Saturn Square

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

If you are after serious discipline and grounding is it the physical or spiritual kind of square? I'm confused now.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Saturn in Aquarius I believe is safer.

 

[Elite]

Material squares are most likely about material events. For an example, Mercury material square can be used for exams. But if you talk about intelligence, then you would look for spiritual square. In your case, I would say it should be spiritual sqaure.

 

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Ok, yes definitely do extra cleaning. Spiritual then would be the one to do.

Also, did you do Nauthiz into your base chakra? That could give a different result rather than just generalized.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

 

[Kokusz]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

What’s the best time to start a Saturn square?
I don’t find any mark for a Saturn square in the 2022 calendar.

What do you mean by suppressing Saturn?

 

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

Thanks everyone for the answers.

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Never thought of that, I will add it to my notes and I will make sure to do that sometime. Should have an interesting effect.

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I never did this square, I understand that there are great malefic forces at play here but like anything in life, your mindset towards it matters a great deal. If you go into it scared it will kill you or something it will probably not go the best way. I know how ruthless and unforgiving Saturn can be, but a great part of the negativity depends on your attitude towards it and the lessons these energies are trying to teach you. That has been my experience with Saturn related stuff anyway.

 

[Kavya Shukra]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

I also did the Saturn square and there was no issue in doing so, but since it was in my 5th house, I did start to have issues with identity crisis and childhood traumas popping back up, as the 5th house rules children, enjoyment, etc. I definitely had issues trying to figure myself out and who I am and what I'm here to do and what is my dream goal and passion after doing so.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

 

[NinRick]

If you are after serious discipline and grounding is it the physical or spiritual kind of square? I'm confused now.

I wouldn’t do a Saturn square, because Saturn will kick your ass where ever it can.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

 

[Henu the Great]

If you are after serious discipline and grounding is it the physical or spiritual kind of square? I'm confused now.

I wouldn’t do a Saturn square, because Saturn will kick your ass where ever it can.

Know thyself has been stated on JoS. Indeed, by knowing yourself, who you are and what you are supposed to do or what you want to do is the most important thing on this path aside from avoiding stupidity.

That being said, I think it is safe to say that whether to do or not to do Saturn square is wholly up to the individual.

As a final note, this really is once in a lifetime opportunity. Saturn being in Aquarius, that is.

 

[darkmonkey666]

I have done the Nauthiz, it did it's job, but I want more, and also deeper levels of it. I feel the Saturn Square would be a good way to achieve that. I actually plan on doing a massive cleaning/protection working immediately after, just in case. I read that if Saturn rules my chart it wont be as negative. Which is why I am not that scared, but I guess there's no way to predict exactly how it will be, unless you actually try. There are other things that worry me, that I cant really say here for safety reasons, but I feel like trying anyway.

The reason for my question is discipline acts on the material world, but it comes from the spiritual side of Saturn, the Base Chakra. So I am confused on which square to perform. I would say the spiritual square, but I am not exactly sure. I want to unlock and empower every positive quality of Saturn in my life.

Saturn is co ruler of my chart and in a prominent position. I did the Saturn square a bunch of times had no problem. Like I tried to explain it deals with the Karma of the person in relation to Saturn as to whether something will happen good or bad with the Squares that is a major thing. Most people suppress Saturn and ignore it are doing all sorts of things they shouldn't do anr are unhealthy etc. That is why their lives fall apart when doing the square.

My partner has Saturn Co ruler and the most powerful planet in her chart she did it twice before dedicating had no problem liked the effects. I think this proves my point.

What’s the best time to start a Saturn square?
I don’t find any mark for a Saturn square in the 2022 calendar.

What do you mean by suppressing Saturn?

Any Saturday when it's not in Retrograde. Saturn enters retrograde July 4th and ends October 23rd in 2022.

And by suppressing Saturn I mean trying to escape its effects or ignore its energies or the area of life it rules.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Here is a copy paste of something I wrote in another thread.

"I got some more insight into this for people so I wanted to reply to this. The answer is Karma but the ancients really didn't have this problem as they were not fully resisting Saturn energy and avoiding doing what they were supposed to always trying to escape like people do today so they would not have written a "Warning" about this square or using the Saturn mantra. In fact it would have helped them exactly like they said.

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong. If you have a lot of Karma around some specific area of life then activating that energy in your life can cause unwanted events or problems in the case of Aquarius or Capricorn rising health problems. (I would be willing to bet 100 right now that the person who reported a serious health episode from doing a Saturn square where they feel they almost died has one of these two signs ascending or Saturn in 1st house) or problems based upon where Saturn is or what it rules. Almost everyone has a lot of bad Karma around Saturn. I would say only be careful totally with this and work on dealing with the Karmic issues around Saturn before thinking of doing the Square if it is in or rules something in your life where if it goes wrong this would be really bad or devastating for you. If so then stop and think.

Once you remove the negative Karma Saturn working won't cause anything bad it will actually be like the other workings the energy at the end won't be pleasant fully (I kind of like the energy of Saturn in Aquarius btw) but it will help this area of life. It does have rewards to master this energy like Cobra said.

