AskSatanOperator
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What's the problem with the problem of suffering? Supposedly, the existence of suffering proves contrary to the God of the Bible because it means that He is either impotent or not all-loving/all-good, correct? I'd argue that because the Bible holds to a hyper-conservative definition of love, we can maintain that God really is all-loving according to God's authoritative standards. Keep in mind that the apostle John when writing, "God is love," talked about judgement and afterlife the verse later as if there was nothing inconsistent with that. Most certainly he would have noticed that. Unless he was just some liar who wanted to control the masses. We also believe that there is no greater love than dying for a friend even though that's suffering (though you'd probably say that shouldn't be the greatest example of love and that suffering for someone else to show you love them isn't necessary either). I'd also argue the reason suffering and evil exists is because God desires to be glorified so He desires to both exercise justice and mercy. That's why there are both people who are going to Heaven and Hell, both evil and good in existence. Basically, suffering and evil exists because it creates more opportunities for God to be glorified. Though I'd say that doesn't mean God is the author of evil. But wait, I thought God isn't pleased with the death of the wicked and He would rather see them repent. That is true, but I don't think they are contradictory. Ezekiel says both (Ezekiel 28:22-23 and Ezekiel 33:11). Just because He isn't pleased with those deaths doesn't negate the fact that delivering justice onto them would glorify Him. Most likely you'd think it's evil that God would even create us for this purpose. Well I'd bring up that insufferable response, "by what standard?" I again repeat that a being like God would have a more authoritative moral system that would overrule yours due to power and I would assume that's the power to determine things like what's true or right. You can try to point out a contradiction in our moral system though. And to be honest, I love authoritarianism and that's probably why my question is like this. And yeah God did kill entire people groups who were detestable in His eyes and forced moral authoritarianism onto His people.
But wait doesn't that mean morality is arbitrary like the Euthyphro dilemma says? I guess according to my own words yes but I'd say that God's nature being immutable and morality being based off said nature would somewhat better the situation. Though some other Christians may disagree with me on how morality works in our framework. But I'd argue that a valid form of morality does not exist in your worldview. In my hypothetical, if all life or agents disappeared from existence, where would the self evident morality be? There is none. There is just non-living, unconscious space and matter. That matter and space wouldn't be "right" or "wrong", it would just be "there". Morality was a social construct this whole time since humanity evolved as social creatures and a moral compass helped them as a species to survive, therefore it was inherited to the next generations. Unless that isn't your worldview because I've done some digging on your site and it appears you guys are actually spiritual Satanists. Or I got my science wrong because apparently Christians are just scientifically illiterate morons who are incapable of critical thought. You know what? What even is evil? Something that negatively effects the well-being of others? Missing the mark or failure to comply with a moral standard?
But wait doesn't that mean morality is arbitrary like the Euthyphro dilemma says? I guess according to my own words yes but I'd say that God's nature being immutable and morality being based off said nature would somewhat better the situation. Though some other Christians may disagree with me on how morality works in our framework. But I'd argue that a valid form of morality does not exist in your worldview. In my hypothetical, if all life or agents disappeared from existence, where would the self evident morality be? There is none. There is just non-living, unconscious space and matter. That matter and space wouldn't be "right" or "wrong", it would just be "there". Morality was a social construct this whole time since humanity evolved as social creatures and a moral compass helped them as a species to survive, therefore it was inherited to the next generations. Unless that isn't your worldview because I've done some digging on your site and it appears you guys are actually spiritual Satanists. Or I got my science wrong because apparently Christians are just scientifically illiterate morons who are incapable of critical thought. You know what? What even is evil? Something that negatively effects the well-being of others? Missing the mark or failure to comply with a moral standard?
