Red hair and freckles not a white trait (?)

[Henu the Great]

HPS Maxine said it. Why are some people pretending hailourtruegod is the one originating this idea just because they disagree?

Either way, blond haired people with the ability to tan are the seed race of Aryans, not redheads. This is indisputable.

No contest. I was simply delivering his request.

 

[hailourtruegod]

What I meant was *mixing of Black with Whites (Irish)j which is what was the same claim Maxine made.

On rereading the page it's another old member who made the claim that it originated from Irish mixing with Blacks. Maxine didn't get into where exactly this trait came from as far I see in that page. All she said was the "part black" comment.

It was mercury retrograde when I first read the page and making most of these replies. Now reading it again I understand it better.

Again my apologies... :/

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

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You're fine bro. I don't mind. I've done the same kind of mistake before, and so has everybody else.


I know it was some other guy that said it. That's why I said it was some other guy that said it. She just talked generally about groups of people who had some amount of mixing a very long time ago.

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

HPS Maxine said it. Why are some people pretending hailourtruegod is the one originating this idea just because they disagree?

Either way, blond haired people with the ability to tan are the seed race of Aryans, not redheads. This is indisputable.

The quote that originally started this that's found here,

https://whitedeathofislam.deathofcommunism.com/on-race/

On another note, people with red hair and freckles are part black. I have seen several blacks who were light-skinned, freckled and had tinges of red hair.

This is the original statement being made. It's what started it aside from the wrong comment that it was "some guy" that was made by two members.

What Ol is saying aligns with this comment and which I agree is mixed blacks that have it not pure blacks.

Maxine in that quote says "light-skinned" which obviously means a mixed Black person.

She never made the statement it came solely pure Blacks.

It was a complete mistake on my part when I said it came from Blacks instead of mixed Blacks.

She meant what she said. HPS Maxine never spoke in code. She meant it came from pure Blacks mixing with White people ages back. Red hair itself is from a gene from Africa (rarer alleles of the MC1R gene). Look at what she goes on to say:

Also, people with red hair and freckles. The nonwhite genes go way, way back, and they are very mostly White. There are degrees of White.

Blond hair (KITLG allele) is noted to have originated in Western Eurasia, with zero presence anywhere else.

Please don't backwalk what she said just to placate people when you were correct the first time. Blond haired people are the seed Nordic race.

One thing one has to understand is, and I LOVE red hair, so none of what I say here is a bias against anything, but the times of the past created certain beauty ideals among White people. One of those from the Renaissance up to the Victorian era was red hair in the Renaissance (brown hair in the Victorian era) and being as pale (even to the point of poisoning one's skin with arsenic) as imaginably possible. There is nothing wrong with finding redheads beautiful (as I said before, they generally are less mixed than most White people are) but this is not necessarily what NS Germany considered to represent the seed race of Aryans.

Do you get why all this NS material has blond people when most European portraits of the Renaissance up to the Victorian era (other than a few outliers like Durer) overwhelmingly represented dark haired people and redheads to the detriment of blonds?

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Of course there is presence of DNA for red hair in Northern Africa. Because the ruling Egyptian pharaohs for tens of thousands of years, or even hundreds of thousands of years, have been White people with either blonde or red hair. Both of these colors were very common in royalty and leaders. So talking about present day after 2,000 years of race mixing, there will be some evidence of this white DNA still in this location. Modern Egyptians are so mixed many of them do not resemble any single main race, and some of the white DNA that has been in that location since the beginning of time is still there.


There also is the fact that most of these DNA studies are controlled by jews who purposefully lie about the results to promote the lie that the White race does not exist, white people are descended from black people, and all kinds of crazy nonsense.


If you are going to talk about German war propaganda posters, you should look at a larger number of these. And specifically look at posters promoting SS divisions in other countries besides Germany. All of these posters are designed to look like the citizens of the country they are for. The posters for German citizens are made to look like German citizens with blonde hair, and posters for other countries are made to look like the citizens of those countries. And the hair is not always blonde, when it is for countries where that color is not as common.


Also it is possible that something Maxine said many years ago was wrong or was a mistake. She has written hundreds of pages of text with greater than 99.99% accuracy, but there are a few examples of incorrect things. Do not become so closed minded that you could never admit to any possibility of something being wrong. Especially if you may be misunderstanding the original intention to begin with. Truth does not fear exploration of more facts and information.

 

[Jrvan]

Of course there is presence of DNA for red hair in Northern Africa. Because the ruling Egyptian pharaohs for tens of thousands of years, or even hundreds of thousands of years, have been White people with either blonde or red hair. Both of these colors were very common in royalty and leaders. So talking about present day after 2,000 years of race mixing, there will be some evidence of this white DNA still in this location. Modern Egyptians are so mixed many of them do not resemble any single main race, and some of the white DNA that has been in that location since the beginning of time is still there.


There also is the fact that most of these DNA studies are controlled by jews who purposefully lie about the results to promote the lie that the White race does not exist, white people are descended from black people, and all kinds of crazy nonsense.


