Spiritual Satanism vs. Luciferianism

[Lucifigus]

Hi! What is the difference between Spiritual Satanism and Luciferianism?

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Luciferianism uses non-traditional tools from the Middle Ages.
Like the Kabala and the qlipot, in the Jewish context.

Practically, Luciferianism is pseudo-Satanism and most of its "sacred" symbols are Jewish representations of what the occult is.

Like the baphomet made by Levi

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

Technically there isn’t.

However there are other “Satanist” groups. Most are atheistic and see Satan as a symbolic rebellion against religion, mainly xianity, which is “true” in a way but their “rebellion” only emboldens xians as they tend to be degenerates.

There are some theistic Satanic groups and they have various ideas about Satan and the Gods. The JOS however is the only group that has fully explained the origin imo of paganism, the history behind it and so on.

“Luciferian” is a vague term and usually used by xians to describe elites who want to “play God” and turn into “gods” using technology. Some groups also use that name, using Lucifer as a symbol while others see him as real, again various ideas.

Then there are theories Lucifer and Satan are different entities but i don’t buy that, there’s no real evidence the names ever reffered to seperate beings.

These groups though usually tend to be dark/degenerate and then end up destroying themselves, as jews intend through the qliphothic path they end up following as without proper guidance from the Gods, they are still technically under the Abrahamic hierarchy and have thrown themselves into the mental trap pit built by the jews.

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

I also suggest u read this:

https://satanslibrary.org/English/HP_Hooded_Cobra/The_Qlippothic_Kabbalah_-_High_Priest_Hooded_Cobra_666.pdf

 

[Luzebel]

Luciferianism uses non-traditional tools from the Middle Ages.
Like the Kabala and the qlipot, in the Jewish context.

Practically, Luciferianism is pseudo-Satanism and most of its "sacred" symbols are Jewish representations of what the occult is.

Like the baphomet made by Levi

What kind of nonsense is that?

 

[AFODO]

Lucifer is Satan, so the JoS should bear these names such as Satanism, Luciferianism, Paganism, Hellenism, and everything else, but we don't live in an ideal world and these things doesn't mean anything. We the Joy of Satan is the real thing here, the others out there are fakes. People who says they are Luciferians or Satanists, they aren't. These sects out there who call themselves the left hand path, Luciferians, and so on, has nothing to do with the actual path, with Satan and the Gods.

This is the difference, they are fake and we are original, but ideally these names should mean our path, but they don't currently.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

What kind of nonsense is that?

That's kind of basic knowledge, sir.
Luciferianism is qlipot and operates in the Jewish context.
Luciferianism is an amalgam of very bad magic systems.

I'm sorry if you're offended because you like Luciferianism.
But I'd like to know what's traditional about it?

Absolutely nothing!

 

[Luzebel]

That's kind of basic knowledge, sir.
Luciferianism is qlipot and operates in the Jewish context.
Luciferianism is an amalgam of very bad magic systems.

I'm sorry if you're offended because you like Luciferianism.
But I'd like to know what's traditional about it?

Absolutely nothing!

Is this knowledge you got from Alex Jones and other people who dance with rabbis? Is Lucifer a Jewish name? Is Lucifer a hebrew deity? Who was Lucifer? One of the emblems of Rome, alongside Venus. What do the jews hate more than the Gods of edom, especially the God of Light of Edom? Do yourself a favor and stop spouting complete nonsense out of your ass.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Is this knowledge you got from Alex Jones and other people who dance with rabbis? Is Lucifer a Jewish name? Is Lucifer a hebrew deity? Who was Lucifer? One of the emblems of Rome, alongside Venus. What do the jews hate more than the Gods of edom, especially the God of Light of Edom? Do yourself a favor and stop spouting complete nonsense out of your ass.

