A new realisation about "god" and "free will" and "hell"

[FancyMancy]

Much of this is repeated. It is expanded, and some new information is included, or old information is put in a new way.



So "god" created christian and muslim hell, just in case. "god" gave you free will, and if you accept that it sent its son to be tortured for you, then you'll be saved from the hell it created just in case for you.

"jesus" defeated "the devil" - that being the devil

1. that "god" knew would rebel beforehand because "god" is supposed to be oUtSiDe Of TiMe", and
2. of the place that god created just in case you used your free will to not accept an evil, actual devil's behaviour and schizophrenic ways and wickedness against itself and its own (non-biological!) son (before Mary existed)

If you don't accept god's "present" of torturing its own son, or having its own son be tortured because tHaT wAs ThE oNlY wAy so that you don't have to go to the place that "god" created for you just in case and suffer the same fate, then god says "fuck you, then" and sends you - sends you, not doesn't stop you from going, but sends you - there...

Isn't that a rapist? An abuser? "You can choose whatever you want, but if you don't choose what I want, then I will punish you for being selfish." Selfishness is not always a bad thing. Eating, drinking, breathing is selfish... Democracy, free will, individuality, choice... don't exist at the moment.

We know that christians try and argue "you send yourself to hell", yet "god" created it, on purpose, and just in case... That also means "god" sent its son to be tortured, because after having created all of existence, excluding its own(!), it was too tired and drained, and it had to recuperate its powers from all of that effort, so it sent its son instead...

So it created hell just in case you don't accept, and if you do accept,

"Yeah, you torturing your own son/sending your own son to be tortured to death (which is also your exact self, so sending yourself to be tortured to death) is so cool and I accept your evil so that I can not be evil by living in my sinful flesh that you created me in, and so I can escape being sent by you to the same fate where you sent your own son-self. It's cool that you did that so that I can not be sent to the same place by you that you created for me just in case I used the free will that you gave me which might go against your demands. It's cool that you did that to your own son-self which existed already, but then betrayed your own son-self so that a newly-created one - me - won't be sent by you to the same fate. It's cool that I will forget all of my loved ones who go to that place you created just in case, and it's cool that I'll be a robot without thoughts, feelings, emotions, free will, etc., worshipping you as a slave for all eternity because you are so evil and insecure."

then you will be saved from the just-in-case hell it created for you, just-in-case you refused its devilishness against its own son and just-in-case you refused its self-mutilation, (which is the goal for christians to achieve, of course), the hell it sent its own son-self to, that it betrayed its own son-self for a n00b who apparently means more to it than its own already-existing-for-apparently-eternity son-self. The inconsisent "god" said in the New Testament "jesus is/I am the same yesterday, today and forever", yet for all of eternity, with "jesus" having existed alongside its dad-self, "god" didn't create Humans... then did it changed its mind and betrayed its son son-self for n00bs. That sounds like capitalism. "New Customners Only! (Old customers - meh. Go X yourself.)"

It is true, according to christians I have interacted with, that (as I think I have said on here before or the old forum) "the church is the only club that exists for its non-members". That means its old/current members should be free to go about their own personal, individual business, then...

Obviously, churches and their ministries are capitalist money sinkholes (search my posts for the £€$¥1 144 000 000 000 per year lower estimate; I have mentioned it loads of times) - for new customers new members only. Once you're locked-in, you don't get any more deals or price freezes or perks or favouritism; you get increased prices and greater obligations or lies about safety and you are forced to pay an exit/quitting/cancellation fee. Once you are locked-in, you are guilted more and more, if you're not fundamentalist yet, and have to robotise around, regurgitating the nonsense and the evil.

The bibles claim that "jesus" defeated "the devil", yet

1. "the devil" is still wondering around this World, wreaking havok,
2. "the devil" is God of this World, and
3. if you don't accept "god"'s "present" of torturing its own son, which means exactly and directly the same as mutilating itself, then the defeat of "the devil" by "jesus" means nothing; but "god" will still send you to the hell it decided to create which it did on purpose, and just in case anyway; even though "the devil" clearly is not defeated and even though "jesus" apparently rose again...

sigh

"god" created this place of "eternal torment and torture" where there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth" just in case... yet it refuses to, doesn't know how to, or doesn't care to set things in motion just in case bad things like flooding (which it pRoMiSeD never to do again) happens, etc. It chose, it decided to create, on purpose, and yes deliberately, a place of eternal torment and torture, with weeping and gnashing of teeth just in case, but it doesn't make things happen just in case a Baby, that it lies about forming in the womb, is born with birth defects. It would rather set something up just in case you choose to be your own individual free self, but not set something up just in case bad things happen because you refused to accept its evil...