If you are going to talk about German war propaganda posters, you should look at a larger number of these. And specifically look at posters promoting SS divisions in other countries besides Germany. All of these posters are designed to look like the citizens of the country they are for. The posters for German citizens are made to look like German citizens with blonde hair, and posters for other countries are made to look like the citizens of those countries. And the hair is not always blonde, when it is for countries where that color is not as common.


Also it is possible that something Maxine said many years ago was wrong or was a mistake. She has written hundreds of pages of text with greater than 99.99% accuracy, but there are a few examples of incorrect things. Do not become so closed minded that you could never admit to any possibility of something being wrong. Especially if you may be misunderstanding the original intention to begin with. Truth does not fear exploration of more facts and information.

Well said.

Maxine explored in the dark through hundreds of corrupted sources. She was piecing together a jigsaw puzzle where you couldn't even be 100% sure that the pieces were correct, or if the pieces contained the right image. Not everything is going to be perfect, but back then nobody had any of this information. It's thanks to Maxine that we could even get started.

She always said it was fine to not agree on everything, and that even clergy didn't always agree with each other.

By the way, I didn't know that about the posters so... thanks.

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

Of course there is presence of DNA for red hair in Northern Africa. Because the ruling Egyptian pharaohs for tens of thousands of years, or even hundreds of thousands of years, have been White people with either blonde or red hair. Both of these colors were very common in royalty and leaders. So talking about present day after 2,000 years of race mixing, there will be some evidence of this white DNA still in this location. Modern Egyptians are so mixed many of them do not resemble any single main race, and some of the white DNA that has been in that location since the beginning of time is still there.


There also is the fact that most of these DNA studies are controlled by jews who purposefully lie about the results to promote the lie that the White race does not exist, white people are descended from black people, and all kinds of crazy nonsense.


If you are going to talk about German war propaganda posters, you should look at a larger number of these. And specifically look at posters promoting SS divisions in other countries besides Germany. All of these posters are designed to look like the citizens of the country they are for. The posters for German citizens are made to look like German citizens with blonde hair, and posters for other countries are made to look like the citizens of those countries. And the hair is not always blonde, when it is for countries where that color is not as common.


Also it is possible that something Maxine said many years ago was wrong or was a mistake. She has written hundreds of pages of text with greater than 99.99% accuracy, but there are a few examples of incorrect things. Do not become so closed minded that you could never admit to any possibility of something being wrong. Especially if you may be misunderstanding the original intention to begin with. Truth does not fear exploration of more facts and information.

I do not fear exploration of truth, but what she said is the truth.

She only said this in 2017 anyway so really not that long ago at all. If it was nonsense and she was just 'piecing it together' (???) she would've corrected it instead of leaving it up on whitedeathofislam within the last 5 years.

Even my SS race book and "Der Untermensch" has pictures of blond Turkish peasants, of all things. The SS priority was to recreate a seed race from all over Europe (but mostly Germany) that could be used for the Reich. Blondness was not a necessity to join the SS, and obviously redheads were held in high esteem being relatively pure, but blondness was highly favored in all regards to the point where blonds are synonymous with NS. You won't see many redheads on the posters because they are NOT the pure seed race of Aryans, no matter how much WN organizations and romantics think so.

As far as Egypt is concerned we know exactly why this is. The first pharoahs were Nordic. Thuya's mummy shows bright blonde hair. Then after this we get the redheads, and then the darker hair colours. The grotesque hybrid filth Akhenaten that nearly destroyed everything appeared several generations before Ramesses. Egypt was already troubled by the mid-New Kingdom when this thing appeared on the scene.

By the collapse after the New Kingdom we see loads of mixed-race phenotypes in the aristocracy of Egypt that are not even White anymore, and then the Kushites conquered Egypt with their dynasties, then Egypt was absorbed into Persia, and long after that the blonde Aryan Alexander and Ptolemies reigned. So what does that tell us?

 

[Jrvan]

Of course there is presence of DNA for red hair in Northern Africa. Because the ruling Egyptian pharaohs for tens of thousands of years, or even hundreds of thousands of years, have been White people with either blonde or red hair. Both of these colors were very common in royalty and leaders. So talking about present day after 2,000 years of race mixing, there will be some evidence of this white DNA still in this location. Modern Egyptians are so mixed many of them do not resemble any single main race, and some of the white DNA that has been in that location since the beginning of time is still there.


There also is the fact that most of these DNA studies are controlled by jews who purposefully lie about the results to promote the lie that the White race does not exist, white people are descended from black people, and all kinds of crazy nonsense.


If you are going to talk about German war propaganda posters, you should look at a larger number of these. And specifically look at posters promoting SS divisions in other countries besides Germany. All of these posters are designed to look like the citizens of the country they are for. The posters for German citizens are made to look like German citizens with blonde hair, and posters for other countries are made to look like the citizens of those countries. And the hair is not always blonde, when it is for countries where that color is not as common.


Also it is possible that something Maxine said many years ago was wrong or was a mistake. She has written hundreds of pages of text with greater than 99.99% accuracy, but there are a few examples of incorrect things. Do not become so closed minded that you could never admit to any possibility of something being wrong. Especially if you may be misunderstanding the original intention to begin with. Truth does not fear exploration of more facts and information.

I do not fear exploration of truth, but what she said is the truth.

