On Suffering: A Conversation

[BlackOnyx8 [JG]]

Saturn gave me these hardness in a specific way for years. I was not an SS but understood where I go wrong and how can I be better.

I am of the opinion that Saturn teaches you by force through suffering. The same cannot be said perhaps with a hard aspect of Neptune on your ruler or Ascendant, which makes you completely lose your bearings, making you depressed for no specific reason. Correct me if I'm wrong, I'm speaking considering only my personal experience.

That is correct. I experienced both things you describe. I have suffered much in my life and my spirit was broke several times to the point that I almost lost it. But if you do tap into what Saturn is trying to teach you, you can then tame both Saturn and Neptune. Speaking from experience here. I have Neptune conjuct my ascendant which is ruled by Saturn. It was not fun. But I got out of it. The suffering did indeed made me stronger. But regardless, we must always strive for healthier and more effective ways to build strength. Specially so that we don't end up in the suffering again.

 

[Dahaarkan]

I myself have family who never helped their offspring and made them pay rent once they were done high school,

My gosh, stuff like this would appear on TV if it happened here in Italy, it's unheard of.

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Why is it wrong to stay with family?

As some might know I left everything behind me and moved out of my country, and while I don't regret it I wish I could be closer to my own family. And even then all the money I'm making I am putting into assets back home so I can go back.

I've noticed there's this trend in society to push young people to leave their families to live on their own. I know guys who are working shit jobs and being paid pathetic salaries and continue to work in these places just so they aren't judged by others.


I didn't leave my family's place until I found something worthwhile to do. And the youth shouldn't be pressured to take on shit underpaid jobs just so they can leave their family behind in my opinion. Parents also shouldn't force their kids to work shit jobs just to get rid of them. The minimum salary in most places isn't enough to cover even basic human needs.

This is only pushed on the working class, by the way. You look at the wealthy class and you'll see tight and united family units most of the time.

 

[Blackdragon666]

The thing with suffering is that it is inevitable more or less. You have a wonderful civilization thriving, some reptilian scum creatures come and impose a spiritual dystopia and everything goes south. Or a natural calamity happens.

While the above are large scale and not so common, what I mean is that the universe works in the way of the strongest to survive make it farthest because there are many hostilities. Suffering comes in different forms and intensities. Sometimes even indirectly. You fall deeply in love with someone but they don't even breathe your way. People have killed themselves from the pain of unrequited love or rejection. Here, just loving someone was the cause of one's ordeal.

Suffering is a compulsory part of life. So the question is, are you going to succumb when it comes or figure your way around it? The wise thing to do here is to learn from your negative experiences and gain wisdom and experience no matter how bad it is. The universe doesn't really care about your emotional well-being or mental health, otherwise we'd be living in Disneyland.

There are no absolute laws like 'suffering is absolutely evil or absolutely necessary', it's really all about you and what you do when you go through it.

If you have lived in poverty all your life, obviously it will leave scars. No matter how damaged you are, are you going to just stay there and feel sorry for yourself? You might as well start healing the wounds and do copious spiritual workings and work on the physical to ensure you never go back to that hole in this lifetime or another. Some will whine about how eternally broken they are but you'll have used your negative experiences to propel you to lasting financial heights.

HPHC summed it up well. What you do in suffering or in periods of bliss is what makes the difference, it's not about suffering never happening ever.

The universe is hostile. Accept it, do protection workings to keep yourself safe and if tough times come, do whatever you can to get through and keep moving forward. Even the Gods go through problems, though in a different way than us. They lost a planet, for instance. Have you ever watched a loved one suffer? That sucks and hurts too. The Gods have watched us suffer at the hands of the enemy for thousands of years. The universe is a hostile place and you can't expect not to experience suffering in some way. Hence the need to know how to cope with it and overcome it when it comes. It is also an undeniable fact that this is one of the ways endurance is built.

If we start talking about how unfair extreme suffering is, we might as well sit down with the reptilians and ask them to tone down the evil. Obviously this is ridiculous and the best we can do is fight back and work to heal the wounds. It actually doesn't matter what you go through, you can always bounce back especially when you have spiritual knowledge. Reincarnation also helps with forgetting traumas so the mind can be able to advance with relative ease.

