On MGTOW

[Nameless One]

Some people are claiming MGTOW is "a normal reaction to feminism":

I don't see any problem this is just normal reaction to the emergence of 3rd wave feminism there are no sources cause jews wouldn't be behind this only in feminism so i guess in a way it is them behind it because they create the feminist problem in the first place but not founding mgtow or any other such movement

From what I have researched on the MGTOW phenomenon, it's anything but normal. It's basically men who had very few experiences with bad women and are saying things like "normal relations with women are impossible because the female nature is so bad, and society has made marriage a bad deal for men, so it's better to just masturbate and watch porn and work to create sex robots and artificial wombs to replace women so that we don't depend on them for our sexual needs. Just stop focusing on women, cut women entirely out of your life, avoid talking to women as much as possible (some say that even casual sex with them isn't worth it, because they might falsely accuse you of rape or sexual assault for silly reasons) and start doing things that you like such as play video games."

Sounds a totally normal reaction, right? Lol. It's based on the same idea as feminism, which claims that men by nature are bad or damaged and they need to be controlled or punished to behave normally. The same thing MGTOW claim about women, that the female nature is to be capricious, untrustworthy, slutty, have multiple sexual partners, betray men and run after men who abuse them. Both also claim that the world is either run or caters to the opposite sex and is bad/unfair for them: feminists say that there's a patriarchy that oppresses women, MGTOW say there's gynocentrism even in men and they simp/cater to women more than support their fellow men.

At least, if the MGTOW said "ok, stop chasing women, do something productive instead that can help humanity" it wouldn't be that bad. But they don't do anything productive, they play video games, watch porn and be as degenerate as possible.

Strange how the MGTOW thing plays right into the jewish agenda of depopulation, degeneracy and destroying the families of the gentiles though. Almost as if it's some sort of controlled opposition...

And yes, there are more appropriate reactions to feminism that don't play into the jewish agenda. Such as Traditionalism or restoring the pre-Christian view of family and relationships between sexes.

 

[HailVictory88]

As someone who regrettably wasted time during years of browsing mgtow-esque sites, it is poison. They mix small bits of truth with garbage, and a lot of the people involved are genuinely mentally unwell. They say they are going their own way and don't care about women, then spend inordinate amounts of time online discussing women. The time I wasted on those sites made it harder to move past my xian brainwashing regarding women and set me back.

Of course normies telling people "just be yourself" is also unhelpful, it would be nice if people pursued a broader understanding than the normie insinuation that any man who is lonely is just an obese bum with cheeto dust on his fingers. Personally I now believe that some men are just meant to be alone so they can focus on helping the world in different ways. Now that I have overcome much of the programming I had on the issue, I like women and am aware that they make the world a much more tasteful, interesting, dynamic place. But that doesn't make the chronic social rejection I have had vanish. I believe this may be a sign that I am meant to remain alone and dedicate my extra time to solving important problems the world faces. But perhaps this is delusion as well, I am not sure. Sorry, I don't mean to distract from your post, just wanted to provide my two cents on the issue. To bring it back, yes, mgtow is a jewish weapon used to destroy the family and human relations. If you want success in life, physical fitness, money, etc., it is much, much better to spend time reading and applying the knowledge on the JoS then some mgtow forum.

 

[Henu the Great]

The following post seems to be more in-depth and accurate about the subject: https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=403193#p403193

The next part of the manosphere that I will briefly describe is MGTOW. This is a complicated one. MGTOW was authentic and organic "movement" that has been around for years, at least 10=5 or more years. It was not started by jews. However, very early on, there were a few racial jews that got into MGTOW. One of them is TFM, or Turd Flinging Monkey. Yes, I know about these people, I know who they are in terms of their online personalities, I am not ignorant or naive of the bigger picture.

Most people don't even know what the actual and original purpose of MGTOW was. Nowadays, like any "movement," once an idea starts gaining traction, a massive amount of degenerates swoop in, start using the lingo, and starting veering off in all kinds of nonsensical directions. This certainly happened to MGTOW.

