtAnT. If feelings weren't important, we'd all be Sheldon (or Sheila, for the Girls) Coopers from the Big Bang Theory, or Spock from you-know-where. We'd all be robots and dead inside. Bleep-bloop, bloop-bleep? Such discordant tripe.

It seems like Jack is getting off on this attention here. Sitting on the computer or phone, posting crap. Instead of doing that, tell the boss at work to go... away.

 

[Shadowcat]

Here is the story:

After I had to move lost 95% of my social contacts, including cutting ties to family by 90%, lived in isolation over many months du to lockdown, I used the time to finish most of the JOS German. After long lonley months, I found the girl, with which I want to spend the rest of my live with, this was also predicted from a solar return by Lydia, as a significant love interest. Everything was fine, she didn´t want to have a relationship first, but after some time she did agree to it. I have a fix star which does lead to relationships end always bad for me, Lydia did suggest to do a venus square, but I kind off did forget about it. I thought this time everything goes well, I helped her with her problems, she did help me with my problems, we did complement each other. We didn´t had one fight. At some point we spend a longer time together, du to this her friendships did suffer which she didn´t liked. I told her that´s no problem for me, we can spend less time together. At the same time her work load did increase like 400%, so I did leave her alone so she could fokus on work and meet her friends. After 2 weeks I did got a message from her that she want´s to break up with me, because she said we do not fit together in the long run. I totaly was crashed and didn´t understand the world anymore. The next day I did visit without telling her before at home, wanted to talk to her, she was mad at me because she did work 12h and now has to talk with me. I did had to take all my stuff from her place and go home. Just before venus did go retrograde I started a love working not the best date, moon in gemini. Prior to this I started the Zasitr working either moon in taurus or gemini. At home desperately, I got a call in the middle of the night supprisingly of someone, which did lead me contacting someone else this person did help me analyse the problem, that she is afraid of to close ties, got the idear to write her a letter. Did write 4 pages explaining why whe are a good couple etc. Because of this she did agree to see me again and did invite me to a party with her friends for new jear. The party was fun, but at some point her best girlfiend did talk to me, how I feel etc, I said I´m here I´m fine. After talking I walked away and suddenly did have this giant feeling of sorrow on me. I´m usually not an empathic person, but this feelings were not from me. My Girlfriend (white) was approched by a black guy, asking her if everything between them is fine and if they stay in contact, my girlfriend did reply jes. After some time a other friend of her did ask me if I´m jealous. I replyed as I was young, crazy, nowadays middle level, he walked away. During the party she was dancing with the black guy, after some time they started kissing each other, the black guy did say: not infront of your boyfriend. I was a little mad, but thought don´t make a cene (she was drunk and the party people overal were rather open people). After the party I drove her back at her place and said to her she is a good girlfriend and there is no reason why I should think otherwise, she kind of did deny this, but didn´t want to talk why she thinks she is not a good girlfriend. I stayed another day at her place. Originaly we sayed I should go home in two days. We live long away from each other. Suddenly the thought in my mind poped up, if I go, I will never see her again, my Body did start shaking, all the negative emotions thoughts did increase after 3 mins, I thought just ask her, if you can stay longer so I asked her, if it is ok if I go in 4 days. She got mad and yelled at me I can go now, because I disturb her from doing things. From feeling sorrow my mood changed to rage: I yelled at her why do you treat me like this? What have I done to you? She was a little scared of me, because she thought, I would hurt her, which I never would. After she did realise I won´t hurt her, she did grab all my stuff and I again did have to go. She did ask me to write a message when I´m home. At the moment we are in contact, she did say we can see each other, but not more. Didn´t see her since then, she was on a longer vaccation.

I can´t afford for my mental wellbeing to lose her, also I don´t want to meet a other girl from which I don´t know what the next big problem will be, that crushes the relationship (have to do that venus square)/also don´t want any other. I don´t like it, if she does racemixing, or sleep with other guys (I don´t know for sure).

Also asked my GD for guidance, how I can make her happy and get her back, my black candle flame did increase and the candle did melt rather quick, within 15 minutes the wax formed a penis like structure.

What would be your solution?

She literally kissed a black guy when you two were dating?
That would be enough to block her on any social media and never see her again.
You see, here's your problem, you have let this feeling of infatuation cloud your mind COMPLETELY, this you should not have let it happened.
Now that you post this story it's evident that you are obsessed with this girl, you want to bind her to you against her will, this is madness on your part, the feeling of infatuation has clouded any kind of logical judgement. Do you have any kind of self respect for yourself? She kissed a black guy in front of you., Do you realize that this is extremely fucked up?
You need to move on.

She is the last person who I care about and cares about me, I will just do the sex binding. If the gods punish me for this, I don´t care. I can´t just meditate, I need atleast one person close to me.

Fuck that dude, have some self respect! You are of Satan FFS. You want to do a working?? Do a general working to attract the best possible partner for you and start a venus square in April.

