Due to the rise in anti-abortion laws, women are answering with sterilisation

[Soul Wings]

Recently there have been several countries/states threatening to outlaw legal abortion. There have always been attacks on this politically but they are starting to break through. This is another human rights issue we are facing as a people. Women believe if they are to succeed in passing these laws; they will come for our birth control next and prevent sterilisation appointments for those without children. I, for one, believe them. And they will not stop with just us women.

Senate Bill 8 - the ban in Texas (from planned parenthood):

"The harmful law is sometimes referred to as Senate Bill 8 (S.B. 8).

S.B. 8 bans abortion at around six weeks of pregnancy — before many people even know they’re pregnant.

S.B. 8 allows people across the country to sue anyone who helps someone get an abortion after six weeks in Texas — including doctors, partners, friends, family members, or abortion fund volunteers.

S.B. 8 offers a $10,000 minimum reward for every successful lawsuit.

S.B. 8 is the harshest, most extreme abortion restriction in the country; and it's the first 6-week ban that has been allowed to take effect."

Roe v. Wade (protection for abortion rights) is being threatened to be overturned:

"Trump promised to only nominate justices who would overturn Roe v. Wade. His Supreme Court appointees — Justices Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett — all have records hostile to reproductive health and rights.

Adverse rulings in any of these could limit our access to safe, legal abortion for decades. Roe could be overturned or weakened, eliminating what little access to abortion is left for many people in the United States.

If Roe v. Wade is overturned or further eroded, one-third of all women of reproductive age in America could lose the ability to access abortion in their state."

This can lead to children living uninvested, uneducated lives, and do you think living feeling like you are a burden to your mother is healthy for any human being?

Due to this, women will be in needless debt, have a lack of education, terrible mental health situations, leaving relationships, hospitalised; sick or dying just to name a few things. "Giving away children" has the same result here. As an answer women are booking in appointments straight away to be sterilised en masse. Do you see the issues here?

Now like me you are probably wondering, if something as fucked up as this is seriously being considered in politics, what the fuck do we do?

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too. Having you on our side is a huge win for us women and is a huge step in the right direction. If you're already on board, thank you.

To make people aware is the first huge thing - tell a friend, tell a family member. Start a civil discussion and change/open some minds.
If you can protest safely in your country if/when it happens, protest. Send letters, call numbers, sign signatures, find out what you can do. Literally anything is better than nothing. Planned Parenthood has methods of protest linked at the bottom of the page. Also here.
And lastly, if you can, please keep watch on all of this because this is a continual fight we have not won yet. I hope my point of how important this is, is taken seriously. I can only hope. We have to get through this together. We cannot let this happen.

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

What a shitty piece of leftist propaganda that was just allowed here. If women don’t want to have kids then there is birth control and many other things to mitigate it. I don’t have a problem with abortion in America because it keeps the non-white population levels from exploding. Everywhere else it should be allowed only if the fetus is disabled or some other eugenic purpose. You just came here like Mageson to proclaim social Marxism except atleast he was subtle about it.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

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I haven't fully read the OP, however on the subject of abortion, in short, even the Gods are in favor of leaving this decision to the mother under any circumstances.

Abortion is fine, as no child or soul is harmed so long the abortion takes place early on in pregnancy (before the soul fully attaches to the fetus, or the new soul is fully manifest).

It's not a leftist thing to allow for it and let this be in the mothers hands.

People may accidentally get pregnant without wanting it, or being ready for it, it may be from rape, or from a person they do not like, or a person who doesn't want to take responsibility, etc.

Or a person may simply not want to have a kid yet. All these things are valid circumstances and reasons to abort at the appropriate time.

Of course, birth rates are low in the west and white children especially are necessary, however, this is not because abortion exists or is allowed, but rather due to the social erosion the jews inflict upon the society and how difficult they have made it in the west for whites to actually have a successful family and take care of kids, not to mention that parenthood is not promoted positively as the blessed and divine purpose of life that it really is.

Abortion laws exist to protect woman from unwanted and toxic pregnancies, so ones life and the life of a potential child isn't ruined from the start due to a single bad decision or mistake, or even accident or unfortunate circumstances experienced by a woman.

Children born under such circumstances usually do not end up having it well either, so best to allow woman a sense of control over their destiny and the destiny of a potential child in this harmless way.

 

[Jack]

Stop sending millions of dollars to israel and the United Nations and NATO and start investing in raising those unwanted children.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

In America, basically 99.999% of abortions are not because of any medical reason and not because of rape. It is used only as contraceptive because they [the woman and the man] want to be a whore having a lot of sex and using no form of contraceptive, and then they think an abortion is the solution. And meanwhile the goblin jews are selling the baby's organs and making several millions of dollars per year on this business of killing babies and selling parts of them. That is what this is really about.

A couple years ago in Virginia they even tried to change the law to allow "abortion" after the baby was already born. There is a video of the virginia governor describing and promoting this, saying that the baby would be born, it would be kept warm and comfortable, then the mother and a jew "doctor" would decide to kill the baby. The baby may be alive for even a few weeks before they kill it. All so that the goblin monster jew may make a larger amount of money from selling the parts of the baby. Because they have actual auctions where people all over the world bid on how much they will pay for the body parts. Most abortions happen so quickly, then the body parts only stay fresh for a short amount of time, so they are not able to have the auctions last for a long enough time to make the maximum amount of money. If they keep the baby alive for a few weeks after it's born before they kill it, the auction could be going this whole time and result in the highest prices. Also killing a fully formed baby is larger than a small less formed baby, so the amount of organs they get from it is larger, so that's another way they make more money.

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxTwcAELB8
Here is a video describing this. You can skip to 6 minutes to see the video of the virginia governor describing how they will kill live babies weeks after they were born.


This is the absolute reason for all the enormous promotion of abortion, and wanting to "expand abortion rights" by reducing the laws and restrictions less and less. It is all decided by the blood-thirsty monster goblin jew, and all the worthless communist/leftists blindly follow everything they are told. America already has some of the absolute loosest laws around abortion of any country on earth, there are only 6 other countries that allow abortion as late as in America. Even in many states currently allowing "abortion" up until the moment the baby is being born.

