Suffering as a result of another SS

[Inquisitor]

Hello everyone,

Im not sure what to do regarding a situation im in with another SS.

Its been going on for over a year and is rather significant regarding the rest of our lives. Ive been doing my best, considering the hardships it has put me through, to listen to the gods advice to be persistent in taking action for the right thing. I havnt been perfect but have never stopped trying.

However the other has decided to stop following the gods advice. And has made a short sighted decison that the gods have made abundantly clear will negatively effect the rest of our lives. In particular mine.

Respecting their free will, the gods will not significantly interviene, and have advised against using magick on them. For the same reason, there's not much i can do but express myself to the other regarding the situation. Which over the year has become bothersome to them.

im not sure what to do, the future is looking quite grim for me now despite doing the right thing. Grim to the point where suicide is becoming an option. Ive been struggling with resisting that enough as is without facing a certainly darker future.

I am ashamed to admit that just before writing this i have done something to them out of desperstion that effects their free will, and still has no garantee of being successful. I am disgusted with myself for doing it, but my options are limited and i have no idea what to do.

Any help would be appreciated, i feel like this situation is beyond unfair and cruel to me, despite doing the right thing, and i feel absolutely helpless to do anything about it with the usual courses of action for people like us. The gods seem disappointed it turned out this way, but have less and less advice for me the longer this goes on. I feel abandoned by this life.

 

[SeguaceDiSatanas]

Hello everyone,

Im not sure what to do regarding a situation im in with another SS.

Its been going on for over a year and is rather significant regarding the rest of our lives. Ive been doing my best, considering the hardships it has put me through, to listen to the gods advice to be persistent in taking action for the right thing. I havnt been perfect but have never stopped trying.

However the other has decided to stop following the gods advice. And has made a short sighted decison that the gods have made abundantly clear will negatively effect the rest of our lives. In particular mine.

Respecting their free will, the gods will not significantly interviene, and have advised against using magick on them. For the same reason, there's not much i can do but express myself to the other regarding the situation. Which over the year has become bothersome to them.

im not sure what to do, the future is looking quite grim for me now despite doing the right thing. Grim to the point where suicide is becoming an option. Ive been struggling with resisting that enough as is without facing a certainly darker future.

I am ashamed to admit that just before writing this i have done something to them out of desperstion that effects their free will, and still has no garantee of being successful. I am disgusted with myself for doing it, but my options are limited and i have no idea what to do.

Any help would be appreciated, i feel like this situation is beyond unfair and cruel to me, despite doing the right thing, and i feel absolutely helpless to do anything about it with the usual courses of action for people like us. The gods seem disappointed it turned out this way, but have less and less advice for me the longer this goes on. I feel abandoned by this life.

I don't think I understand your problem well. What I can tell you is that generally those who act rightly must remain at peace with their conscience.

Many things are beyond our control over them and transcend the limits of what we can do, ethically or concretely. And so, when we have given all that was in our best, and we are not allowed to go further, then we know that we have acted for what was good, we should therefore never be sad.

Sadness should rather belong to those who refuse to commit or respect ethics. How these people suffer from their own shortcomings! How tormented they are looking at what they could do and do not do! But those who have done, should not afflict themselves, but look at their actions and feel at peace because they have acted correctly.

This is all I can tell you without a clear elaboration, furthermore since your topic shows a love and a true interest for the Gods and what they say, I really do not need to remind you how, obviously, none of these Gods encourage suicide.

I know absolutely nothing about your situation, and I can't judge your motivations, but generally I think that people take the idea of suicide too "lightly". Too many people when they have big problems think of suicide as an answer.

No, stopping living is not the solution to life's problems. It is the end of life itself. This is only okay in the most extreme cases where you are tortured every day, or for serious illnesses where living becomes a continuous torture.

But except in these few cases, killing yourself is not the final resort, your death does not change the world, your problems will remain, the only thing that changes is that you will no longer be able to do good to yourself and others when you are dead. Is it really worth it, then, to stop existing despite all the useful things you can do?