Talk about Capricorn enjoy the 1st few degrees when the sun is here get a feeling for the energy this time of year actually is really cool. An almost celebratory vibe. The colors red and green are most often used for this holiday but it's similar to the colors of this energy. It is nice. If you tune in to that a little this holiday will feel even more fun."

 

[Wotanwarrior]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

 

[luis]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

If you can say it, what did you use the Saturn square for? I did a long time ago for cursing someone, the worst idea I had, there is no warning to not use them for cursing (but there is a warning that the Saturn square may harm you, so I did something very stupid) and so I thought it was ok as long as you cleaned yourself after but nope, luckily the God's saved me, i was almost hit by a car.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Never do a Saturn square unless you have completely obliterated the negative effects of Saturn in your natal chart, have cleared the negative karma from your soul and can then take advantage of the positive side of Saturn without experiencing negative effects.

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

Well no not really. It's all based upon the personal karma. In the origional vedic texts and vedic astrology its stated the Saturn Square or working (and also various Saturn Mantras and practices that deal with invoking Saturn energy they have please note dealing with all the planets not just Saturn I personally think many of these are really superstitious and kind of dumb and unlikely to solve anything) can help offset negative effects from Saturn transit. If a person has worked to clean the Karma of Saturn and isn't actively doing anything that would create karma from Saturn (reverse Vedic practices) they should have no negative effects from the transits dealing with Saturn and the Saturn square wouldn't harm anything but bring about positive results related to the transits and position of Saturn.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

If you can say it, what did you use the Saturn square for? I did a long time ago for cursing someone, the worst idea I had, there is no warning to not use them for cursing (but there is a warning that the Saturn square may harm you, so I did something very stupid) and so I thought it was ok as long as you cleaned yourself after but nope, luckily the God's saved me, i was almost hit by a car.

This is different than using the Saturn working on yourself for more positive things. I don't really think there is a way to disconnect from the energy when doing the Squares on other people. Make sure it's doing something you would not mind a little of that being done to yourself for this reason. The energy will do what it's programed to do even if it is to the programmer if the energy ends up in the programmers aura or soul.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Thanks everyone for the answers.

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Never thought of that, I will add it to my notes and I will make sure to do that sometime. Should have an interesting effect.

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I never did this square, I understand that there are great malefic forces at play here but like anything in life, your mindset towards it matters a great deal. If you go into it scared it will kill you or something it will probably not go the best way. I know how ruthless and unforgiving Saturn can be, but a great part of the negativity depends on your attitude towards it and the lessons these energies are trying to teach you. That has been my experience with Saturn related stuff anyway.

Black Onyx is a Saturn stone and actually can be really helpful for Sensitive people to carry on them when around negative people as it tends to absorb negative energies into the stone keeping them out of the person's aura and soul somewhat.

Then the stone can be cleansed later in a more positive environment and readied for use again when needed. This was a life saver in 2012 when I went to visit some xtian relatives.

 

[NinRick]

Saturn square has messed up a lot of people's lives. I've done it about 5 times no problems, but it might be best to err on the side of caution and do Nauthiz rune instead.

If you can say it, what did you use the Saturn square for? I did a long time ago for cursing someone, the worst idea I had, there is no warning to not use them for cursing (but there is a warning that the Saturn square may harm you, so I did something very stupid) and so I thought it was ok as long as you cleaned yourself after but nope, luckily the God's saved me, i was almost hit by a car.

Whenever you vibrate anything, no matter what you do, by the physical vibrations of your body, your entire soul vibrates at all dimensions as well, so there is no separation possible here.

If I wanted to curse someone, I would wait until they sleep, draw all their energy, or as much as I can, and would use evocation, and infuse them with death energy which is programmed to end them.
I would repeat this each night. Along with much cleaning of course.

 

[Gearshift]

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong.

I'm assuming you mean me for doing a Venus square.(Note: I don't know if my square did anything or not. I never advanced spirituality I'm utterly a contradiction of JoS member nearly 20 years and not an iota of difference)

Yes I too think the squares are too much. They are not toys and even though I did a few Jupiter, one Sun, one Venus, one Saturn. I fully regret it. I wish I never bothered with Squares similar to when I was doing the MerKaBa meditation I love the mediation my favorite but I don't know if it did or didn't do anything but it kinda affected me in a negative way.

I think if I were to put the issue at hand is the lack of good affirmation particularly cause I emailed Shael and Azorm before the issues asking for affirmation advice.

At the end of the day I'd avoid squares and do something else. Runes are fairly safe slap on the wrist. Messing with Saturn when not ready is an issue many have stated. Even if people like HP.Cobra mentioning recently doing 40+ Saturn squares.

I think for anyone using Nauthiz, Saturnian Rune. Might as well use it Brown energy(check out Using Color on JoS Witchcraft it was updated). And maybe work on a number of repetitions whatever best number there is. And maybe affirm something like The energy of Nauthiz is grounding and centering me in a positive and healthy way.

Overgrounded is preferable than overcharged.

At the end of the day take caution with square any square really your messing with something extremely advanced literally manipulating your astrological chart according to some members.

 

[Kokusz]

Here is a copy paste of something I wrote in another thread.