The point of the above is, the right conversation is not on how certain degrees of suffering are too bad, but how one can overcome or at least survive to heal another day. Because if you're not strong enough, you will be consumed by the forces of destruction at hand. Many of the extremely damaged people you see around would be much better humans if they practiced our teachings for a few decades. The enemy has taken away Spiritual knowledge which has made suffering pointless and just that, pointless suffering. Wounds are not healed because the knowledge is missing but we will change this.

Lastly, just as suffering is inevitable, so is bliss and good times, in general. Especially when people don't put some reptilian crap in their souls or something like that.

 

[Blackdragon666]

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So "Third World" is just another misdirection created by the enemy to have us hold sympathy for the "refugees" they pour into our countries, when really we shouldn't be handing any time to these foreigners at all. What do criminals have to be rescued from their country for other than to avoid punishment and continue causing upheaval?

Jews are freakishly good at misdirection games. Just makes me wonder what they haven't screwed around with at this point.

Yes and for charities to rake in billions of dollars that barely go to help anyone in third world countries, but rather end up in jewish and other greedy Gentiles' pockets.

Also, by virtue of astrology and people working to build wealth, not everyone will be poor in a third world country. In a city like Nairobi there are suburbs that rival the finest places in first world countries.

 

[HPS Lydia]

My gosh, stuff like this would appear on TV if it happened here in Italy, it's unheard of.

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

My gosh, stuff like this would appear on TV if it happened here in Italy, it's unheard of.

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Why is it wrong to stay with family?

As some might know I left everything behind me and moved out of my country, and while I don't regret it I wish I could be closer to my own family. And even then all the money I'm making I am putting into assets back home so I can go back.

I've noticed there's this trend in society to push young people to leave their families to live on their own. I know guys who are working shit jobs and being paid pathetic salaries and continue to work in these places just so they aren't judged by others.

I didn't leave my family's place until I found something worthwhile to do. And the youth shouldn't be pressured to take on shit underpaid jobs just so they can leave their family behind in my opinion. Parents also shouldn't force their kids to work shit jobs just to get rid of them. The minimum salary in most places isn't enough to cover even basic human needs.

This is only pushed on the working class, by the way. You look at the wealthy class and you'll see tight and united family units most of the time.

It's as you say. IMO, that is a wrong thing to do. It was a meme in America and how it was justified is based on what I wrote above.

If it works out financially, you can start learning how to be on your own. But if not, then it can be a disaster. The cases where each of these paths would work is relative, not absolute.

 

[Jrvan]

Different people have different connotations with words.

Some people see suffering as learning things the hard way and learning lessons in life, working hard to build things of lasting value, building strength and resilience, not having rich parents who pay their way through everything in life, starting from the bottom in life and working their way up, gaining valuable life experience and strengthening their character, exercising to improve the body and health. <--- Good suffering

Some people see it as only the negative, such as being repeatedly molested and beaten as a child, never having enough food to eat, and only other terrible things that can break a person. <--- Bad suffering, to be avoided and prevented at all costs

Most people don't care about the dictionary definition of words which has always frustrated me. If we are going to speak the same language as a group of people then we should all agree on the meanings of words. Otherwise it just leads to endless confusion and misunderstandings ad infinitum. This is why I passionately resent and rebel against the currently spoken manifestation of the English language in society. People ought to know better, or at least take the time to check their chosen words to see if the meaning is really what they intend to say.
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That is impossible. The fact that we can all speak English, still I am thankful for, however. The fact it's a universal language, is a very good thing. People can understand one another. It's kind of easy to learn too. But it's very difficult to really have a common ground of communication that is 100% the same without becoming a literal philologist.

So long people understand one another, that's the whole aim. It also pays one back metaphorically to speak simply.

While I disagree with the general idea that it's impossible, seeing as how languages such as Latin and Sanskrit remain un-bastardized with their original integrity and meaning/essence of words, I suspect you meant that English is too far gone to restore across the board so we have to make do with what we have. Even that is a hard thing for me to hear, but I see the truth in what you say. I'm just quite stubborn about it, but I suppose it's time for me to finally accept that the last century isn't coming back. The days when people were raised with proper English vocabulary and there was consensus, they are long gone. People just don't care anymore. This creates infinite opportunities for people to misunderstand each other which frustrates me terribly, but I admit that we can't do anything about it. Me being me, I prefer to do all I can to avoid misunderstandings in the first place, but clearing them up after is just as well albeit extremely... annoying. Is what it is *sigh*

I've voiced my purist heart's laments.