Haahahhhha You're crazy LoL

 

[Luzebel]

Haahahhhha You're crazy LoL

Yes I'm crazy, but that's not the point. Tell me where does it state that Luciferianism incorporates Qlippoth or any kind of Jewish nonsense. Edgelord authors like Michael Ford don't apply. Lucifer is a european god, whoever incorporates jewish crap into it is not practicing Luciferianism at all, it's just plain logic.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Yes I'm crazy, but that's not the point. Tell me where does it state that Luciferianism incorporates Qlippoth or any kind of Jewish nonsense. Edgelord authors like Michael Ford don't apply. Lucifer is a european god, whoever incorporates jewish crap into it is not practicing Luciferianism at all, it's just plain logic.

I understood your comments perfectly.
Your point is that Luciferianism is traditional, because a few groups believe in it as a Roman God, yes! I fully understand that

The point is that the overwhelming majority of the time their type of magic is geared towards Jewish things, even if there is still the knowledge of the Venusian God, they still take seriously many symbols desecrated by the Jews.

And, clearly like any """gnostic""" group, their tools are shit
Focused on Kabalistic numerology and "demonolatry" rituals with circles and thousands of utensils to "protect" the sacred Gods.

Tell me about any organization that uses Latin or that is even remotely decent, so I can just use the enochan and I'll remember those too when I talk about them.

 

[Luzebel]

The point is that the overwhelming majority of the time their type of magic is geared towards Jewish things, even if there is still the knowledge of the Venusian God, they still take seriously many symbols desecrated by the Jews.

Give me examples. Who are they? How do you know it's the majority of time?

 

[Luzebel]

The majority of them*

 

[Alexandros Iowno [TG]]

Anything not Spiritual Satanism from Joy Of Satanas that brands as "satanism" is just a Jewish ploy of playing a propaganda larping move and creating points of control and destabilization at public image level. There is no versus here, but only us and enemies.

 

[logicalmind]

Around the internet, there are various shills. Such as this one who says he promotes "Luciferianism": https://www.youtube.com/@morgueofficial . This is the case what HPHC666 has talked about. Some people might try pushing shit like "jewsus was Lucifer", "vatican was Satanic", etc.

Joy of Satanas is the real community here. And the Gods are here. Everyone who takes this path somewhat seriously and practices on a consistent basis should have experienced this already, and in time experiences should be more intensive and obvious. This is because everyone here works for the empowerment of each human. Each individual, each family, each race, and the whole of humanity.

If jews would be around long enough in the future, they would start spreading shit like "Hitler was the jewsus reincarnation". They will do anything and everything in order to keep humans hooked to their lies, so they would have even tiniest fractures they can use against humanity.

 

[Sindweller]

Edgelord authors like Michael Ford don't apply.

If you exclude Michael W. Ford (who is the most popular "Luciferian" author) the rest are even worse. They are "gnostic" Lucifer-is-Christ and Satan-is-Jehovah types who tell Spiritual Satanists to stop using the name "Satan" because we're unknowingly calling upon Yahweh if we do. You can't claim that they are Pagans as they operate entirely within the jewish/christian dualistic framework, even using a contradiction in their bible to prove Satan is jehova (the one in the old testament where in one book it says "god did this" and in another "Satan did this" as if supposedly proves that Satan is jehova and not being merely one of the hundreds of contradictions that exist there). They fail to see that the name Satan is used by the jews to slander the chief Pagan God and it predates the jews as it's in Ancient Sanskrit, they even use the jewish meaning of the word Satan and tell us "it means enemy, how do you worship the enemy of humanity?" without realizing that Gentiles don't speak Kike, so enemy in Kike merely means enemy of the Kikes, not of everyone.

I've argued with many "Luciferians" and they all use a variation of the above arguments.

 

[HadesWithin666]

Hi! What is the difference between Spiritual Satanism and Luciferianism?

The difference is that Spiritual Satan[ism] is the most purest Satanism there it is , no doubt and question about it.
It is the most Official and Direct link with the God's ,also +1 to JG NakedPluto.