"I got some more insight into this for people so I wanted to reply to this. The answer is Karma but the ancients really didn't have this problem as they were not fully resisting Saturn energy and avoiding doing what they were supposed to always trying to escape like people do today so they would not have written a "Warning" about this square or using the Saturn mantra. In fact it would have helped them exactly like they said.

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong. If you have a lot of Karma around some specific area of life then activating that energy in your life can cause unwanted events or problems in the case of Aquarius or Capricorn rising health problems. (I would be willing to bet 100 right now that the person who reported a serious health episode from doing a Saturn square where they feel they almost died has one of these two signs ascending or Saturn in 1st house) or problems based upon where Saturn is or what it rules. Almost everyone has a lot of bad Karma around Saturn. I would say only be careful totally with this and work on dealing with the Karmic issues around Saturn before thinking of doing the Square if it is in or rules something in your life where if it goes wrong this would be really bad or devastating for you. If so then stop and think.

Once you remove the negative Karma Saturn working won't cause anything bad it will actually be like the other workings the energy at the end won't be pleasant fully (I kind of like the energy of Saturn in Aquarius btw) but it will help this area of life. It does have rewards to master this energy like Cobra said.

Talk about Capricorn enjoy the 1st few degrees when the sun is here get a feeling for the energy this time of year actually is really cool. An almost celebratory vibe. The colors red and green are most often used for this holiday but it's similar to the colors of this energy. It is nice. If you tune in to that a little this holiday will feel even more fun."

Thank you for sharing this. I think I’m experiencing something similar with the planet Mars. I’ve done a Mars square and unfortunately it turned out a little bad for me… I have Aries Mars trine with Scorpio Pluto in my chart. I read it supposed to be have a positive effect, however for me it caused severe acne, migranes, pms and mostly bad things when I was young, now these are kind of came back after the Mars square. I don’t know, maybe I’m just overthinking but I have a lot of headaches and acne again not as severe as used to be, but not pleasant at all… I guess I’m suppressing the energies of Mars. How can I change this? How can I clear out the negative karma of my natal Mars?
I’m exercising everyday now and it helps a bit, and I’m planning to start a Munka working soon, what else can I do?

 

[darkmonkey666]

The problem is the same it would be with any other planet including the greater Benific Jupiter and lesser Benific Venus. I heard a couple reports of things going bad with these squares as well over the years btw including one person asking how do they remove a venus square they did cause it caused problems then listed a bunch of stuff that went wrong.

I'm assuming you mean me for doing a Venus square.(Note: I don't know if my square did anything or not. I never advanced spirituality I'm utterly a contradiction of JoS member nearly 20 years and not an iota of difference)

Yes I too think the squares are too much. They are not toys and even though I did a few Jupiter, one Sun, one Venus, one Saturn. I fully regret it. I wish I never bothered with Squares similar to when I was doing the MerKaBa meditation I love the mediation my favorite but I don't know if it did or didn't do anything but it kinda affected me in a negative way.

I think if I were to put the issue at hand is the lack of good affirmation particularly cause I emailed Shael and Azorm before the issues asking for affirmation advice.

At the end of the day I'd avoid squares and do something else. Runes are fairly safe slap on the wrist. Messing with Saturn when not ready is an issue many have stated. Even if people like HP.Cobra mentioning recently doing 40+ Saturn squares.

I think for anyone using Nauthiz, Saturnian Rune. Might as well use it Brown energy(check out Using Color on JoS Witchcraft it was updated). And maybe work on a number of repetitions whatever best number there is. And maybe affirm something like The energy of Nauthiz is grounding and centering me in a positive and healthy way.

Overgrounded is preferable than overcharged.

At the end of the day take caution with square any square really your messing with something extremely advanced literally manipulating your astrological chart according to some members.

I don't actually remember the names of the people that wrote this stuff. I just remember the posts if you made a post like that then yes. I seem to remember something about Shael in that post so probably you i am referring too.
To be honest an affirmation it shouldn't mess someone up that much even if maybe poorly worded. The reason. You know what you want I assume and are thinking about it when doing the affirmation. That sort of programs the energy too. This i believe was some karma thing.

The example with Jupiter was kind of scary. Not something written about on here. The person in that case had Jupiter on algol star. They did the working with Jupiter at the Bus Stop someone started screaming and shouting about rape randomly or something and punching and attacking random people. She ran into the gas station near by but the person eventually ran in there and started throwing stuff around there. This was about day 8 of square.

Second incident the person used positive way for me. She witnessed someone randomly attack someone on about day 6.

About your advancement. Hang tight and don't give up. This is probably something obvious but not that obvious in that you wouldnt see it that you will kick yourself over later for not getting or changing that is holding you back. Eventually you will figure it out but keep up with rtrs talk on here etc. Something is reversing your progress or keeping your energy level low as you try to progress. Put some thought into it sometime maybe it will dawn on you.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

One way a person can tell is Saturn transits. Is it positive or really not much happens then you can do this. Haven't experienced anything bad from Saturn in years.