 

[Stormblood]

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

In my case, my father literally gave me 3 days after high school. I moved out the same day he said that, and didn't speak to him for over 1 year.

 

[Aquarius]

Cultural differences.

In the US, that is rather normal, as many people kick their kids out in the world's most developed economy [this was true in the previous decades] to find their own way. In the previous phases of the US economy, if you didn't live on your own while you could, you was probably just lazy. And this had actual facts in itself. But now the US economy and job market is not the same as in the 90's.

In the EU this would be considered a death sentence or the worst family relations. Because the economy was not like the American one. If you kick a person out in the EU, this could only work in the Northern countries, and you more than likely will have a child that will be hungry. In the EU you can also always return home, which is the reason many 40 year old NEET's do not activate themselves to live.

On the other side, in the US, if you kick your children out in an unsafe city after life has beaten them hard, there might not even be a safety net.

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

It's a totally jewish sponsored culture in my opinion. Young people are gonna be thrown into a world in which they are gonna get devoured by debt and will always be financial slaves. It's a good way to ruin someone's life.

 

[Stormblood]

Very true. In my case, I don't think my parents would do anything if I were to stay neeting for years, but I'm better than that lol

This is definitely not the time to kick your kids out though, as you said.

Asian families thrive because they stick together, they work for eachother and don't move out, good way to accumulate riches.

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

It's a totally jewish sponsored culture in my opinion. Young people are gonna be thrown into a world in which they are gonna get devoured by debt and will always be financial slaves. It's a good way to ruin someone's life.

A good alternative in this times would be making them take over responsibilities at home, if they don't have them already. Some people have never done any laundry, washing up, ironing, or even grocery shopping before moving out, which is completely retarded. These are things people that should already be taught when someone is 6 years-old or something like, and time spent doing show grow and grow until, when you are 12-14, you do an equal amount of chores as the rest of your family does.

In later times, we should look to reinstate clans. And clans should own houses they can give the newer generations, and offer an escape from the extremely extortionate prices of sales and leases. However, these houses shouldn't be handed out just cause. The new generations should show they are responsible enough to own a house, so they should have property management skills so as not to turn it into a pigsty like many so called 'adults' do upon leaving their parent's nest (especially males). Pigsties invite pests and decay, which ruin properties from the inside out.

If a member of the new generation is not deemed responsible/mature enough, they should keep living with their family until they are, and be casted out if they sink into excessive degeneration out of idleness.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Most people don't care about the dictionary definition of words which has always frustrated me. If we are going to speak the same language as a group of people then we should all agree on the meanings of words. Otherwise it just leads to endless confusion and misunderstandings ad infinitum. This is why I passionately resent and rebel against the currently spoken manifestation of the English language in society. People ought to know better, or at least take the time to check their chosen words to see if the meaning is really what they intend to say.
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That is impossible. The fact that we can all speak English, still I am thankful for, however. The fact it's a universal language, is a very good thing. People can understand one another. It's kind of easy to learn too. But it's very difficult to really have a common ground of communication that is 100% the same without becoming a literal philologist.

So long people understand one another, that's the whole aim. It also pays one back metaphorically to speak simply.

While I disagree with the general idea that it's impossible, seeing as how languages such as Latin and Sanskrit remain un-bastardized with their original integrity and meaning/essence of words, I suspect you meant that English is too far gone to restore across the board so we have to make do with what we have. Even that is a hard thing for me to hear, but I see the truth in what you say. I'm just quite stubborn about it, but I suppose it's time for me to finally accept that the last century isn't coming back. The days when people were raised with proper English vocabulary and there was consensus, they are long gone. People just don't care anymore. This creates infinite opportunities for people to misunderstand each other which frustrates me terribly, but I admit that we can't do anything about it. Me being me, I prefer to do all I can to avoid misunderstandings in the first place, but clearing them up after is just as well albeit extremely... annoying. Is what it is *sigh*

I've voiced my purist heart's laments.

Well maybe impossible is the wrong word, but for the time being, that would be really difficult to achieve. For one, I think in the future we must change or have two global languages.

English is simple and the proof that it's a good language for everyday use by all people, is that everyone in the globe can use it. Anything like this would work for a language of mere communication. Languages like Latin who are compressed and simple, can work in this regard.

