Stormblood
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jrvan said:Stormblood said:jrvan said:The application of a working like this doesn't seem all that malevolent to me when you take certain situations into consideration. For example, you're with a girl who won't put out as often as you like but you still want to be with her. This could get your sexual needs met so you can continue the relationship. Or you score with a 10/10 who has an incredible sex drive and wants sex all the time, and you want to ensure that she only has sex with you.
Just off the top of my head.
Why? She's not a sex toy. If she doesn't want to have sex as often as you'd like, she shouldn't be forced to. Everyone has different needs in terms of sex. In a relationship, both people compromise to a degree. Otherwise, it's no relationship, it's slavery. Both persons need to understand each other needs and compromise to meet them in the middle.
If her sex drive is 2/10 and yours is 10/10, you can meet at 6. For the rest, just go wank or you'll be damaging her psychologically.
Other examples: if you both like bananas, then obviously you can use bananas. If one of you likes apples and the other is indifferent to apples, then it's a fair compromise to use them in a minor way. If one of you likes artichokes but the other is against artichokes, then no artichokes are going to used, as they would not be pleasurable for the other person.
Always thinking of both in a relationship is key, rather than being selfish. Using this in the way you imagined, is akin to the abrahamic religious value of considering women inferior and your own personal properties/objects without a voice/choice. It's the same as raping them. Thankfully, many countries have upgraded to the fact that it is possible to rape your spouse. Previously, any sex between spouses was considered legitimate, even if one of them was forcing themselves upon the other, which is basically what this application you mentioned is all about.
If your wife doesn't want to have sex in a certain moment or as often as you'd like, that's her business and she's free to say no, as she has her own will and identity that is separate from yours. Same if the situation is reversed and it's the wife who wants it and husband doesn't.
Why are you bringing my wife into this? Mind your own fucking business. This has nothing to do with us, and you don't know a thing about our relationship. You have some nerve.
And again, you're drawing your own moral lines and seeking to impose them on others. Comparing it to rape is childish. If you have sexual needs and you do magick on another person to influence their emotions and get them in the mood more often, and to desire you more often then I don't see it as any different from all the other thousands of things that influence one's emotions every single day. Maybe all the subtle little things in the universe as well as all the events happening in the world all around me every day are raping me to feel a certain way. Grow up or else go be a saint somewhere else. You're just harassing people at this point over your difference of views.
You do know in English "you" as pronoun is used to refer to the general crowd, not just to a specific person? Try to re-read my post keeping that in mind, obviously after you cleaned your aura. You may read it from another perspective. Again, I am not talking about Tabby. I'm speaking in general. Don't worry. Ol Argedco understood it pretty well. Obviously, I am also not saying that he agrees 100% with what I said, as I cannot speak for him.
If after doing that, you still think that raping other people is correct and that you have the right to decide what's best for the other person, then it's beyond me to make you understand how wrong that sounds. There may be astrological reasons why someone has low or high sex drive, and they may not want to change it. Why would you want to force that change upon them? In doing so, you are harming them psychologically, taking the power to make their own decisions away from them, essentially slowly creating a slave to your will. Someone like that is obviously self-centred and cannot see deeper than their own whims.
What someone thinks is best for their loved one, it isn't necessarily best for them. It may be unwanted and their loved one may actually be wiser, know best. Yet, lack the power the back it up, as wisdom and power in most people are misaligned in growth. So you may end up forcing on themselves something that is going to set them back in advanced just because you want to and you think your will is supreme.
Thinking things through is important, and considering other people in your decisions is also important. That is all I am trying to say. You can drag this out longer if you want, but I have said everything I needed.
Fuchs said:3. Is there free will? If marriages and other good working love relationships can break, just because a planet does spin the other way (Venus retrograde)? If a planet is allowed to influence people so is every SS.
Yes, but one must also consider consequences of their actions. That's the difference between a child and an adult. Adults are held accountable for their actions. If you are damaging someone else that doesn't deserve (so, we're not talking about justice/revenge workings here), you are responsible for the damage you cause. You will understand this at some point.
So, yes, you are allowed to influence other people of course, but you should think about who gains benefit from your influence, who is harmed and so on. If you are dealing with a loved one, you obviously don't want to do anything that harms them.
We may unintentionally harm love through our decisions, and through experiences and growing in awareness we can evolve into better people that understand better the consequences of our actions.
I can make an example of something that seems totally harmless, but has unforeseen ripple effects. Let's take alcohol again, since later it is my prime example. Alcohol, even one sip, damages you on many levels. Prolonged use and greater quantities have worse effects. Now, people may think it's their choice and it doesn't affect other. But when something impacts you psychologically like this or a poor diet or sleep deprivation and so on, your impaired psychology is going to affect other people because your actions and behaviour become impaired. It affects your relationships, your work performances, your goals... everything in a domino effect.
There is no decision that affects exclusively the individual.
So, one should ask themselves a lot of questions when they want something. Do I really want it? Why do I want? Why is why? etc. After the root cause has been established, one should ask themselves if what they want to do is really the best way to do it or even a good way. Just because you decided on a course of action, it doesn't mean it is the most appropriate for your situation. After you have explored that line of thought, you need to consider how your plan will affect you and it will affect others. Are you really doing something that is beneficial for your loved one? Why is it beneficial? Why is why? etc. Are you harming them? What is happening? Carelessness has a price.
It seems to me that some people here lack basic understanding of psychology and personal responsibility. Not thinking things through. Seems like some people's conception of freedom means doing whatever they want without any responsibility and accountability whatsoever, just because they can. That is called chaos, not freedom.
Just because you have a tool at your disposal, it doesn't mean it is appropriate for all occasions, just like you wouldn't show up in a pyjamas at a black tie party.
Next, then let's make a ritual to dampen someone's sex drive because they cannot stop texting you all the fricking day and you have Venus in Capricorn (hypothetical). Is that okay?
FancyMancy said:Depending on why her (or his) sex drive is 2/10, it may be impossible for them to meet you at 6/10. Probably, the best they could do is 3 or 3.5/10. I am considering those who may have been abused/raped... which makes it extremely difficult to be intimate with anyone. If they haven't been, then would the 10/10 person want the 2/10 person to lay there bored shitless, uncomfortable, concentrating on Coronation Street, while the 10/10 person goes to town on them?Stormblood said:If her sex drive is 2/10 and yours is 10/10, you can meet at 6.
Yeah, that is true. I was using the wrong example. My bad.
Also, you misremembered: I am not heterosexual.