She only said this in 2017 anyway so really not that long ago at all. If it was nonsense and she was just 'piecing it together' (???) she would've corrected it instead of leaving it up on whitedeathofislam within the last 5 years.

Even my SS race book and "Der Untermensch" has pictures of blond Turkish peasants, of all things. The SS priority was to recreate a seed race from all over Europe (but mostly Germany) that could be used for the Reich. Blondness was not a necessity to join the SS, and obviously redheads were held in high esteem being relatively pure, but blondness was highly favored in all regards to the point where blonds are synonymous with NS. You won't see many redheads on the posters because they are NOT the pure seed race of Aryans, no matter how much WN organizations and romantics think so.

As far as Egypt is concerned we know exactly why this is. The first pharoahs were Nordic. Thuya's mummy shows bright blonde hair. Then after this we get the redheads, and then the darker hair colours. The grotesque hybrid filth Akhenaten that nearly destroyed everything appeared several generations before Ramesses. Egypt was already troubled by the mid-New Kingdom when this thing appeared on the scene.

By the collapse after the New Kingdom we see loads of mixed-race phenotypes in the aristocracy of Egypt that are not even White anymore, and then the Kushites conquered Egypt with their dynasties, then Egypt was absorbed into Persia, and long after that the blonde Aryan Alexander and Ptolemies reigned. So what does that tell us?

I respectfully disagree. I don't think the White race originally consisted of only blond haired people. It doesn't make sense to me when there are Nordic Gods with other hair colors. I personally think that over 15,000 years ago before the invasion, when all White people were 100% pure and unmixed, that you would have found White people with different hair colors like brown and red - not just blond.

Also, about the reference to my other comment: I was referring to piecing together the occult knowledge and Sumerian myths, the war in heaven, etc etc... And I didn't use the word "nonsense." I only said I disagree with her.

 

[hailourtruegod]

All very interesting points as well what others replied to you with. I have not much to add to the claim that it did come from pure Black's if that's what the claim you're making.

My stance was first about it coming from mixing with Blacks and if one sees my correction on the statement I accidentally made and go read my replies it'll make sense that that was the premise of my rebuttals. It's why I never went ahead and gave Ol argedco luciftias a reply to him asking me to bring forth info that red hair came from pure Blacks and that's it.

If I was walking back what I said then I wouldn't have asked for anyone to quote me otherwise and it's why I got a bit upset that that's what was being said to me that I was saying.

Even if that statement is true it's not what I meant to convey on my part and just coincidence if true.

I do find it viable to at least claim that history has been messed with and that might have gone into the red hair found on mummies.

Bringing up Akhenaten does show that even back then there was moment where mixing could have been a thing even if only a small percentage of people.

Not saying you're right or wrong now but pointing out that we can't just assume there was no race mixing back then when we know there were infiltrator leaders in ancient Egypt.

I'm still in the middle of this to be honest because of the points others have made.

Just wanted to say this so there's no misconception about me "walking back" my words to "placate" anything.

 

[Egon]

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There also is the fact that most of these DNA studies are controlled by jews who purposefully lie about the results to promote the lie that the White race does not exist, white people are descended from black people, and all kinds of crazy nonsense.
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Also it is possible that something Maxine said many years ago was wrong or was a mistake. She has written hundreds of pages of text with greater than 99.99% accuracy, but there are a few examples of incorrect things. Do not become so closed minded that you could never admit to any possibility of something being wrong....

I do not fear exploration of truth, but what she said is the truth.

She only said this in 2017 anyway so really not that long ago at all. If it was nonsense and she was just 'piecing it together' (???) she would've corrected it...

I respectfully disagree. I don't think the White race originally consisted of only blond haired people.

People are agreeing to disagree but there is no semantic interpretations here, she did say that, but also it is not being said that Blonde was the only type of Whites that originally existed:

"You also have to take into account old European races also had auburn hair, something that gets mistaken for the red head gene which exists in Germanic and Nordic peoples."

"...this is where the ginger gene from blacks would have come from. However unlike the stereotype, very few Irish people are red heads. Most are blonde and brown haired and even in current red heads, their ginger genes are dying out, the red head gene is expected to become extinct in just a few generations."

I personally think that it could be a sincere research mistake by HPS Maxine because of the points in Ol's quote, and Karnonnos was as well mistaken about the Gods' communication part about this, but I'm interested in whether or not HP HC would have the answer for this - sorry for asking yet another moderation on an elongated dispute. Specially because this is getting pretty questionable already, this quoting of both her, and whether the Gods really confirmed this or could this be a misunderstanding of astral communication, leading to further misinterpretation of the Gods and their White human children.

 

[Stormblood]

Do you get why all this NS material has blond people when most European portraits of the Renaissance up to the Victorian era (other than a few outliers like Durer) overwhelmingly represented dark haired people and redheads to the detriment of blonds?

One thing I noticed is the picture don't show anyone looking like a bodybuilder or gym rat. The propaganda posters show people looking like gymnasts and swimmers or, in another words, people with a natural, lean muscular body build, which brings me even more to question many forum members' obsession with bodybuilding, lifting and unnaturally body, dysfunctional builds.

 

[Jrvan]

I do not fear exploration of truth, but what she said is the truth.

