Let's just be Civil bro

[Jack]

I was thinking about this subject where we argue on the forums and it turns pretty dirty very soon with members calling each other names, maybe someone will even call others jews simply for disagreeing with them. I'm certainly not averse to this and I apologize to anyone who I might have attacked personally in the heat of the moment.

The thing is you debate with your ideas. Each one of us should have an ideology where we're mentally advancing. If someone finds flaws in our thinking and points it out to us, we should be happy as we can now strengthen the argument further or discard it for better ones. Just because you're wrong, doesn't make you stupid or bad as a person. It makes the idea stupid or bad. We aren't all 100% logical and we make a lot of mistakes in our life. If you look back to years before there might be certain moments to which you look at and go ,"Bro why did I do that ? It's so stupid. I should have done x instead of y." Humans make mistakes and learning from mistakes is called evolution. You should hold onto your beliefs until you are clearly disproven in your arguments. Then it's time for you to change them.

Theres also the thing of something might be good for you but bad for others. People interpret reality through their emotions and projections and we don't have a perfect logical brain. If we did, everyone would reach the same conclusion like w robot. But thankfully we as humans have chaos in our ideological diversity and thinking which makes interactions so much more fun.

So let's not take it personally and get along regardlessofour disagreements. Let's take it Constructively instead and check our arguments for faults. If it doesn't have faults, we should point that out to the other side and check their arguments. On a side note, arguments about culture are generally not going to reach a conclusion because people will not reach common ground here. Many of us are coming at it with completely different frames out mind. We have feminists who will fanatically defend the liberal system and try to then put the blame on the system as well, paradoxically. But we don't have a comprehensive list of the things we can't or can culturally allow. Its all for personal choice. If we try to come up with something, the closest we can reach is NS Germany. But many people will argue that that's not going to be applicable currently for a variety of reasons. I disagree, but I understand where they are coming from. The point is let's put our positions but let's not attack someone for disagreeing with us. Let's all be civil here.

 

[SouthernWhiteGentile]

Most of the disagreements I’ve had with people were dumb and mostly childish I can admit.

Some here like you said are still leftist/feminist types that didn’t like what I or someone else had to say about some thing or some people, too bad. I will always be myself, many can’t say that.

If I am hated for being real and than so be it. This one of the primary and most important traits of an Aryan, standing up for what you believe in and what’s right, and never being afraid to speak your mind.

You think Hitler or even Satan gave a fuck what the enemy or their peers thought? They did what they knew was right and what was best for them and their people no matter the cost or hardship.

If you are reading this and we’ve had a fight before than I will apologize if I haven’t personally to you already. This is Satan’s house and we all have a seat here, wether some like that or not.

 

[EasternFireLion666]

Well said Jack. I concur.

 

[JoS Forum Contributions]

Jack can you change your avatar to something not an allied propaganda picture.

 

[Gearshift]

Understandable. But...think a bit what HP.Cobra said a short while back this year(2020).

Vent.....Venting.

People have a want AND need to vent. It's one of the reasons things have gotten hostile in recent times. Sure at a certain point there is a difference between venting and wanton destruction. So the negative gives in to more extreme.

But I think in the end even those will learn their lesson and move on to be better.

Again it's why these posts are approved.

Good job member: Jack, at making this post. I'm not the only one who's seen some others posts and even your own posts be popped by other members. You yourself incite some stuff but non the less at least you have a break in your vehicle. Some of the newer members or some people who are out of touch might be pedal to the metal and not breaking but going extreme.

Anyways I think like I said in the end it's just better to get it out in the open and then comes the learning phase.

(Note: I'm not trying to disrespect you, heck I can't say I feel like I replied negatively to your posts, but non the less this isn't another "pop you" post rather I respect your desire for some more civility).

I'm certain in the future and as more or newer people come in, there will be more "pop" posts from venting. Again it's not evil or anything just at least we try and slow down with gentle breaking like driving. It's not always speedracer down the track.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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I think one critical fact that some may overlook is that even if you are right in your argument, if you are putting so much pressure on the other person and you aren't allowing them to save face, they will reject everything you said, even if it appears irrational. You have to give people an out, you have to let things relax. Some people will generate such a strong insult or opinion that it is impossible for the other person to agree without appearing like a bitch or stupid or something. You can see this in real life where it seems that one person can get so mad that it is like they aren't satisfied unless the other person commits suicide for their mistakes. This type of anger/presentation is only going to generate fear and hostility at who it is directed at.