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

Well no not really. It's all based upon the personal karma. In the origional vedic texts and vedic astrology its stated the Saturn Square or working (and also various Saturn Mantras and practices that deal with invoking Saturn energy they have please note dealing with all the planets not just Saturn I personally think many of these are really superstitious and kind of dumb and unlikely to solve anything) can help offset negative effects from Saturn transit. If a person has worked to clean the Karma of Saturn and isn't actively doing anything that would create karma from Saturn (reverse Vedic practices) they should have no negative effects from the transits dealing with Saturn and the Saturn square wouldn't harm anything but bring about positive results related to the transits and position of Saturn.

The problem is that until now I have not worked seriously to obliterate my Saturn and I still have to clean a lot of karma in my soul, but in the future in a couple of years, after having done the cleaning, could change the thing.

 

[darkmonkey666]

Of course it depends a lot on planetary positions and influences and planetary transits, for example, if I made Saturn squares right now, I would experience negative effects.

Well no not really. It's all based upon the personal karma. In the origional vedic texts and vedic astrology its stated the Saturn Square or working (and also various Saturn Mantras and practices that deal with invoking Saturn energy they have please note dealing with all the planets not just Saturn I personally think many of these are really superstitious and kind of dumb and unlikely to solve anything) can help offset negative effects from Saturn transit. If a person has worked to clean the Karma of Saturn and isn't actively doing anything that would create karma from Saturn (reverse Vedic practices) they should have no negative effects from the transits dealing with Saturn and the Saturn square wouldn't harm anything but bring about positive results related to the transits and position of Saturn.

The problem is that until now I have not worked seriously to obliterate my Saturn and I still have to clean a lot of karma in my soul, but in the future in a couple of years, after having done the cleaning, could change the thing.

Ok understood. Yeah it would probably be bad for you then.

 

[Power of Justice [JG]]

I've never done a Saturn square, can you please tell me when one would need to do a Saturn square and what the benefits/risks are? Recently I saw HP Cobra say he's done more than 40 of them, but still I don't see why. I guess there can be many uses as the JoS page lists plenty of matters that Saturn rules over, but in general I see many people throw karma and negative energy around as something to be weary of when doing it. What would be the best way for someone to protect themselves if the negative energy is so great.

Thank you!

 

[Power of Justice [JG]]

bruh I didnt mean to put that in quotes, meant to only quote you xD

 

[darkmonkey666]

I've never done a Saturn square, can you please tell me when one would need to do a Saturn square and what the benefits/risks are? Recently I saw HP Cobra say he's done more than 40 of them, but still I don't see why. I guess there can be many uses as the JoS page lists plenty of matters that Saturn rules over, but in general I see many people throw karma and negative energy around as something to be weary of when doing it. What would be the best way for someone to protect themselves if the negative energy is so great.

Thank you!

Do stuff to remove karma from Saturn. If you have something that weakens Saturn such as Saturn conjunct Neptune or Saturn in 12th house or Saturn Aries or something you will benefit from it. But first find your Saturn issues and work on them.

A test of this is how does Saturn transits work for you. If really bad don't do this if nothing happens or it's more positive your fine doing the square.

 

[Power of Justice [JG]]

I've never done a Saturn square, can you please tell me when one would need to do a Saturn square and what the benefits/risks are? Recently I saw HP Cobra say he's done more than 40 of them, but still I don't see why. I guess there can be many uses as the JoS page lists plenty of matters that Saturn rules over, but in general I see many people throw karma and negative energy around as something to be weary of when doing it. What would be the best way for someone to protect themselves if the negative energy is so great.

Thank you!

Do stuff to remove karma from Saturn. If you have something that weakens Saturn such as Saturn conjunct Neptune or Saturn in 12th house or Saturn Aries or something you will benefit from it. But first find your Saturn issues and work on them.

A test of this is how does Saturn transits work for you. If really bad don't do this if nothing happens or it's more positive your fine doing the square.

Thanks a lot! I've researched pretty much everything there is in regards to spirituality except for astrology and reading ones chart and so on, I just feel that there's so much knowledge out there and it's hard to tell the legit knowledge from bogus, and really the only way to tell is to practice and see the results which is soo time consuming, so I've been avoiding it like the plague lmao.

Do you have any resources you can recommend for astrology?

Thank you again!

 

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

Do stuff to remove karma from Saturn. If you have something that weakens Saturn such as Saturn conjunct Neptune or Saturn in 12th house or Saturn Aries or something you will benefit from it. But first find your Saturn issues and work on them.

A test of this is how does Saturn transits work for you. If really bad don't do this if nothing happens or it's more positive your fine doing the square.

Thanks a lot! I've researched pretty much everything there is in regards to spirituality except for astrology and reading ones chart and so on, I just feel that there's so much knowledge out there and it's hard to tell the legit knowledge from bogus, and really the only way to tell is to practice and see the results which is soo time consuming, so I've been avoiding it like the plague lmao.

Do you have any resources you can recommend for astrology?

Thank you again!

The JoyOfSatan.org website is the best place to learn Astrology

 

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

I wouldn't say I completely have, because my chart is very complex and I have a lot of work to do, but I have cleared a lot of it during the past 8 months. Much of it was Saturn related things, yes.
Also - on your second post, would you care to elaborate on the transits? What kind of transits are we talking about here?