She only said this in 2017 anyway so really not that long ago at all. If it was nonsense and she was just 'piecing it together' (???) she would've corrected it...

I respectfully disagree. I don't think the White race originally consisted of only blond haired people.

People are agreeing to disagree but there is no semantic interpretations here, she did say that, but also it is not being said that Blonde was the only type of Whites that originally existed:

She said it in the OP of that thread:

Pure 100% Whites have fine light blonde hair and blue eyes,

I briefly looked through that quoted thread on the group archives. I had an observation about a comment exchange.

First was Egon's comment which I'm going to clip the relevant part of:

Post by egon_88_666 » 2017 01 19 21:26:44

But there are naturaly dark haired pure Whites such as Gods Set and Asmodeus right?

Then this was Maxine's partial reply, I believe, in part of her comment:

Post by maxine.dietrich666 » 2017 01 19 22:12:08

Also, in response to another post here concerning Demons, many are of different ET races, who are friendly to humanity. Also, some were humans who achieved the Godhead, and are helping us by choice.

I don't mean any offense to Maxine, but this seems like a question dodge to me. The particular Demons who were mentioned by Egon, are White Nordic Gods, not other ET races.

(Egon, I'm presuming this was you on the old forum with the 88_666 added to your username. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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Just giving you a notice on the forums that I sent an email to your ymail account. Not sure if this is your current one or not.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

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After looking at the common traits of red haired whites, there appear to be multiple different kinds of phenotypes here.

However, there is a distinct phenotype of specifically the more orange haired redhead whites that have a lot of distinctly non-white racial traits, which can only come from some kind of race mixing in their heritage since long ago.

Large lower lip and wide nostrils are common among them. Which are predominantly traits of the black race rather than whites.

I suspect somewhere along the line of racial heritage, there has to have been race mixing behind the red headed whites.

If it's purely from blacks or not I don't know, but they are distinctly different from blonde haired blue eyed "Nordic" whites.

The white race is most likely to have been modeled after Satan and his people originally, whom all have a pure white skin, blue colored eyes, light blonde hair and a very fair appearance.

Technically any whites who deviate from those traits would be different from the racial root, and should be distinct. Like a subrace.

That isn't necessarily bad however, and it is possible for change to occur even without race mixing, but through natural mutation creating distinct traits within a populace.

Considering the true history of Earthly humanity goes as far back as 72.000 years, a lot could have happened over this very long period of time to generate different sub races among all the races, even independent of race mixing.


I do believe however that the freckled red head whites are a result of race mixing, likely with blacks as Maxine said, at some point in time.

Then through many generations of procreating with their own people and with other whites, you have a bunch of red headed whites who don't exhibit much of the mixed traits anymore, and even some who for example don't even have any freckles at all anymore, yet still have the distinctly red hair.


Maxine made that emphasis on the blue eyed blonde haired whites, as this is the root of the white race on Earth, and if this dies out, it would mean the root of the white race would be gone from the Earth, which must not happen.

It doesn't mean however that other people who may be a sub race of whites rather than have the pure root, would be lesser as people or cannot advance or something.

The purity of blood doesn't equate to the quality of soul or being.

Asmodeus has distinctly different traits from a Norse white man, yet he does still find his racial root as originally a white person from Earth, however it is pretty obvious he would have been from a different sub race of whites.

In his case however it goes another step further in that, as a person advances to a very high level, even before reaching the Godhead, they basically become a different species altogether, evolving to a higher existence than the ordinary non-advanced person.

How exactly this relates to race I don't know yet and I can't explain.

Purely genetically, the traits of whites originally were only blonde hair and blue eyes with completely fair skin.

These days there exist many identifiable subraces, some distinctly different enough to be identifiable as an entire different species.

I think the red headed whites are different and distinct enough to be classified as such.

However as they share their racial root among the white race regardless of how their racial heritage originated, it shouldn't be problematic if they procreate with other whites, as in the end, even if we have different traits, we share the same root.

In populations which are very distinctly different and lack the common traits of whites altogether, or those are so heavily mixed they cannot be identified as belonging to any root, they should be considered an entire new species of their own and really they should only procreate among themselves to propagate their own unique existence rather than mix themselves out of existence again by subsuming back into the other racial pools through mixing.

Many distinct Arabian populations fall into that category.

There are many distinct racial groups there, which resulted from generations long race mixing which happened long ago, and they share their own traits among themselves which sets them apart from the original three races which the Gods created on Earth.

They are to be considered their own species, no different than how Whites, Blacks and Asians are distinctly different species, even if originally the many different arab people's didn't exist, but have come into being at a later time due to regional race mixing which then became distinct populations who regionally procreated among themselves, evolving into their own species through this process of evolution that occurs from generation to generation.


Maxine's commentary isn't wrong. Neither it is something negative.

The negative connotation comes from the lack of understanding about race in general that almost everyone on Earth suffers from.


Think of it this way.

Among the thousands of recognized species of birds, there are 72 recognized species of Herons alone.

These 72 different species are considered to be from the same family, or root, yet they are recognizably different to be considered different species.

Some of the differences are only in the colors of their feathers, or the size of their bodies.

We have categorized all the species of animals into different groups based on their genetic roots, and we can figure out through genetics how these species came to be and how this tree of species with its many branches came to be.

