WrathOfVishnu
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The Tengri and other question about Satan and Beelzebul is the same thing.
Let me explain, you will see what I mean.
The world is divided in two aspects: Created Universe, Uncreated Universe.
Satan and anything Spiritual, does fall under the uncreated universe (supernal, transcedental, spiritual)
Beelzebul is on the "manifested universe", ie, physical, set rules of the astral or material, and so on.
These two are One insofar the universe is one, in the same way potential and reality are connected.
Satan, Beelzebul, Astarte and Azazel (4 Crowns) symbolize 4 things: Supernal Spirituality (Ultimate Truth beyond space-time, Satya)
Beelzebul: Authority, power, structure of the Universe, the "Created", the existing, what "Is"
Astarte equals to Form: Design, beauty, formation of things, divine laws like the fibonacci structure (how the universe is created)
(edited)
Azazel finally is the evident face of creation (the Light, Sun, visible power, natural laws of light, the very manifest)
However, all of these forces, IN PRINCIPLE, are how the universe works.
In the 12 house "Ancient Greek Pantheon", it's these 4 primary underlying principles, but broken into further 3 Gods each.
6 Males, 6 Females
In Ancient Hinduism, they break this into Three Powers (Creation, Maintenance, Destruction) - Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu
But the underlying message is always the same, in deep Hinduism, they know "Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu" are the same "ultimate being" or merely, Satya or the Truth
However, they also operate in a subsequent and non invasive to each other, basis.
Creation cannot be "destruction", "Destruction" is not the same as Maintenance (Vishnu)
However, primarily, they all boil down to "One Universal Power".
Yes, in Quantum Physics, you have the Positive, Negative and "Potential" co-existing AT THE SAME TIME and DIVIDED.
This is of course confusing logically, because our logic is very "linear".
Now, in regard to the "voices people hear" and so on. What you hear or what you see, can be very close to others, but the experience can be PSYCHOLOGICALLY DISTINCTIVE.
That's because communication goes through this filter: you.
The message one receives, is unavoidably affected by them. In order to surpass this, one must be exceptionally advanced, and past the point of where one's own psychology interferes.
A person watching a lot of anime, might legitimately pray and see an anime figure. Another influenced by Ancient Statues, might see that force. A man who has no idea, might see something else. They however all receive the same "Input".
The underlying message, is however from the same being and same entity, so there is nothing to worry about.
So this should not worry us on a fundamental level.
I have said in a seminar of JoS donors about this topic. For example, you pray to Satan or Zeus, to send you help for lets say, coding on your computer (this is a topic ruled over by Thoth)
"What" God will be sent is not relevant, this is up to the office of the Gods (they can send a minor Demon, answer directly, or send another one) but in the end of the day, you will get your help.
When you open up more, you can know the details of this and that's the whole point. But fundamentally, the Gods operate as a large family of distinct entities that cover each their post, and operate as "One".
For example, if I call the "government" for fixing lightbulbs in the street, not necessarily the President will arrive, but the presidential mandate will send the lightbulb expert electrician.
The only thing I see, is that the Government responded.
If I go down and I talk with the man maybe his name is not President maybe they are called Tom or it's someone else. Doesn't matter. But if we have to take a specific lightbulb fixing project, it's important to know. That's for later on in spiritual advancement.
So one must not stress over these details almost at all.
There are spiritual cultures in the past who were far more elaborate in these topics and others less elaborate.
The reason subsequent Gods exist, is to help you also focus the mind. For example, when one wants to pray for victory in a dispute or a war, they would refer to a God of War.
But as many of you have noticed, if you just generally pray to your GD or Satan, whether the topic is "inside their office" or not, you still get helped. They direct other Gods to the task.
For psychological purposes or depending on what we need, we pick a God. This centers us.
When the culture is removed and/or too simplified, people don't know many details. The Gods still us very clearly from above, but we do not.
The important thing therefore becomes to create a solid culture, through which, these things are proper and distinct and accurate, for our own mind's operation also.
The hierarchy of the Gods is important also here, for example, on very large affairs, we inquire straight to Presidential higher up authority. But you will not ask Zeus what color to paint your fingernails (nor you will likely receive an answer about this topic).
A lesser God whose task is for aesthetics, can help in that regard. When we know, we can go to them.