Yes I am aware it can kick my ass in some way but I am going to try anyway. I feel like I have to. I am aware of most of the things that can go wrong and am prepared - except of what I sent in that email, but I am prepared for side effects. Which also involves the stuff you mentioned. Some other things nobody can really predict how it will be. As these things are individual it seems.

I agree. Not that I'm sort of special or anything, but I believe it will not be as disastrous as it has been for some people. With time I've come to learn the ways of Saturn and have gained it's "respect" making it a friend of mine. I want more of it. I've got plans for 2022 that depend on all the wonders Saturn can bestow.
Saturn in Aquarius is indeed a once in a lifetime opportunity. If this goes well, I will be repeating this several times during the whole transit.

 

[Gearshift]

I agree. Not that I'm sort of special or anything, but I believe it will not be as disastrous as it has been for some people. With time I've come to learn the ways of Saturn and have gained it's "respect" making it a friend of mine. I want more of it. I've got plans for 2022 that depend on all the wonders Saturn can bestow.
Saturn in Aquarius is indeed a once in a lifetime opportunity. If this goes well, I will be repeating this several times during the whole transit.

IF this is so SiA, this aspect. Then I might consider spamming Saturn square.

But I've never really suffered any karmic issues albeit again as I mentioned above I'm not spiritually advanced. But if Saturn goes well with me I'm quite a Saturnian person my birthday is in the major Saturn transition of Pluto in Scorpio era, not pre- nor post- Saturn but it's in Saturn.

From everything I've read above being mentioned Jupiter acting in a negative fashion. That's no surprise it might be Aggrandizing but with negatives as well. I believe it's effects push even negative events to manifest due to Jupiter expansion aspect. EVEN IF Good it can be too good. For example gaining weight for body/free weight lifting only to become fatter or for example as mentioned Jupiter aggrandized a negative scenario maybe karmic for the person.

Anyways if Saturn is grounding and Centering(Which I never got a clear answer for wanting to know what Centering is). Then my only guess is it's good. I'm the type of person if I were to have my astrological chart read. It would read as this person is a chameleon(takes on others aspects if sad I become sad if Strong personality I become strong if weak I become) who is tripping balls on Neptunian hallucinogenic aspect and has one foot on the ground almost ready to lift off into cloud-9 and continue tripping balls in a deep internal mental intensity, over-reliant on intuition, and on top of that is a person who is a ladder I'm so past oriented that I control my present/future self from the back of the ladder while my body is like a puppet going around.

To put it succinctly I'm on drugs not literally but my sense of existence is very ungrounded and uncentered and in cloud-9 partially.

1.) So to ask When I calculate the dates for Saturn Square which I like cause it's short. How many affirmation should I do for numerological superiority and what should my affirmation be?

The energy of the Saturn Square is permanently grounding and centering me in a positive and healthy way for me.

2.) Is this a fair affirmation or can I introduce something different?

Finally 3.) Which Saturn square Material(Earthly) or Spiritual Svaha?

BTW two more questions.

3.)How exactly do we maximize the square? Using Colors or Sensations or whatever. How would I use the square if I'm trying to ground and center myself how would I visualize that. Or is it like certain rituals that have no visual component it's so phonetically limited there is nothing worth visualizing about or maybe our definition of metaphysical imprint had a past Ancient world or God tier level of visualizing that has been lost to man currently.

4.) Is affirming directly for grounding and centering useful? Can I use Saturn Square for something else and still receive the benefits?

I recall someone mentioning the Saturn boosting on Svaha to your astro chart pumps up a lot of Saturn byproducts of it's capacity.
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Lydia give some great advice years ago during Jupiter Spam 2019 whereby she mentioned spending at least a few minutes 5 or so minutes creates more permanentlizing effects. Somewhere else she stated Lydia has mentioned she's done upwards of 20 minutes of visualizing which the metaphysical imprint becomes stronger and more permanent with or without affirming permanent in the affirmation.

Anyways I think I'll consider doing a Saturn square maybe it might help my life a lot. I'd love to do an insanity amount like HP.Cobra 40+ Loltastic crap ton of squares.

I guess that's why HP.Cobra is who he is and why he defends the JoS and promotes it stringently.

 

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

Look, I hope I don't come across as disrespectful or anything of the sort. But I feel like I have to say this, you seem to have decent knowledge of things, you seem to have been around for a long while, yet you do not meditate. And this doesn't help you at all, you stay at the same level as everyone else who is without, and at the mercy of Fate or worse. I already read your explanation for why you do not, on other threads, no need to further elaborate on that, what I am trying to say is that your problems will be solved by simply starting a meditation program and following it consistently without excuses that your mind might create as it is programmed to do so until you overcome it through meditation. No one here had it easy everyone had to work their ass off, some more than others depending on everyone's karmic issues, it's just the way it is, but that doesn't mean you are special and unable to meditate. Unless there are extreme physical and mental issues that would prevent you. Which does not seem to be the case. Even then, there are people here who have experienced extreme physical, mental and spiritual suffering and yet managed to overcome and start meditating and making their lives better. It's up to you to make the conscious decision of transforming your life once and for all and never look back. But you have to start with the basics, you can't just jump into other levels that your mind and soul may not be ready for. This sucks, particularly if you consider yourself as superior than you are in reality but it builds character, humbleness and eventually true power and understanding. But you must never give up.

