Can I still do Opening of the Soul while on Paroxetine?

[ac20]

Hello,

I might have to take Paroxetine HCL at around ~10mg. Could I still do the Opening of the Soul/Chakra meditations? The main website mentions that no one taking psychiatric medications should attempt them. What about Power meditations and FRTR/ Demon Rituals in general? I'm a young man in my 20's.

In my previous posts I mentioned that my parents have tried to make me take antidepressants- in this case, paroxetine hcl. I am back to my old tricks again, pretending to take them, though I do not know how long this could last, as eventually they might want to see for themselves that I am indeed taking them. However, I have done things to gain their trust quite a bit. Also, my living situation is going to change, so they won't be able to monitor me on the daily, but then, what if they ask me for a video of me taking the pill?

So, taking them for real might sadly have to be an option soon.

They can't really institutionalize me, legally speaking, but I feel like that is besides the point. The point is, they want me to be taking these pills, and if I don't, there will be consequences for me. Not sure what, but there will be. I live with them, and they pay the bills, my education, my car, everything.

I'm trying to be an adult in this world, and I think what I've learned is that life isn't all about getting what you want. I can't be playing games anymore, that's not how mature people do things. Or perhaps this is 'soyboy' thinking? Was I right in pretending to take them? Are they truly tyrants who have no respect for my autonomy? Or am I being childish about things?

I could try to reason with them, but I don't know how things will go.

The more I think about things, the more angry and discontent I get. The strategy I see for myself, is to gain my parents approval by taking them for now. And for the rest of this year, I will work towards gaining part time employment somewhere, and from there, work towards becoming somewhat independent. Things will be tricky if I can't do certain meditations/workings, but I will try anyways.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You're an adult. They can't force you to take any kind of drug. Especially if you don't live with them.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

You're an adult. They can't force you to take any kind of drug. Especially if you don't live with them.

He just said he lives with them and they pay for everything. Including food, education, etc.

To OP, this should be a temporary period where you have some restrictions but you must build some steps for financial independence and motivate yourself.

Also, don't try to focus much on empowerment while on coerced medication. Only cleaning, protection, and void should suffice. You don't need to open your chakra just clean them and build foundations.

 

[Syt]

Hi ac20,
I like that you are wanting to become mature and take charge of your life. Every man should be independent and you are right to feel angry and discontent at your situation. You are also within your right to reject any medication, but I think that the parental concerns stem from them wanting a better quality of life for both you and themselves.
One of the greatest gifts that the Gods have given us is the knowledge of science and medicine.
While the medication may alleviate the symptoms of your illness, I don't believe that it is a cure. And may be prove to be a detrimental crutch in the long-run.

What I would suggest is doing mediations that harmonize both hemispheres of your brain and stabilize your thoughts. These will also empower your soul.

These meditations are:
1. Long and deep full breathing.
2. Vibrating AUM
3. Vibrating SATANAMA
4. Visualizing the shape of Dagaz rune shining in the center of your head -- connecting both hemispheres of the brain with its shape. Spend around 7-8 minutes doing this daily.

Be sure to always end a session by affirming something like: I am now have perfect mental health and always thinking clearly.

HS.

Hello,

I might have to take Paroxetine HCL at around ~10mg. Could I still do the Opening of the Soul/Chakra meditations? The main website mentions that no one taking psychiatric medications should attempt them. What about Power meditations and FRTR/ Demon Rituals in general? I'm a young man in my 20's.

In my previous posts I mentioned that my parents have tried to make me take antidepressants- in this case, paroxetine hcl. I am back to my old tricks again, pretending to take them, though I do not know how long this could last, as eventually they might want to see for themselves that I am indeed taking them. However, I have done things to gain their trust quite a bit. Also, my living situation is going to change, so they won't be able to monitor me on the daily, but then, what if they ask me for a video of me taking the pill?

So, taking them for real might sadly have to be an option soon.

They can't really institutionalize me, legally speaking, but I feel like that is besides the point. The point is, they want me to be taking these pills, and if I don't, there will be consequences for me. Not sure what, but there will be. I live with them, and they pay the bills, my education, my car, everything.