By definition when you ask for "material" favors, the Gods send lower ranking Gods who are closer to the material realm.
When you ask for example on what to advance on spiritually, then you will be sent a being that is in accordance to that dimension of existence.
Zeus in the case, was picked because as I said, they refer to him as "Pantokrator" which means "He who holds the whole universe". They ascribe to him 345+ epithets for everything. They also call him the "One" in the same one calls a president a president. Regardless, many of the subsequent Gods deserve massive reverence of their own right.
I have a question. You said the 4 crowns represented something about the universe. But they are also existent beings, why did they want to "impersonate" and be the embodiment of such fundamental concepts?
For the same reason I am a mathematician, a physicist, a dancer, and a gamer, for my son who is in the first grade.
In a sense yes, you are an "Actor" but that doesn't mean you lie, you teach truly.
My son still knows it's me being the mathematician for example, but I assume this role in front of him, so he can learn math,
Thank you. The comment is regarding what you said earlier about the 12 house greek pantheon and how hinduism breaks it into 3 powers, creation, maintenance and destruction. That reminds me of astrology - 12 houses and 3 qualities of cardinal, fixed, mutable. Is there a connection?
Yes, direct correlation between the 12 Gods and the 12 Zodiac signs.
They are said to be Twins because Apollo and Artemis were twins in the Ancient Greek Mythology
Artemis, Aphrodite and Demeter are supposed to be Astarte broken in 3 subsequent identitiers.
(edited)
The Jewish grimoires have taken a lot of this information and twisted it to no ends, but it was based on truthful knowledge that later got completely botched down.
The 12 Gods divide into 4 elements, 3 Astrology signs for each element.
I have a question, why in modern books of greek mythology, the greek gods are depicted like bad entities and having flaws like humans do? is it corruption from the Jews?
This is called Mythology. Mythology is stories that were written about the Gods, to describe either cosmological, historical, or supernatural events, like again, stories. These stories contain codes (Not literal things) which have to do with knowledge the Initiated ones have, so when they read them, they understand what meditations to do, or what to do.
Mythology was written by men and is a mix of sometimes history, other times made up poetry, but generally coded information in literary form.
People say all these things about flaws because they deny the nature of this text. This is an Ancient problem, ie, "how do we pass down knowledge that should exist everywhere, but is only for the eyes of the Initiates and codify it so only the worthy can have it, but it won't be lost? Mythology."
So the Gods codify these things in mythology that they passed down, so that it exists, but still contains the occult and hidden information inside it, without it being obvious to the general public.
Humans also have historically written their own bogus. The difference between the bogus and the real, is that the real contains hard-power knowledge and cosmological truth, and the other is like reading pseudepigraphical fairytales.
Children are fascinated by mythology as mythology is supposed to be taught to children, who require vivid imagery to start grasping basic context of existence.
Good mythology also has moral and ethical teachings to pass down to the next generations in very simplified form.
However, when andrapoda or NPC's read this knowledge, they draw NPC conclusions about it, ie, literalize it and take it out of context.
This is how Egyptian mythology's been falsely labeled with incest practice right?
If you were in Ancient Egypt with a High Priest, and you looked on the Hieroglyphs, they would explain to you what meditation this is (only if you were an Initiate too). If you
went down with a local traveller, they would tell you "Oh, Jackal headed thing giving juice water with this cross typa thing".
All our modern knowledge in the present world about "The Ancient World" is neaderthals who found these things and say "Damn boi dis Isis ting with the wings bro, she give water to her hubby bro".
Aka, nothing spiritual. Aka, misinformation. Aka, perpetuation of retardation.
"Damn the Ancient Egyptians had porn because Osiris has an erection here, lol"
That's NPC interpretation of totally foreign to their mind, subjects.
Good mythology also has moral and ethical teachings to pass down to the next generations in very simplified form.
The Illiad and Odyssey are hardcore symbolism books, and they also have powerful moral questions and imperatives, to activate your mind when reading this. They work on many levels.
They were "The Bible before the Bible"
Homer was a Demi-God and reached Godhead, it's clear
Maximum level of Initiation is present in Homer.
Homer was also a semi-legendary being even for the people of his time and for 3000 years later.
