Question #96: how does one become more plutonic ?

[AskSatanOperator]

Post: is it possible for me to acquire plutonic attributes in a safe manner ? i always loved the traits of scorpio and pluto since i was a teenager ,the do or die attitude ,the determination and deep emotions i love these , i have a strong pisces influence in my chart and i hate it ,i always feel so weak and pathetic at times that i am disgusted with myself ,ive tried eihwaz ,but eihwaz only gives willpower and not the other characteristics .

 

[HPS Lydia]

Hello

Look into HP HoodedCobra's sermon, "Introspective Meditation Increasing Conscious Awareness". This helps develop depth, and helps you stick with the goals, even small daily goals, you set for yourself. It makes things more "real", rather than wishy-washy "I might do this today, or I might not..." which can be a trait of Pisces.

Doing the Mars square when Mars is in Scorpio (won't be for a while, however) can also help.

On top of meditations, do the practice in reality. Put yourself in full effort into what you do. Feel it, then strive for it. Traits come as a result of what we actually do, not just magickal workings.

I hope this was of some help.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

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Hello

Doing the Mars square when Mars is in Scorpio (won't be for a while, however) can also help.

On top of meditations, do the practice in reality. Put yourself in full effort into what you do. Feel it, then strive for it. Traits come as a result of what we actually do, not just magickal workings.

I hope this was of some help.

Right now Mars is in Scorpio. Blitzkrieg said that Mars is a stimulating, aggressive planet, so it will not help me in improving my skill at trance.

However under Mars under Scorpio section it writes that they have a talent for focus, concentration and meditation. This sounds like the key ingredient for trancing oneself since trance is a heightened state of focus.

What do you think? If I use the Mars square now with the affirmation "I am becoming adept at entering a trance. This process is happening in a happy and safe way for me", will I realize this goal?

I'm definitely going to practice void meditation to enter trances as well too but I just wanna know this. Thank you in advance.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

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Also would I have to use the spiritual or material version of the square for this goal of making it easy for me to enter a trance?

 

[RockSeed13]

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Also would I have to use the spiritual or material version of the square for this goal of making it easy for me to enter a trance?

How about using the rune Perthro???

 

[Satya]

I think you should stop reading the descriptions of Pisces on the internet and stop feeling ashamed of your sign. Those descriptions are often dramatized to make Pisces seem incompetent, drugged out, wishy-washy, artists lol.

In real life many of the Pisces (people with strong Pisces energy in their charts) that I’ve met are driven, creative, kind, and compassionate, successful. Of course this will vary from person to person.

Yes Pisces does have their shortcoming, but so does any other sign. I’m sure if you’ve hung around enough scorpios you’ll see them. They’re people too, just like you and I. They make mistakes like you and I do, such as wishing to be something or someone else. The grass isn’t always greener.

Really, we are all human beings, and self acceptance and loving yourself is important. We all have unique things to add to the table.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Right now Mars is in Scorpio. Blitzkrieg said that Mars is a stimulating, aggressive planet, so it will not help me in improving my skill at trance.

However under Mars under Scorpio section it writes that they have a talent for focus, concentration and meditation. This sounds like the key ingredient for trancing oneself since trance is a heightened state of focus.

What do you think? If I use the Mars square now with the affirmation "I am becoming adept at entering a trance. This process is happening in a happy and safe way for me", will I realize this goal?

I'm definitely going to practice void meditation to enter trances as well too but I just wanna know this. Thank you in advance.

It seems you are associating things incorrectly. People with natal Mars in Scorpio have good focus, but this does not mean doing its square will help you with trance. As JG Blitzkreig wrote, Mars will not help with trance. Trance is caused in part by the brainwaves slowing down, which is the opposite of stimulation which is what Mars does.

Void meditation does not help enter trance. Void can be done while out walking, doing chores, etc. Void has nothing to do with trance, they are different abilities.

Trance is not from focusing. I can go into a trance while daydreaming, which is not focusing. Trance is not a heightened state of focus; although it does heighten astral awareness, it's different.