There is no other more purest Satanism then this and no other path closer to Satan and God's themselves. Here we do not sell lies , the meditations and workings provided here are working wonderfully , everyone who will try to deviate you from your own mind and power within then it's not a true Satanist and just a person who try to use shortcuts and excuses for not advancing and use the TRUE POWER which is our own minds and energy within , directed just trough the thoughts no other wicca shit needed.

 

[BlackFlame333X2]

Luciferianism uses non-traditional tools from the Middle Ages.
Like the Kabala and the qlipot, in the Jewish context.

Practically, Luciferianism is pseudo-Satanism and most of its "sacred" symbols are Jewish representations of what the occult is.

Like the baphomet made by Levi

Satanism is a reaction to Christianity, and Luciferianism is based on principals and archetypes much older than Christianity.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

Satanism is a reaction to Christianity, and Luciferianism is based on principals and archetypes much older than Christianity.

Well, ancient Satanism was Jewish.
The Jews wanted to stir people up, so they created a false Satanism that was totally "anti-Christian".

What you said is correct in one sense

Unfortunately, I don't know of anyone in antiquity who uses the name SATANAS like the Catholic Church does.

Only Satya and Shaitan, but not exactly like "SATANAS".
It's necessary to see if this name was just a modification of Shaitan or if it really was used once by the ancient Greeks.

Supposedly, according to a Page, the name SATANAS was coded.
In other words, this makes the full name "SATANAS" an occult name, of a "unique" occult God as described in a sermon by the Cobra Priest.

Sources:https://joyofsatan.org/SanskritForTruth.html

https://joyofsatan.org/satanas_namhtml

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Why is Zeus above Poseidon?

This is just a curiosity that has been boggling me, and it could be born out of ignorance/misunderstanding the mythology. However, in the Greek/Roman mythology, why is Beelzebul, as Zeus/Jupiter, the Father of all the Gods and Leader of Them, instead of Satan, as Poseidon/Neptune?

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[Homer]

Satanism is a reaction to Christianity, and Luciferianism is based on principals and archetypes much older than Christianity.

Lol you haven't even read our main site, please read it before spouting misinfo.

Temple of Zeus

It says this:

- There are different sects of false Satanism. Joy of Satan Ministries is the sole Truth which is Spiritual Satanism.

- Satanism is not a "Christian invention."

- Satanism predates Christianity and all other religions.

- Satanism is not about spooks, goblins, vampires, Halloween monsters or other related entities.

- Satanism is not about "evil."

- Satanism is not a "reaction to Christianity."

- Satanism is not about death.

- True Satanism is about elevating and empowering humanity, which was our True Creator (Satan's) intention.

- We know Satan/Lucifer as a real being.

- We know Satan to be the True Father and Creator God of humanity.

- We are law abiding.

- We know "Yaweh/Jehova" of the bible to be a fictitious entity, and the people behind coercing this lie, to be the true deceivers of humanity and the masters of lies. This is evident in the many contradictions within the Judeo/Christian Bible, revealing this text to be the work of human beings who had occult knowledge and infused it with power to make it credible, and to incite fear in order to control.

Read especially this page:

The Temple Of Zeus

It mentions this:

In light of new knowledge based upon hundreds of hours of intense and in-depth research, we have discovered the following:

1. Satan is our True Creator God.
"YHVH," otherwise known as "Jehovah" by the deluded, is a false entity. "YHVH" stands for the four elements and corners in the popular Jewish systems of magick that are available to the public.

2. The character "Jesus Christ" is fictitious and was stolen from some 18+ Pagan legends of a God hanging from a tree, such as Odin, then being resurrected, and is another description of the alchemical operation of transforming the soul—death and then resurrection.
The Nazarene is and has never been anything more than a tool to remove all true spiritual knowledge and disarm the populace of their spiritual powers. Humanity has paid to the tune of trillions upon trillions of dollars, and with sickness, misery, and suffering due to the removal of this knowledge. Spiritual knowledge was systematically destroyed, twisted, and corrupted to SPIRITUALLY AND FINANCIALLY ENSLAVE US ALL. By force-feeding the populace that the Nazarene is a real entity, those at the top have maintained control and reaped untold wealth and power.