Veda, Illiad and Odyssey, are basically the original "Bibles" that we have
Now I want to also mention something else about Mythology. Insane people or pseudepigraphical writters in the centuries, also wrote things, which were later dismissed by the high clergy or top initiates of the time. That's literary garbage.
For example, a bunch of pedophiles from the Ancient Island of Crete, because they had a local norm to marry very young people, they tried to write that it was justified by pinning this to a God, Zeus specifically. Plato, which was like saying, the ultimate spiritual authority of his time, explained this was literary filth and in no way connected to the Gods. These things happen in history because as we can understand, a lot of people are mentally ill.
Was Socrates a real person? I couldn't tell when reading about him from Plato if he was real or more of a "figure" to help Plato teach us???
Yes, totally real. The place where he died and imprisoned exists to this very day in Athens, Greece.
All of these events happened including the Athenians getting angry (could have been Jews by the time) and bringing him in the tribunal for execution.
Humanity has also done many errors it's not only the jews.
We can talk about the story of Socrates in the live AMA, it's a very interesting story
Socrates was top initiate, top mysteries initiate and so on, so forth.
The large masses, cannot always ingest certain knowledge. If I appear in office in front of modern day politicians and say somethings, I will be headed to execution also.
Socrates basically saw that politicans and others of his time were going derailed and he was a very eccentric and wise person, and he saw them having greed and other forms of problems, and when he pointed this out, they basically out of anger executed him.
talking about satan and baalzebul again, if they are the same being, why do they have different sigils? and what is his real physical aspect? zeus has beard and long hair, satan doens't have beard for example???
The sigil of Satan has to do with the world as it manifests, the visual field (Lucifer, bringer of light, seen into the unseen)
The Sigil of Beelzebul is Thor's Hammer (one sigil) which is the vital lifeforce that keeps the whole universe going. Both are fundamental to the existence of the universe.
What we see on statues and so forth, albeit extremely close to the Gods, is still symbolic representation of the forces. One way to describe "Being an elder" is to ascribe a beard to a statue, like old humans and wise humans have a beard.
The Ancient Greeks were super close to the representations of the Gods, almost the same, but they still included certain elements to teach about concepts. Others like Egypt focused more on showing other concepts and forces. Statues are not supposed to be direct representations.
Statues are supposed to be symbolic so each nature of each God can be understood.
Real "forms" are what one sees after they open up astral sight and so on, they are not the same.
Shiva for example being blue and all of this, is supposed to be symbolism, the Gods don't have 12 hands or something. The 12 hands are supposed to symbolize something; for example, 12 astrological signs or directions.
Each cultures picks a different way to show this, but they generally refer to the same underlying principles, depending on how many things they want to put as information in the object they have in front of them.
About the 72 Gods, You said that were chosen to be put in "goetia" for curses purposes.
But for a moment I thought that might be significant as in our calendar in a year we have 72 Gods that rules the days.
Is there something else about this number?
Yes, the 72 is a very important spiritual number overall as is 144. 72 is the half of 144 (number of Nadis in the Soul)
Number of LARGE nadis in the soul
The 72 represents the half which is the "dark" and "undiscovered"
These 72 Gods primarily symbolize the untapped potentials also inside each soul
So the choice of 72 Gods to desecrate goes deeper, it's an indepth occult choice by the enemy
Long story short, to lock key areas of understanding in the human soul.
If you divide the full circle (360) by 5 (5 elements) you get 72.
So the year is divided by 72, because each of these, works to rectify an element of the soul and one element from the soul.
These 72 Gods primarily symbolize the untapped potentials also inside each soul
If some of these 72 Gods were born as humans, then did these potentials of the soul correspond to other Gods before they achieved their Godhood? And the days they represent too??
Yes, through ancestry.
The Ancients are not beating around the bush, they mention explicitly we are all seeded here by the Gods.
The potential is already within the only question is tapping it.
The degree of tapping it, wisdom, evolution etc, is the degree of how close one is to the Godhead.
By the end of all the 72 + extra Demon Rituals what we will have, is essentially a yearly schedule, for working all these aspects of the soul to accelerate evolution + venerate the Gods.
That's why these exist in the first place and that's what these do.
I have a question that some members have asked me: how much of the disease we see among people is due to lowered bioelectricity and lack of evolution?
I would say about 75% of all diseases.
25% is because of genetic and natural factors (we need purity in existence, exercise etc)
Let me explain, you will see what I mean.