Squares will not help you. In order to become adept at trancing, you need to practice trancing.

I've written tips on trance before. Affirm to yourself that trance is easy and natural, and you are able to trance at will. Make sure you have privacy, perhaps do yoga first so your body is relaxed and feeling good. Be consistent, soon you will do it.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

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It seems you are associating things incorrectly. People with natal Mars in Scorpio have good focus, but this does not mean doing its square will help you with trance. As JG Blitzkreig wrote, Mars will not help with trance. Trance is caused in part by the brainwaves slowing down, which is the opposite of stimulation which is what Mars does.

Void meditation does not help enter trance. Void can be done while out walking, doing chores, etc. Void has nothing to do with trance, they are different abilities.

Trance is not from focusing. I can go into a trance while daydreaming, which is not focusing. Trance is not a heightened state of focus; although it does heighten astral awareness, it's different.

Squares will not help you. In order to become adept at trancing, you need to practice trancing.

I've written tips on trance before. Affirm to yourself that trance is easy and natural, and you are able to trance at will. Make sure you have privacy, perhaps do yoga first so your body is relaxed and feeling good. Be consistent, soon you will do it.

Ok I was looking at this the wrong way but I still have doubts... Theta and Alpha brainwaves are associated with creativity... Sacral chakra rules creativity... So how does Mars, a stimulating and aggressive planet rule the sacral chakra? Doesn't this mean it indirectly rules theta and alpha brainwaves since they are increased during creativity??

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

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Also in the JoS void meditation page it states

Void meditation can be done with your eyes open or closed. When your eyes are open, you will more than likely see a mist around objects as you settle into a trance state. This is normal. If you choose to close your eyes, you may fall asleep, but this is an individual choice and use whatever method works best.

And I myself have fallen into trances after focusing on my breath for 1-1.5 hours

So I mean this topic is confusing.

Gamma brainwaves are associated with spiritual experiences and heightened focus just like theta waves are according to the internet. Although theta is more relaxed comparatively.

 

[Power of Justice [JG]]

affirmation "I am becoming adept at entering a trance. This process is happening in a happy and safe way for me"

In addition to JG Lydia's reply, which is 100% spot on, your affirmation is wrong.

The continuous tense that you use is not ideal at all. It suggests to your mind that this is a process, I.e. "becoming," which could be forever. You want your affirmation to be completely in the present. So instead of "becoming" which is uncertain when it's going to happen, just remove it entirely and be left with "I am adept". This is 100% certainty, now.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

affirmation "I am becoming adept at entering a trance. This process is happening in a happy and safe way for me"

In addition to JG Lydia's reply, which is 100% spot on, your affirmation is wrong.

The continuous tense that you use is not ideal at all. It suggests to your mind that this is a process, I.e. "becoming," which could be forever. You want your affirmation to be completely in the present. So instead of "becoming" which is uncertain when it's going to happen, just remove it entirely and be left with "I am adept". This is 100% certainty, now.

The problem with this is what if the energy manifests in a bad way?

There is a reason we don't say "I am rich". Because the money can come to you in a bad way.

What if I say "I am adept" and then something bad happens in my life let's say I dunno, someone gets hurt, so this gives me incredibly high motivation to enter a trance and perform healing work on them? The motivation although strong is coming in a bad way.

And I don't think its uncertain. Bltizkreig said the energy starts manifesting immediately after the working. It won't go on forever because I said "in a happy way for me" which would mean its working fast, because I want as fast results as possible.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Mars will make you jump up and run away, and start doing sports and other athletic activities. It is the opposite of a trance.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

Mars will make you jump up and run away, and start doing sports and other athletic activities. It is the opposite of a trance.

I have decided to use it to strengthen my sacral chakra. Like Henu said, because squares are the exception to the 40 day schedule... It means that its effects are permanent. So my sacral chakra will continue to strengthen forever if I affirm "My sacral chakra is growing stronger and stronger in a happy and safe way for me"

This also means I will have more fun in my life right :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[General Yeager]

Being like that is innate, from the birth. You can however try to build habits. Thatll work just as fine.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Ok I was looking at this the wrong way but I still have doubts... Theta and Alpha brainwaves are associated with creativity... Sacral chakra rules creativity... So how does Mars, a stimulating and aggressive planet rule the sacral chakra? Doesn't this mean it indirectly rules theta and alpha brainwaves since they are increased during creativity??