catches breath

...and christians, "jesus" doesn't count because

1. "jesus" appeared in the New Testament, ignoring the previous peoples from being "saved" (is that being "the same yesterday, today and forever"?!); and
2. it became un-dead (so it's a zombie, stolen from older religion); therefore, the sAcRiFiCe is an un-sacrifice; you, on the other hand, have to actually sacrifice your life so as to bE sAvEd; yet

yet you have to worship it for all of eternity. "jesus" certainly doesn't count as any just-in-case thing, because it did less-than-a-half-arsed... bad job no-job. The reason "jesus" "came" was not just in case; the reason "jesus" "came" was a reaction. After the fact of things, not beforehand. "jesus" "coming" was a reaction, not a pre-emptive, just-in-case proaction. Indeed - christians are so lazy, and now with them in America possibly trying to sit in seats of power - couldn't they have done that 200 years ago?! PMSFL, lol. "It's OK; god will sort it out! It'S gOd'S pLan!" Baaaaaaahhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... Stupid christians.

I can't believe I used to believe this shit and defend it and promote it... Oh, and pay money into it... Oh, and pay time into it... Oh, and pay effort into it... Oh, and pay Energy into it...

christian "Individuals": You don't ever talk against islam.
Me: I wasn't a muslim. https://exposingthelieofislam.wordpress.com So stop whingeing.



Images that describe xianity honestly
https://ancient-forums.com/index.php?threads/images-that-describe-xianity-honestly.324/post-1640

Exposing Christianity
https://satanslibrary.org/ExposingChristianity/EXPOSING_CHRISTIANITY_MAIN.html

Some Truth Regarding 666
https://rpcdebateforum.freeforums.net/thread/31/truth-regarding-666

 

[Onbael_]

Why do you waste so much time on it? Do you know that 'jesus' and his fictitious story, is just a curse that exploits ALLEGORIES to deceive and destroy?

There is no point in reasoning about the literal sense of the 'new testament', only the kabalistic and allegorical sense has meaning, and that has already been exposed on kabbalah exposed.

Perhaps it is better to focus on something more useful.

 

[Onbael_]

Why do you waste so much time on it? Do you know that 'jesus' and his fictitious story, is just a curse that exploits ALLEGORIES to deceive and destroy?

There is no point in reasoning about the literal sense of the 'new testament', only the kabalistic and allegorical sense has meaning, and that has already been exposed on kabbalah exposed.

Perhaps it is better to focus on something more useful.

The arguments you have made can be used to troll some xians for fun. But otherwise it causes confusion as using this logic you visualise and rely on the literal version of the bible.

You visualise the matter as if they were real characters and this is enough to create confusion and reinforce the idea that the bible is about literal and not allegorical events, and this helps manifest every evil thing possible (messing with the power of mind to manifest the reality).

It is just an allegorical-kabalistic curse based on numbers and hebrew, nothing more. It is a cursed frequency and energy that is rapidly dying out thanks to the RTRs.

 

[Hellenic SS]

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[TheWhiteGiant]

You captured basically the entirety of that shitty bible perfectly.

Since its a bunch of lies, wrapped in lying-paper, and decorated with a lie-ribbon, it all collapses in on itself due to how much confusing and retarded paradoxical nonsense there is within it.

There is a Persian proverb that says: the liar's memory has a short life.

 

[Havoc]

If Xtaianty made perfect sense xtans would not have to think, debate and research it as much.

It being contradictory and confusing is a feature not a flaw, because you become what you meditate apon. The strategy is to have the person of faith always questioning and seeking so they don’t just accept the doctrine then go on and live their lives normally it’s something they want gentiles to spend time on, they want xtans to spend time debating nonsensical shit with non believers.

 

[FancyMancy]

Why do you waste so much time on it?

I don't consider it a waste of time. "My patented definition of insanity is doing the same thing 1000 times and expecting different results." I like to play Devil's Advocate, and I like to attempt peer-review. One can say something about something. Others also can. The more times different and unconnected people find similarities in results, the better.

Do you know that 'jesus' and his fictitious story, is just a curse that exploits ALLEGORIES to deceive and destroy?

Very much. I was a christian for a number of years. I said "I can't believe I used to believe this shit and defend it and promote it... Oh, and pay money into it... Oh, and pay time into it... Oh, and pay effort into it... Oh, and pay Energy into it..." already.

There is no point in reasoning about the literal sense of the 'new testament'

I didn't say any of it is literal.

only the kabalistic and allegorical sense has meaning

Notice my posts. I speak in metaphor, example, symbol. I give allegories to explain concepts. I speak against christianity. I don't know who visits this forum. Perhaps christians who are 'backsliding' do; perhaps former or newly-'backslidden' christians do. In my experience, they'd understand such non-literal text. They presumably wouldn't understand kabbalah-related things.

and that has already been exposed on kabbalah exposed.