The world is divided in two aspects: Created Universe, Uncreated Universe.
Satan and anything Spiritual, does fall under the uncreated universe (supernal, transcedental, spiritual)
Beelzebul is on the "manifested universe", ie, physical, set rules of the astral or material, and so on.
These two are One insofar the universe is one, in the same way potential and reality are connected.
Satan, Beelzebul, Astarte and Azazel (4 Crowns) symbolize 4 things: Supernal Spirituality (Ultimate Truth beyond space-time, Satya)
Beelzebul: Authority, power, structure of the Universe, the "Created", the existing, what "Is"
Astarte equals to Form: Design, beauty, formation of things, divine laws like the fibonacci structure (how the universe is created)
(edited)
Azazel finally is the evident face of creation (the Light, Sun, visible power, natural laws of light, the very manifest)
However, all of these forces, IN PRINCIPLE, are how the universe works.
In the 12 house "Ancient Greek Pantheon", it's these 4 primary underlying principles, but broken into further 3 Gods each.
6 Males, 6 Females
In Ancient Hinduism, they break this into Three Powers (Creation, Maintenance, Destruction) - Shiva, Brahma, Vishnu
But the underlying message is always the same, in deep Hinduism, they know "Shiva, Brahma and Vishnu" are the same "ultimate being" or merely, Satya or the Truth
However, they also operate in a subsequent and non invasive to each other, basis.
Creation cannot be "destruction", "Destruction" is not the same as Maintenance (Vishnu)
However, primarily, they all boil down to "One Universal Power".
Yes, in Quantum Physics, you have the Positive, Negative and "Potential" co-existing AT THE SAME TIME and DIVIDED.
This is of course confusing logically, because our logic is very "linear".
Now, in regard to the "voices people hear" and so on. What you hear or what you see, can be very close to others, but the experience can be PSYCHOLOGICALLY DISTINCTIVE.
That's because communication goes through this filter: you.
The message one receives, is unavoidably affected by them. In order to surpass this, one must be exceptionally advanced, and past the point of where one's own psychology interferes.
A person watching a lot of anime, might legitimately pray and see an anime figure. Another influenced by Ancient Statues, might see that force. A man who has no idea, might see something else. They however all receive the same "Input".
The underlying message, is however from the same being and same entity, so there is nothing to worry about.
So this should not worry us on a fundamental level.
I have said in a seminar of JoS donors about this topic. For example, you pray to Satan or Zeus, to send you help for lets say, coding on your computer (this is a topic ruled over by Thoth)
"What" God will be sent is not relevant, this is up to the office of the Gods (they can send a minor Demon, answer directly, or send another one) but in the end of the day, you will get your help.
When you open up more, you can know the details of this and that's the whole point. But fundamentally, the Gods operate as a large family of distinct entities that cover each their post, and operate as "One".
For example, if I call the "government" for fixing lightbulbs in the street, not necessarily the President will arrive, but the presidential mandate will send the lightbulb expert electrician.
The only thing I see, is that the Government responded.
If I go down and I talk with the man maybe his name is not President maybe they are called Tom or it's someone else. Doesn't matter. But if we have to take a specific lightbulb fixing project, it's important to know. That's for later on in spiritual advancement.
So one must not stress over these details almost at all.
There are spiritual cultures in the past who were far more elaborate in these topics and others less elaborate.
The reason subsequent Gods exist, is to help you also focus the mind. For example, when one wants to pray for victory in a dispute or a war, they would refer to a God of War.
But as many of you have noticed, if you just generally pray to your GD or Satan, whether the topic is "inside their office" or not, you still get helped. They direct other Gods to the task.
For psychological purposes or depending on what we need, we pick a God. This centers us.
When the culture is removed and/or too simplified, people don't know many details. The Gods still us very clearly from above, but we do not.
The important thing therefore becomes to create a solid culture, through which, these things are proper and distinct and accurate, for our own mind's operation also.
The hierarchy of the Gods is important also here, for example, on very large affairs, we inquire straight to Presidential higher up authority. But you will not ask Zeus what color to paint your fingernails (nor you will likely receive an answer about this topic).
A lesser God whose task is for aesthetics, can help in that regard. When we know, we can go to them.