Philosophically or spiritually, in this order, I would think the best languages for understanding the soul would be Ancient Greek [not modern], Ancient Egyptian [language must be fully restored, almost impossible to learn with all it's hidden connotations that have been (((lost in translation)))] or Sanskrit [as a last resort]. Either of the three would work.

Spiritual advancement allows for easier transferring of meaning. That can really help when it comes to misunderstandings between human beings in general. But for the general level of communication to rise, a mix of language and telepathic communication becoming more "common", ie, the average level of spirituality rising in the world, would be necessitated.

I think everyone who understands the value of communication would indeed feel extreme thirst to have a more applicable language to all these tasks. Even English is very rich, yet it requires studying and understanding to use it properly.

 

[Jrvan]

That is impossible. The fact that we can all speak English, still I am thankful for, however. The fact it's a universal language, is a very good thing. People can understand one another. It's kind of easy to learn too. But it's very difficult to really have a common ground of communication that is 100% the same without becoming a literal philologist.

So long people understand one another, that's the whole aim. It also pays one back metaphorically to speak simply.

While I disagree with the general idea that it's impossible, seeing as how languages such as Latin and Sanskrit remain un-bastardized with their original integrity and meaning/essence of words, I suspect you meant that English is too far gone to restore across the board so we have to make do with what we have. Even that is a hard thing for me to hear, but I see the truth in what you say. I'm just quite stubborn about it, but I suppose it's time for me to finally accept that the last century isn't coming back. The days when people were raised with proper English vocabulary and there was consensus, they are long gone. People just don't care anymore. This creates infinite opportunities for people to misunderstand each other which frustrates me terribly, but I admit that we can't do anything about it. Me being me, I prefer to do all I can to avoid misunderstandings in the first place, but clearing them up after is just as well albeit extremely... annoying. Is what it is *sigh*

I've voiced my purist heart's laments.

Well maybe impossible is the wrong word, but for the time being, that would be really difficult to achieve. For one, I think in the future we must change or have two global languages.

English is simple and the proof that it's a good language for everyday use by all people, is that everyone in the globe can use it. Anything like this would work for a language of mere communication. Languages like Latin who are compressed and simple, can work in this regard.

Philosophically or spiritually, in this order, I would think the best languages for understanding the soul would be Ancient Greek [not modern], Ancient Egyptian [language must be fully restored, almost impossible to learn with all it's hidden connotations that have been (((lost in translation)))] or Sanskrit [as a last resort]. Either of the three would work.

Spiritual advancement allows for easier transferring of meaning. That can really help when it comes to misunderstandings between human beings in general. But for the general level of communication to rise, a mix of language and telepathic communication becoming more "common", ie, the average level of spirituality rising in the world, would be necessitated.

I think everyone who understands the value of communication would indeed feel extreme thirst to have a more applicable language to all these tasks. Even English is very rich, yet it requires studying and understanding to use it properly.

100% agreed, and thank you for elaborating as well as confirming my intuitive suspicions about trying to learn Egyptian. I personally would be overjoyed if Latin made a full comeback in the future. From the introductory studying of Latin grammar I have done so far, I get the feeling it would be harder to be mistaken. It just seems more direct than English in my opinion, but I still need to study further. I have begun to believe that there is a good and kosher reason for why people always insist that Latin is a dead language. I don't think jews want people learning and speaking Latin en masse.

 

[Jrvan]

Cultural differences is correct. In America and Canada, it is considered something wrong with someone who is not living on their own or with housemates by age 19 or so, mentally or otherwise incapable of taking control of their own lives. They call it "freeloading" off of the parents. Parents might give you a year after high school to get your act together and move out, but you might have to pay rent in the meanwhile to your parents. And if you're in college then you're in the dormitories on campus. It's fucked up, but most families are like that.

It's a totally jewish sponsored culture in my opinion. Young people are gonna be thrown into a world in which they are gonna get devoured by debt and will always be financial slaves. It's a good way to ruin someone's life.

A good alternative in this times would be making them take over responsibilities at home, if they don't have them already. Some people have never done any laundry, washing up, ironing, or even grocery shopping before moving out, which is completely retarded. These are things people that should already be taught when someone is 6 years-old or something like, and time spent doing show grow and grow until, when you are 12-14, you do an equal amount of chores as the rest of your family does.