Please correct my answer, feel free to ask and express yourself, I may not have said some things I should have said as your references are unclear, but it can be worked on. Without resorting to drastic measures, which are out of place, senseless and would not help the situation.

Killing yourself is not the option when you have nothing left to do. Killing oneself is an extreme option when someone can only suffer terribly without doing anything else useful *for example in cases of euthanasia. If you can write on the forum, give your experience, share what you feel, talk about the Gods, it is not your case and you still have a lot to live.

 

[Henu the Great]

The original post is too vague in describing the issue leaving us unable to give any advice outside of very general advice which is likely something that you already know. And like was well written above, suicide is not an option. Suicide only becomes a viable option when a certain, inevitable death including torture is on its way. Anything less than that is simply kicking the can down the road--you have solved nothing, and likely accumulated more work to be done.

 

[Inquisitor]

eel free to ask and express yourself

The original post is too vague

I left it rather vague because its somewhat complicated, and i thought it would distract from the main point of, this is a situation where our usual tools and courses of action from thinking deeply on the matter arent working, including following the gods advice.

Furthermore, Ive read a lot about suicide here, not taking it lightly is why despite struggling with it, i have not gone through with it thus far. However, how my future changes from here.. there very well is the potential for sitations where some of you could justify it. Plenty of less justifyable reasons as well. Im not sure its something my mind is capable of handling, as it is drastically worse than what ive already been struggling with.

I know this life isnt supposed to be perfect, and there sre supposed to be struggles. I just dont understand why everything ive experienced so far in life has been a struggle. Despite this ive always worked hard to overcome everything and set myself up for a nice future. But i dont really have anything to show for it other than a somewhat powerful soul and psychiatric conditions. This situation with the other SS was supposed to be the thing that changed everything, what everything was building towards. One of the gods even said they took a personal interest in seeing its success. Despite me doing everything i could, well beyond what the average person would be capable of persevering through, its all been for nothing in the end and has set my future up for, something that quite frankly meets the criteria for warranting suicide. All because someone else decided to ignore the standards we are supposed to follow.

 

[Inquisitor]

I would also like to pose another question regarding ethics.

I mentioned i had recently took a step that circumvented the other SS's free will in a last ditch attempt to steer things to the optimal outcome. What are your opinions on such things if it is for the greater good?

 

[Henu the Great]

I left it rather vague because its somewhat complicated, and i thought it would distract from the main point of, this is a situation where our usual tools and courses of action from thinking deeply on the matter arent working, including following the gods advice.

Leaving detailed situations undescribed and requiring a detailed approach is very counterproductive for receiving optimal guidance. It just cannot happen, just like any minute detail left out of some process, like cooking or legal matters renders the whole ordeal dysfunctional or even null and void.

Also, you mentioned that the advice from Gods can be regarded as incompatible which is very concerning, to say the least. The beings most competent in Ethics are the ones who also should be the most regarded about such topics. This topic is starting to be like looking for justification for something unjustifiable. Then again, you refuse to explain what this is about which leaves us with very little to work with.

Furthermore, Ive read a lot about suicide here, not taking it lightly is why despite struggling with it, i have not gone through with it thus far. However, how my future changes from here.. there very well is the potential for sitations where some of you could justify it. Plenty of less justifyable reasons as well. Im not sure its something my mind is capable of handling, as it is drastically worse than what ive already been struggling with.

I know this life isnt supposed to be perfect, and there sre supposed to be struggles. I just dont understand why everything ive experienced so far in life has been a struggle. Despite this ive always worked hard to overcome everything and set myself up for a nice future. But i dont really have anything to show for it other than a somewhat powerful soul and psychiatric conditions. This situation with the other SS was supposed to be the thing that changed everything, what everything was building towards. One of the gods even said they took a personal interest in seeing its success. Despite me doing everything i could, well beyond what the average person would be capable of persevering through, its all been for nothing in the end and has set my future up for, something that quite frankly meets the criteria for warranting suicide. All because someone else decided to ignore the standards we are supposed to follow.