By definition when you ask for "material" favors, the Gods send lower ranking Gods who are closer to the material realm.
When you ask for example on what to advance on spiritually, then you will be sent a being that is in accordance to that dimension of existence.
Zeus in the case, was picked because as I said, they refer to him as "Pantokrator" which means "He who holds the whole universe". They ascribe to him 345+ epithets for everything. They also call him the "One" in the same one calls a president a president. Regardless, many of the subsequent Gods deserve massive reverence of their own right.
I have a question. You said the 4 crowns represented something about the universe. But they are also existent beings, why did they want to "impersonate" and be the embodiment of such fundamental concepts?
For the same reason I am a mathematician, a physicist, a dancer, and a gamer, for my son who is in the first grade.
In a sense yes, you are an "Actor" but that doesn't mean you lie, you teach truly.
My son still knows it's me being the mathematician for example, but I assume this role in front of him, so he can learn math,
Thank you. The comment is regarding what you said earlier about the 12 house greek pantheon and how hinduism breaks it into 3 powers, creation, maintenance and destruction. That reminds me of astrology - 12 houses and 3 qualities of cardinal, fixed, mutable. Is there a connection?
Yes, direct correlation between the 12 Gods and the 12 Zodiac signs.
They are said to be Twins because Apollo and Artemis were twins in the Ancient Greek Mythology
Artemis, Aphrodite and Demeter are supposed to be Astarte broken in 3 subsequent identitiers.
(edited)
The Jewish grimoires have taken a lot of this information and twisted it to no ends, but it was based on truthful knowledge that later got completely botched down.
The 12 Gods divide into 4 elements, 3 Astrology signs for each element.
I have a question, why in modern books of greek mythology, the greek gods are depicted like bad entities and having flaws like humans do? is it corruption from the Jews?
This is called Mythology. Mythology is stories that were written about the Gods, to describe either cosmological, historical, or supernatural events, like again, stories. These stories contain codes (Not literal things) which have to do with knowledge the Initiated ones have, so when they read them, they understand what meditations to do, or what to do.
Mythology was written by men and is a mix of sometimes history, other times made up poetry, but generally coded information in literary form.
People say all these things about flaws because they deny the nature of this text. This is an Ancient problem, ie, "how do we pass down knowledge that should exist everywhere, but is only for the eyes of the Initiates and codify it so only the worthy can have it, but it won't be lost? Mythology."
So the Gods codify these things in mythology that they passed down, so that it exists, but still contains the occult and hidden information inside it, without it being obvious to the general public.
Humans also have historically written their own bogus. The difference between the bogus and the real, is that the real contains hard-power knowledge and cosmological truth, and the other is like reading pseudepigraphical fairytales.
Children are fascinated by mythology as mythology is supposed to be taught to children, who require vivid imagery to start grasping basic context of existence.
Good mythology also has moral and ethical teachings to pass down to the next generations in very simplified form.
However, when andrapoda or NPC's read this knowledge, they draw NPC conclusions about it, ie, literalize it and take it out of context.
This is how Egyptian mythology's been falsely labeled with incest practice right?
If you were in Ancient Egypt with a High Priest, and you looked on the Hieroglyphs, they would explain to you what meditation this is (only if you were an Initiate too). If you
went down with a local traveller, they would tell you "Oh, Jackal headed thing giving juice water with this cross typa thing".
All our modern knowledge in the present world about "The Ancient World" is neaderthals who found these things and say "Damn boi dis Isis ting with the wings bro, she give water to her hubby bro".
Aka, nothing spiritual. Aka, misinformation. Aka, perpetuation of retardation.
"Damn the Ancient Egyptians had porn because Osiris has an erection here, lol"
That's NPC interpretation of totally foreign to their mind, subjects.
Good mythology also has moral and ethical teachings to pass down to the next generations in very simplified form.
The Illiad and Odyssey are hardcore symbolism books, and they also have powerful moral questions and imperatives, to activate your mind when reading this. They work on many levels.
They were "The Bible before the Bible"
Homer was a Demi-God and reached Godhead, it's clear
Maximum level of Initiation is present in Homer.
Homer was also a semi-legendary being even for the people of his time and for 3000 years later.
