Morality and delusions

[Eatingjoy]

Here. I see you speak of virtues and serving gods. Satan among the first.


I am unsure where I stand on this. All my morals and virtues are based purely on my own self-interest. There are abstract concepts, such as tribalism and rivaling religions that vie for power, but this is simply the nature of things. I hold no universal principles, nor do I care in the slightest about ‘correcting’ the world. I am here to align with it.


Religions like Christianity create a slave mind. One designed to be exploited by the powerful.

• Islam is a robber band built around forced ignorance.
• Judaism despises the laws of existence. The natural limitations placed upon them, such as male and female, or the consequences of their own actions. They confuse themselves when they subjugate or injure another creature, only to recoil in surprise when it resists. This rejection of nature and reality makes them despised by everything else simply for existing.
• Buddhism builds its entire framework around escaping existence—rejecting suffering rather than overcoming it.

I, however, want whatever is. The isness itself. I look at nature and see the truth:

• The lion eats the gazelle. It must become stronger because only strength allows it to continue hunting.
• A tree nourishes itself by absorbing nutrients from the ground. It does not share out of ‘brotherhood’ unless it must, because those that give away too much become weaker than those that take as much as they can. Some trees erase others from existence simply by being near them.

This is existence. There is no universal morality or law. We adapt to our surroundings, as we have done for eternity. Those who reject this reality. Who pretend existence is something else. Only torture themselves.


It does not change because of belief. It is what it is. It always has been. And it always will be.

This is what creates besuty as well. The self correcting indifferent reality that perpetuate itself because of how it works.

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

Do 'whatever you want' like this and you will come up against things written into the universe that prove otherwise. There are different levels of adaptation. You give birth to a child, then you cook and eat it like some abo shitting on the floor... where does this get you ultimately? This is in line with the low tiers of nature but it leads to nothing beyond that. It has led to nothing. If you can type on a computer, your ancestors were certainly going beyond that and frankly weren't even 'created' like that.

There are states that declared war on all their neighbors endlessly and used their neighbors as a source for copious amounts of human sacrifices. There is no balance in this and for all the brutality exhibited, 'warrior states' to this extreme can crumple like a house of cards within a few weeks.

We are not lions or gazelles. The way actual humans express these factors like brutality and destruction are different. The highest sacrament is creation.

However, that said, most westerners these days went in the total other direction, express little brutality or destruction beyond doing it to themselves or racial kindred, they have no desire to expand or project power, which is guaranteed to lead to both the death of any creative faculty and death for any individual being or collective. If you are not vigilant in wanting to stamp the world and to see yourself in it, you die. This is where the Nietzschean viewpoint is completely fundamentally correct.

Christianity is not about 'being exploited by the powerful', underpinning it is resentment against the powerful for existing whatsoever. It is a hatred against not just the natural world but the higher realms of nature, which ironically condemns some of its fervent adherents to the lowest sphere of nature where, UNLIKE EVEN AN ANIMAL, they cease to reincarnate.

 

[Eatingjoy]

Do 'whatever you want' like this and you will come up against things written into the universe that prove otherwise. There are different levels of adaptation. You give birth to a child, then you cook and eat it like some abo shitting on the floor... where does this get you ultimately? This is in line with the low tiers of nature but it leads to nothing beyond that. It has led to nothing. If you can type on a computer, your ancestors were certainly going beyond that and frankly weren't even 'created' like that.

There are states that declared war on all their neighbors endlessly and used their neighbors as a source for copious amounts of human sacrifices. There is no balance in this and for all the brutality exhibited, 'warrior states' to this extreme can crumple like a house of cards within a few weeks.

We are not lions or gazelles. The way actual humans express these factors like brutality and destruction are different. The highest sacrament is creation.

However, that said, most westerners these days went in the total other direction, express little brutality or destruction beyond doing it to themselves or racial kindred, they have no desire to expand or project power, which is guaranteed to lead to both the death of any creative faculty and death for any individual being or collective. If you are not vigilant in wanting to stamp the world and to see yourself in it, you die. This is where the Nietzschean viewpoint is completely fundamentally correct.

Christianity is not about 'being exploited by the powerful', underpinning it is resentment against the powerful for existing whatsoever. It is a hatred against not just the natural world but the higher realms of nature, which ironically condemns some of its fervent adherents to the lowest sphere of nature where, UNLIKE EVEN AN ANIMAL, they cease to reincarnate.

You acknowledge that power must be asserted or it will be lost. You recognize that the West’s rejection of brutality leads to decay. You understand that Christianity does not just serve weakness, it sanctifies it. Here, we are aligned.


But where we differ is in this assumption of higher sacraments. As if power must be justified beyond its own function. The warrior state that collapses in weeks does so not because it is too brutal, but because it is unrefined, unstructured, unaligned with reality. The lion does not chase every gazelle. It moves with precision. The predator that kills without strategy dies just as fast as the prey that does not flee.

You say we are not gazelles, or lions. Then I will tell you what.
The predator-prey dynamic Still applies.
A corporation consumes a weaker business just as a lion devours a weaker prey.