There was at least one jew, probably also others, who was doing many "abortions" at the moment of birth. They would wait for the baby to naturally be born, and as soon as the baby's head comes out of the mother, the jew would use a strong pair of scissors to cut through the baby's skull and then stick a vacuum into the baby's skull and suck out his brain. This is an actual thing that has been done many times in America by at least this one jew and probably also others. This is the "abortion rights" that worthless goyim leftists are always promoting. And of course it is the "evil white men" who have morals, who created philosophy, who invented the entire concept of "universal human rights" which no other race has invented and many currently still do not recognize, who are saying that this evil and insanity needs to stop. And the jew cries and screeches because he will make less money if he kills less babies. Watch all the videos from planned parenthood of the jew abortion doctor bragging about making tens of millions of dollars per year, bragging about how he just bought a Lamborghini car and if he can kill a few more babies before the year is over he might buy a second Lamborghini for his wife.


How evil does somebody have to be? How much of a worthless whore does somebody have to be in order to justify an entire business worth hundreds of millions of dollars based entirely on one of the most evil actions imaginable? And don't give me that shit about "what about rape or medical reasons?" Because 99.999% of abortions the stated reason of why it is being done is not for any medical reason and not because of rape, it is because the parents [the woman and the man] are both irresponsible whores who are too lazy and apathetic to use any of the many different types of contraception that are available, and so they use direct murder of a child as a replacement for a condom. You don't like birth control pills? I don't either, I think they are very dangerous and do a lot of damage. But that is not the only option. You can get condoms for as cheap as just a few cents for each one, there is no excuse. And you can get "morning after pill" at the pharmacy for just a few dollars which would prevent an egg from being fertilized and flush it out before a pregnancy is possible. I don't like this, and it is a dangerous thing, but it is available for an emergency. But really there is no excuse for not just using a condom. And if you don't, then raise your baby and take care of it. Everybody knows that sex creates babies, it is not some surprise where you just wake up with a baby one day and don't know how it happened.


I agree with abortion being available as a last resort restricted to situations of medical danger or rape, and all Republicans agree with this. There is no politician trying to get rid of it for these situations, and in all the proposed laws these situations are an excuse where abortion would be available in this case.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

People may accidentally get pregnant without wanting it, or being ready for it, it may be from rape, or from a person they do not like, or a person who doesn't want to take responsibility, etc.

I will ignore the part about rape since the number of abortions with the stated reason being because of a rape is extremely close to zero, and in all proposed laws to reduce abortion rape is an excuse where abortion would still be allowed.

A good solution to not get pregnant by somebody you don't like would be to not be a whore and not be fucking all kinds of random strangers who you just met 5 minutes ago on tinder. Or at least using a condom while you are making those kinds of retarded choices. It is such an easy thing to avoid it is ridiculous that it even needs to be mentioned.

And for two people who are in a great relationship and they want to be together and they just don't want a baby yet, morning after pill is available at every pharmacy for only a few dollars and will flush out the egg before it has a chance to be fertilized. And there are more forms of contraception available now than any other time in history with more being invented all the time, many of them are safe, and many of them are very inexpensive. There really is no excuse. If people are negligent and they still get pregnant, then take care of your baby. In all of the world's history, the number of parents who were actually fully comfortable and feeling ready to have a baby was almost none of them. Nobody thinks they are ready, and it is a very difficult thing, but they make it work. I know somebody had a baby when he was 19 years old, it was extremely difficult the first few years and took a lot of sacrificing, but it was absolutely the greatest thing that ever happened to him and it does get a lot easier over time. His child is like his entire world.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Roe v. Wade needs to be protected. Abortion is very loosely connected to this, but the actual case and ruling is not about abortion at all. It is about medical privacy, and it is to say that nobody has the right to demand access to your personal medical history.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

 

[Fuchs]

In America, basically 99.999% of abortions are not because of any medical reason and not because of rape. It is used only as contraceptive because they [the woman and the man] want to be a whore having a lot of sex and using no form of contraceptive, and then they think an abortion is the solution. And meanwhile the goblin jews are selling the baby's organs and making several millions of dollars per year on this business of killing babies and selling parts of them. That is what this is really about.

A couple years ago in Virginia they even tried to change the law to allow "abortion" after the baby was already born. There is a video of the virginia governor describing and promoting this, saying that the baby would be born, it would be kept warm and comfortable, then the mother and a jew "doctor" would decide to kill the baby. The baby may be alive for even a few weeks before they kill it. All so that the goblin monster jew may make a larger amount of money from selling the parts of the baby. Because they have actual auctions where people all over the world bid on how much they will pay for the body parts. Most abortions happen so quickly, then the body parts only stay fresh for a short amount of time, so they are not able to have the auctions last for a long enough time to make the maximum amount of money. If they keep the baby alive for a few weeks after it's born before they kill it, the auction could be going this whole time and result in the highest prices. Also killing a fully formed baby is larger than a small less formed baby, so the amount of organs they get from it is larger, so that's another way they make more money.

Www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixxTwcAELB8
Here is a video describing this. You can skip to 6 minutes to see the video of the virginia governor describing how they will kill live babies weeks after they were born.


This is the absolute reason for all the enormous promotion of abortion, and wanting to "expand abortion rights" by reducing the laws and restrictions less and less. It is all decided by the blood-thirsty monster goblin jew, and all the worthless communist/leftists blindly follow everything they are told. America already has some of the absolute loosest laws around abortion of any country on earth, there are only 6 other countries that allow abortion as late as in America. Even in many states currently allowing "abortion" up until the moment the baby is being born.

There was at least one jew, probably also others, who was doing many "abortions" at the moment of birth. They would wait for the baby to naturally be born, and as soon as the baby's head comes out of the mother, the jew would use a strong pair of scissors to cut through the baby's skull and then stick a vacuum into the baby's skull and suck out his brain. This is an actual thing that has been done many times in America by at least this one jew and probably also others. This is the "abortion rights" that worthless goyim leftists are always promoting. And of course it is the "evil white men" who have morals, who created philosophy, who invented the entire concept of "universal human rights" which no other race has invented and many currently still do not recognize, who are saying that this evil and insanity needs to stop. And the jew cries and screeches because he will make less money if he kills less babies. Watch all the videos from planned parenthood of the jew abortion doctor bragging about making tens of millions of dollars per year, bragging about how he just bought a Lamborghini car and if he can kill a few more babies before the year is over he might buy a second Lamborghini for his wife.