Killing a process simply ends it abruptly. This method does not solve anything as it instantly leads to stagnation (you leave the body and life leaving yourself without any course of action), and can even cause regression. What it does is that you are removed from a situation you dislike permanently, and eventually you will find yourself in the same or similar situation with the same kind of or similar requirements in order for you to level up, so to speak. Yes, this is supposed to be hard, and hard efforts also lead to hefty rewards. In my opinion, looking further than five or ten years is required alongside shorter sight. I don't know what else to say at this point except that winners never quit and quitters never win.

 

[Havoc]

I think you’re going to have to accept the fact that this person wasn’t all you thought they were and use your abilities to find another person that actually fits the criteria you’re looking for. Plenty of good people exist and you can still carry on your plans with someone actually good.

Often times people are attracted to an ideal version of someone else that doesn’t actually exist. If they’ve disappointed you so much then they weren’t a vary good person from the start and you’re better off forgetting the fantasy of them you’ve built up in your head.

In the event that the action you took was against the rules the Gods will cancel out whatever spells you’ve cast they might let it work if they think it’s for the best but I think this person doesn’t deserve your efforts. In any relationship both parties should take steps towards each other.

 

[Henu the Great]

I would also like to pose another question regarding ethics.

I mentioned i had recently took a step that circumvented the other SS's free will in a last ditch attempt to steer things to the optimal outcome. What are your opinions on such things if it is for the greater good?

Did you mean you did binding, or something? Because I got that impression. Here we must carefully define "greater good" because what it is depends on the perspective and with our limited perspective we can easily miss good points. Working on things together and including Gods in this process will lead to the best possible results during these trying times.

Personally, I do not consent to the above IF it is what I think it is without more detail about the subject.

 

[SeguaceDiSatanas]

I left it rather vague because its somewhat complicated, and i thought it would distract from the main point of, this is a situation where our usual tools and courses of action from thinking deeply on the matter arent working, including following the gods advice.

Furthermore, Ive read a lot about suicide here, not taking it lightly is why despite struggling with it, i have not gone through with it thus far. However, how my future changes from here.. there very well is the potential for sitations where some of you could justify it. Plenty of less justifyable reasons as well. Im not sure its something my mind is capable of handling, as it is drastically worse than what ive already been struggling with.

I know this life isnt supposed to be perfect, and there sre supposed to be struggles. I just dont understand why everything ive experienced so far in life has been a struggle. Despite this ive always worked hard to overcome everything and set myself up for a nice future. But i dont really have anything to show for it other than a somewhat powerful soul and psychiatric conditions. This situation with the other SS was supposed to be the thing that changed everything, what everything was building towards. One of the gods even said they took a personal interest in seeing its success. Despite me doing everything i could, well beyond what the average person would be capable of persevering through, its all been for nothing in the end and has set my future up for, something that quite frankly meets the criteria for warranting suicide. All because someone else decided to ignore the standards we are supposed to follow.

Let me ask you this question. Are you sure that what you are experiencing in this period of your life will carry with you throughout your future?

Let me give you an example, several years ago many very difficult events and situations happened to me, especially in the post-school period, I thought that I would never find anything good in my life and that I would suffer forever. Especially when I had to say goodbye to many people that I would never meet again.

Yet, years later, I am here, I am happy, I am making a lot of progress in many ways, and even though there are things that I do not have and that I would really like to have, I cannot ignore that I am well and I am moving forward. Of course, every now and then I think about what I have lost, what I have never had and where my life could have gone if I had been "better at living it".

You know, sometimes, it can be that we focus on certain current periods without thinking that our life goes on anyway and that the situations you are experiencing today are not necessarily the same as those you will experience in 5 or 10 years.

Even when certain losses leave us indelible scars, definitive situations, it is not over there, but we will always live new situations because the universe continues to change and our life with us.

So I ask you, beyond what is evident to you now; if you try to see the situation from the outside, not from the inside, do you really think that you have irremediably lost everything, regardless of the current gravity of what happened to you?