Most people, including many men who identify as MGTOWs nowadays, think that the enemy of MGTOW are feminists. This is flatly untrue. The real enemy of MGTOW is the US Government. The original point of MGTOW was to save men the trouble of getting "divorce-raped" (their terminology) due to getting married, then getting divorced, and losing all their money and getting in massive debt. There is nothing stopping women from just divorcing a man and forcing him to pay them lots of money for the rest of their lives. A common saying in MGTOW is "the juice ain't worth the squeeze."

 

[Shadowcat]

MGTOW is just as jewish as feminism. One of the books they go by was written by a jewish bitch who basically bashes women in the most hebrew way possible and these simpletons believe it simply because ((( a woman herself))) said so.

Another jewish endevor that has two sides to a shekel. Anything and everything to get gentiles to disconnect and to stop forming any meaningful bonds. Hate the men and women of your own tribe oooyy veyyyy.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Anybody who hates women is a loser. Anybody who hates men is a loser. I don't care which one became a loser first.

 

[Jrvan]

MGTOW and Feminism both start with the assumption that the low dimension behaviors and degeneracy they observe in large portions of humanity is default human nature. It's essentially defeatism and surrendering to an idea that humans are inherently flawed rather than being in the spiritually fallen state of total ignorance. On higher dimensions where beings are spiritual, this low level petty monkey business doesn't occur.

When humans become spiritual again, these low level behaviors in society will diminish and occur much less often. In the meantime, they need to become aware at least of the basic fact that it's stupid to hate an entire gender. Gender wars are retarded, and they all should have moved past that phase after kindergarten.

 

[AryanPriest666]

In my observations, MGTOW (generally speaking) is just grown men finally finding out for themselves what female nature is and responding to it for better or for worse. Men these days are not taught the truth about male and female nature and it's only gotten worse since I was a child. If your childhood was anything like mine, you were fed nothing but lies about women and given ZERO dating advice or advice about how to interact with women in a way that is healthy or successful. In fact, I was conditioned to be the exact kind of women that TURNS WOMEN OFF... and it's taken a lot of work on my part to deprogram from all that crap.

MGTOW is a natural response for men who are coming to grips with the reality of intersexual dynamics and need some time to "go their own way" which is necessary to process information, heal and regroup. Ideally it's a phase and men come through it with a more enlightened view of themselves, the opposite sex and how to approach them. Then again, "going monk" isn't a wrong choice, it's simply a personal one.

I view MGTOW as a destination to travel through. I visit occasionally, ask the locals questions, see what's going on then leave with what is useful. But some seem to have chosen to build permanent encampments there, which in my view is not healthy. Then again, it's that level of involvement that some men need in order to learn certain lessons.

The biggest danger of MGTOW is getting trapped in resentment and feelings of inadequacy and powerlessness.

The biggest pro of MGTOW is in liberating yourself from the need to be loved or accepted by others and learning to be the source of love in your life (as weird as that sounds). This can also lead to healthier relationships of all kinds.

 

[Nameless One]

In my observations, MGTOW (generally speaking) is just grown men finally finding out for themselves what female nature is and responding to it for better or for worse.

That's not female nature they find out, only some dysfunctional women they had bad experiences with, just like feminists do the same with men. I think it also has to do with their personality: some men have inner conditioning (probably an abusive mother) so they attracted to bad/crazy women and they think all women are exactly like their ex-girlfriends.

I've posted it in another thread: if you want less bad experiences, just avoid women with cluster-B personality disorders (narcissistic, histrionic or borderline).

Also to mods/admins: please remove my previous account as I can't log in to it any more. Thanks.

 

[Shadowcat]

In my observations, MGTOW (generally speaking) is just grown men finally finding out for themselves what female nature is and responding to it for better or for worse. Men these days are not taught the truth about male and female nature and it's only gotten worse since I was a child. If your childhood was anything like mine, you were fed nothing but lies about women and given ZERO dating advice or advice about how to interact with women in a way that is healthy or successful. In fact, I was conditioned to be the exact kind of women that TURNS WOMEN OFF... and it's taken a lot of work on my part to deprogram from all that crap.