A nation crushes a weaker rival just as a wolf pack eliminates competitors for territory.

A charismatic leader manipulates and drains his followers just as a parasite feeds on a host.

The mechanisms remain the same. Only the methods change.

To say "we are not animals" is an illusion. Human nature is just animal instinct evolved into higher complexity. (Higher realm).

Civilization Is Just a More Complex Jungle
Weak men convince themselves they are above nature.

Strong men see the laws of nature operating beneath every system.

Nature does not disappear. It merely disguises itself.


A slave still submits. He just calls it «morality.»
A king still conquers. He just calls it «governance.»
A parasite still feeds. He just calls it «philanthropy.»

Power is not merely brutality, nor merely creation. It is the fusion of both. The greatest creations are forged in struggle, just as the hardest steel is tempered in fire. The fractal of existence expands through structured force, not wild chaos.


So yes, to impose oneself upon the world is the path forward. The true higher law would be about aligning with power itself. If a state collapses, it is because it was weak in design, not because it was too strong in execution. Strength, to be enduring, must spiral outward in refinement. Not burn itself out in a single explosion.

Then you see why Christianity exists in the first place. It was not created to empower its followers. It was crafted by those who rule over them.


By following it, you relinquish power to their order, instead of being the master of your own. The very hatred you describe is what ensures their servitude.
Yes, it is unnatural. It is a denial of what is.
But what separates it from Judaism, which is also unnatural, is universalism.


Judaism is still tribal. It serves the collective power of its people.
Christianity does not. It demands that its followers “love thy enemy” and “give to those who take from you.”
One strengthens its own. The other weakens its own.


That is why I say they are slaves

 

[Satans Son]

This is existence. There is no universal morality or law. We adapt to our surroundings, as we have done for eternity. Those who reject this reality. Who pretend existence is something else. Only torture themselves.

 

[Satans Son]

Your perceptions are your own I guess.
Your definition of existence and claims about morality and law will have to stay with you as well.
The purpose of spirituality is awareness of the self and soul with with an inclination of advancement rooted in the foundation of reincarnation.
It takes more thought than simple observations of the surrounding environments.
My tortures ended where my spirituality began.
Troubles and all, it's a beautiful day in a beautiful life of a beautiful existence.
And while ascension is believed to be the final goal, it's my preference to remain in the human form in the conditions that are Earth for hundreds of years to come.
If this is torture I'll take it.
Good luck with your directions.

 

[nema]

You acknowledge that power must be asserted or it will be lost. You recognize that the West’s rejection of brutality leads to decay. You understand that Christianity does not just serve weakness, it sanctifies it. Here, we are aligned.


But where we differ is in this assumption of higher sacraments. As if power must be justified beyond its own function. The warrior state that collapses in weeks does so not because it is too brutal, but because it is unrefined, unstructured, unaligned with reality. The lion does not chase every gazelle. It moves with precision. The predator that kills without strategy dies just as fast as the prey that does not flee.

You say we are not gazelles, or lions. Then I will tell you what.
The predator-prey dynamic Still applies.
A corporation consumes a weaker business just as a lion devours a weaker prey.

A nation crushes a weaker rival just as a wolf pack eliminates competitors for territory.

A charismatic leader manipulates and drains his followers just as a parasite feeds on a host.

The mechanisms remain the same. Only the methods change.

To say "we are not animals" is an illusion. Human nature is just animal instinct evolved into higher complexity. (Higher realm).

Civilization Is Just a More Complex Jungle
Weak men convince themselves they are above nature.

Strong men see the laws of nature operating beneath every system.

Nature does not disappear. It merely disguises itself.


A slave still submits. He just calls it «morality.»
A king still conquers. He just calls it «governance.»
A parasite still feeds. He just calls it «philanthropy.»

Power is not merely brutality, nor merely creation. It is the fusion of both. The greatest creations are forged in struggle, just as the hardest steel is tempered in fire. The fractal of existence expands through structured force, not wild chaos.


So yes, to impose oneself upon the world is the path forward. The true higher law would be about aligning with power itself. If a state collapses, it is because it was weak in design, not because it was too strong in execution. Strength, to be enduring, must spiral outward in refinement. Not burn itself out in a single explosion.

Then you see why Christianity exists in the first place. It was not created to empower its followers. It was crafted by those who rule over them.


By following it, you relinquish power to their order, instead of being the master of your own. The very hatred you describe is what ensures their servitude.
Yes, it is unnatural. It is a denial of what is.
But what separates it from Judaism, which is also unnatural, is universalism.


Judaism is still tribal. It serves the collective power of its people.
Christianity does not. It demands that its followers “love thy enemy” and “give to those who take from you.”
One strengthens its own. The other weakens its own.


That is why I say they are slaves

I agree. Maybe it's not Ideal, but that's the way It is.. i used to be blind to it, now wherever i look i just see a power game. Couples who wants to drain each other, parents who castrates their children out of jealousy, "friends" who would beat each other to be the Alpha. Personally i reserve my "moral code" to my own.. i would never lie to/ cheat with, let alone attack a Satanist. I truly don't care about other people..