Furthermore, it seems very much that much of your pain originates from a hypothetical disappointment that you experienced, as if some of your efforts were a "waste of time" of some kind.

The fact is that it is never a waste of time to live situations: they ALWAYS leave you with something. Whether it is something positive or negative that you will then have to transform into a lesson, into a motivation, the moral will always be: continue, stay.

Because if you deny yourself the possibility of still being here with us, and do something for which you will then never be able to go back if you regret it, then that will really have been just a waste of time. And you could be disappointed.

You are still here today, and as long as you are here your life will always be a special occasion. There will always be new things to experience.

Nothing has been wasted time as long as you live and nothing will be a perpetual pain as long as your existence continues to flow.

Leaving detailed situations undescribed and requiring a detailed approach is very counterproductive for receiving optimal guidance. It just cannot happen, just like any minute detail left out of some process, like cooking or legal matters renders the whole ordeal dysfunctional or even null and void.

I swear, my dear brother, I completely agree with you, I am trying to do my best to understand and help those who are in difficulty, but I don't even know if I have understood the problem I am trying to solve, a problem that is also delicate by the way.

Without more information it is really difficult to recognize how to live the situation with the right approach. My answers, although thought out and valid, are too general speeches, for this reason they can hardly be solving a specific situation.

With this last answer of mine to the topic I hope to have given further help, but it is really like walking in a minefield trying to read the right path on a map with your eyes covered by a blindfold.

There is the possibility of taking the right path without blowing up and ruining everything, but if I could remove the blindfold and see the light of how things are it would be much easier...

@Inquisitor Is there anything we can do to make you feel more comfortable and free to explain better? Otherwise, unfortunately, beyond what we have already told you, there's not much else to say.

 

[SoldierUnderMars666]

Hello everyone,

Im not sure what to do regarding a situation im in with another SS.

Its been going on for over a year and is rather significant regarding the rest of our lives. Ive been doing my best, considering the hardships it has put me through, to listen to the gods advice to be persistent in taking action for the right thing. I havnt been perfect but have never stopped trying.

However the other has decided to stop following the gods advice. And has made a short sighted decison that the gods have made abundantly clear will negatively effect the rest of our lives. In particular mine.

Respecting their free will, the gods will not significantly interviene, and have advised against using magick on them. For the same reason, there's not much i can do but express myself to the other regarding the situation. Which over the year has become bothersome to them.

im not sure what to do, the future is looking quite grim for me now despite doing the right thing. Grim to the point where suicide is becoming an option. Ive been struggling with resisting that enough as is without facing a certainly darker future.

I am ashamed to admit that just before writing this i have done something to them out of desperstion that effects their free will, and still has no garantee of being successful. I am disgusted with myself for doing it, but my options are limited and i have no idea what to do.

Any help would be appreciated, i feel like this situation is beyond unfair and cruel to me, despite doing the right thing, and i feel absolutely helpless to do anything about it with the usual courses of action for people like us. The gods seem disappointed it turned out this way, but have less and less advice for me the longer this goes on. I feel abandoned by this life.

This sounds interesting, but as you can see, our brothers/sisters here are unable to help you as long as you don’t describe it in detail. Trust me, I know what it’s like when you’d rather not speak about the truth to others, or when you’d rather not share everything, because I too have went through a negative experience with someone I’m close with as an SS, with the exception that I made up with the person and we are doing alright now. But it’s just like the others have said.

 

[SoldierUnderMars666]

Let me ask you this question. Are you sure that what you are experiencing in this period of your life will carry with you throughout your future?

Let me give you an example, several years ago many very difficult events and situations happened to me, especially in the post-school period, I thought that I would never find anything good in my life and that I would suffer forever. Especially when I had to say goodbye to many people that I would never meet again.

Yet, years later, I am here, I am happy, I am making a lot of progress in many ways, and even though there are things that I do not have and that I would really like to have, I cannot ignore that I am well and I am moving forward. Of course, every now and then I think about what I have lost, what I have never had and where my life could have gone if I had been "better at living it".

