Question #4889: True Penance

[AskSatanOperator]

In spiritual satanism, what is the true meaning of penance?

Like, if you have things to be truly sorry for, like killing an innocent animal, harming a child, or murdering someone in cold blood, can you still be redeemed?

Is it possible? How do the Gods handle a soul that stooped to dark places but wants to go towards the light?

 

[LoneWolf88]

This is a Christian concept. A Satanist don't beg or grovel for forgiveness, they acknowledge their error, resolve not to do it again. Yes, no matter how bad it seems, dwelling on the past doesn't help it, but make it worse, since it makes the past alive again and increases the chances that you will do any bad things again. I mean, you can see this is true when you look at Christians: they keep asking for forgiveness yet keep committing the same "sins" over and over again. So it looks like all this self-loathing and feeling bad for the past for extended periods of time is bad and doesn't correct that mistake.

And yes, a person who has acknowledged their mistake and has never done it again is accepted by the Gods.

I mean, Satanism is practical. It's not about "being accepted by external beings", but stopping these bad acts first and foremost and not doing them and possibly compensating the victims and their families that they have harmed.

So you don't need to worry about it if you have overcome them.

The people who are despised by the Gods are those who either 1)don't see something bad in these acts or 2)make excuses about them.

 

[LoneWolf88]

The people who are despised by the Gods are those who either 1)don't see something bad in these acts or 2)make excuses about them.

To explain better: It's more about your intentions and thoughts than your acts. It's not about what you do, but what you think. Not intending to harm animals and keeping this for the time being, it means you are fine. No matter what you have done in the past.

People who have done these bad things repeatedly will probably will keep having these bad thoughts and will be harder to overcome them because habits are habits. These people may say that they will not do it again, but since it's become a habit they will probably do it again, unless they somehow snap out of it. It's similar to drug addicts. These people are probably getting thrills or a high by harming people or animals, so they need to replace these with some wholesome activities that excite them like swimming or sports.

But if you have done something bad once, then there's no need to worry, because you don't have that habitual thought pattern.

So you can see in my replies I'm placing all the emphasis on how to stop doing bad things, because that's the most important thing. It's practical. If the Gods were like the Jewish god and said "well, we will continue being angry at them and these people will never be accepted by us" to people who have done bad things but are self-aware, do you think that will stop their bad behavior? Or they will just say "well, since the Gods don't accept us, I might well keep doing the bad things I'm doing, since there's nothing I can do about that"?

Of course not. That's why the Gods are pragmatic and expect us to fix anything bad we have done ourselves. They don't want groveling and feeling sorry, because that doesn't work and keeps the bad past going instead of fixing it and replacing with a good present.

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

To explain better: It's more about your intentions and thoughts than your acts. It's not about what you do, but what you think. Not intending to harm animals and keeping this for the time being, it means you are fine. No matter what you have done in the past.

People who have done these bad things repeatedly will probably will keep having these bad thoughts and will be harder to overcome them because habits are habits. These people may say that they will not do it again, but since it's become a habit they will probably do it again, unless they somehow snap out of it. It's similar to drug addicts. These people are probably getting thrills or a high by harming people or animals, so they need to replace these with some wholesome activities that excite them like swimming or sports.

But if you have done something bad once, then there's no need to worry, because you don't have that habitual thought pattern.

So you can see in my replies I'm placing all the emphasis on how to stop doing bad things, because that's the most important thing. It's practical. If the Gods were like the Jewish god and said "well, we will continue being angry at them and these people will never be accepted by us" to people who have done bad things but are self-aware, do you think that will stop their bad behavior? Or they will just say "well, since the Gods don't accept us, I might well keep doing the bad things I'm doing, since there's nothing I can do about that"?

Of course not. That's why the Gods are pragmatic and expect us to fix anything bad we have done ourselves. They don't want groveling and feeling sorry, because that doesn't work and keeps the bad past going instead of fixing it and replacing with a good present.

“”””not about what you do, but what you think”””

Would you say it’s not about what you do, but how you do it?

 

[Draconi666]

In spiritual satanism, what is the true meaning of penance?

Like, if you have things to be truly sorry for, like killing an innocent animal, harming a child, or murdering someone in cold blood, can you still be redeemed?

Is it possible? How do the Gods handle a soul that stooped to dark places but wants to go towards the light?

We don’t punish anything, nature punishes naturally everyone who are going against its rules, because life thrives on rules, not on disorder.

Soul to be free, needs cleaning, correcting itself, advancing, growing, doing favours for Gods, and fighting enemy.

By the time everything becomes fixed, and one is free again.

 

[Draconi666]

We don’t punish anything, nature punishes naturally everyone who are going against its rules, because life thrives on rules, not on disorder.

Soul to be free, needs cleaning, correcting itself, advancing, growing, doing favours for Gods, and fighting enemy.

By the time everything becomes fixed, and one is free again.

not advancing would be real punishment, because this way one will just dissipate into nothingness.

If one is on the path, everything can be corrected and cleaned.

if one did something horribly wrong, they would be punished if they don’t want to reward themselves with fruits of growth.

There is no punishment if one is willing to grow and help Gods.

If one is not willing to grow, then this is punishment by default and it is not because one did something wrong, because mistakes makes us learn and grow.

But because they are choose to not reward themselves in learning from their mistakes.

 

[NetemPtah]

Penance is worthless.
Your spiritual progress, the purification of your karma, the vindication of your conscience will be the true redemption.

 

[LoneWolf88]

“”””not about what you do, but what you think”””

Would you say it’s not about what you do, but how you do it?

No, it's about what your intention. Back in the 1950's a scientist connected some electrodes to a hydrangea plant and recorded its reactions. Then one time he decided to burn it and as he went to it the readings went haywire. Others tried to replicate his experiment without any success so he told hem: "did you actually intend to burn the plant? no? then it's not surprising nothing happened". He himself only had replicated this only one time when a young man in his demonstration really hated the plant.

Something similar happens with the Gods and everything else in nature. When you intend to do something bad at that time, it's when you send these bad vibes and the Gods pick it up. It's as if you have harmed somebody before it happens.