While HPS Maxine and HPHC, and now HPS Lydia, were/are Clergy, I still find it important to share things besides their invaluable input. I prefer peer-review and playing Devil's advocate, but that's just me. Consider it along the lines of, "Hey, you know jesus died for our sins?" "Yeah." "It's cool that that happened, but what's cooler is that jesus un-died for our sins, so the meaning of the death was un-meant and the sacrifice was un-sacrificed.". I am also sarcastic to that christian stupidiy and nonsense. Things have been exposed and explained already and that is great, but with more people 'waking up' and learning to argue, they would not enjoy Argument from Authourity; I, not-a-HP, can share my own things which go along with the HP and HPS things, and this can work. I hope I do a good job (despite my sarcasm and things). I might not be correct 100% of the time, and that's OK. We all learn.

Perhaps it is better to focus on something more useful.

I think this is useful. Not everyone is on the same level as everyone else, has the same knowledge or understanding as everyone else. Perhaps I can make a thread, and then when arguing or debating off-forum, I can share the link to that thread for others to read. Perhaps any who come here, anywhere from atheist to hardcore fundamentalist christian, they can read the collections and information I bring, which paints a picture, and understand things in different lights. It might be just the right thing or things for some to read and understand - and the more that is collected together, the stronger it is, and the more overwhelming against christianity it is. Not everyone is in the same amount, on the same level, to the same degree. I hope that when I share things, it would be something correct for anyone who might need it. I suppose I might be considered an authourity of sorts on the subject because I lived it, but I don't have rank or status, other than not being pre-moderated.

The arguments you have made can be used to troll some xians for fun. But otherwise it causes confusion as using this logic you visualise and rely on the literal version of the bible.

As we know, christians think the stories are literal, except when they are losing arguments, then it becomes symbolic all of a sudden. See my posts where I mention Watsonian v Doylist/Doylian - one is in-universe, the other is real-life. Did Bart Simpson behave that way and say that thing because that's how his character actually would be, or is it because the script writer was an idiot and doesn't care about preventing continuity errors? Satan is not "the devil", but the word "Devil" (notice the capital D there and not there) comes from "devine" and "devi" which is a Sanskrit word (if I am not mistaken). Ask a christian what exactly the Soul is. They just try to argue, with "faith", whereas we can - and do - provide actual information and answers which are either highly irrefutable or can be argued but then explained. I realise that christians use only a Watsonian (in-universe/lore) "explanation" of what a Soul is; we use a Doylist/Doylian explanation.

You visualise the matter as if they were real characters

At first, I thought you were saying I do, so I was going to reply "No. I don't.", but I think you mean "you" in the sense of "people do".

and this is enough to create confusion and reinforce the idea that the bible is about literal and not allegorical events, and this helps manifest every evil thing possible (messing with the power of mind to manifest the reality).

Take memes. "god" says to "Joseph" - "Your wife, Mary, is a virgin". That is not literal because 1) it is merely a faerie tale fantasy story, and 2) the biblical scripture says an "angel" of "god" said Mary's pregnancy was because "god", in the form of "the holy spirit" 'came upon her' rather, in her, raping Mary and making Joseph a cuckold; but then we can add that "god" impregnated (read: raped) an underaged girl (lowercase G because it's not a Human Girl). Clearly, "god" raping a supposed living being is not literal. Since it is a nonsense story, and that a magical 'skydaddy' decided that Joseph should be cuckolded by that very same magical 'skydaddy', and Mary and Joseph accepted it all... it obviously is not literal. We know christians will - and do - try to argue that it is literal, etc., but obviously it is not. Instead of realising actual reality, which is literal, they have to do 'mental gymnastics' to try and make it make sense - i.e. to try and make it be literal or seem literal enough. They can argue it was divine and miraculous, but "god" gives free will, and Mary was impregnated by not-Joesph while married to Joseph, and was underage (bUt It WaS a DiFfErEnT tImE); therefore,"god" raped an underaged, married girl... and everyone accepted it... Since the advent of photographic cameras, "miracles" didn't happen; then Photoshop came along and "miracles" happened again; then since the advent of video cameras, "miracles" didn't happen; then AI and deepfaking came along and "miracles" happened again. Obviously it is not literal! Lol.