I'm trying to be an adult in this world, and I think what I've learned is that life isn't all about getting what you want. I can't be playing games anymore, that's not how mature people do things. Or perhaps this is 'soyboy' thinking? Was I right in pretending to take them? Are they truly tyrants who have no respect for my autonomy? Or am I being childish about things?

I could try to reason with them, but I don't know how things will go.

The more I think about things, the more angry and discontent I get. The strategy I see for myself, is to gain my parents approval by taking them for now. And for the rest of this year, I will work towards gaining part time employment somewhere, and from there, work towards becoming somewhat independent. Things will be tricky if I can't do certain meditations/workings, but I will try anyways.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

You're parents just want for you to be a functional person. You said you had all kinds of serious emotional problems that prevented you from being able to live in a healthy or functional way. This is the entire reason why they want to force you to take pills, because they believe that the pills will help you with removing these problems.

Get rid of these problems. Become a healthy functioning person. And then there is zero reason for any pills and they can't make you do anything.

Then you say "I am better now, I have no problem, and it is not because of the drugs because I have not been taking them this whole time and I have been lying about taking them. I fixed all my problems just by changing my mindset and deciding to have a better life. There is no problems now and no reason for any drugs."

And they will be extremely happy for you.

 

[ac20]

You're parents just want for you to be a functional person. You said you had all kinds of serious emotional problems that prevented you from being able to live in a healthy or functional way. This is the entire reason why they want to force you to take pills, because they believe that the pills will help you with removing these problems.

Get rid of these problems. Become a healthy functioning person. And then there is zero reason for any pills and they can't make you do anything.

You helped me see things in better perspective. I need to work more intelligently at treating this anxiety and overthinking, then when my parents notice how much I've improved, they will be open to letting me get off of the medication.

What I would suggest is doing mediations that harmonize both hemispheres of your brain and stabilize your thoughts. These will also empower your soul.

I will do these workings now while I'm not on the medication. And maybe when I'm on the meds, I could focus more on vibrating the runes and the affirmations?

Also, don't try to focus much on empowerment while on coerced medication. Only cleaning, protection, and void should suffice. You don't need to open your chakra just clean them and build foundations.

Could I continue doing Yogic Breath, Foundation meditation and Chakra spin as well?


I think I will also try to do some FRTR while I still can, and I will do other kinds of work for the Gods, in addition to improving myself overall.
Perhaps workings that are less visualization-heavy are still safe for me to do despite the medication.

Thank you, everybody.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

You're parents just want for you to be a functional person. You said you had all kinds of serious emotional problems that prevented you from being able to live in a healthy or functional way. This is the entire reason why they want to force you to take pills, because they believe that the pills will help you with removing these problems.

Get rid of these problems. Become a healthy functioning person. And then there is zero reason for any pills and they can't make you do anything.

Then you say "I am better now, I have no problem, and it is not because of the drugs because I have not been taking them this whole time and I have been lying about taking them. I fixed all my problems just by changing my mindset and deciding to have a better life. There is no problems now and no reason for any drugs."

And they will be extremely happy for you.

Where did he say he had emotional problems? Not in this post. Not sure which one you're reading.

Also, this is not how it works with parents that force their young children to be on medication. Most cases the parents are paranoid themselves if they found out he's not taking them and was lying they might get more controlling or manipulative.

Also, if OP does have problems it's not as simple as "just get healthy bro and tell your parents you were lying." If he's having problems it can be a lifetime of healing and self-development or atleast his early life into adulthood.

I really really hate these simple minded answers to questions like this. Like someone writing a paragraph of their life problems they are trying to heal and fix for years. Then someone replies "do a freeing soul working." or "do return curses part 1 and 2."

I admire members like Blitz and other members because of their attention to detail and feeling like you're heard then getting a solution with all what it entails.

Other memebers even if they are longtime and "off-mod" members are actually giving super dumb, simple-minded, copy-paste, empty answers. That's what I feel sometimes, reading other people's topics.