Nope. Just because one thing is associated with some other things, does not mean those other things are directly related. Mars rules sacral chakra, but Neptune rules creativity, so does Neptune rule sacral chakra? No. And the sacral chakra is not the only part of the soul where creativity comes from.

The soul and the body are more complex. You'll understand in time

But the bottom line for this conversation is, Mars will not help with trance. As Ol Argedco wrote, it will make you jump up and run away instead.

Also in the JoS void meditation page it states

Void meditation can be done with your eyes open or closed. When your eyes are open, you will more than likely see a mist around objects as you settle into a trance state. This is normal. If you choose to close your eyes, you may fall asleep, but this is an individual choice and use whatever method works best.

And I myself have fallen into trances after focusing on my breath for 1-1.5 hours

Yes, but that doesn't mean void itself causes trance. It certainly helps though.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

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Ok I was looking at this the wrong way but I still have doubts... Theta and Alpha brainwaves are associated with creativity... Sacral chakra rules creativity... So how does Mars, a stimulating and aggressive planet rule the sacral chakra? Doesn't this mean it indirectly rules theta and alpha brainwaves since they are increased during creativity??

Nope. Just because one thing is associated with some other things, does not mean those other things are directly related. Mars rules sacral chakra, but Neptune rules creativity, so does Neptune rule sacral chakra? No. And the sacral chakra is not the only part of the soul where creativity comes from.

The soul and the body are more complex. You'll understand in time

But the bottom line for this conversation is, Mars will not help with trance. As Ol Argedco wrote, it will make you jump up and run away instead.

Also in the JoS void meditation page it states

Void meditation can be done with your eyes open or closed. When your eyes are open, you will more than likely see a mist around objects as you settle into a trance state. This is normal. If you choose to close your eyes, you may fall asleep, but this is an individual choice and use whatever method works best.

And I myself have fallen into trances after focusing on my breath for 1-1.5 hours

Yes, but that doesn't mean void itself causes trance. It certainly helps though.

Okay. I'll just do direct practice on trance. But I guess this is good news and bad news for me. I spent like 1.5 years of void meditation to get into trance, but like you read, it took me 1.5 hours to get there so it somewhat feels like a waste. But the good news is that now I know trance is different, I'll just try more direct trancing methods instead of void meditation.

 

[The Phantom Stranger]

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Ok I was looking at this the wrong way but I still have doubts... Theta and Alpha brainwaves are associated with creativity... Sacral chakra rules creativity... So how does Mars, a stimulating and aggressive planet rule the sacral chakra? Doesn't this mean it indirectly rules theta and alpha brainwaves since they are increased during creativity??

Nope. Just because one thing is associated with some other things, does not mean those other things are directly related. Mars rules sacral chakra, but Neptune rules creativity, so does Neptune rule sacral chakra? No. And the sacral chakra is not the only part of the soul where creativity comes from.

The soul and the body are more complex. You'll understand in time

But the bottom line for this conversation is, Mars will not help with trance. As Ol Argedco wrote, it will make you jump up and run away instead.

Also in the JoS void meditation page it states

Void meditation can be done with your eyes open or closed. When your eyes are open, you will more than likely see a mist around objects as you settle into a trance state. This is normal. If you choose to close your eyes, you may fall asleep, but this is an individual choice and use whatever method works best.

And I myself have fallen into trances after focusing on my breath for 1-1.5 hours

Yes, but that doesn't mean void itself causes trance. It certainly helps though.

Also, you did say squares won't help, but like I mean, you know, if I supplement it with training it should right? Like training for a trance on one hand, and a square on the other, seems like it would work really well, complementing with each other... because I have extra time and like, perhaps a moon or jupiter square would help me alongside my training?