Regardless, it is merely mentioned that "god raped Mary, and cuckolded Joseph, and lied to Joseph telling him his wife is a virgin, but it's OK because goddidit" but not in those exact words - memetic, in the sense of sarcasm, joking, piss-taking, trolling, and also memetic in the sense that christians repeat the nonsense endlessly. Not to mention having a partner - and a married partner - they wouldn't be virgins. It's not literal, it's stupid nonsense, but it's simpler to talk like it is literal.

Again - Watsonian versus Doylist/Doylian. Watsonian is from Watson, a character; Doylist/Doylian is from Doyle, the authour. It is Watsonian to say "jesus died for your sins", because that's in-universe, the lore. It is Doylist/Doylian to say "then jesus un-died, so the sacrifice is un-sacrificed". (We can be pedantic and say that saying "jesus un-died", which the lore says happened, is literal instead of just a story, but we have to stop somewhere.) Is it that jesus had superpowers because of a special substance or being bitten by a radioactive...donkey on the road, or is it that the writers of the faerie tale story books are shit at writing stories? If one spoke to... something in a burning bush, or that magic donkey spoke because an "angel" cause it to, which then caused the donkey's owner to convert to christianity judaism, that would be in-universe/Watsonian; but I say that they smoked some bad granola - wild mustard that must have been mixed with donkey faeces and urine, and left for days in the hot, dry weather - on the road to hither and thither to communicate with a bush and a donkey, and that would be Doylist/Doylian. (Again, saying the faerie tale characters did eat some poisoned weeds can be argued as being literal, but that's pedantic.) Either way, the confusion can lie in crossing over from Watsonian to Doylist/Doylian, i.e. "you will die", which is real-life, Doylist/Doylian; versus "if you don't accept jesus", which is Watsonian/in-universe/lore. It's easier to say "jesus died" when arguing "but it un-died, so the sacrifice was un-sacrificed" even though jesus dying is not literal.

It is just an allegorical-kabalistic curse based on numbers and hebrew, nothing more. It is a cursed frequency and energy that is rapidly dying out thanks to the RTRs.

I know, and the RtRs are Spiritual; words and posts and threads are Physical - printed or readable on-screen. Both Physical and Spiritual entities are required. There needs to be both. If only RtRs were done, and no videos and forums existed, then some people would realise things and understand things because of the Spiritual Energies working in them...but then some of those people would make videos and threads and memes, etc. anyway, becaue they care and want to help others; whereas for others it might not be conscious enough despite the RtRs, so they'd need the videos and threads and memes, etc. that others make. The Spiritual affects the Physical, and the Physical affects the Spiritual. They both work together. Both are needed.

 

[FancyMancy]

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If you mean me, then no. I know that islam is and does today what christianity used to be and do in history.

You captured basically the entirety of that shitty bible perfectly.

Since its a bunch of lies, wrapped in lying-paper, and decorated with a lie-ribbon, it all collapses in on itself due to how much confusing and retarded paradoxical nonsense there is within it.

There is a Persian proverb that says: the liar's memory has a short life.

You might know how I am in my posts. If so, tthen you'd know that I definitely could have gone on! I have to stop somewhere! Lol.

If Xtaianty made perfect sense xtans would not have to think, debate and research it as much.

Yeah. As I said - continuity. In films and TV series, if people care about it enough, then they might go to a conference and ask the creators/script writers why this, that and the other didn't make sense. There is one part of Futurama that we don't know about, even if we have seen every episode (and the episode films). In one scene, there is a frozen-over lake or pond, and children are skating on it. If I remember correctly, Bender crashes into it from high above, breaking the ice. In the commentary for that episode it is said that the children all died, with a lol. We know (((who/what))) Futurama is made by... It's OK that Hermione Granger is Black in the play because in the books it was not specified if she was or was not Black or Asian or White. "jesus" died, in the lore, but real-life 'nonstupidingness' we know un-dying means un-sacrificed - by its own self/dad, no less.

It being contradictory and confusing is a feature not a flaw, because you become what you meditate apon. The strategy is to have the person of faith always questioning and seeking so they don’t just accept the doctrine then go on and live their lives normally it’s something they want gentiles to spend time on, they want xtans to spend time debating nonsensical shit with non believers.

Precisely, a feature. It is deliberate. It is orchestrated to be that way. As you say, it is also designed so that christians debate the nonsense, similar to that in film and TV series like I said above. Any publicity is good publicity, and making "errors" on purpose or by accident means people are thinking about it and talking about it, etc. - and that is free advertising. I suspect "errors" are deliberate, as well. For christianity and the biblical stuff, it is "faith", which the bibles admit is merely accepting something just because, without any actual, proper reason - "being sure of what we hope for", that doesn't make it true; "and certain of what we do not see", which is the same thing. It's faerie tales - think happy thoughts!