 

[Hyperactive Melon]

Hello,

I might have to take Paroxetine HCL at around ~10mg. Could I still do the Opening of the Soul/Chakra meditations? The main website mentions that no one taking psychiatric medications should attempt them. What about Power meditations and FRTR/ Demon Rituals in general? I'm a young man in my 20's.

In my previous posts I mentioned that my parents have tried to make me take antidepressants- in this case, paroxetine hcl. I am back to my old tricks again, pretending to take them, though I do not know how long this could last, as eventually they might want to see for themselves that I am indeed taking them. However, I have done things to gain their trust quite a bit. Also, my living situation is going to change, so they won't be able to monitor me on the daily, but then, what if they ask me for a video of me taking the pill?

So, taking them for real might sadly have to be an option soon.

They can't really institutionalize me, legally speaking, but I feel like that is besides the point. The point is, they want me to be taking these pills, and if I don't, there will be consequences for me. Not sure what, but there will be. I live with them, and they pay the bills, my education, my car, everything.

I'm trying to be an adult in this world, and I think what I've learned is that life isn't all about getting what you want. I can't be playing games anymore, that's not how mature people do things. Or perhaps this is 'soyboy' thinking? Was I right in pretending to take them? Are they truly tyrants who have no respect for my autonomy? Or am I being childish about things?

I could try to reason with them, but I don't know how things will go.

The more I think about things, the more angry and discontent I get. The strategy I see for myself, is to gain my parents approval by taking them for now. And for the rest of this year, I will work towards gaining part time employment somewhere, and from there, work towards becoming somewhat independent. Things will be tricky if I can't do certain meditations/workings, but I will try anyways.

No dont do those yet first balance your soul when youre healthy come iff those drugs and then start balancing itself takes a long time

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Where did he say he had emotional problems? Not in this post.

You're right. He said this in other posts in the past other times he has asked for advice for this same ongoing situation. Maybe you don't remember this, but I do and so does he.

Now I don't have time to look at the rest of your post that looked like bullshit assumptions and accusations.

 

[Henu the Great]

Where did he say he had emotional problems? Not in this post. Not sure which one you're reading.

He didn't, but reading through his earlier posts it was obvious at that point in time there were emotional problems. Problems are likely still factoring in in some ways today.

Also, this is not how it works with parents that force their young children to be on medication. Most cases the parents are paranoid themselves if they found out he's not taking them and was lying they might get more controlling or manipulative.

OP is an adult...

I really really hate these simple minded answers to questions like this. Like someone writing a paragraph of their life problems they are trying to heal and fix for years. Then someone replies "do a freeing soul working." or "do return curses part 1 and 2."

I admire members like Blitz and other members because of their attention to detail and feeling like you're heard then getting a solution with all what it entails.

Other memebers even if they are longtime and "off-mod" members are actually giving super dumb, simple-minded, copy-paste, empty answers. That's what I feel sometimes, reading other people's topics.

Many questions warrant a simple answer as the questions most of the time are simple giving very little detail of surrounding factors. Your criticism is understandable, but at the same time perhaps you do not understand that we have hundreds of questions every month and there is a certain amount of overlap concerning questions. And limited time... Are we going to write essays for every answer, or are we going to be efficient with our time and give concise answers that should cover bases for most cases most of the time? And if not, then we can ask for clarification on the subject and give more detailed answers later on.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Also, this is not how it works with parents that force their young children to be on medication.

You are now the one making assumptions based on nothing, with no knowledge of the situation. Because you never witnessed the majority of the conversation which has been spread over multiple topics. You have only heard the last couple words, and you come in pretending that you know what is happening.

Where did anybody say anything about young children being forced to take any pills? Not from any of us. This guy is an adult, he is not a young child. And whatever generalization you are imagining based on comparisons to different hypothetical situations has nothing to do with the situation we are talking about now, which you seem to not know anything about.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

Also, this is not how it works with parents that force their young children to be on medication.

You are now the one making assumptions based on nothing, with no knowledge of the situation. Because you never witnessed the majority of the conversation which has been spread over multiple topics. You have only heard the last couple words, and you come in pretending that you know what is happening.