You know, sometimes, it can be that we focus on certain current periods without thinking that our life goes on anyway and that the situations you are experiencing today are not necessarily the same as those you will experience in 5 or 10 years.

Even when certain losses leave us indelible scars, definitive situations, it is not over there, but we will always live new situations because the universe continues to change and our life with us.

So I ask you, beyond what is evident to you now; if you try to see the situation from the outside, not from the inside, do you really think that you have irremediably lost everything, regardless of the current gravity of what happened to you?

Furthermore, it seems very much that much of your pain originates from a hypothetical disappointment that you experienced, as if some of your efforts were a "waste of time" of some kind.

The fact is that it is never a waste of time to live situations: they ALWAYS leave you with something. Whether it is something positive or negative that you will then have to transform into a lesson, into a motivation, the moral will always be: continue, stay.

Because if you deny yourself the possibility of still being here with us, and do something for which you will then never be able to go back if you regret it, then that will really have been just a waste of time. And you could be disappointed.

You are still here today, and as long as you are here your life will always be a special occasion. There will always be new things to experience.

Nothing has been wasted time as long as you live and nothing will be a perpetual pain as long as your existence continues to flow.


I swear, my dear brother, I completely agree with you, I am trying to do my best to understand and help those who are in difficulty, but I don't even know if I have understood the problem I am trying to solve, a problem that is also delicate by the way.

Without more information it is really difficult to recognize how to live the situation with the right approach. My answers, although thought out and valid, are too general speeches, for this reason they can hardly be solving a specific situation.

With this last answer of mine to the topic I hope to have given further help, but it is really like walking in a minefield trying to read the right path on a map with your eyes covered by a blindfold.

There is the possibility of taking the right path without blowing up and ruining everything, but if I could remove the blindfold and see the light of how things are it would be much easier...

@Inquisitor Is there anything we can do to make you feel more comfortable and free to explain better? Otherwise, unfortunately, beyond what we have already told you, there's not much else to say.

I want to thank you for trying to help our fellow out. When I was going through hard times, being manipulated to be exact, I had nobody to help, but found the light at the end of the dark tunnel either way. I hope this person finds it too.

Hail Satan!

 

[ANPUMESSES999]

I mentioned i had recently took a step that circumvented the other SS's free will in a last ditch attempt to steer things to the optimal outcome. What are your opinions on such things if it is for the greater good?

I do imagine that it's Never acceptable to Attack Or Manipulate Other SS , since Worst case scenarios, it's the Gods that shall help in regards to "steering" whatever situation you might be, in the right direction, together with yourself, putting whatever effort you can put in regards to "steering" the situation for the better, while at the same time, not doing anything manipulative or Harmful to the SS in question <

I am disgusted with myself for doing it,

With all that said, considering that you are seemingly the "victim" here, i'm sure the Gods Understands why you might have reacted that way, and since it's quite likely that No harm has actually been made, there will be no repercussions on you, over that, i do presume <

now, in regards to Suicide, Enough people has already Rightfully explained to you that it's an idea that shall not be considered in the first place, and of course, there's not much i can say myself about the subject, since enough has already been said by others....

...therefore,to conclude, all i can say is: Don't Do it !

 

[Ælberiigor]

Respecting their free will, the gods will not significantly interviene, and have advised against using magick on them. For the same reason, there's not much i can do but express myself to the other regarding the situation. Which over the year has become bothersome to them.

im not sure what to do, the future is looking quite grim for me now despite doing the right thing. Grim to the point where suicide is becoming an option. Ive been struggling with resisting that enough as is without facing a certainly darker future.

I thrown several periods very diificults in my life, I was seized by destructive impulse that were unbearable to contain and so on.
What pushed me to evolve is to fight against this and my passions.

Before joining JoS the last years, I throwed another difficult period. I discovered the meditation programs in the PDF, started them and realized that when I unblocked my Chakras, the sadness disappears like smoke with the wind and I felt strong. I was sad because my energy was polluated and low, no more.

