Testability

[aksiptrina]

Are any of the religions of the world objectively testable? If one does x thing, one can consistently get Y result which would somehow 'prove' a particular religion true? If one cannot get a clear true/false answer, can it result in a degree of truth on a scale?

Physical results that more than one person can observe and agree upon would be the most helpful.

 

[Sindweller]

Are any of the religions of the world objectively testable? If one does x thing, one can consistently get Y result which would somehow 'prove' a particular religion true? If one cannot get a clear true/false answer, can it result in a degree of truth on a scale?

Physical results that more than one person can observe and agree upon would be the most helpful.

Most religions aren't focused on things that are testable anyway. How do you test moral values or "good" and "evil" or going to "heaven" if you have faith, or "karma"?

As about spiritual things and magick it's hard because it's complex. It's not just "do x and you will get y", your beliefs are also very important in everything spiritual. One person may do x and get y but the second does x but has sabotaging beliefs and doesn't get x. The entire testing thing assumes that an effect has only a single cause and if you find the cause you can get the effect, but that's not true. There are many factors that play a role in spirituality and magick, like thoughts, beliefs or even astrological timings and bad planets. Even in scientific experiments it's more complex than "do x and get y", especially in quantum physics.

Even the thoughts of the experimenters or the observers can affect an experiment. If you are surrounded by people who doubt your abilities and you don't have enough willpower by yourself to shield against these thoughts, you may not accomplish what you are trying to demonstrate. That's especially true in more subtle and spiritual things. Because others' thoughts also affect you.

 

[aksiptrina]

If a religion or philosophy lacks at the very least some grounding in the physical world, is it valid? It is amazing to me how many people just accept particular religions as true, simply because its popular, or has a cultural presence.

You actually do bring up some really great points. Even in science some things are not repeatable, or difficult to repeat. I have had some interesting experiences, to which even my spouse has denied any reality, just because they don't fit the usual experience of many people. Also that they are not repeatable makes it difficult to demonstrate and thus give evidence that such things could actually happen.

 

[FancyMancy]

It sounds like you want to employ the Scientific Method. That can be experienced on here, while reading posts. I have had, in particular, 2 separate incidents where 2 other individuals mentioned things which I experienced myself apart form them. Even though we didn't collaborate, this can be seen as peer-reviewing.

As @Sindweller was saying, our thoughts play into it, as well. This sounds very much like quantum physics - we can measure things about quantum particles; however, merely observing the particles changes at least one of those results that we are trying to measure. Similarly, I am also convinced, quantum physics is a starting point for understanding Magick AKA Energy manipulation. Energy is not affected by time and space; we can raise our Energies and offer them to Satan or any other God or Goddess and they appear to arrive without delay; due to two entangled particles in quantum entanglement, when one is affected, the other is affected instantaneously, no matter how far apart they are.

Our Brains are like microcosms of the cosmos, of the Unverse - micro in comparison to the size of the Universe; macrocosms compared with tiny bits and pieces wizzing around a nucleus... which looks remarkably like a solar system! Our Brains look very similar to the layout of the stars, galaxies; our Brains have a structure very similar to that of the Universe's layout. We are connected. It has also been said that we are like mini-universes ourselves.

A lot of people are raised since birth to accept a religion's dogma and doctrines as true. There are many factors, but one is the influence of family and friends around them. They may wake-up from the delusion sooner or later, or they may not. If they were heavily into e.g. christianity in previous lives, then they'd be much more drawn towards it in this life - again, referring to quantum entanglement. Whatever we are increases, for good or bad, so we have no choice but to make the right decision. I made a copper, silver and gold coin analogy of this, you might be interested to read. (It's just my thoughts, of course.)

I would argue that the only real, actual, true religion is Nature and Science. This is, inherently, testable. We are of Nature; we are Nature. Nature and Science demands, or seduces (to us a nicer way of saying it), us to test and experiment and learn and discover and uncover. Have you noticed and realised why it costs so much money to fund universities' and other insitutions' experiments and equipment? It's a way to hold us back and slow our advancement, because once we learn the truth of the Universe and Her Secrets... the change in power dynamics would be Earth-shattering - just look at Phaeton AKA the asteroid belt... and yes, Pluto is a Planet, and tomatoes are vegetables! Science and "definition" has been corrupted. The jew dissimilates (one example is Roald Dahl's works being rewritten, which I made a thread about - 'wronging rightthink'). Science is the process in which we learn, and it has been hijacked to keep us slow and low - and christians cry "stop playing 'god'!" because they have no actual answers nor explanations nor demonstrations.