3. True Satanism preceded Christianity by thousands of years and is based on the total transformation of the soul. Christians are deluded into "accepting Jesus Christ" and "living saved," which is all false. Everything in the Christian religion is false, and we prove this beyond all doubts. The Christian "saved" hoax is based upon stolen and corrupted knowledge of alchemy, where one truly works spiritually to transform one's soul into godhead.

Also, "Luciferianism" is pretty much Christian. Many of them are Gnostics who believe Lucifer is Jesus and Jehova is Satan. I've argued with many of them and I can tell you they're pretty much Christian, they tried to convince me Satan is jehova by using a biblical contradiction.

Well, ancient Satanism was Jewish.
The Jews wanted to stir people up, so they created a false Satanism that was totally "anti-Christian".

This is false too. Ancient Satanism wasnt't jewish, the jews merely called "Satanism" the practices of Pagan religions and Satan one of their prominent Pagan Gods and demonized all of them as an excuse to destroy all their temples and mass murder their followers.

The "anti-christian" fake Satanism it came after they destroyed all Pagan religions so people had no idea that Satan and the Demons as the Abrahamic religions portrayed them were a caricature of their Pagan Gods, and several of them who were brainwashed by xianity became "devil worshippers" because all they knew was xianity so they just followed xianity upside down.

 

[Ĥl·lĥæ]

This is false too. Ancient Satanism wasnt't jewish, the jews merely called "Satanism" the practices of Pagan religions and Satan one of their prominent Pagan Gods and demonized all of them as an excuse to destroy all their temples and mass murder their followers.

The "anti-christian" fake Satanism it came after they destroyed all Pagan religions so people had no idea that Satan and the Demons as the Abrahamic religions portrayed them were a caricature of their Pagan Gods, and several of them who were brainwashed by xianity became "devil worshippers" because all they knew was xianity so they just followed xianity upside down.

Okay, you didn't understand what I meant, nor did you pay attention to the quotation marks.
Take a closer look at the text and context and you'll understand what I said.
Unfortunately, I can't demand correct observation of the text, the context and the core.
Nor can I expect that of others

 

[BlackFlame333X2]

Lol you haven't even read our main site, please read it before spouting misinfo.

Temple of Zeus

It says this:



Read especially this page:

The Temple Of Zeus

I've read all of it actually, some of it is as bad as Christianity, if you claim you're a part of the "one true religion", then you're really not as tolerant as you claim to be. it's as subjective as anything else. What I'm saying is, There are different practices within Christianity and they all bicker, and obviously there are different practices of Satanism and they all bicker. Claiming to be the one true religion. I personally practice Luciferianism because I like the Gnostic, Esoteric belief system. I also study SS but I see too much hatred towards outsiders. That's a turn off.

 

[Blitzkreig [TG]]

I've read all of it actually, some of it is as bad as Christianity, if you claim you're a part of the "one true religion", then you're really not as tolerant as you claim to be. it's as subjective as anything else. What I'm saying is, There are different practices within Christianity and they all bicker, and obviously there are different practices of Satanism and they all bicker. Claiming to be the one true religion. I personally practice Luciferianism because I like the Gnostic, Esoteric belief system. I also study SS but I see too much hatred towards outsiders. That's a turn off.

If people are genuinely interested in our path and wish to learn or even join, then it would be a mistake to direct impatience or hatred at them. However, this is not the case for everyone, therefore there are limits to the amount of tolerance we need to show them, especially if they themselves are directly countering important tenets of ours, such as upholding the Gods or effective spiritual advancement.

If we were to take a weaker stance in the case where we were actually justified in asserting ourselves, then this would ultimately be a failure to uphold a higher order both within our own community, but also on a global scale. There has to be a bit of a realistic assessment here that someone who is not meditating, nor doing rituals or other interactions with the Gods, is not going to have as good of a judgement on spiritual matters.