How evil does somebody have to be? How much of a worthless whore does somebody have to be in order to justify an entire business worth hundreds of millions of dollars based entirely on one of the most evil actions imaginable? And don't give me that shit about "what about rape or medical reasons?" Because 99.999% of abortions the stated reason of why it is being done is not for any medical reason and not because of rape, it is because the parents [the woman and the man] are both irresponsible whores who are too lazy and apathetic to use any of the many different types of contraception that are available, and so they use direct murder of a child as a replacement for a condom. You don't like birth control pills? I don't either, I think they are very dangerous and do a lot of damage. But that is not the only option. You can get condoms for as cheap as just a few cents for each one, there is no excuse. And you can get "morning after pill" at the pharmacy for just a few dollars which would prevent an egg from being fertilized and flush it out before a pregnancy is possible. I don't like this, and it is a dangerous thing, but it is available for an emergency. But really there is no excuse for not just using a condom. And if you don't, then raise your baby and take care of it. Everybody knows that sex creates babies, it is not some surprise where you just wake up with a baby one day and don't know how it happened.


I agree with abortion being available as a last resort restricted to situations of medical danger or rape, and all Republicans agree with this. There is no politician trying to get rid of it for these situations, and in all the proposed laws these situations are an excuse where abortion would be available in this case.

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

The child if mother and father don´t care, will be raised in a child protection home.

I heared storys that jews buy from this facilitys children, who do not have parents looking after them, for ritual sacrifices. But probably this happens most of the time out of germany in countrys were the majority of people is poorer, so they are easyer bribed. But even there this it total illegal. Just wanted to mention so people read what can happen, if you give your child to such a facility.

I think the 3 /6 month law is the middle line, should be ok, I don´t remember at which month the soul is attached to the body, fully was at moment of birth.

 

[Soul Wings]

What a shitty piece of leftist propaganda that was just allowed here. If women don’t want to have kids then there is birth control and many other things to mitigate it. I don’t have a problem with abortion in America because it keeps the non-white population levels from exploding. Everywhere else it should be allowed only if the fetus is disabled or some other eugenic purpose. You just came here like Mageson to proclaim social Marxism except atleast he was subtle about it.

Thanks for the low quality first post for everybody to see. Really great start to this civil discussion I was hoping to have. Whether you believe me or not, all birth control will be under threat for both sexes if we allow this assault on human rights to continue. You think they will truly just stop at abortion? If you don't see how these things are an issue then I don't know what to tell you. I really should have elaborated on this point more. This is why we cannot let it happen. It's bigger than "are you anti-abortion or not" or "why do women abort" etc.

 

[Aquarius]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

Not an objective argument. A fetus before a few months time has no consciousness. I agree with you about the promiscuity part, but you can't ban abortions of fetuses that are less than 5-4 months old, Lilith supports abortion for women, and so did Hitler in Nazi Germany although not recommended for White women.
So, whores or not, women have to be able to get abortions, it's either that or they will get clandestine abortions(dangerous), give birth and not give the necessary attention to the kid, or abbandon the kid in a foster home.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

This is how most of the countries in the world do it. I think I would agree with this rule, I think it is fair.
Other than America, there are only 6 other countries that are so extremely loose in how old they will allow to be aborted. There are 5 countries in Asia, Netherlands, and USA. And the hundreds of other countries in the world all agree that it is wrong.

But the biggest problem would be to change people's perspective to stop thinking that abortion is the same thing as a condom. There are charities that will send you condoms in the mail for free, but somehow that is too difficult and even $0 is too much money for a condom. But an abortion that costs thousands of dollars is easier and is not too expensive?

 

[Fuchs]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

A condom can burst-> condom + anti baby pill is adviced.
A wommen can get sick, puke, etc, anti baby pill effect is gone. Some medicine does work against it also.

Better have 2 layers of protection.

There is also the option of copper implants, who do kill the sperms. Last like half a jear.

I do not know, which is less harmfull for the body, copper or anti baby pill hormones.


In case you did not read:

In germany a wommen can abort if the child is up to 3 month old, up to 6 month if I remember right is only ok in case of rape, health problem for the mother, or psychological problems. Anyone killing/abort after this time a baby is going to jail.
The unborn child has rights, is defined as a living person after the 6 month.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

People may accidentally get pregnant without wanting it, or being ready for it, it may be from rape, or from a person they do not like, or a person who doesn't want to take responsibility, etc.

I will ignore the part about rape since the number of abortions with the stated reason being because of a rape is extremely close to zero, and in all proposed laws to reduce abortion rape is an excuse where abortion would still be allowed.

A good solution to not get pregnant by somebody you don't like would be to not be a whore and not be fucking all kinds of random strangers who you just met 5 minutes ago on tinder. Or at least using a condom while you are making those kinds of retarded choices. It is such an easy thing to avoid it is ridiculous that it even needs to be mentioned.

And for two people who are in a great relationship and they want to be together and they just don't want a baby yet, morning after pill is available at every pharmacy for only a few dollars and will flush out the egg before it has a chance to be fertilized. And there are more forms of contraception available now than any other time in history with more being invented all the time, many of them are safe, and many of them are very inexpensive. There really is no excuse. If people are negligent and they still get pregnant, then take care of your baby. In all of the world's history, the number of parents who were actually fully comfortable and feeling ready to have a baby was almost none of them. Nobody thinks they are ready, and it is a very difficult thing, but they make it work. I know somebody had a baby when he was 19 years old, it was extremely difficult the first few years and took a lot of sacrificing, but it was absolutely the greatest thing that ever happened to him and it does get a lot easier over time. His child is like his entire world.

I agree a morning after pill is preferred over abortion, since it occurs immediately after, however it cannot be called safe in my opinion, as the pill is extremely invasive and very harmful to the body as a whole to take.

A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

The effect was absolutely awful on her. Basically the worst menstrual pains imaginable. She was completely incapacitated for the whole day, and I'm so much pain she could only groan while laying cramped up on the bed.

It was absolutely awful.

In my opinion, an actual abortion is likely less invasive and less risky or damaging than something like this.

As for the reasoning like not sleeping around, or using other birth control methods, I do agree other things are better to use as a preventative measure, and the idea to use abortion as a means to have unprotected sex with whoever is very toxic, but even then I personally do not agree it is something damning or harmful to society.

People should have the choice to undertake this, same as they should have the choice to use a morning after pill.

The timing where abortion can be done without doing harm to any soul, is perhaps at most up to 4 months, though likely only up to 3 months (12 weeks), Where the fetus is still so tiny it can barely be seen with the naked eye.

It can be hard to confirm pregnancy early enough, but if it is suspected, it can be found before 12 weeks are up, and then abortion can be done safely and quickly without much harm.