MGTOW is a natural response for men who are coming to grips with the reality of intersexual dynamics and need some time to "go their own way" which is necessary to process information, heal and regroup. Ideally it's a phase and men come through it with a more enlightened view of themselves, the opposite sex and how to approach them. Then again, "going monk" isn't a wrong choice, it's simply a personal one.

I view MGTOW as a destination to travel through. I visit occasionally, ask the locals questions, see what's going on then leave with what is useful. But some seem to have chosen to build permanent encampments there, which in my view is not healthy. Then again, it's that level of involvement that some men need in order to learn certain lessons.

The biggest danger of MGTOW is getting trapped in resentment and feelings of inadequacy and powerlessness.

The biggest pro of MGTOW is in liberating yourself from the need to be loved or accepted by others and learning to be the source of love in your life (as weird as that sounds). This can also lead to healthier relationships of all kinds.

I will just leave this here for you. https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=388236#p388236 look at the link in my post there..

Do consider deprogramming yourself from enemy filth.

 

[AryanPriest666]

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I will just leave this here for you. https://www.ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?p=388236#p388236 look at the link in my post there..

Do consider deprogramming yourself from enemy filth.

I'm not at all surprised that MGTOW is a kike-led movement, nor the greater manosphere in general. They definitely prey on sad, desperate, lonely men.

I'm sure it was some penny-pinching oven-dodger that came up with the concept of "cooties" as well. Remember when you were little and "girls have cooties!"? Pretty kiked idea, tbh.

 

[xlnt]

Something which is a bit sneaky about MGTOW is the name.
Going one's own way is something I always strive for myself - to pursue my dreams and live my life, but it surely has nothing to do with hating women or seeing them as bad/evil etc.
Because that's surely not my way of going in life. Would certainly not be here if that was the case.

In Taoism there is a saying that "yang exists on the outside to protect yin".
That movement should rather be called MGTWW (men going the wrong way).

 

[Nameless One]

Something which is a bit sneaky about MGTOW is the name.
Going one's own way is something I always strive for myself - to pursue my dreams and live my life, but it surely has nothing to do with hating women or seeing them as bad/evil etc.
Because that's surely not my way of going in life. Would certainly not be here if that was the case.

In Taoism there is a saying that "yang exists on the outside to protect yin".
That movement should rather be called MGTWW (men going the wrong way).

Lol, most of them aren't even going their own way. They are totally focused on and talk about women. Most online MGTOW communities almost exclusively talk about women: how evil they are, make fun of them, e.t.c. Which is why I said if those people focused on something to improve themselves and humanity instead of their exclusive focus on women, they wouldn't be bad at all. There are a few men calling themselves MGTOW who don't talk about women but focus on doing things to improve their lives. But sadly, these are the minority.

In history there were a lot of men like Nikola Tesla, Leonardo da Vinci and others who focused on inventing, building or creating things and were never married nor cared much about women. Modern MGTOW claim they are the same as those men, but they do nothing of that sort as they did. They only whine about women 24/7 and care more about watching porn and playing video games instead of working on something useful.

 

[Yurei]

History has shown us that only 40% of all men that have ever existed have ever reproduced. This phenomenon is not new.
With this in mind, in my view, I think MGTOW is just about men seeking happiness without women through things like self improvement, travelling, etc. Because not every man is going to find a partner, they need other ways to find fulfillment.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

History has shown us that only 40% of all men that have ever existed have ever reproduced. This phenomenon is not new.
With this in mind, in my view, I think MGTOW is just about men seeking happiness without women through things like self improvement, travelling, etc. Because not every man is going to find a partner, they need other ways to find fulfillment.

Low quality men should not reproduce, for the health and safety of the future generations.

If you are in this category and you do not want to be, improve yourself and become a high quality man.