Where did anybody say anything about young children being forced to take any pills? Not from any of us. This guy is an adult, he is not a young child. And whatever generalization you are imagining based on comparisons to different hypothetical situations has nothing to do with the situation we are talking about now, which you seem to not know anything about.

I am fully aware he's an adult. So what he is of legal adult age? What does being an adult mean if your parents provide food, housing, paying for his education, and allowance? This means his parents have full control over his life. Let's say his parents had a tantrum and now they won't pay for his education or whatever essentials else. What difference does being 21 or even 30 mean at this point?

I am just speaking from a different pov maybe being an adult means different things in different parts in the world. But from what I've experienced it isn't so simple.

For example middle eastern parents can even deny your right to marry, have a car, won't pay for your education or basically anything else if they so liked. Why because they have the power in the first place. They pay for your livelihood. Being a 28 year old won't even matter then.

It is not about being an adult but having independence. Which OP clearly stated he doesn't have and that's where the whole dilemma comes from.

I know I might have sounded aggressive and it's unpleasant. But I really do think if you're gonna reply to someone who is going through something then it should have the needed effort. If you don't have time to reply to all of the messages. You never had to but make sure that when you reply it counts.

These forums are a place of sacred knowledge and special wisdom. So cookie cutter replies won't cut it. We are the only forum dealing with the deepest of life's mysteries. So add depth to your responses. At least that's my point of view.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Keep your "cookie cutter" bullshit to yourself. There isn't anything "cookie cutter" from me.

If you are not satisfied with my advice, then keep in mind that This topic is just one small piece of the conversation which has been spread over multiple topics, and I have given him further advice about this situation in the past. What you see in this topic is a continuation of added advice, not the entirety of what I have said.

I already said that this is the reason why you don't understand what his situation is, since you obviously have not read all of the posts. I'm not sure why you keep ignoring this.

 

[AFODO]

Blitz

maan, you just have to love Blitzkreig. : )

What is written on the JoS should be taken seriously, so yes, don't open your chakras, ac20, until you haven't got rid of such medications.

What I would recommend is to look for herbs that replace it. Acupoints, and such TCM medications. I would pay for centralforce's consultation if you have the money https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=376531#p376531

Having this kind of relationship with your parents is not healthy, you have to break free from this. If the problem resided, you can start opening your chakras.

Since I don't know this person life, mercury_wisdom, I can't give further advises, as these have to be individual, I'm sorry for that.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

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Keep your "cookie cutter" bullshit to yourself. There isn't anything "cookie cutter" from me.

If you are not satisfied with my advice, then keep in mind that This topic is just one small piece of the conversation which has been spread over multiple topics, and I have given him further advice about this situation in the past. What you see in this topic is a continuation of added advice, not the entirety of what I have said.

I already said that this is the reason why you don't understand what his situation is, since you obviously have not read all of the posts. I'm not sure why you keep ignoring this.

Don't take this so personally. I am not talking about you specifically. Although, I did see some replies from you that brought this frustration to me before.

I have explained in the beginning my main frustration is with some long-time off-mod members having these types of replies to topics. The ones that we have a member voicing a frustration in detail. Then a long time member will reply with "do a banishing ritual", "do void meditation" and just feeling unheard in general and giving a solution that is not very practical to the specific situation.

I think brothers/sisters Blitz, NakedPluto, VoiceofEnki, Lydia, alongside others have the best approaches to this. The ones you feel heard, understood, then given a specific solution that's practical and with keeping in mind your situation too, gives you the whole picture, and with all the details.

That's my main point here nothing else. I apologize if I offended you. It has been frustrating to me for a very long time and my criticism to this point in this way might have not been appropriate I apologize for that. I should've just created a new topic in this way. It could've been a seperate discussion and also not to jumble up this thread.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Why do you keep telling people not to spiritually advance, not to try to make any attempt to help themselves, and specifically tell people not to do any meditations? You keep doing this to multiple people in multiple different topics. It honestly looks suspicious like you don't have good intentions.