If you want someone to agree with you, you have to structure what you say in friendly terms. I see people all the time that post with the best intentions. I know they want the other person to grow and learn, but they mix in insults where they really didn't need to and the end result is just a fight.

 

[Sunny]

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I think one critical fact that some may overlook is that even if you are right in your argument, if you are putting so much pressure on the other person and you aren't allowing them to save face, they will reject everything you said, even if it appears irrational. You have to give people an out, you have to let things relax. Some people will generate such a strong insult or opinion that it is impossible for the other person to agree without appearing like a bitch or stupid or something. You can see this in real life where it seems that one person can get so mad that it is like they aren't satisfied unless the other person commits suicide for their mistakes. This type of anger/presentation is only going to generate fear and hostility at who it is directed at.

If you want someone to agree with you, you have to structure what you say in friendly terms. I see people all the time that post with the best intentions. I know they want the other person to grow and learn, but they mix in insults where they really didn't need to and the end result is just a fight.

I agree, arrogance is not only counterproductive but above all unbearable. It is necessary to be polite and to express oneself freely, because this is a free place to learn and grow.

 

[Jack]

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I think one critical fact that some may overlook is that even if you are right in your argument, if you are putting so much pressure on the other person and you aren't allowing them to save face, they will reject everything you said, even if it appears irrational. You have to give people an out, you have to let things relax. Some people will generate such a strong insult or opinion that it is impossible for the other person to agree without appearing like a bitch or stupid or something. You can see this in real life where it seems that one person can get so mad that it is like they aren't satisfied unless the other person commits suicide for their mistakes. This type of anger/presentation is only going to generate fear and hostility at who it is directed at.

If you want someone to agree with you, you have to structure what you say in friendly terms. I see people all the time that post with the best intentions. I know they want the other person to grow and learn, but they mix in insults where they really didn't need to and the end result is just a fight.

Very true and a good point

 

[Jack]

Jack can you change your avatar to something not an allied propaganda picture.

I thought it was pretty funny lol. I'd be waiting for "The last Jew on Earth" picture, if you get my drift.

 

[Jack]

Jack can you change your avatar to something not an allied propaganda picture.

Off-topic, what do you think about affirmations for spiritual squares ? Required or unnecessary ?

 

[Usthepeople666]

Understandable. But...think a bit what HP.Cobra said a short while back this year(2020).

Vent.....Venting.

People have a want AND need to vent. It's one of the reasons things have gotten hostile in recent times. Sure at a certain point there is a difference between venting and wanton destruction. So the negative gives in to more extreme.

But I think in the end even those will learn their lesson and move on to be better.

Again it's why these posts are approved.

Good job member: Jack, at making this post. I'm not the only one who's seen some others posts and even your own posts be popped by other members. You yourself incite some stuff but non the less at least you have a break in your vehicle. Some of the newer members or some people who are out of touch might be pedal to the metal and not breaking but going extreme.

Anyways I think like I said in the end it's just better to get it out in the open and then comes the learning phase.

(Note: I'm not trying to disrespect you, heck I can't say I feel like I replied negatively to your posts, but non the less this isn't another "pop you" post rather I respect your desire for some more civility).

I'm certain in the future and as more or newer people come in, there will be more "pop" posts from venting. Again it's not evil or anything just at least we try and slow down with gentle breaking like driving. It's not always speedracer down the track.

I kind of agree with this too. With people doing so many RTRs and cleaning etc , a lot of stuff maybe to quickly is getting accumalted, where people would just like to vent all day and night.
But like its said about being Civil. But one cant really vent out that way , and even good intention posts can appear so wrong if the person who is reading it perceives it wrongly.
Blue light meditation does help with calming ourselves and also recently I have been trying the Slothz approach to everything in life, and it does make thing appear a bit better, not perfect though.

Sometimes it can feel like pointing someone out etc can have some huge benefit but really it doesnt. Its still the Internet and we cant be sure about anything or anyone.

Plus I feel lots of people are falling into enemy tactics, me included that causes such fights or the kind of need of " TRUTH" coming out when its all just really there .