People are requiring proof - or perhaps I should say demonstrations - more and more. It's not always easy, and not everything can be explained by or with logic, Mr Spock/Data/Sheldon. We have a Logical side of our Brain; we also have a Creative side of our Brain. As a thought experiment, not an actual challenge - explain love to me. Yeah, it's a chemical reaction in our Brains and it is this and it is that... but explain love to me. It's more than what a logic-only autistic robot would say it is. Even if we got a room full of logic-only autistic robots, or a bunch of self-teaching AI programmes on the job, they still wouldn't be able to explain it (and no, AI is not "alive" either, and it never will be). Love goes past the Brain and into and beyond the Heart and further to the Soul. It's not explainable easily. A lot of things need to be experienced by oneself in order to understand them; they can't all be explained nor demonstrated - even if "demon" is right in the word "demon-strate"! "Daemon" means "Guardian, Teacher, Guide, Wise One...". I used to hate this saying but - We have to make our own mistakes. I am convinced experience is the best teacher. I used to be a christian. I was so retarded - nearly a fundy one! I could regurgitate a lot of the things, but that was it. It was irrelevant and very stupid.

 

[SeguaceDiSatanas]

Are any of the religions of the world objectively testable? If one does x thing, one can consistently get Y result which would somehow 'prove' a particular religion true? If one cannot get a clear true/false answer, can it result in a degree of truth on a scale?

Physical results that more than one person can observe and agree upon would be the most helpful.

Satanism is "testable". I have not seen anyone who has practiced Satanism with consistency, seriousness and commitment go so far as to claim that it "does not make sense or is not truthful". I have often heard people say they are afraid of Satanism or consider it a "waste of time" and they have always been people who have never seriously dedicated themselves to Satan.

For example, some close friends of mine know that I am a Satanist, and they occasionally tell me that I could "invest my time better" (they are not doing this maliciously, they are just victims of modern Jewish lies). None of these overly convinced friends of mine sat down for 10 minutes or five to meditate even just to open their third eye. Not even a minute. Not for a second and not for a second did they think: "well maybe I could...", but they still say that there is no evidence, etc. only because they actually never even looked for this evidence.

They wait for some God to appear to them and say: "SeguaceDiSatanas speaks the truth, Satanism is a real thing." It will never happen, I don't even try to explain things to them beyond a certain point because I know that more than playing 3/4 of the time they are awake at the same old stupid video games, they are unable to take seriously something that is actually serious.

Yes, everything concrete is testable, but people demand that unequivocal proof immediately appear in the packet of crisps they are stuffing themselves with (and even if it does appear, perhaps they have smoked too many drugs to realize what is happening).

Although many people are like this, there are truly SERIOUS, INTELLIGENT AND DETERMINED people, with pure hearts and noble intentions, who have no problem taking a commitment seriously, dedicating themselves to Satan and meditating and studying for at least 6 months from the Joy of Satanas website . Here they are: the Spiritual Satanists, the true People who deserve the greatest destinies and who can be relied on for this world. It is no coincidence that the Gods give us great collective Rituals, because we have equally great responsibilities given that we are able to understand them and seriously commit to carrying them forward. Glory to the Satanists of the Joy of Satanas!

Of course when you deal with something that objectively works like Satanism, which in itself is scientifically verifiable in reality, you have to consider the human factor in the evaluation. When I performed my very first meditation to open the third eye, I felt the third eye very active and strong pressure on it (now I don't remember if it also hurt, I would be lying if I tried to guess). I also spent several days with the sensation as if I actually had an eyelid on my forehead that opened and closed like with physical eyes.

Satanism for me was real from the beginning. But there are people who perform the meditation I told you about and do not obtain directly physical experiences. Some feel an electric shock when doing the mudra to open the Third Eye. I had not felt it, but that did not stop me and I continued. Satanism is testable in the long term, but it always remains a very individual thing.

I knew a Satanist who was really very advanced in divination and was able to easily have visions and similar things (sometimes). I have never had spontaneous visions and astral projections (also because the second thing doesn't interest me at all and I haven't worked well on the first yet). However, unlike her, my healing spells and things like that work very quickly. It's really a subjective thing because human beings are not all the same.

You're not calculating how many times if you throw a sheet of paper into the fire, it actually burns. You're calculating something that has to do with human nature to work. So calculating the effects of Satanism with the scientific method is like calculating whether an unrequited love necessarily corresponds to a depressive state of 4 months and 20 days. However, this doesn't mean it can't be tested: practice will give everyone concrete results. Sometimes it's not a question of giving Satanism a chance, but of giving ourselves a chance as future Satanists.