 

[Henu the Great]

That's my main point here nothing else. I apologize if I offended you. It has been frustrating to me for a very long time and my criticism to this point in this way might have not been appropriate I apologize for that. I should've just created a new topic in this way. It could've been a seperate discussion and also not to jumble up this thread.

You should have simply interacted with your own topic (since the issue at hand partly stems from there) when the replies you received were not satisfactory to you. When you ignore a reply then it is impossible to work on that.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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Well you said all of that as a reply to me while quoting me, and the rest of your reply was also criticizing and complaining about thinking my advice was not good enough. So it's hard to see it as any way of you not talking about me.

I don't mind if there is anything you don't like about me. It doesn't bother me if the criticism is true because it is helping me by showing me something I could improve. And if the criticism is not true, I am ready and able to explain the full reasons and justification for anything that I do or any choice that I make. I don't do anything without making a purposeful choice based on some specific reasons, and I am ready to explain the reasons at any time. But if a criticism about me is not true, I am going to respond to explain that.

 

[MercuryWisdom]

That's my main point here nothing else. I apologize if I offended you. It has been frustrating to me for a very long time and my criticism to this point in this way might have not been appropriate I apologize for that. I should've just created a new topic in this way. It could've been a seperate discussion and also not to jumble up this thread.

You should have simply interacted with your own topic (since the issue at hand partly stems from there) when the replies you received were not satisfactory to you. When you ignore a reply then it is impossible to work on that.

Most of my threads that I ever created had amazing replies and I am always very thankful and grateful to the members that take their time to reply in full detail even if it's not really a solution but to show empathy and that I am understood. I don't necessarily have troubles with my threads.

But it's so frustrating to me to see newer members that vent out a whole essay and they get a reply that doesn't address their vents it really pisses me off and it just feels wrong when I read them. I just feel this is not how the forums should be. A huge cluster fuck of attention and essayed drama arguememts on worthless trolling threads then the real threads with real problems has inappropriate lack of attention or simple replies.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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You can keep doing your meditations, but also refer these questions to your GD or Satan, just for safety.

You have to be more open about your dislike of taking these pills and ask your parents if there is an alternative for you. Show them studies on the negative effects of anti-depressants. If you get better before this, they will think the pills are what did this.

However, unless they are shoving the pill down your throat, they cannot force you to take them. Even if they watch you, they can only do this so much, not every single time. I cannot comment on the physical safety of inconsistent usage of the pills, however, but I am just saying it is basically impossible for them to enforce this.

The heart of the problem is not just about independence, but about striking a fair and mutual relationship with your parents. Simply leaving them is not exactly a solution to this, especially as your family should be your closest allies.

So tell them you are concerned about the side effects, and want to either reduce the dose or take an alternative. As you reduce the dose, make sure you are actually resolving some of your patterns of behavior that led to anxiety.

Just as a reminder, the human body is very resilient, especially for those who practice meditations and yoga. For addressing anxious thoughts, you must be using methods to actually calm yourself, such as balancing your yin energies with ether, chanting Berkano, Isa, or Nauthiz, alternate nose breathing, or hatha yoga.

You can also direct solar energy towards healing conditions, such as when you were concerned about Tetanus or other infections. It might be hard for you to tell if this works, but trust me that it does work. Because you are making an immediate change to the body, this doesn't take as much energy as you may think. Combine this with acupoints to stimulate the immune response, or heal local damage, and you have nothing to worry about.

 

[AFODO]

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Why do you keep telling people not to spiritually advance, not to try to make any attempt to help themselves, and specifically tell people not to do any meditations? You keep doing this to multiple people in multiple different topics. It honestly looks suspicious like you don't have good intentions.

How did you find out my secret, Sherlock?
Never advised such things. Being careful is a good thing. Mindlessly run into everything, especially something that is "invisible" but still affects you in every way, is stupid. Never advised to not to advance. The best if things being done in their own time. For example here, I only said what Maxine did.

If 5 days later, a good day comes for AoP, you would wait for that day to do a mayor AoP working, wouldn't you? But how dares the planets make you not to advance.

All of Joy of Satan is real, and everything is very powerful. You are an idiot if you think that these are not grave and very serious things, especially the spiritual structures, energetical undergoings, and meditative internal forces.