Up to that point, I do not see the ethical or otherwise problem with allowing it, regardless of any reason the person may have. At least not enough reason to ban the practice outright for anything aside from rape.

Perhaps to force woman to make better choices, limit the times someone can have an abortion over a certain period of time.

However, all issues that cause woman to make excessive use of abortion, are unrelated to abortion being legally available, and banning the practice is not going to solve those issues, which is why I disagree entirely that the practice should be banned in the first place, as banning it is only going to exacerbate the issues that cause woman to abort as much as it happens in the US.

It's a similar concept to claiming that school shootings would stop the moment guns are made illegal and the citizens are unarmed.

Or people can have their freedoms bank if everyone is vaccinated.

It is simply a means used to oppress citizen rights more than anything, and opens the gates for more extreme oppression later on.

Not only that, it would solve nothing, as if putting the card before the horse, or putting a bandaid on an infected wound.

The social issues underlying this problem, to which excessive use of abortion is only a symptom hinting at the underlying issue, will not be solved by banning it, therefore nothing good will come from banning it or from condemning abortion as a choice woman have which they can make.

Hail Satan!

 

[Jack]

Roe v. Wade needs to be protected. Abortion is very loosely connected to this, but the actual case and ruling is not about abortion at all. It is about medical privacy, and it is to say that nobody has the right to demand access to your personal medical history.

Roe V Wade was a scam. The entire ruling is false because the child in that case was never aborted and recently came out.

 

[Fuchs]

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A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

There is no thing as safe pull out game, there is something called:

Pleasure/lust drop.

It does flow out even before you come, can pregnage a wommen. You were extremly lucky or you/ or your girlfriend has/had reproduction problems.

I agree a morning after pill is preferred over abortion, since it occurs immediately after, however it cannot be called safe in my opinion, as the pill is extremely invasive and very harmful to the body as a whole to take.

A girl I was with for years, and had unprotected sex with for an equally long time (I had strong pullout game), took it one day when I accidentally came inside and we weren't sure if she'd get pregnant from it and we didn't want to risk it as we were in no position to have kids yet.

The effect was absolutely awful on her. Basically the worst menstrual pains imaginable. She was completely incapacitated for the whole day, and I'm so much pain she could only groan while laying cramped up on the bed.

It was absolutely awful.

In my opinion, an actual abortion is likely less invasive and less risky or damaging than something like this.

I did once meet a girl who were falsely given a vaccine instead of anti báby pill injection (lasts like 3 months), she got pregnant had to abort, she did tell me she still thinks to the this day about the baby and if it was the right decision to do.

You can´t say a abortion is less harmfull, then taking the morning after pill.


On a side note if a girl takes the anti baby pill, she should choose the one were she still has her period once in a month.
On this way she knows if she is pregnant and it is much more healthy then not having a period like half a jear, some have by taking the pill without period break.

 

[Soul Wings]

I agree with abortion being available as a last resort restricted to situations of medical danger or rape, and all Republicans agree with this. There is no politician trying to get rid of it for these situations, and in all the proposed laws these situations are an excuse where abortion would be available in this case.

Yes, that jew stuff is really weird and terrible, just awful. I was not aware of this. But you understand that they take things and turn them into pure evil. They have stolen and corrupted so much shit, I want to stop them as much as anyone here. No one WANTS abortions - Abortion in itself is fucking awful and stays with people forever. You probably know someone that has had an abortion and they have not told you. As you know, there are much safer and less monstrous methods of abortion that are much more humane. Regardless, it will happen - legal or illegal. Or people will go on "abortion vacations". Might as well prevent the tens of thousands of needless maternal deaths if we can.

What about the human rights of the child you are murdering? I'm sure he would have loved to live a long, fulfilling, productive life.

And what part is personal responsibility related to this? Or that does not matter? Anybody can buy condoms for just a few cents each, and condoms are given out for free in many places. There is no excuse.

Let's go hypothetical then. Forcing a baby on a woman who doesn't want it, forcing a woman to give birth. Yeah... what could go wrong.
It is a leading cause in infanticide.

The majority of neonaticides occur within several hours of birth and are a response to unwanted pregnancies and deliveries. The assessment of such cases is often difficult as the bodies of the victims are usually hidden and injuries may not be found on autopsy examination. Due to the unique situation of a newborn child, simple omission of adequate care may result in rapid death.

Encyclopedia of Forensic and Legal Medicine, 2005

This speaks for itself.

Just like Fuchs said... Just speak to anyone from the adoption system. I know one person that has cuts all up their arms and hates themself so much they cannot do basic things in their life. She literally said to me "you have no idea what I've been through". I did not ask her because I wasn't sure if I could handle knowing. There are many molesters in the adoption system and it is a pathetic failure in itself.

Of course there is personal responsibility and I want to assure you I know what that means. I have no interest in what other people do in their lives unless it affects me.

I would speak more on this, but to be quite honest with you, I was and am not ready. I was not expecting the thread to turn into full blown political discussion, and I have been left very drained with what little I've mustered to type already. My thread was just supposed to be a warning; and to ask for help from those that wish to, nothing less nothing more. I am going to come back in a little while, maybe a day or so, in case others have something to say as I like to keep my mind open. I have learnt something new today and I thank you.

 

[Soul Wings]

Thank you. I have not had the courage to mention Lilith so far, despite wanting to. I do not know why.
I did not know Hitler had these views. This is fascinating news.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Personally I would never have an abortion, but I'm selective and careful and would happily welcome a child. When I was a younger, my dad told me that if I ever got pregnant he would support me financially and with caring for the child, as long as it was white (my parents are against race-mixing).

So even though I would never abort, I understand that in some cases it would be best, like pregnancy from rape. Some other certain circumstances as well. Obviously the best thing to do is prevention, and betting one's life and wanting a family, and so on. Sterilization should be done only for men and women who are mentally or otherwise defective.

For those who think and unwanted child could be left at an orphanage or whatever, those children are at a disadvantage. A child needs parents who raise it properly, in order for it to grow up to be a productive member of society. Unwanted children usually end up on drugs and welfare, broken individuals who harm society.

Many men are brainwashed to avoid the responsibility of fatherhood.

Many women are brainwashed into thinking that children will ruin their lives.

Keep up with the RTR's. End the jewish reign, bring back Satanic values and a higher consciousness and understanding. The jewish media propaganda needs to be ended as well, people are programmed by what they watch all the time.