You are basically settling for less because you don't want to be lonely and are desperate.

 

[Jack]

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Feelings are not that important. What matters is movement, expansion and action. Your feelings change every day ,with every week. If you base your life on feelings, you have failed as a Yogi. More importantly feelings cannot not be felt. No matter what you do your going to feel feelings. The only thing to master in life is to be able to process emotions correctly. Regardless of Gender one must use Reason to make decisions and not feelings. This is the difference between a wreck of a life and a successful life. You demonstrated your inability to advise anyone because you cannot rise above your feelings and thus you couldn't advise someone else to rise upon their feelings and see reason in a situation.

Love is different for everyone. No one can tell me now that you know what true love is and I don't. For example whatever Fuchs is feeling about this girl is love ,even though it's infatuation. Obsession ,Dependency ,Compassion, Compatibility everything for everyone is a form of love. Love is not Objective because it doesn't exist for everyone universally as the same. Anger is Objective because everyone feels the same feeling throughout the Human Race regardless of their circumstances. Love is an extrapolation of various emotions and feelings in a mesh that are Objective for a particular person but aren't universal. Infact while being in love ,the other person might not be experiencing the same emotions and feelings as you are. Love isn't felt the same by the same person for two different individuals. For Example - One girl is sexy and independent and spicy and doesn't listen and another is Calm ,dependent and compliant. I love both of them. But the Love I feel for both is different because they are borne out of different emotions.

And I never said you can't be vulnerable with others. Ofcourse as a matter of principle you have to be vulnerable with people who have your back and are your friends and close ones.

You can't however be sensitive. Being sensitive makes you a failure in life because you are ill equipped to take on burdens and challenges that come your way. Being too sensitive makes you paralyzed and unable to perform your best because your life is dependent upon other people's approval and disapproval.

Fragility is death. Strength is Power and Will is direction. Your life is testament to your will. There is a reason why you had to go through Rites of Passage in ancient times to ascend from the status of being a boy into a man. Because you have to kill your fragile and sensitive state and become strong. That should be true for women as well. The entire cancel culture is based upon weaponized sensitivity. While they call others "White Fragility " they cancel people because they are triggered.

You are dead inside. You have no will of your own. Your entire Philosophy and ideology comes from an extrapolation of the feelings of a victimized teenager. Which is why you prioritize feelings and emotions and which is why you will never actualize your own potential.

If I was sensitive and someone called me fat ,I would rationalize it and blame the other person for being berateful.

If I was sensitive and was called a worthless piece of trash for wasting my hours in life ,I would rationalize and blame the Bankers along with the corporations who have a lot of blame but blaming others does nothing to improve my life.

If I was sensitive and a person who came up to be and berated me constantly, I would be paralyzed and emotionally Triggered all the time to check that person or to act.

You were and are weak because you've learnt nothing in a year of meditation. You've wasted your time and your wasting time right now.

Go look at the mirror and see if you value the person standing infront of you. And then remember - You deserve this.

Being sensitive is not equal to being a slave to your emotions, I am sensitive, I still get shit done and don't let that affect me if anyone hurts me. Even in one of Maxine's sermons she said that when she was speaking with Satan on Duat he had tears in his eyes when describing the situation on Earth, that's being sensitive, emphatic, whatever you wanna call it. There's a difference between a sensitive individual who gets hurt and cries about it and gets nothing done and someone who gets hurt, understands and moves on.

I'm not talking about people close to you. Ofcourse your going to be Sensitive with those people who you've placed your trust in.

 

[Jack]

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Feelings are not that important. What matters is movement, expansion and action. Your feelings change every day ,with every week. If you base your life on feelings, you have failed as a Yogi. More importantly feelings cannot not be felt. No matter what you do your going to feel feelings. The only thing to master in life is to be able to process emotions correctly. Regardless of Gender one must use Reason to make decisions and not feelings. This is the difference between a wreck of a life and a successful life. You demonstrated your inability to advise anyone because you cannot rise above your feelings and thus you couldn't advise someone else to rise upon their feelings and see reason in a situation.

Love is different for everyone. No one can tell me now that you know what true love is and I don't. For example whatever Fuchs is feeling about this girl is love ,even though it's infatuation. Obsession ,Dependency ,Compassion, Compatibility everything for everyone is a form of love. Love is not Objective because it doesn't exist for everyone universally as the same. Anger is Objective because everyone feels the same feeling throughout the Human Race regardless of their circumstances. Love is an extrapolation of various emotions and feelings in a mesh that are Objective for a particular person but aren't universal. Infact while being in love ,the other person might not be experiencing the same emotions and feelings as you are. Love isn't felt the same by the same person for two different individuals. For Example - One girl is sexy and independent and spicy and doesn't listen and another is Calm ,dependent and compliant. I love both of them. But the Love I feel for both is different because they are borne out of different emotions.

And I never said you can't be vulnerable with others. Ofcourse as a matter of principle you have to be vulnerable with people who have your back and are your friends and close ones.