We don't understand everything, but it is a fact we recognize different species among all animals, even those with small differences among themselves (this is especially apparent when looking at inspect species, where tiny differences in appearance, such as literally one different colored dot on the carapace of a beetle can be recognized as this beetle being a different species altogether from other similar beetles).

Yet people struggle to understand the exact same applies to humans.

We have our racial family trees, our racial roots, such as how Herons, Egrets and Pelicans can be traced to the root of "Pelecaniformes".

Then the Pelecaniformes, Suliformes and Ciconiiformes (different groups of species, each also with their own individual species), find their root together in Austrodipthornites, which is a larger group where shared genetic traits of many bird species originate and can be traced back to.

These each have different branches which branch of into different species.

If the root species would disappear, it would mean the entire branch disappears, while races would be extinct. For lesser species this may not be damning, but for higher developed species this is damning due to the connection our species have through the racial soul.


The original white race of purely blue eyed, blonde haired and fair skinned whites would be the root of which all other white sub races branched out from.

Each sub race can be considered their own species, especially so those who exist regionally as distinctly recognizable people who procreate among themselves for generations.


What I am getting at is, yes, red hair and freckles are not a white trait. Neither are these a black trait.

These are the trait of a unique species of whites which has formed its own branch on the racial tree of the white race, different from other whites and a species of their own.

As they do share a root with whites, they are ultimate a white sub race, regardless if their origins are due to race mixing with blacks in their heritage, but the traits they have are unique to them and different from the white root.

Hail Satan!

 

[Stormblood]

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After looking at the common traits of red haired whites, there appear to be multiple different kinds of phenotypes here.

However, there is a distinct phenotype of specifically the more orange haired redhead whites that have a lot of distinctly non-white racial traits, which can only come from some kind of race mixing in their heritage since long ago.

Large lower lip and wide nostrils are common among them. Which are predominantly traits of the black race rather than whites.

I suspect somewhere along the line of racial heritage, there has to have been race mixing behind the red headed whites.

If it's purely from blacks or not I don't know, but they are distinctly different from blonde haired blue eyed "Nordic" whites.

The white race is most likely to have been modeled after Satan and his people originally, whom all have a pure white skin, blue colored eyes, light blonde hair and a very fair appearance.

Technically any whites who deviate from those traits would be different from the racial root, and should be distinct. Like a subrace.

That isn't necessarily bad however, and it is possible for change to occur even without race mixing, but through natural mutation creating distinct traits within a populace.

Considering the true history of Earthly humanity goes as far back as 72.000 years, a lot could have happened over this very long period of time to generate different sub races among all the races, even independent of race mixing.


I do believe however that the freckled red head whites are a result of race mixing, likely with blacks as Maxine said, at some point in time.

Then through many generations of procreating with their own people and with other whites, you have a bunch of red headed whites who don't exhibit much of the mixed traits anymore, and even some who for example don't even have any freckles at all anymore, yet still have the distinctly red hair.


Maxine made that emphasis on the blue eyed blonde haired whites, as this is the root of the white race on Earth, and if this dies out, it would mean the root of the white race would be gone from the Earth, which must not happen.

It doesn't mean however that other people who may be a sub race of whites rather than have the pure root, would be lesser as people or cannot advance or something.

The purity of blood doesn't equate to the quality of soul or being.

Asmodeus has distinctly different traits from a Norse white man, yet he does still find his racial root as originally a white person from Earth, however it is pretty obvious he would have been from a different sub race of whites.

In his case however it goes another step further in that, as a person advances to a very high level, even before reaching the Godhead, they basically become a different species altogether, evolving to a higher existence than the ordinary non-advanced person.

How exactly this relates to race I don't know yet and I can't explain.

Purely genetically, the traits of whites originally were only blonde hair and blue eyes with completely fair skin.

These days there exist many identifiable subraces, some distinctly different enough to be identifiable as an entire different species.

I think the red headed whites are different and distinct enough to be classified as such.

However as they share their racial root among the white race regardless of how their racial heritage originated, it shouldn't be problematic if they procreate with other whites, as in the end, even if we have different traits, we share the same root.

In populations which are very distinctly different and lack the common traits of whites altogether, or those are so heavily mixed they cannot be identified as belonging to any root, they should be considered an entire new species of their own and really they should only procreate among themselves to propagate their own unique existence rather than mix themselves out of existence again by subsuming back into the other racial pools through mixing.

Many distinct Arabian populations fall into that category.

There are many distinct racial groups there, which resulted from generations long race mixing which happened long ago, and they share their own traits among themselves which sets them apart from the original three races which the Gods created on Earth.

They are to be considered their own species, no different than how Whites, Blacks and Asians are distinctly different species, even if originally the many different arab people's didn't exist, but have come into being at a later time due to regional race mixing which then became distinct populations who regionally procreated among themselves, evolving into their own species through this process of evolution that occurs from generation to generation.


Maxine's commentary isn't wrong. Neither it is something negative.

The negative connotation comes from the lack of understanding about race in general that almost everyone on Earth suffers from.


Think of it this way.

Among the thousands of recognized species of birds, there are 72 recognized species of Herons alone.