I went about it in the wrong way and had to stop, but now I'm slowly getting back into it and up to thinking that life without meditation is unbearable and insane.
It's as if I were locked up into a room all the time whereas I walk often, or like if I never washed whereas I hate to be dirty.

Today and up to one hour ago, I resolved very difficult points in my personal works, I'm very happy and even feel proud. I feel a little teary-eyed.
Obviously, I can no more be preoccupied by the free will of others, SS or not. I hope every one be very well everywhere but I've other things in mind.

Yes, this is supposed to be hard, and hard efforts also lead to hefty rewards. In my opinion, looking further than five or ten years is required alongside shorter sight. I don't know what else to say at this point except that winners never quit and quitters never win.

Rewards in the plural, there is no end in the process.

Evolution is a continuity, Gods became Gods surely because they worked to be perfect and they evolve continuously now.
But as human, we must work to erase continuously our Karma, else the suffering, the jealousy... all that result from our failings is lurking to devour us.

If I stop to work, I have no more money. If I take care of myself, I don't think about others. If I stop to evolve, I suffer.

 

[SeguaceDiSatanas]

I want to thank you for trying to help our fellow out. When I was going through hard times, being manipulated to be exact, I had nobody to help, but found the light at the end of the dark tunnel either way. I hope this person finds it too.

Hail Satan!

Thank you very much for your words. As you can see, THERE IS the end of the tunnel. You don't carry the same suffering for the same reasons for 50 years or something. Life continues, even despite what we lose, giving us new opportunities, new situations, new joys and new pains. While we, through advancement, can manage this continuous flow, ensuring that the progress of our lives is increasingly positive.

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

If they go off the path, that's their choice. It has nothing to do with you. You cannot force them into anything regarding religion, with magick or otherwise. The Gods would never ever make your or any SS success as a Spiritual Satanist 'dependent' on somebody else, especially someone they know in advance would rebel. They have precognition, they are psychic. Think about it.

You might want to reconsider who you are speaking to and disengage from it. The Gods are the Gods because they will often disagree with decisions that turn out badly, not always affirm them.

Also, the Gods believe in total and absolute freedom of will when it comes to Satanism specifically.

'Greater good' does not apply to anything like this. Imagine if the worst people on the planet were coerced into being Satanists. That's not a greater good, it's a disservice to the Gods. Plenty who turned out to be horrible have come and gone here for that reason.

If they are threatening you and anything else, the Gods will ensure justice is done. It sounds as if you cannot disconnect from this person or separate from them but you need to develop your own confidence and independence.

 

[SoldierUnderMars666]

Thank you very much for your words. As you can see, THERE IS the end of the tunnel. You don't carry the same suffering for the same reasons for 50 years or something. Life continues, even despite what we lose, giving us new opportunities, new situations, new joys and new pains. While we, through advancement, can manage this continuous flow, ensuring that the progress of our lives is increasingly positive.

For me, it went on endlessly for 4 years. It may not sound like a very long time compared to what most people would picture the duration of hard times to last, but that’s exactly the point. And although the emphasis may be more on how painful, and not exactly just how long it is, you’ll feel at peace at the end, and be proud of yourself for making it through.

 

[Inquisitor]

I appreciate everyones replies. I would consider myself to be relatively prepared for tackling most obstacles this path and life has to provide. But this one is certainly testing me beyond how ive been tested before. So the advice and reassurance has been helpful.

Ive been communicating with the gods extensively the last day, and the advice/answers ive been getting have been... Suprising. Even upon reevaluating my communication techniques and reconfirming responses numerous times, the responses Ive received are indeed ethical dilemas and go against general rules of thumb for SS's.

This could still be error on my part. So i will lock in for an even more advanced communication technique than what ive been using thus far; Reconfirming one last time before deciding to proceed.

I would be willing to discuss things in detail over private messages if one of you wouldnt mind taking the time.