 

[Aquarius]

orphanage or whatever, those children are at a disadvantage.

Fostar child was a result of that, we don't need that :lol:

 

[Kurat]

Abort should be allowed because of medical conditions/rape/race mixing, but otherwise abort is jewish thing. Firstly, contraceptives are so available that nobody doesn't need abortion. Secondly, argument that mother have no economic resources to rise children is absurd, when we are talking about economic resources, then white race would already be extinct during christian feudalism and communism.

And think why jewish (((Satanic Temple))) are pushing so hard abortion rights.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

...

Lydia, as a very wise and Satanic woman, what is your opinion on various kinds of birth control available for woman?

Things like anticonception pill, IUD, implant variant, and whatever?

I've spoken to different woman about this, and many have said they had negative experiences with most that they tried.

I don't know much about it, aside from the fact that the pill and implant variant can have long term side effects and can mess with the hormones in a harmful way, though I don't know how serious the detriment can really be.

I'd be interested in your opinion and understanding of this, if you want to share anything.

 

[Rational Satanist]

Well, if you are a man reading this we really need your help too. You might think reading this that this is a women's issue, feminism or something; but it is a human rights issue and will definitely affect you too. Having you on our side is a huge win for us women and is a huge step in the right direction. If you're already on board, thank you.

Do you support financial abortions (Legal Paternal Surrender) for men too? If not, I have zero reasons to be interested. It's pretty hypocritical to demand that women have abortions for no serious reasons while forcing a man who is tricked/baby trapped/spermjacked to pay child support for a child that he didn't want to have or else go to jail. There are zero states/countries that support LPS yet I haven't seen anyone complain about that and work to change it. I'll tell you what: i'll care about abortion only if pro-abortion activists work to change the laws to establish LPS for ment in addition to abortion for women. Otherwise they are hypocrites.

If you reply to this "stop being a manbaby and use a condom" then it's fair to reply "stop being a womanbaby and use birth control" whenever a woman complains about abortion. If you bring up "the rights of the child" in response to this, why do the rights of the child not matter in the case of abortion?

 

[The Outlaw Torn]

Not allowing an unborn child to be killed needlessly=Assault on human rights. This came straight from the DNC. Maybe soul wings has a future in Congress as the next kikess AOC.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

If you bring up "the rights of the child" in response to this, why do the rights of the child not matter in the case of abortion?

They do not matter in case of timely abortion, because there is no child to give any rights to at that point.

I have mentioned multiple times in this post, and it has been explained by HP HoodedCobra as well on the subject, the child isn't yet a living human being with an incarnated soul at the early stages of pregnancy (up to 3-4 months).

Thus there is no rights to be considered, since nothing has fully manifested yet. There is no consciousness, and if it is aborted at that stage, no soul is harmed since no soul has attached to the body yet or fully manifested to where it can be considered an incarnated human being.

Therefore, it is not yet a child, and not requiring of any rights, as it doesn't exist in a state where rights have any relevance or meaning to it.

Only after the soul attaches and incarnated into the body (which behinds to take place around 4 months of pregnancy, and is fully complete at 5 months of pregnancy), is the fetus a fully fledged incarnated soul and the small fetus has a semblance of consciousness as well.

It is at this point where anything like abortion is harmful to the soul that incarnated into the growing fetus, as aborting it would kill the body which the soul has connected to.

At that point the rights of the unborn child are to be considered, though even then, the connection is relatively loose until after 6 months, and a soul can detach successfully without too much harm done if something happens to the fetus (accident, abortion, what have you).

In case of a rape victim going for a late abortion, it can therefore be argued that up to 6 months may be acceptable, though definitely not good by any means for the unborn child.

Hail Satan!

 

[HPS Lydia]

...

Lydia, as a very wise and Satanic woman, what is your opinion on various kinds of birth control available for woman?

Things like anticonception pill, IUD, implant variant, and whatever?

I've spoken to different woman about this, and many have said they had negative experiences with most that they tried.

I don't know much about it, aside from the fact that the pill and implant variant can have long term side effects and can mess with the hormones in a harmful way, though I don't know how serious the detriment can really be.

I'd be interested in your opinion and understanding of this, if you want to share anything.

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

 

[HPS Lydia]

One of the leading arguments against abortion is that it is killing an unborn child. A fetus, in the first few months, is not a child, there is no soul in it, not until around 5 months and later. As Voice of Enki has explained, and HP HoodedCobra has also mentioned previously.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

Thank you for your reply.

The point you made at the end is indeed also very important.


As for natural methods, this may not be applicable to all people, as it requires significant mind power, but I had the thought conception can be prevented by having it in mind strongly that one does not want to conceive with whomever they have sex with in cases where they do not want to conceive with a partner, in combination with ejaculating outside.

The mind itself directing the causality away from any causal outcomes where conception occurs after sex.

Or have it in mind that conception fails even if the conditions would make it happen (let it be expelled or removed by the body similar to a morning after pill, but naturally as it happens in cases of a failed conception, without any of the side effects an invasive pill has on the body), in cases where you do not want it to occur.

I also had the thought that one can estimate the probability of conception in case one has unprotected sex, ahead of time, and decide accordingly what to do. Then with enough mind power, the causal outcome can be directed away from conception.

The inverse also being applicable in case one wants to conceive, to allow one full control over when or if one wants to conceive or not, and if one wants, to let it occur as one desires.


Since the way souls merge during intercourse and at the moment of conception plays such a huge role in successfully conceiving, I had the feeling that one with great mind power and spiritual understanding can have significant or even full control over this process, allowing one among other things to have sex without need for physical anti-conception methods or worry of any kind related to this.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

...

I meant that more from the perspective of someone who wants to have sex to satisfy this need, but who for various reasons doesn't want to have children yet.

For someone who is looking to have fulfilling sex without any strings attached.

There can be reasons one may want this, and in these cases, if one has the spiritual capability, this method can be applicable.

As for conflicting interests, what the lesser, unspiritual person wants or feels is insignificant, and brushed aside effortlessly. The one with power is the one in control here (real power, not imaginary domination).


Between advanced people, there are many other considerations to make here, and this method may either be ignored or be even more effective if both are on the same page.

If there are conflicting interests, the advanced people will not get together and have sex in the first place, as there is no reason to get in each other's way.

Relationships between advanced people are easy, as both understand each other and there is deep wisdom.

Things like this are trivial worries that are easily resolved between them, and the perspective they have on these things is also infinitely more expansive than the average person, so it doesn't really apply here.