You can't however be sensitive. Being sensitive makes you a failure in life because you are ill equipped to take on burdens and challenges that come your way. Being too sensitive makes you paralyzed and unable to perform your best because your life is dependent upon other people's approval and disapproval.

Fragility is death. Strength is Power and Will is direction. Your life is testament to your will. There is a reason why you had to go through Rites of Passage in ancient times to ascend from the status of being a boy into a man. Because you have to kill your fragile and sensitive state and become strong. That should be true for women as well. The entire cancel culture is based upon weaponized sensitivity. While they call others "White Fragility " they cancel people because they are triggered.

You are dead inside. You have no will of your own. Your entire Philosophy and ideology comes from an extrapolation of the feelings of a victimized teenager. Which is why you prioritize feelings and emotions and which is why you will never actualize your own potential.

If I was sensitive and someone called me fat ,I would rationalize it and blame the other person for being berateful.

If I was sensitive and was called a worthless piece of trash for wasting my hours in life ,I would rationalize and blame the Bankers along with the corporations who have a lot of blame but blaming others does nothing to improve my life.

If I was sensitive and a person who came up to be and berated me constantly, I would be paralyzed and emotionally Triggered all the time to check that person or to act.

You were and are weak because you've learnt nothing in a year of meditation. You've wasted your time and your wasting time right now.

Go look at the mirror and see if you value the person standing infront of you. And then remember - You deserve this.

You say all this, and yet you're the one getting triggered here. I'm not going to bother pointing it out to you. I feel almost embarrassed on your behalf. There's seething anger behind your words directed towards me. In fact, I felt a terrible energy directed at me shortly before I read your message, and it was disgusting. Did you pop a vein while thinking about me? Sheesh.

Yes I've been very conflicted after you called me out. Which is why I got triggered and started sending negative energies in all directions (like Freeza in DBZ). I've been tearing up after deciding to get in touch with my sensitive side too.

I woke up today crying and feeling sad about myself. My gf was cooking lunch and saw that I was crying while brushing my teeth. She asked ne what was wrong with me and I told her that I was a very sensitive person and that the world didn't care about me. She started touching my abs and telling me "Oh your so strong you'll get over it." I then absolutely lost it with that unappreciative bitch and broke up with her then and there. A woman who doesn't appreciate a man crying Is not a "real woman". I decided to get in touch with my Strong Independent Feminist Ex and I thought she'd appreciate my crying and whining. But she told me she was in Malaysia Making money and being a "Boss Babe" and that I was a little bitch for trying to talk to her again. She made me cry again. What a sad situation.

I needed a woman like Tabby who would take me for who I am. I called in sick to work today and I told the manager "I'm going through a phase of getting in touch with my feelings. I have a lot of stuff to say to you about putting me under undue pressure. You don't put the women under that pressure you Androgynist cunt." And hung up the phone.

I realized that I deserve appreciation and understanding from the world. I went through a very rough childhood. I was part of a Far Right street gang. No one gave me money for education and I got a scholarship. It's pretty bad out here man I tell you. I deserve to rise to the top of the ranks and become the manager. I want to cry all day but society won't let me. All I wanted to do in life was get my dick wet and cry my eyes out when someone rejected me. And now I have to do all this extra shit.

We Satanists need to lick each other's wounds on this forum and appreciate each other. I thank everyone for this safe space where I can be who I am without any kind of interference. I come to this forum to cry and whine about my life and then I receive words of appreciation like "You are Good enough" ," There's nothing wrong with you" "Humans are assholes. Except us." Then I feel very happy. I however come on this forum regularly because my female boss berates me for slacking off and doesn't appreciate my sensitive nature. She obviously hates herself. I wonder how her husband puts us with her. Jrvan has opened my eyes. I thank Jrvan for being a guiding light.

My next goal is to become a fat piece of trash and get perpetually triggered when someone tells me that I'm fat. Fuck them. I am good as I am. Might is Right. I'll just use magick to make them accept me for being fat. I'll use magick to convince everyone that I'm awesome. It doesn't matter what I think about myself, what matters is what others think about me.

 

[Jack]

Jack do you mind if I bully you a little bit?

I just think it's unbelievably precious your edgy statements on love and feelings, paired with the eren profile pic, it's just...perfect.

Reiner...we live in a society...where love doesn't matter. Feelings don't matter. All that matters is movement. I just keep moving forward, until my enemies are destroyed.

I have that pasted on the side of my desk but I removed the "until I Exterminate my enemies" bit. Because that'd be too Edgy.

 

[Jack]

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Take a step back, Jack, and re-examine your own growth and behaviour on the forums since you've been here.

I have a bunch of random pics for you too.

And tell your husband to stop bullying me okay ? I'm going to complain to HP Hoodedcobra that one of the kids in class keeps bullying me. I don't appreciate it. I'm sick and tired of his verbal abuse. If he doesn't stop ill just use my "Might is Right" TM magick to make him like me so that we can be friends.