Besides the fact that you're not meditating, you haven't studied your chart enough, you are not aware of your Karma, and therefore straight jumping into a Saturn Square is simply suicide. It can set off complications that you are not even aware of. These forces can literally be deadly if you don't know what you are messing with. Specially so if you are not even following a consistent meditation program, this is further setting yourself up for disaster. The warnings are in the JoS for a reason and they should not be ignored.

Squares and other workings of the soul are not negative and people who claim this are not aware of what they are doing. Even simple power meditation can have negative impact initially and that is because it is bringing the dross to the surface so that it can be cleared out. Depending on your own karma this can manifest in many unpredictable ways. It has always been advised for as long as I can remember that when performing such workings on the soul that they must be followed by intense cleaning and protections. Not knowing this can unintentionally set one for disaster if they lack awareness to this simple fact. And create more delusions. Now imagine when this happens with a Saturn Square.

 

[darkmonkey666]

I agree. Not that I'm sort of special or anything, but I believe it will not be as disastrous as it has been for some people. With time I've come to learn the ways of Saturn and have gained it's "respect" making it a friend of mine. I want more of it. I've got plans for 2022 that depend on all the wonders Saturn can bestow.
Saturn in Aquarius is indeed a once in a lifetime opportunity. If this goes well, I will be repeating this several times during the whole transit.

IF this is so SiA, this aspect. Then I might consider spamming Saturn square.

But I've never really suffered any karmic issues albeit again as I mentioned above I'm not spiritually advanced. But if Saturn goes well with me I'm quite a Saturnian person my birthday is in the major Saturn transition of Pluto in Scorpio era, not pre- nor post- Saturn but it's in Saturn.

From everything I've read above being mentioned Jupiter acting in a negative fashion. That's no surprise it might be Aggrandizing but with negatives as well. I believe it's effects push even negative events to manifest due to Jupiter expansion aspect. EVEN IF Good it can be too good. For example gaining weight for body/free weight lifting only to become fatter or for example as mentioned Jupiter aggrandized a negative scenario maybe karmic for the person.

Anyways if Saturn is grounding and Centering(Which I never got a clear answer for wanting to know what Centering is). Then my only guess is it's good. I'm the type of person if I were to have my astrological chart read. It would read as this person is a chameleon(takes on others aspects if sad I become sad if Strong personality I become strong if weak I become) who is tripping balls on Neptunian hallucinogenic aspect and has one foot on the ground almost ready to lift off into cloud-9 and continue tripping balls in a deep internal mental intensity, over-reliant on intuition, and on top of that is a person who is a ladder I'm so past oriented that I control my present/future self from the back of the ladder while my body is like a puppet going around.

To put it succinctly I'm on drugs not literally but my sense of existence is very ungrounded and uncentered and in cloud-9 partially.

1.) So to ask When I calculate the dates for Saturn Square which I like cause it's short. How many affirmation should I do for numerological superiority and what should my affirmation be?

The energy of the Saturn Square is permanently grounding and centering me in a positive and healthy way for me.

2.) Is this a fair affirmation or can I introduce something different?

Finally 3.) Which Saturn square Material(Earthly) or Spiritual Svaha?

BTW two more questions.

3.)How exactly do we maximize the square? Using Colors or Sensations or whatever. How would I use the square if I'm trying to ground and center myself how would I visualize that. Or is it like certain rituals that have no visual component it's so phonetically limited there is nothing worth visualizing about or maybe our definition of metaphysical imprint had a past Ancient world or God tier level of visualizing that has been lost to man currently.

4.) Is affirming directly for grounding and centering useful? Can I use Saturn Square for something else and still receive the benefits?

I recall someone mentioning the Saturn boosting on Svaha to your astro chart pumps up a lot of Saturn byproducts of it's capacity.
========================================================
Lydia give some great advice years ago during Jupiter Spam 2019 whereby she mentioned spending at least a few minutes 5 or so minutes creates more permanentlizing effects. Somewhere else she stated Lydia has mentioned she's done upwards of 20 minutes of visualizing which the metaphysical imprint becomes stronger and more permanent with or without affirming permanent in the affirmation.

Anyways I think I'll consider doing a Saturn square maybe it might help my life a lot. I'd love to do an insanity amount like HP.Cobra 40+ Loltastic crap ton of squares.

I guess that's why HP.Cobra is who he is and why he defends the JoS and promotes it stringently.

Yes this should help you a lot. This may actually be part of the issue here you talked about with not advancing.

A strong Saturn keeps someone centered in reality a lot of the time. You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that. There really isn't any way to maximize the power of a square other than maybe being nit picky and looking up at Saturn hour on something like astro.com or the JOS astrology thing where Saturn is. 10th 7th or 11th house are good for it. 1st house or conjunct Ascendant or conjunct chart ruler would increase power or it being chart ruler/co ruler. But this is totally Virgo like no real need to do it.