These 72 different species are considered to be from the same family, or root, yet they are recognizably different to be considered different species.

Some of the differences are only in the colors of their feathers, or the size of their bodies.

We have categorized all the species of animals into different groups based on their genetic roots, and we can figure out through genetics how these species came to be and how this tree of species with its many branches came to be.

We don't understand everything, but it is a fact we recognize different species among all animals, even those with small differences among themselves (this is especially apparent when looking at inspect species, where tiny differences in appearance, such as literally one different colored dot on the carapace of a beetle can be recognized as this beetle being a different species altogether from other similar beetles).

Yet people struggle to understand the exact same applies to humans.

We have our racial family trees, our racial roots, such as how Herons, Egrets and Pelicans can be traced to the root of "Pelecaniformes".

Then the Pelecaniformes, Suliformes and Ciconiiformes (different groups of species, each also with their own individual species), find their root together in Austrodipthornites, which is a larger group where shared genetic traits of many bird species originate and can be traced back to.

These each have different branches which branch of into different species.

If the root species would disappear, it would mean the entire branch disappears, while races would be extinct. For lesser species this may not be damning, but for higher developed species this is damning due to the connection our species have through the racial soul.


The original white race of purely blue eyed, blonde haired and fair skinned whites would be the root of which all other white sub races branched out from.

Each sub race can be considered their own species, especially so those who exist regionally as distinctly recognizable people who procreate among themselves for generations.


What I am getting at is, yes, red hair and freckles are not a white trait. Neither are these a black trait.

These are the trait of a unique species of whites which has formed its own branch on the racial tree of the white race, different from other whites and a species of their own.

As they do share a root with whites, they are ultimate a white sub race, regardless if their origins are due to race mixing with blacks in their heritage, but the traits they have are unique to them and different from the white root.

Hail Satan!

I appreciate your point of view. My only issue with it is that 'redheads' are often treated (including in your reply) as if they are something different from blond, whilst the red hair colour is more properly called copper blond, strawberry blond and so on; just like there is golden blond, platinum blond, light blond, very light blond, dark blond, ash blond, and so on. If the base colour wasn't blond, the copper 'highlight' wouldn't be noticeable at all and people would think people are brown-haired or something like that. Of course, there are brown-haired people who, in the sunshine, can seem copper, which is a lot rarer.

I think the whole argument in common people (and others) arises from the mistaken disassociation of 'red' from the base hair colour. The only base colours are blond, brown and black. Then there is lack of colour in old sub-humans, which turns the hair grey or white.

 

[Jrvan]

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After looking at the common traits of red haired whites, there appear to be multiple different kinds of phenotypes here.

However, there is a distinct phenotype of specifically the more orange haired redhead whites that have a lot of distinctly non-white racial traits, which can only come from some kind of race mixing in their heritage since long ago.

Large lower lip and wide nostrils are common among them. Which are predominantly traits of the black race rather than whites.

I suspect somewhere along the line of racial heritage, there has to have been race mixing behind the red headed whites.

If it's purely from blacks or not I don't know, but they are distinctly different from blonde haired blue eyed "Nordic" whites.

The white race is most likely to have been modeled after Satan and his people originally, whom all have a pure white skin, blue colored eyes, light blonde hair and a very fair appearance.

Technically any whites who deviate from those traits would be different from the racial root, and should be distinct. Like a subrace.

That isn't necessarily bad however, and it is possible for change to occur even without race mixing, but through natural mutation creating distinct traits within a populace.

Considering the true history of Earthly humanity goes as far back as 72.000 years, a lot could have happened over this very long period of time to generate different sub races among all the races, even independent of race mixing.


I do believe however that the freckled red head whites are a result of race mixing, likely with blacks as Maxine said, at some point in time.

Then through many generations of procreating with their own people and with other whites, you have a bunch of red headed whites who don't exhibit much of the mixed traits anymore, and even some who for example don't even have any freckles at all anymore, yet still have the distinctly red hair.


Maxine made that emphasis on the blue eyed blonde haired whites, as this is the root of the white race on Earth, and if this dies out, it would mean the root of the white race would be gone from the Earth, which must not happen.

It doesn't mean however that other people who may be a sub race of whites rather than have the pure root, would be lesser as people or cannot advance or something.

The purity of blood doesn't equate to the quality of soul or being.

Asmodeus has distinctly different traits from a Norse white man, yet he does still find his racial root as originally a white person from Earth, however it is pretty obvious he would have been from a different sub race of whites.

In his case however it goes another step further in that, as a person advances to a very high level, even before reaching the Godhead, they basically become a different species altogether, evolving to a higher existence than the ordinary non-advanced person.

How exactly this relates to race I don't know yet and I can't explain.

Purely genetically, the traits of whites originally were only blonde hair and blue eyes with completely fair skin.

These days there exist many identifiable subraces, some distinctly different enough to be identifiable as an entire different species.

I think the red headed whites are different and distinct enough to be classified as such.

However as they share their racial root among the white race regardless of how their racial heritage originated, it shouldn't be problematic if they procreate with other whites, as in the end, even if we have different traits, we share the same root.