 

[HPS Lydia]

I've had friends who had many negative experiences with the pill, and the shot. And heard of more. They seem to work for some women, but for how long, and are there long-term effects? I would say probably yes. There are many documented cases of women becoming infertile from them, when they later marry and try to conceive.

There are natural methods, but I can't really say here as I am not a health care professional and I don't really know them off-hand, but the Pagans knew this in the old days. Also knowing when the woman is ovulating, and bearing in mind that sperm lives for 5 or so days, so timing is important.

Each case is unique, so there is no one-size-fits-all method.

Something to keep in mind though, if people had better communication and relationship skills and weren't so brainwashed, then most people would be getting married and having families in their 20's, instead of still in the 30's looking for abortions because they got impregnated from a random drunken hookup.

Thank you for your reply.

The point you made at the end is indeed also very important.


As for natural methods, this may not be applicable to all people, as it requires significant mind power, but I had the thought conception can be prevented by having it in mind strongly that one does not want to conceive with whomever they have sex with in cases where they do not want to conceive with a partner, in combination with ejaculating outside.

The mind itself directing the causality away from any causal outcomes where conception occurs after sex.

Or have it in mind that conception fails even if the conditions would make it happen (let it be expelled or removed by the body similar to a morning after pill, but naturally as it happens in cases of a failed conception, without any of the side effects an invasive pill has on the body), in cases where you do not want it to occur.

I also had the thought that one can estimate the probability of conception in case one has unprotected sex, ahead of time, and decide accordingly what to do. Then with enough mind power, the causal outcome can be directed away from conception.

The inverse also being applicable in case one wants to conceive, to allow one full control over when or if one wants to conceive or not, and if one wants, to let it occur as one desires.


Since the way souls merge during intercourse and at the moment of conception plays such a huge role in successfully conceiving, I had the feeling that one with great mind power and spiritual understanding can have significant or even full control over this process, allowing one among other things to have sex without need for physical anti-conception methods or worry of any kind related to this.

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

 

[darkmonkey666]

Planned Parenthood is a horribly corrupt Jewish organization. I don't think we should use them for anything. They probably even do sacrifice rituals. Also find an abortion doctor who is fully gentile (going to be very hard if not impossible)
I think these places should be avoided complely if possible cause they are a bunch of Jews just like the gender reassignment stuff in fact some Abortion providers provide those services as well.

With that said I think there are circumstances this is needed and actually less harmful to the soul than the child being born in bad circumstances but that is not what this is mostly used for anymore 90+ percent of the time.

 

[Soul Wings]

Please forgive me for the inconvenience as I'm going to be replying to many posts in one, so I don't bump the thread too much and mostly new opinions and perspectives hopefully come chime in. If I skipped anyone, it is because I attempted but had nothing much to say about your post I haven't already mentioned here.

If you take the pill and morning after pill it can also cause excess estrogen production so it's best used only if needed.
Generally, a lot of people don't know that the pill is not actually 99% effective with typical use. It is actually more like 91% in actuality. This is why condom use is important, but not everyone can use those safely and 100% foolproof either.

Your post is great. It kind of goes over a lot of what I was trying to say (not very well). Yes, people need to start taking responsibility, but "forcing" women to do anything just won't work. We need to start by finding out why these extreme circumstances happen in the first place. There are things that are not so obvious, like "condoms ruin my sensation", "allergic to condoms", "pills make me gain weight" and such. We could be putting funding into finding more effective birth control, or combatting bad side effects and such things. But for this to happen we also need to listen without judgement.

Anyway, they will start with our uteruses, yoink/control our birth control, and end in men's testes. If the tables were turned, would women stand in the way? This thread reminded me, it is a big question mark. It COULD be as bad as the end of humanity. Yes, currently we have birth control so the point of my thread may seem moot. I know it seems I am premature with this, and many don't like it because the topic is so "taboo", I stated my stance pretty strongly and I am simply asking for support. I am not even in the US, I am in Australia where it's still perfectly legal. I don't want it to happen here, so I am addressing it in advance. Women are already just going, "well fuck it, I can't take the chance on BC. I'll go get snipped". This in itself is worrying, because now instead of being on the fence, it is now much harder to reverse their decision unlike BC. They are unknowingly playing into the jewish agenda.

Yes, we do not think like we normally do in sexual situations. I have listened to a few men talk about the about the lack of feeling in condoms, however many come to the conclusion that it is simply not worth accidental pregnancy.

Long term continuous use of the pill is not recommended by doctors and they suggest to have a period every 3 months as your body does still need to shed these things.

Personally, aside from BC, I have taken the pill for my acne and also to allow my period to be less inconvenient for my everyday life. There were days where I'd get it in the middle of working and I'd have to pissbolt to the bathroom in the middle of my shift. I also have incredibly, incredibly bad mood swings, the worst headaches possible and just hormonal shit. However that's just me and are minor inconveniences - I know women that have to go to hospital, have pains so bad they cannot move, etc.

I do hope in future we have a large array of BC at our disposal so that abortion can become a very rare thing.
Please do not worry about rambling. We need to be able to discuss these things openly to progress as a society.

I can comment briefly on this.
I think baby trapping is very evil. These are not accidents and manipulative pregnancies. It simply shouldn't happen. Women who do this to men, it is pathetic and perpetuating distrust between the sexes. Pregnancies should be consent between two people in the best circumstances possible and that's that.
The problem is, baby trapping - it is hard to prove. I believe this should be looked into, but you also have to understand there are also men who genuinely are just deadbeats and blast their seed around without a care and surprised pikachu when the women get pregnant. They are muddying the waters for the men who are genuinely baby trapped and lied to about bc by women and such. These deadbeats might even try to use "I was baby trapped" as an excuse to get out of responsibility for their actions, so we have to be careful here. As far as I'm aware, we do not have any solutions for separating the wheat from the chaff in this regard. If we do end up with such things, I will be behind it 100%.

Planned Parenthood is a horribly corrupt Jewish organization.

Personally, this is news to me. Their information seems current, pretty clear and concise. They are usually the people women ring to deal with things like abortion so I figured they were a good source to go to.
Do you have any information you can point me to on this?
Also, I do not deny the possibility that abortion could be used by the jews for nefarious means, however that is not a good enough reason to ban abortion for all people, in my opinion.