 

[Gearshift]

...non-meditating, living in ignorance...

I've tried the whole meditation thing never worked. It doesn't interest me. For example 2016 after finding out the external website. Apparently sometime around 2014 is when the old proPHP forums were built. I checked it out after spending about a few weeks reading and whatnot I began to change.

I've been at this since 2016 for example cleaning or doing XYZ meditation or doing this or that. It just doesn't work. I don't feel or am cleaner. I don't feel anything for that matter. Like I said before although people discount this person SWG(Southern White Gentleman) and he apparently left or ceased communicating or probably created a smurf account and posts under a different name. At the end of the day it gets to the point whereby I just study for the political and just to know the spiritual. For the sake of knowing.

I'm mentally intense at this point I only care about learning for the sake of learning. If it's real and it works for you fine I'll give you all the advice possible. If not then continue going and hope you become better. In other words do as I say, not as I do. I don't find meditation in any way enjoyable nor does it work for me at least. I've said this before but pretty much being on the internet since 1999, I've gone into studying lucid dreaming, astral projection to no avail. I just learn it for the sake of learning. Like basically as a mental curiosity; just to study it for whatever reasons just to study it for the sake of studying. I came here in 2003 nearly 20 years ago and that is it. I dedicated did some meditation never found it working so I just stayed around in my middle and high school years and the years leading up to 2016 in my same thinking about killing people, warfare, sex, spiritual satanism etc.etc. I invented my own things and theorized stuff.

In other words I just dedicated again for the sake of dedicating. Nothing happened, nor nothing; apparently in the succubus thread some person typed "I doubt a person gets a succubi/incubi if they don't work on advancement".

Well what can I say is the succubus that was sent to me a mental insanity or real being or maybe I made the whole thing up. I don't know, I did the break up ritual. I guess that too is insanity then it's just my own mind or self inventing things.

Anyways to put it bluntly I don't meditate as a matter of fact I pretty much quit meditation about a week and half a ago due to an email with my friend whereby he goes your meditation is kinda like my exercise routine I never took breaks it's been 2 years since I took a break. I emailed my friend several times and he backed off for a week, did his exercise, and now he tells me he fell in love with doing exercises again and doing squats despite the lower weight he felt doing them with gusto and energy.

I guess like I said meditation and all this spiritual stuff I learn it for the sake of learning. Just to know it for the sake of knowing. I'm not gonna get immortal or magnum opus or kundalini or anything. It's just mental curiosity. If it's real then what can I say better luck next life. But for my current life these things don't exist. I don't talk to people nor even my family about this stuff. Not that they don't know about it just they don't nor care.

Most people don't care even if they care they feign interest standing there going "God when is this person gonna shut up and let me move on with my worthless piece of shit life that sucks".

For me it's never worked. I visualize or vibrate or do something to clean. Does it work no idea. I have absolutely no idea. If spirituality can be proven I'd inasmuch believe in it further and go I knew I was correct in adopting this websites doctrines and acclimating the libraries to my data banks. But if not then it's okay it's better that way, let's destroy god and xtianity and all this hippy judeo-bolshevik crap and lets put Satan and the Gods and man as these religions. Basically if Satan and the Gods are real then cool if not and just human inventions maybe trolling technology or memetic technology of the past. Then lets return man back to worship man like he used to rather than some kikes who demand destruction. Lets reverse their reversal so to speak.

I might sound horrible and might sound discouraging to people. But nothing on this site has ever worked. Even the MerKaBa meditation which is a shame the old Russian website was taken down had MerKaBa scientific information. Even that meditation does nothing. I don't know if I'm supposed to be in a trance or altered state or hell I've even done meditations in dream. To no avail, I recall a dream I did Vinasa for some reason and even in the dream there was nothing spiritual about it or anything. As normal as my vision is in real life is as normal as my dreams are even flying through outerspace or being around some scenery of extra terrestrials is normal vision.

IF people have a good time and experience stuff meditating and doing stuff. Fine cool good for you but this doesn't work for me. I simply study this to entertain myself and go off new data and improve my data banks. I just simply use it for thinking material for learning about things that maybe we aren't supposed to do or maybe it's too late for humanity to do. It's like rituals we do, do they actually work, I don't know. Sometimes I wonder if it's just normal human sentiment to prevent slavery so people are free. Coincidence maybe I don't know.

Anyways I appreciate your concern but your basically talking to a tank rolling into you. You can say this, this, and that but I'm not stopping. Perhaps I shouldn't be on these forums my answers come from reading and remembering sermons, meditations, websites etc.etc. intellectually and mentally kept data banks. I guess you can consider me a helpful troll but connecting me with trolling implies brutish behavior like for example starting a fight or harassing people.

I guess like Mutahar(Some Ordinary Gamer) spelunking the deep web only to find a whitehat hacker who posts interesting Mozilla Firefox modifications when working with Tor system. I guess I'm a Whitehat Satanist or something, never gonna advance why lie to myself if I've been trying to astral project for the last 20 some odd years and never worked. Nothing is gonna happen.