In populations which are very distinctly different and lack the common traits of whites altogether, or those are so heavily mixed they cannot be identified as belonging to any root, they should be considered an entire new species of their own and really they should only procreate among themselves to propagate their own unique existence rather than mix themselves out of existence again by subsuming back into the other racial pools through mixing.

Many distinct Arabian populations fall into that category.

There are many distinct racial groups there, which resulted from generations long race mixing which happened long ago, and they share their own traits among themselves which sets them apart from the original three races which the Gods created on Earth.

They are to be considered their own species, no different than how Whites, Blacks and Asians are distinctly different species, even if originally the many different arab people's didn't exist, but have come into being at a later time due to regional race mixing which then became distinct populations who regionally procreated among themselves, evolving into their own species through this process of evolution that occurs from generation to generation.


Maxine's commentary isn't wrong. Neither it is something negative.

The negative connotation comes from the lack of understanding about race in general that almost everyone on Earth suffers from.


Think of it this way.

Among the thousands of recognized species of birds, there are 72 recognized species of Herons alone.

These 72 different species are considered to be from the same family, or root, yet they are recognizably different to be considered different species.

Some of the differences are only in the colors of their feathers, or the size of their bodies.

We have categorized all the species of animals into different groups based on their genetic roots, and we can figure out through genetics how these species came to be and how this tree of species with its many branches came to be.

We don't understand everything, but it is a fact we recognize different species among all animals, even those with small differences among themselves (this is especially apparent when looking at inspect species, where tiny differences in appearance, such as literally one different colored dot on the carapace of a beetle can be recognized as this beetle being a different species altogether from other similar beetles).

Yet people struggle to understand the exact same applies to humans.

We have our racial family trees, our racial roots, such as how Herons, Egrets and Pelicans can be traced to the root of "Pelecaniformes".

Then the Pelecaniformes, Suliformes and Ciconiiformes (different groups of species, each also with their own individual species), find their root together in Austrodipthornites, which is a larger group where shared genetic traits of many bird species originate and can be traced back to.

These each have different branches which branch of into different species.

If the root species would disappear, it would mean the entire branch disappears, while races would be extinct. For lesser species this may not be damning, but for higher developed species this is damning due to the connection our species have through the racial soul.


The original white race of purely blue eyed, blonde haired and fair skinned whites would be the root of which all other white sub races branched out from.

Each sub race can be considered their own species, especially so those who exist regionally as distinctly recognizable people who procreate among themselves for generations.


What I am getting at is, yes, red hair and freckles are not a white trait. Neither are these a black trait.

These are the trait of a unique species of whites which has formed its own branch on the racial tree of the white race, different from other whites and a species of their own.

As they do share a root with whites, they are ultimate a white sub race, regardless if their origins are due to race mixing with blacks in their heritage, but the traits they have are unique to them and different from the white root.

Hail Satan!

Thanks for the response.

It's not that I'm offended or anything like that; I just happen to disagree. It doesn't make sense to me that freckles for example would be a case of species deviation. I already talked about freckles so I'll avoid repeating that here to save space.

Another thing is that there's no proof for my claim that there were originally variant hair colors in the original pure White race, but neither is there proof for the claim that they were originally all blond. Who can say for sure either way? We're lacking concrete data. I don't think anyone here could currently make any deterministic statement in regards to this that I would be compelled to believe. I also think it's irresponsible either way to make a deterministic statement that people would base their future decisions on, when we don't know 100% for sure. That's why I think it's best to be careful here so responsibility isn't ours to bear for potentially misleading people. Even racial scientists probably didn't have all of the answers because knowledge of our history is suppressed, and where it's not suppressed it is often corrupted. Like yes, we could look to motifs in art like romantic idealizations of Blonde haired Aryan angels, and make a feeling based assumption that this was channeled by the subconscious parts of people connecting with their ancestral soul memory. But we can't know for sure. It could just be because that's the features of the Creator whom everyone naturally adores.

I also would ask for proof that the White Nordic Gods are all blond haired and blue eyed. Would you say that some of the descriptions of their appearance by Maxine on the JoS website are inaccurate? Or is Set for example not truly a Nordic God?

I'm a little confused here as well regarding your terminology. The way I understood things, human species related to humanity at large, meaning all humans on Earth, and race referred to the different races of humanity (European, African, Asian). If they were a different species then how could they be called humans, and who would be called humans and who would not be called humans?

The categorization of humans as a species is a little weird anyway. Wikipedia would have us believe that we are in the order of primates and classified as a species of ape. I disagree with this entirely, and I think the talk of race and species for the animal kingdom is different (or should be different) from the talk about humans. Otherwise we should come up with a different word than "species" when we speak of humanity.

There are two different big trains of thought on the forums that I've noticed. One idea is that the Gods genetically altered an animal species on this planet, and this became us (I have to question why exactly they would engage in such an unnatural, unholy experiment in the first place, and why they would care so much about us like their literal children if this was all we were). The other idea is that we are the genetic offspring of the Gods. I've seen both of these lines of thought, and they can't both be true. I'm inclined to believe the latter idea, that we are the biological descendants of the Gods seeded on this planet. I don't buy this stuff about genetically engineering monkeys, and it offends me on a deep level. It feels wrong to me.