In later times, we should look to reinstate clans. And clans should own houses they can give the newer generations, and offer an escape from the extremely extortionate prices of sales and leases. However, these houses shouldn't be handed out just cause. The new generations should show they are responsible enough to own a house, so they should have property management skills so as not to turn it into a pigsty like many so called 'adults' do upon leaving their parent's nest (especially males). Pigsties invite pests and decay, which ruin properties from the inside out.

If a member of the new generation is not deemed responsible/mature enough, they should keep living with their family until they are, and be casted out if they sink into excessive degeneration out of idleness.

You're right, Stormblood. I spoke recently somewhere about how I believe the youth of today need a sense of purpose, but in the interest of keeping my point straight and concise, I neglected to mention this very thing as well even though it's vital. They need to be given more responsibility. There are a lot of parents who don't take the time to direct their children, and are content to let them watch tv and slack off. Honestly what did they think was going to be the outcome of that? They have raised a generation of people who can barely even take care of themselves, or even their belongings as you said.

It's like Jordan Peterson's meme, "clean your room." If you can't even clean your room then you won't be able to accomplish anything in life because you can't even perform the most basic necessary things for daily living/maintenance.

So in sum: the lazy youth need a sense of purpose, and more responsibility. That's my opinion.

By the way, clans sounds like a really great idea and I hope that happens in the more immediate future rather than later. I think it might just save a lot of people's lives by banding together like that. Hopefully they have the instinct to keep it racially homogeneous.

 

[Stormblood]

It's a totally jewish sponsored culture in my opinion. Young people are gonna be thrown into a world in which they are gonna get devoured by debt and will always be financial slaves. It's a good way to ruin someone's life.

A good alternative in this times would be making them take over responsibilities at home, if they don't have them already. Some people have never done any laundry, washing up, ironing, or even grocery shopping before moving out, which is completely retarded. These are things people that should already be taught when someone is 6 years-old or something like, and time spent doing show grow and grow until, when you are 12-14, you do an equal amount of chores as the rest of your family does.

In later times, we should look to reinstate clans. And clans should own houses they can give the newer generations, and offer an escape from the extremely extortionate prices of sales and leases. However, these houses shouldn't be handed out just cause. The new generations should show they are responsible enough to own a house, so they should have property management skills so as not to turn it into a pigsty like many so called 'adults' do upon leaving their parent's nest (especially males). Pigsties invite pests and decay, which ruin properties from the inside out.

If a member of the new generation is not deemed responsible/mature enough, they should keep living with their family until they are, and be casted out if they sink into excessive degeneration out of idleness.

You're right, Stormblood. I spoke recently somewhere about how I believe the youth of today need a sense of purpose, but in the interest of keeping my point straight and concise, I neglected to mention this very thing as well even though it's vital. They need to be given more responsibility. There are a lot of parents who don't take the time to direct their children, and are content to let them watch tv and slack off. Honestly what did they think was going to be the outcome of that? They have raised a generation of people who can barely even take care of themselves, or even their belongings as you said.

It's like Jordan Peterson's meme, "clean your room." If you can't even clean your room then you won't be able to accomplish anything in life because you can't even perform the most basic necessary things for daily living/maintenance.

So in sum: the lazy youth need a sense of purpose, and more responsibility. That's my opinion.

By the way, clans sounds like a really great idea and I hope that happens in the more immediate future rather than later. I think it might just save a lot of people's lives by banding together like that. Hopefully they have the instinct to keep it racially homogeneous.

I had terrible experiences with house-sharing at times. One of these times, I had to share with a complete slob who left the dishes in the kitchen sink for weeks. It's not like he had that much to do either, given he would listen to loud music at least 3 nights a week from around 10pm to around 7am, playing fifa and shouting 'pussy' at his online friends, also otherwise speaking loudly. Never cleaning any of the shared areas, taking out the rubbish or replacing the rubbish bag. In 51 weeks... No surprise we often had cockroaches and ants because of the smell of his dishes. The rest we kept clean ourselves. This guy was 18-19 years-old.

Another was back when I used to smoke cigarettes. Similar to the aforementioned person in terms of dish-washing and cleaning shared areas. He would only think of cleaning when we suggested hiring a weekly cleaner for the bathroom: he would volunteer for the money. Otherwise, he would stay in his room playing videogames all the time, smoking pot and often annoying me to give him my cigarettes when he finished his. Laundry left in the washing machine for days, obviously stinking afterward.