 

[Jack]

All of this stuff about not having enough money to take care of a child is due to Jewish Fractional Reserve banking and rising commodity prices. Your parents could afford to pay for a house but you can't. And even then they used to have abortions. The country sends billions of dollars to useless pursuits and in many states of Europe where Healthcare is free ,abortions are still high. None of ot even matters anymore.

We need to look at this at a broad scale not focused upon the mother or child. Specifically, we need to remove what is right or wrong and look at the results on a civilizational scale.

The Non Whites who are pouring into America and Europe do not in general have or condone Abortions like Whites and Black's do. They come from countries where Abortions are shameful. In essence they are going to have multiple kids ,even if they cannot financially take care of them. They don't care about the cost benefit analysis that Whites do.

In a war of attrition which is currently going on ,Whites will not be able to exist alongside a high fertility population like the non Whites. That is the real issue, not this metaphysical right or wrong.

Abortions are good for Eugenics purposes in Majority White countries which wad the case a 100 years ago. That is not the case now, the situation is completely different. Every boy and girl born is a soldier who is engaged in a war between two sides. Each White person or Non White person born is a War Unit born into either side.

They're going to release mass casualty Bioweapons (Not Vaccines) and wipe out the Third World populations but not before they make Europe and America Completely Non White through Immigration.

1 Billion Non Whites will be transported into Europe and America according to the WEF by 2030 because of Climate Catastrophes.

All of this stuff about not being able to give the child a proper education and life is already null and void from the beginning of the pandemic hoax. The economy is going to crash and no one will be rich or poor. No one will have good paying jobs and no one will have a good lifestyle. The only purpose of breeding children is to establish a situation in which after the collapse you would be able to supplant the Invaders and the Vaccinated in a Final series of battles.

Imagine this - After the collapse you have a situation where majority Non Whites are inside your country and you can't fight with them because you aborted all your babies, they didn't and now you don't have soldiers. Maybe those Children have been saved of enormous Suffering but was it worth it on a civilizational scale ? Or for the future of this world ?

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

...

This all well and good, but it misses the point.

For one, whether abortion exists or not, is not going to change the outcome of this either way, therefore there is no point focusing on this whatsoever because it is irrelevant to the situation at hand.

It exists now, therefore it should remain, since it is wasted effort to complain about it's existence.

The financial issue is far more significant, and this is only going to be solved when the white people in the west take action and revolt against the governments to take back their rights, power and control, to reverse the immense money wastage and give people back their financial power which has been artificially shrunk.

The way to combat this flood of immigration and the lack of white fertility, is not through banning birth control and then breeding like rabbits as these immigrants do. That will only accelerate the descent into squalor and absolute third world living standards, like slums in India and whatever.

This is something that needs to be tackled fundamentally from the core issue at hand, which is the enemy NWO agenda against whites and Gentiles as a whole.

It has nothing to do with this discussion here, and has nothing to do with abortion whatsoever.

Again, none of the issues that are the cause of low fertility rates among whites in Europe and America are related to abortion rights or use of birth control, it is due to the social erosion by the jew, the destruction of the family unit, the destruction of peoples financial power, the destruction of natural preservation instincts in people, the destruction of racial understanding in people, etc.

When these issues are acknowledged and tackled by the society, all symptomatic causal results from these issues will all get resolved almost over night, since the underlying problem is tackled.

None of this band aid solution stuff is going to do anything whatsoever and only opens up the doors to further exploitation of people and erosion of human freedoms and rights.

If you cannot see that, then you are in no place to comment on this whatsoever.

Solving the underlying issues requires a full fundamental overhaul of the status quo in the west, which can only be achieved through the toppling of the enemy power structure so that other intellectual forms of thought and socio-political ideology and discussion becomes possible again, allowing people to openly address and acknowledge these issues and address the core problems underlying this.

Blaming this stuff on abortion, or on white woman who don't have their lives together and end up sleeping around, is completely useless and accomplishes nothing whatsoever.


About that plan to bring 1 billion immigrants over, I've said this many times, all these things are just plans.

None of this is set in stone. Even if the enemy causes climate disasters, again, none of this is set in stone.

Do not affirm that it is happening or that this is going to be the case by 2030. Doing so only plays into the enemy hand and makes it more likely for this to manifest. We are to reject this in its entirety.

When the white racial consciousness rejects these things, due to the waking up from xianity induced coma, none of this is ever happening, even if the jews literally try to sink the entire Middle East into the ocean.

All these "plans" are literally just plans, just like how covid was a plan, and the kalergi plan.

Some of these things manifest to an extend, as we are dealing with covid now, however if the enemy had their way 100% in this, all societies would have been forcefully vaccinated 100% already with the military around the world literally dragging all people out of their houses and injecting them monthly with booster shots to keep the people sedated and controlled.

We aren't there yet, even though the enemy is trying to get there, with their fema camps and mandatory vaccination plans, but even after 2 years under this brutal Saturn transit and the enemy dropping all masks, going full throttle, we still aren't there yet, and resistance against it is mounting by the day.

Therefore, the plan has mostly failed, and is on track to collapse totally in the next few years. The enemy knows this, so they are desperate to continue with the next thing on the agenda to keep the ball rolling for them and to try desperately to reverse the complete and fatal failure that is looming over them.

Due to these plans having been set in motion for a long time, and due to energies being fueled into the jew power structure for thousands of years, as HP HoodedCobra explained, the car is driving maximum speed ahead and the brakes are broken, however we can steer this away from the completely damning projections and plans of the enemy by taking control of the wheel.

Therefore, under our work and efforts, especially after the JoS expands greatly with time alongside the acceleration of the enemy in their implementing of the agenda, none of this 2030 shit is even going to manifest for 10% of it, since we are around to take the wheel and crash the enemy buss straight into the abyss while preventing the complete crashing and burning of the rest of the world.


You were warned before not to do any such doom saying and what is essentially fear mongering for the enemy.

Making people aware of the enemy agenda is important, but do not affirm it as something that is bound to happen.

It must be understood it is a plan, and therefore it can be changed or prevented for the most part. This is what we are doing.

If people read that shit you write, they will think there's no hope anyway and just give up, effectively giving the enemy the free pass to domination of the entire world.

So fuck off with that, since we do not stand for the enemy agenda and are exactly making it known through our manifestations by our efforts that these projections are just projections in the end, and that the actual manifested end result depends on the power of the opposition against the enemy and their predictive programming, plans, projections, etc.

Nothing goes as the enemy planned and desired, because we stand opposed to it.