I can't think of more to say or address right now. I think I covered everything I wanted to talk about, for the most part. Many different opinions about redheads here, and I'd rather not throw my hat in the ring too much about that. I find the argument about the different types of red hair fairly convincing, but I'm too ignorant and inexperienced about it right now to really form an opinion that I would be satisfied to hold. So unfortunately I won't be swayed one way or another about this; I am firmly on the fence for now about redheads.

 

[Maya]

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Screenshots can be easily manipulated and created ad hoc. However, I remember a post of her from not too long ago where she mentioned she believes what is stated in these sermons, which speaks for its validity or, in another words, that she indeed held (or still holds) that belief.

However, that doesn't make her automatically right about it. I will always bow my head to her when it comes to spiritual knowledge, spiritual experience and other fields of knowledge, but not when it comes to this. And no scientific studies have been brought to me to show me otherwise. If anything, all scientific studies I've read in the last 16 years prove the opposite to me: that, while red hair can appear in mixed people, White people have always had it before mixing began. See the other topic for other statements on that, as this is not the right topic to discuss this.

You're free to believe whomever you want or do your own research to make up your mind either way. Neither you or anyone else will convince me otherwise, though, especially with my past lives memories also showing the opposite of what you guys are arguing.

This is also not a matter that should lead to infighting. It is completely irrelevant to future advancement.

Are you implying I manipulated the screenshots? You imply I manipulated what hps Maxine said, for what reason? This is offensive. Thanks to Karnonnos, there is the link. So you don't have doubts. It is not about infighting and who is right, it's about having a healthy debate, use our brains, have an intellectual discussion and reveal the truth. Everything is and should be about the truth.
Being able to see the mixing, the genes etc. is part of our advancement. It is somewhat the same for a person to be able to recognise kikes. You recognise their genes.

Researches are like that, this is science and the scientific field nowadays, the funding. If the funding company wants to support hypothesis A, then the team will have to try to prove hypothesis A. If they have other results then most times the funding stops and nothing is revealed.

Anyone can continue believing whatever they want and that's fine, but the truth is always just one. I am not trying to convince you, you quoted me.

 

[ΑΡΗΣ_666]

I have never seen or heard anyone else having red hair other than white people/aryans.
Lots of kurds have this too.
I think i also have one or two red hairs in my beard.
But i don't know why this exists/where it came from, it's unique i must say.
Some white people *cough* have huge dicks as well, but that's another subject.

 

[ambiguous]

There's one point that needs to be clarified. Red hair refers to copper blonde hair. It's not a colour standing by itself. When you dye your hair, you can choose to have copper with any shade of blonde and with lighter shades of brown. Even if you mix copper into darker shades of brown and black, it will not show. It's like golden which is a

Discrimination against people with red hair has its origins in enemy programmes. You can see a few key points about this discrimination here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_people_with_red_hair. Nice to see how Wikipedia too recognises that Ramses II had red hair.

I'll CC Ol in too.

red and orange hair is the result of pheomelanin. blonde hair is the result of eumelanin (in low levels) when eumelanin is concentrated in small amounts it creates blonde hair as their is not enough of the pigment to turn the hair brown. blonde hair is not part of the pheomelanin hair color family, its part of the eumelanin based family. blonde and ginger hair have different biochemistry, blonde hair is related to brown and black hair, not red and orange hair. people assume that blonde and ginger hair are related because they reflect similar wavelengths of light, but their underlying biochemistry is verry different. red hair is caused by a light pigment in high concentrations, blonde hair is caused by a dark pigment in low concentrations. its a common mistake.

 

[Havoc]

Racal advancement is a progression of bringing luminosity and light into the soul that radiates out of the body, the more lighter the skin the more light in the soul and once once’s soul is comprised of enough light enough the body starts to introduce color.

Red hair one of the highest ascendant traits similar to being blonde, the suggestion that it is from blacks is ridiculous.

The word Devi means a being man of light so the Gods are the absolute pinnacle of this transformation.

 

[6kitty6kitty6]

Interesting topic to peruse and read upon. I, being a natural born red head, am finding it intriguing, the whole ideology of others concepts, of where redheads derived from. I have often wondered on this myself, to the point of getting a dna test lolol. Funnily enough, all I got back from my dna testing was ancestry that was derived from Germany, Ireland, Finland, Scotland, England and Wales. Not that it makes any concrete evidence or lack thereof of what this topic is about, but I would like to get a better insight into it, just out of curiousity. So, any information on where else to look this up would be appreciated. =)

 

[Emerald]

Im not a nigger. I am one of the purest Aryans, above Brunettes, but below Blondes.

When I get sunshine my hair turns blond/white. And my eyebrows are blond/White. I come from the Sea Kings. I already know this just simply from my consciousness level, and ability to enter the subtle planes. My skin is lighter than most Aryans, and same with my red hair, and green central heterochromia rh- eyes. Blue eyes are superior, but I am not to be compared with a nigger or tainted DNA (Though of course tainted from some form of impurity, perhaps ejaculation throughout generations, darkening the blond hair to turn red, and blue eyes to green)

 

[Emerald]

In fact, I look exactly like lucifer, the same phenotype and good noble high class high pedigree handsome looks, just with red hair and green eyes.