Veda, Illiad and Odyssey, are basically the original "Bibles" that we have
Now I want to also mention something else about Mythology. Insane people or pseudepigraphical writters in the centuries, also wrote things, which were later dismissed by the high clergy or top initiates of the time. That's literary garbage.
For example, a bunch of pedophiles from the Ancient Island of Crete, because they had a local norm to marry very young people, they tried to write that it was justified by pinning this to a God, Zeus specifically. Plato, which was like saying, the ultimate spiritual authority of his time, explained this was literary filth and in no way connected to the Gods. These things happen in history because as we can understand, a lot of people are mentally ill.
Was Socrates a real person? I couldn't tell when reading about him from Plato if he was real or more of a "figure" to help Plato teach us???
Yes, totally real. The place where he died and imprisoned exists to this very day in Athens, Greece.
All of these events happened including the Athenians getting angry (could have been Jews by the time) and bringing him in the tribunal for execution.
Humanity has also done many errors it's not only the jews.
We can talk about the story of Socrates in the live AMA, it's a very interesting story
Socrates was top initiate, top mysteries initiate and so on, so forth.
The large masses, cannot always ingest certain knowledge. If I appear in office in front of modern day politicians and say somethings, I will be headed to execution also.
Socrates basically saw that politicans and others of his time were going derailed and he was a very eccentric and wise person, and he saw them having greed and other forms of problems, and when he pointed this out, they basically out of anger executed him.
talking about satan and baalzebul again, if they are the same being, why do they have different sigils? and what is his real physical aspect? zeus has beard and long hair, satan doens't have beard for example???
The sigil of Satan has to do with the world as it manifests, the visual field (Lucifer, bringer of light, seen into the unseen)
The Sigil of Beelzebul is Thor's Hammer (one sigil) which is the vital lifeforce that keeps the whole universe going. Both are fundamental to the existence of the universe.
What we see on statues and so forth, albeit extremely close to the Gods, is still symbolic representation of the forces. One way to describe "Being an elder" is to ascribe a beard to a statue, like old humans and wise humans have a beard.
The Ancient Greeks were super close to the representations of the Gods, almost the same, but they still included certain elements to teach about concepts. Others like Egypt focused more on showing other concepts and forces. Statues are not supposed to be direct representations.
Statues are supposed to be symbolic so each nature of each God can be understood.
Real "forms" are what one sees after they open up astral sight and so on, they are not the same.
Shiva for example being blue and all of this, is supposed to be symbolism, the Gods don't have 12 hands or something. The 12 hands are supposed to symbolize something; for example, 12 astrological signs or directions.
Each cultures picks a different way to show this, but they generally refer to the same underlying principles, depending on how many things they want to put as information in the object they have in front of them.
About the 72 Gods, You said that were chosen to be put in "goetia" for curses purposes.
But for a moment I thought that might be significant as in our calendar in a year we have 72 Gods that rules the days.
Is there something else about this number?
Yes, the 72 is a very important spiritual number overall as is 144. 72 is the half of 144 (number of Nadis in the Soul)
Number of LARGE nadis in the soul
The 72 represents the half which is the "dark" and "undiscovered"
These 72 Gods primarily symbolize the untapped potentials also inside each soul
So the choice of 72 Gods to desecrate goes deeper, it's an indepth occult choice by the enemy
Long story short, to lock key areas of understanding in the human soul.
If you divide the full circle (360) by 5 (5 elements) you get 72.
So the year is divided by 72, because each of these, works to rectify an element of the soul and one element from the soul.
These 72 Gods primarily symbolize the untapped potentials also inside each soul
If some of these 72 Gods were born as humans, then did these potentials of the soul correspond to other Gods before they achieved their Godhood? And the days they represent too??
Yes, through ancestry.
The Ancients are not beating around the bush, they mention explicitly we are all seeded here by the Gods.
The potential is already within the only question is tapping it.
The degree of tapping it, wisdom, evolution etc, is the degree of how close one is to the Godhead.
By the end of all the 72 + extra Demon Rituals what we will have, is essentially a yearly schedule, for working all these aspects of the soul to accelerate evolution + venerate the Gods.
That's why these exist in the first place and that's what these do.
I have a question that some members have asked me: how much of the disease we see among people is due to lowered bioelectricity and lack of evolution?
I would say about 75% of all diseases.
25% is because of genetic and natural factors (we need purity in existence, exercise etc)