It is us who decide to what extend the enemy has their way, and it is our purpose to destroy the enemy before they can ruin the entire Earth and destroy the white race irreversibly.

We decide the future and what manifests. Not the other way around.

Hail Satan!

 

[mindy87]

The Mississipp law that the Supreme Court is working on has no exceptions for rape or incest, and neither does the Texas law.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/texas/mississippi-abortion-law-v-texas-sb8-difference/285-c5e17d1e-0596-4ef0-8a53-1bd3fdd8b568

I don’t if this was mentioned, but the people that are like to vote to outlaw abortion are all total Christards.

 

[Lunar Dance 666]

To be fair, reading about the oppressingly tone of "women must take contraception" at the start of this topic, without even knowing what it does.. Seems to me to also be highly irresponsible of the men, not to mention the sense of being completely insensitive to the topic at hand.

The Birth Control pill has many side effects. Though they are considered mild by modern science , the fact still stands that long term use quite often to not being able to become pregnant at all. The thing to "take time off from it" isn't just "one month". It can take anywhere from months to years to ween off the effect, not to mention your body does have a hard time having normal regular periods also.
To some it never returns to what it was.
Having studied some herbalism, yes there is a herbal method to help normalize this.

Do you seriously think that something so harmful should be taken? If it was you on that end of the stick "lets make birth control pill for men so they won't produce sperm".. how many of you would actually take it?!

I bet you'd be thinking "This is unnatural and unhealthy I am not taking it." Yet you are promoting this shit your partners?!

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

Lydia, perhaps books on midwifery contain the information you seek. There were entire books written on female complaints specificly, even during the medieval period.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

.......

What I was mostly promoting was condoms. I said that I don't like those pills and I think they are dangerous for most people. But there are many different kinds of options with new ones being invented all the time. More safe options are being created.

And I also tried to make it very clear that I would blame both parents equally, the woman and the man were both being irresponsible. Since both of them are doing half of the work.

 

[Soul Wings]

In terms of BC, not many here really thought to stress the point that it should be a man's responsibility too. Not many really acknowledged how invasive BC can be either. It speaks for itself really.

Permanent damage is unfortunate, but as a fully grown, sexually educated woman you have to accept that this is a possible downside. This and other horrid side effects. Doctors give us plenty of information these days and we have ways of finding out ourselves which we should be doing.
I also read that weaning off birth control can change who you are attracted to. Which means it is altering our hormones in some way as well. I know I certainly feel different when I take it. Not all women do though. This is a very individual thing.

There is actually a male birth control pill currently being trialed.

"Some participants (including some on the placebo) reported mild side effects, such as:

Acne
Headaches
Mild erectile dysfunction
Reduced sex drive
Tiredness
Weight gain of 5 lbs. or less"

Soooo..... Show of hands, who wants to try it? Hey, where did everybody go?

***

I figured on this point I'll speak up on another "argument" people have been trying to make.
I just simply don't understand why what other women do with their bodies affects oneself in any way, shape or form. If a woman you are not dating "uses abortion as bc", how is that your business, and how does that affect you? Even if you think it's "morally wrong" - It is not your "child" (I think a fetus is a cell, not a child. It is by definition not a fully formed child anyway), nor your body, nor your partner, nor your life.

There are so many people in this world. If you don't want a promiscuous woman as a partner - you don't have to have one. If you don't want STDs, find a partner that gets tested. If you don't want a woman to cheat on you, do a working for a faithful partner. If you want your woman to give birth to a child, find one that wants one. As a Satanist especially - what is so hard about any of that? If I walked up to you and said, "Stop eating that pepperoni pizza", I know you guys would for a fact tell me to fuck off. So why the surprised pikachu when the same thing is happening on much more serious and modern matters? How is this even slightly a reasonable excuse or argument to force women to have unwanted children?

Lastly I wanted to mention an interesting correlation I had was on another spiritual note. This is more speculation on my part so if this doesn't interest you, no worries. I don't know how many people know here, but Lilith is an advocate for women's rights, abortion and so on. (I want to state that I do not know her stance and I do not pretend to! Those who are curious please ask her yourself!) Anyway, I did not realise this myself but after some research Lilith is Satan's favourite wife. I can personally see she has a lot of work cut out for herself. Crown chakra = lily = Lilith. What does this mean about high spiritual knowledge? What does this mean about the divine feminine? Does this mean if women are fully free so too are men? Does it simply mean we should work together as one? So many questions... so much meditating to do.

 

[Soul Wings]

Yes, that stance is undeniably synonymous with Westboro and xtians in general. What fantastic organisations to stand next to and shout in protest. Jesus would be proud. But people can do whatever they want.
I must admit to you personally, that I did not expect - at all - such an overwhelmingly strong opposition to what I had posted. Part of me did not think it would be posted at all. I was so overwhelmed (and maybe a little bit disappointed) I had to physically rest on the first day. I do realise this subject can be very political, and perhaps even personal. I wondered why I did it for a while after. But looking at the thread now, a few days later, and after some spiritual speculation, I have a little more hope, and I'm glad I did it.

 

[HPS Lydia]

To be fair, reading about the oppressingly tone of "women must take contraception" at the start of this topic, without even knowing what it does.. Seems to me to also be highly irresponsible of the men, not to mention the sense of being completely insensitive to the topic at hand.

The Birth Control pill has many side effects. Though they are considered mild by modern science , the fact still stands that long term use quite often to not being able to become pregnant at all. The thing to "take time off from it" isn't just "one month". It can take anywhere from months to years to ween off the effect, not to mention your body does have a hard time having normal regular periods also.
To some it never returns to what it was.
Having studied some herbalism, yes there is a herbal method to help normalize this.

Do you seriously think that something so harmful should be taken? If it was you on that end of the stick "lets make birth control pill for men so they won't produce sperm".. how many of you would actually take it?!

I bet you'd be thinking "This is unnatural and unhealthy I am not taking it." Yet you are promoting this shit your partners?!

I agree, plus with advanced psychic abilities, pregnancy wouldn't be a surprise. I do feel that advanced beings can prevent pregnancy until planned, leaving sex to be fully enjoyable without the stress of "what if".

Lydia, perhaps books on midwifery contain the information you seek. There were entire books written on female complaints specificly, even during the medieval period.

I knew a woman who had some terrible problems from the birth control pill. She got her period, and it didn't stop for a full month, and only stopped because she stopped taking the pill.

Thanks for the info on the books, I will look into them, more for knowledge sake and to inform other women.