Do not force yourself and take your time to see. You feel the need to force and push to prove yourself something. It is understandable, and to do this one time, two times, you get a small sense of this, it is because you need to see that this works, but more that this should and IS disabled in your life due to the inherent danger you create by the approach and behavior you have.

The Gods don’t want you to hurt yourself. The Gods don’t give fire to a man who has clothes soaked in petrol! UNTIL you understand to treat this path seriously with care and respect, your attempts will he halved for your own safety.

To properly see and not go supremely insane, you have to practice a very calm and directional mind, with void meditation and hatha yoga for years. Otherwise, when you open the higher gates, your mind will get lost instantly in the puzzle of life and no human can bring you back.

If you open things within you, in a casual and teenage way of our modern world, without respect and awareness, and gravity, these forces will disembody your mind, your emotions, your innocence of consciousness.

You get slaps of reality and then you are put into your bench to reflect back. There are absolute and obligatory laws in this spiritual advancement that you cannot cheat.

UghH why do you say not to meditate NakedPluto :x

 

[Satya]

I think OP should actually talk to their therapist& psychiatrist about safely weaning off medications and coming up with a treatment that makes the most sense for them. If you approach the situation like an adult and communicate your needs to everyone around you, it will help you out in the long run as it shows that you are behaving like an adult. Be prepared to be questioned though, make sure you have good answers, and make sure you can actually back that up by proving to them that you’re improving.
You have to win the trust of everyone around you by being good to yourself.

Safety is the priority. Being erratic with the dosing of psychiatric meds can have negative effects to the mind.

Anyone who has seen a doctor in the past few years all encourage meditation and yoga as alternative forms of treatment. However I don’t think the typical (medical) Dr in the western world would know the ins and outs of meditation, just a warning.

 

[Henu the Great]

But it's so frustrating to me to see newer members that vent out a whole essay and they get a reply that doesn't address their vents it really pisses me off and it just feels wrong when I read them. I just feel this is not how the forums should be. A huge cluster fuck of attention and essayed drama arguememts on worthless trolling threads then the real threads with real problems has inappropriate lack of attention or simple replies.

Many times when people respond to these topics multiple answers compliment each other, adding onto others. Other times, we see one or two longer replies that cover the issue at hand. It is not always necessary to make the best or longest answer as this is teamwork. It is also noteworthy that people do this out of their goodwill without pay giving a portion of their free time to help others and in my view, this is something valuable regardless if we manage to give the best and fastest replies to the issue at hand. Most of the time it happens, so I would say that is a major win regarding the education of newbies. Given also the fact that there are only a dozen or two active participants in the English-speaking section who guide and assist people this is very well done. We could use more help, and if you are unsatisfied with the current state, then I encourage you to help us raise this level. It is a gradual process and we have seen a good amount of growth in the last few years alone.

Lastly, let's not forget that this is a public forum and in public, we also have those without. That is the reality of this world. As it stands, public areas have many sorts of discussions some of which are not pleasant for everyone to witness. It is everyone's personal decision what they listen to and speak of.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [JG]]

As opposed to falsely stagnate and procrastinate a "perfect" time and "perfect" circumstance, you must do best with the circumstance that's a reality for now. Do and see, slowly. If anything slaps you back, it means you need to take it slowly and so on. The point in these is to have discernment of what you do and what happens. Usually, by having your chemical existence altered in your brain, you cannot have by definition a good point of reference of your experience, then this means doing mistakes and deriving bad conclusions. Point being, you must sail by these and make a point of reference what is logical and basic in necessity. Doing Aura of Protection, Regular and normal cleaning, meditation of trance and energy manipulation and safe workings of runes. All of these can be done. What should not be done is extreme approaches, rapid changes in routines and other extremes of breathing exercises or internal undergoings.

Doing things methodically and incrementally from a lowest point of start, journaling and so on, of course you can and not only that, you must.

Among this, plan for freedom from any medication by talking to a doctor professional and so on and coupling this with your upwards movement of advancing, you will succed.