Basically if reincarnation is real or Gods or whatever I live another 30-40-50 years maybe 60-70 with medicines and whatnot but knowing my mental illness and pills it's probably increased my comorbidity i.e. lesser years alive due to how scientists, researchers, and Doctors mention certain but not all illnesses compound later in life producing less livelihood and years. And then what can I say either black out lights out that is it the end of existence. Or reincarnation. Or spending time in Hell or whatever crazy shit that occurs after death and that is it.

Anyways BlackOnyx8 thank you for the concern I appreciate but don't waste further time on me. Rather use that determination and focus to improve yourself.

Yes this should help you a lot. This may actually be part of the issue here you talked about with not advancing.

A strong Saturn keeps someone centered in reality a lot of the time. You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that. There really isn't any way to maximize the power of a square other than maybe being nit picky and looking up at Saturn hour on something like astro.com or the JOS astrology thing where Saturn is. 10th 7th or 11th house are good for it. 1st house or conjunct Ascendant or conjunct chart ruler would increase power or it being chart ruler/co ruler. But this is totally Virgo like no real need to do it.

Without getting into anything in depth my Saturn is in 1st house. I grew up during the Saturn transit of pluto in Scorpio circa the mid-late-1989-1991/1992 area where for those years people were born with prominent Saturn at least in my case I assume having 1st house Saturn is an intense property or work more so in said manner intense. So it's not just Pluto in Scorpio i.e. it's dominant but also Saturn in Capricorn 1st.

Same time the so-called Triple Conjunction occurred like Taylor Swift's chart that possess the three in people analyzing her chart.

 

[Gearshift]

You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that.

Isn't this incorrect?

Both in that it is "past tense" and that it doesn't put a positive affirmation.

I am centering and grounding in reality in a positive and healthy way? or my own affirmation+positive clause safe, healthy, positive and beneficial way.

I've simplified my positive clause to positive and healthy from the bigger one.

But wouldn't it be "I am centering and grounding in reality in a positive and healthy way"?

See this is were I get confused there are a few people that post affirmations without a positive clause. Isn't it normal to include positive in all affirmations for positive magick. Or are there people who like taking a risk and procure scenarios that are more leaning towards negative than fully positive at least some sort of out of my comfort zone?

Isn't present tense the proper way to go?

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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I don't understand what you mean by it hasn't "worked for you". You should not expect any "fireworks" to happen the first time you clean your aura and so forth. This holds true especially for a beginner who may have a harder time generating and directing energy.

However, there are also plenty of ways for a beginner to test if these exercises work: Have you tried the chakra openings? Do double or triple the opening vibrations of what HPS Maxine has written; it will probably make the chakra very sore and sensitive. Impossible to deny it then.

The same goes for inhaling lots of an element. Inhale lot 10 big breaths of earth energy and you will feel like a rock for some amount of hours after. Yes, it will be probably unpleasant or weird, but if you are trying to prove the existence of energy work, then just do it.

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I can understand what you mean about mental curiosity and also having your head in the clouds. I have a decent amount of air and water, plus a weaker Saturn in my chart. So I love to think and dream and so forth, but one can only do this for so long before it becomes boring. I don't want to just read what others say about energy. I want to SEE the energy myself. I want to study everything firsthand.

And beyond that, I want all the siddhis and I want to interact with the Gods, and every other reward of this path. So it was not initially easy for me to sit and meditate, but I kept doing it until I became powerful enough to permanently gain more fire and earth characteristics. And no, it did not go perfectly or smoothly, but the point is just not giving up.

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No offense but I think you are expecting some crazy reaction to happen from the first meditation exercise. That is not the reality of it, and it is why HPHC makes posts about this path being an arduous one every month it seems. At the same time, the gains become exponential over time, so you will definitely get your rewards.

Before one can expect results with something like the Merkaba or other advanced exercise, they must first be proficient with the basics, including a trained mind and ability to apply/manipulate energy. If you just try it from the start, of course it will feel like nothing is happening. The same occurs if you try to push a boulder when you have never physically exercised.

Again, no offense, but I think you are seriously shooting yourself in the foot by giving up advancement. If I were you, I would give it another try, and ask the Gods to please help you understand what has been getting in your way. Otherwise, it would be a real shame to let this mental obstacle rob you of 20, 30, 40 or more years of advancement time.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

You can make your affirmation simple like "I am centered and grounded in reality" something like that.

Isn't this incorrect?

Yes, include your positive clause. I think Slyscorpion was just writing to you briefly. Some people can also intend the energy to be positive while they are programming it, even if they didn't actually write that down.

If anyone could tell that a working was negatively impacting him, it is probably Slyscorpion anyway. So I would trust his judgement with this sort of stuff.

Whether or not you make the affirmation past or present tense depends on the context of what you are trying to achieve. Also, affirmations are merely mental guides and don't have to be exact on grammar or whatever. It is more important that the affirmation makes sense in your head, allowing you to focus on what you are trying to do.

So you could imagine the end state, where the energy has [now] grounded you, or you could think of what the energy is actively doing, which is (present-tense) pushing your body towards a more grounded state, which would then inevitably result in being more grounded from the previous moment, as a result of the energy's actions.