P.s. Jack your new avatar is awesome. I was surprised tbh.

 

[Jack]

Understandable. But...think a bit what HP.Cobra said a short while back this year(2020).

Vent.....Venting.

People have a want AND need to vent. It's one of the reasons things have gotten hostile in recent times. Sure at a certain point there is a difference between venting and wanton destruction. So the negative gives in to more extreme.

But I think in the end even those will learn their lesson and move on to be better.

Again it's why these posts are approved.

Good job member: Jack, at making this post. I'm not the only one who's seen some others posts and even your own posts be popped by other members. You yourself incite some stuff but non the less at least you have a break in your vehicle. Some of the newer members or some people who are out of touch might be pedal to the metal and not breaking but going extreme.

Anyways I think like I said in the end it's just better to get it out in the open and then comes the learning phase.

(Note: I'm not trying to disrespect you, heck I can't say I feel like I replied negatively to your posts, but non the less this isn't another "pop you" post rather I respect your desire for some more civility).

I'm certain in the future and as more or newer people come in, there will be more "pop" posts from venting. Again it's not evil or anything just at least we try and slow down with gentle breaking like driving. It's not always speedracer down the track.

He was talking about that in context of Whites venting about unjust treatment they've had from other people like blacks or jews. He wasn't talking about randomly venting on unrelated topics.

 

[Dahaarkan]

[If you want someone to agree with you, you have to structure what you say in friendly terms. I see people all the time that post with the best intentions. I know they want the other person to grow and learn, but they mix in insults where they really didn't need to and the end result is just a fight.

The issue is people becoming attached to the personas they play here. It reaches the point where I feel many people post not because they actually feel like they have something to say but just to build up and maintain their "image".

I always structure any criticism in a civil fashion but I absolutely cannot stand people who refuse to admit they are wrong even when it's plainly obvious they did/said something that is objectively wrong, simply to preserve their image on an anonymous forum.


So really the best to do with these types is insult them with the best fire you can come up with. Destroy their imaginary persona and the "image" they so desperately need for validation. Maybe after they drop it then you can have genuine conversations with a real person, instead of a guy playing a character who is always right, even when they are wrong.

 

[13th_Wolf]

But thankfully we as humans have chaos in our ideological diversity and thinking which makes interactions so much more fun.

That's a brilliant way of putting it. I'd say that is the essence of what we even call fun, that creeping joy of chaos confronting the unknown, as opposed to fear of the unknown.

Beliefs like you said, are a mutable thing they are supposed to come and go and be traded with other ones. It's like Mageson also said about philosophy within the universities one time, that they just trade their ideas with one another and that's all that is achieved because they don't have any concrete foundation of actually virtuous experience, only their dreams that they repeat to themselves and write out in class. The only experience they have is sat down writing away while others are actually dealing with the cardinal level of existence which is the truest learning. To think is one thing, but to act on your thoughts is another.

I agree with you about Hitler, but I think certain places are going to be bloody and at eachother's throats over it regardless. People are over-emotional, don't want to be 'proved wrong' even when in the long scheme it's in their own interest, racial or otherwise. The internet will always linger with the true knowledge and as the decade goes onwards, the confusion people are experiencing and the lack of any clear-cut culture trend, will surely manifest in some extreme way. A lot of people even in the non-axis nations don't hate Hitler, they're open to change. When the leftists see that the NS essentially were the biggest leftists ever and Hitler was probably the only biggest historical figure they even have (for real left wing socialism- the government truly helping out the folk) then with many millions of discussions over time, they should also be open to change- at least the non-insane people which are around the 90% mark of them. Nevermind that the entire of Western conventions and the general observation of society is both overtly and covertly founded on the NS' values. When the US and France had revolutions, in the next century all the other Western countries started acting like them even if they pretended to hate them. After Napoleon, in the 1900's many were also following along his line of military and political doctrine, and he still had prestige. Western society which currently "hates Hitler" is so likewise to Hitler's lines and vision it's hilarious.

Like people who were pretending to hate Hitler at the same time also lauded the "superior blonde hair" thing and felt proud of it? The world is truly backwards and also forwards, the world where the old Brits and Stalin whom absolutely everyone can learn endorsed child labour, are being paraded while Hitler literally ended it. The entire 'All-American' 1950's picket fence meme dream started in Germany too.