As SS we do not force people to obey by our tenets, unlike the hordes of Muslims, Christians, or Jews, therefore there is much less risk in our own intolerance than in theirs. We defend ourselves only when attacked, and we advance ourselves and the communities around us. Meanwhile, Muslims are sharpening their blades and begging for a fight.

You are probably referring to other non-Abrahamic orders, such as general Pagans or Gnostics, but the same ideas as described above still apply, where we cannot give them any false credibility, or pretend what they do is better than us. For example, would we ever substitute one of their rituals to Astarte with our own Ritual? Of course not, therefore, we would not tolerate anyone saying theirs is better. That does not mean we are going to actually engage in hostile acts, unlike others. We are peaceful.

 

[Tiero]

I will write it here because I do not want to clog the forum, I wrote it earlier, I apologize in advance for my English...
what is happening now is a massacre...

I've seen a spate of fake spiritual Satanists in the media lately, especially on TikTok. The fact that someone confesses to our Creator is a step in the right direction. But what some people are doing there is some kind of disgusting mockery.
Recently, two young Polish women caught my attention, on TikTok and YT. And on TikTok they advertised their YT channel. I thought I'd see it out of curiosity... I was expecting some reading of this Satan Bible or something, with minor errors...
But what I saw was a complete mockery of Satanism!!! And talking about the magic of the enemy and the enemy as if they were something positive! Horrible! And the sound effects, so random... Do you remember those random YT Kids videos? There are identical sound effects... And when asked about JoS, they only insulted us as if our knowledge was some kind of Philosophy from the cap, and our rhetoric was not rhetorical, but they did and still do make a mockery of Satanism...

 

[HadesWithin666]

as if our knowledge was some kind of Philosophy from the cap, and our rhetoric was not rhetorical, but they did and still do make a mockery of Satanism...

These people are part of the brainwashed monkey category , don't waste your time with these parasites , everyone here who has practiced our meditations and spells know very well that they work , on their own skin.

Those who depromote satanism [ I mean the real one ] are those who work hand in hand with the enemy or/and those who sell themselves cheap , any religion you look at , properly speaking has absolutely no occult and spiritual information and after exactly these people come and complain about what is here , they contradict themselves and have no clue what the hell they are talking about, these are people who have the crooked intent to enslave humanity with their misinformation and to drive others away from the real path.

Jos is not just a website and what we do here is not just philosophizing, it's vast and real information that actually works, we don't force anyone to join and we don't decide the lives and beliefs of others like Christians and Muslims and the rest of the religious systems do.

Also, nobody should judge the entire SS and JOS just because of a few individuals , we are a community and a family indeed but this road is of a singular path, whoever wants to connect themself with the true light and truth would do so and carry on proceeding with his advancement , the one's who are not SS are just begging for attention thinking they are some kind of Dark Lords and the Demons do whatever they say but when they wake up in the astral realm after their own very death they're all like "Oh shit!!!"

Whoever wants to join is more then welcome to do so , whoever doesn't then so be it but whoever goes against the Gods and mocks them and is working strongly against the truth will be punished in the after life , that's what they do not understand, this is of a extreme importance manner and karma is nothing comparing with the Gods WILL so let them people bark like dogs until the time comes and see who was right afterwards.

I have had enough seeing the Gods getting mocked and especially Satan being so mistreated , I have no clue and I can't even comprehend why He did not give up on humanity but when I see the people on this forum I understand why He haven't left us.

Whoever tries to sublimate Satan and thinks He is just 'Dark' then that's all what they will get, eternal darkness, meanwhile us, the Seers will forever be in eternal light and be at peace, powerful and free , as always.

Ave Satanas!

 

[WrathOfKouros]

Kikes and Xians worship Lucifer as Jesus because Lucifer was a title that means "light bringer" and they stole it and associate that with their kike. We worship Lucifer as Satan, the true bringer of light and God of the Gentiles.