I remember already when I was in high school my stepmother wouldn't let me leave the house if my bedroom wasn't clean and tidy. And I had to dust it every single day. Sorry for the rant lol

I wonder if in the future we'll have clans based on occupation and sects based on spiritual methods. That's a great prospect, in my opinion.

 

[Jrvan]

A good alternative in this times would be making them take over responsibilities at home, if they don't have them already. Some people have never done any laundry, washing up, ironing, or even grocery shopping before moving out, which is completely retarded. These are things people that should already be taught when someone is 6 years-old or something like, and time spent doing show grow and grow until, when you are 12-14, you do an equal amount of chores as the rest of your family does.

In later times, we should look to reinstate clans. And clans should own houses they can give the newer generations, and offer an escape from the extremely extortionate prices of sales and leases. However, these houses shouldn't be handed out just cause. The new generations should show they are responsible enough to own a house, so they should have property management skills so as not to turn it into a pigsty like many so called 'adults' do upon leaving their parent's nest (especially males). Pigsties invite pests and decay, which ruin properties from the inside out.

If a member of the new generation is not deemed responsible/mature enough, they should keep living with their family until they are, and be casted out if they sink into excessive degeneration out of idleness.

You're right, Stormblood. I spoke recently somewhere about how I believe the youth of today need a sense of purpose, but in the interest of keeping my point straight and concise, I neglected to mention this very thing as well even though it's vital. They need to be given more responsibility. There are a lot of parents who don't take the time to direct their children, and are content to let them watch tv and slack off. Honestly what did they think was going to be the outcome of that? They have raised a generation of people who can barely even take care of themselves, or even their belongings as you said.

It's like Jordan Peterson's meme, "clean your room." If you can't even clean your room then you won't be able to accomplish anything in life because you can't even perform the most basic necessary things for daily living/maintenance.

So in sum: the lazy youth need a sense of purpose, and more responsibility. That's my opinion.

By the way, clans sounds like a really great idea and I hope that happens in the more immediate future rather than later. I think it might just save a lot of people's lives by banding together like that. Hopefully they have the instinct to keep it racially homogeneous.

I had terrible experiences with house-sharing at times. One of these times, I had to share with a complete slob who left the dishes in the kitchen sink for weeks. It's not like he had that much to do either, given he would listen to loud music at least 3 nights a week from around 10pm to around 7am, playing fifa and shouting 'pussy' at his online friends, also otherwise speaking loudly. Never cleaning any of the shared areas, taking out the rubbish or replacing the rubbish bag. In 51 weeks... No surprise we often had cockroaches and ants because of the smell of his dishes. The rest we kept clean ourselves. This guy was 18-19 years-old.

Another was back when I used to smoke cigarettes. Similar to the aforementioned person in terms of dish-washing and cleaning shared areas. He would only think of cleaning when we suggested hiring a weekly cleaner for the bathroom: he would volunteer for the money. Otherwise, he would stay in his room playing videogames all the time, smoking pot and often annoying me to give him my cigarettes when he finished his. Laundry left in the washing machine for days, obviously stinking afterward.

I remember already when I was in high school my stepmother wouldn't let me leave the house if my bedroom wasn't clean and tidy. And I had to dust it every single day. Sorry for the rant lol

I wonder if in the future we'll have clans based on occupation and sects based on spiritual methods. That's a great prospect, in my opinion.

I hope your living conditions are better these days. That sounds awful.

If clans happen then I suppose the direction it goes might depend on the needs and goals of the people making it up. At least at first it would probably be very pragmatic/survival based before evolving into the higher purposes. It's like... first you have to get a project off the ground before declaring a mission statement, you know? People would have to first pitch in together to acquire land.
Unless the vision was established and agreed upon in a group setting from the start, but that would take a lot of imagination, and imagination of a very practical nature grounded in experience and knowledge. Not just lofty fantasies. Everyone would also need to have consensus in that case, unanimous agreement on the future planned. Probably easier for it all to happen organically rather than being pre-planned. It would be less challenging I think to get people to agree on a list of iron clad community rules/laws that bind them together than a planned common destination so to say.

Sects based on spiritual knowledge... I wonder if they couldn't already easily achieve that in certain Asian localities where they possess occult knowledge and practice witchcraft. Maybe they already have for all we know. Coven owned neighborhoods. How cool would that be?

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding how distant a future you have in mind. I hope I'm not treading on your ideas or anything. I'm just musing really, and attempting to picture it for my own sake. I bet you know more about this sort of thing than I do.