How To Handle "Late Bloomer" Aspect?

[BlackSnake]

Greetings,

While studying astrology, I saw that this person has his Sun doing sextile aspect to his waning moon and the chart ruler is retrograde.
I saw on AA that "For those born during a waning Moon, and especially if the chart ruler/s and/or more than three planets are retrograde, success will come later in the life. The person is a late bloomer."

This leads me to a question. How do you sublimate these energies? That is, let's say this person discovers Spiritual Satanism and Astrology and sees these aspects, what should he or she do?

The thing I thought is that the term "late" is rather relative, Hugh Jackman himself for example has the sun doing trine aspect (works the same way) to his waning moon (in this case the chart ruler is not retrograde, but his co-ruler is), became really famous at like 32 years old with the X-Men series.

But let's say someone wants to experience things relatively earlier in life (like in the case of a waxing moon, with few or no planets retrograde)? Should one work with the energies of the (retrograde) chart-ruler? Or of the Moon? Maybe a Square? Or better a freeing working with a focus on the dilemma?

What are your thoughts?

 

[Karnonnos [JG]]

Late generally means around 30 to 50 in Astrological terms, not 60 or 80 (though a few people do have that type of extreme late bloomer aspect, usually with heavy influence of Saturn).

If the soul is empowered enough to handle this, a Freeing the Soul working with the provided affirmations by HPS Maxine works well enough for this, but one also has to develop their skills, work hard, network, and so on.

Earth element, fire element, the Sun and Saturn (once one has the appropriate level of protection and burned out enough shit karma to work with Saturn safely) work to combat this, It doesn't just come automatically. The Moon here would help with emotional problems related to this or past life blockages. Self-hypnosis is also a massive help here.

Generally though I really don't advocate using 'magick personality surgery' to force yourself into being a very early bloomer in another existence. This comes with its own problems, some of these can be catastrophic. Just look at how many celebrities and sports stars are shoved into the limelight when practically fetuses and end up completely messed up. Blooming later can give some wisdom and practicality to the personality, as well as inbuilt resistance to others malignant influences, that these people often miss out on.

But if being a late bloomer means missing out totally on sex or affection, independence from parents, the ability to work... if it means zero freedom from distractions such as low-level mental problems for years and foregoing anything basic for survival because of being like a child, then this is a sign of something pretty bad and needs rectification before one gets sucked into stasis and stupid ideas.

 

[BlackSnake]

Thank you for taking some of your time to share your thoughts on this.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There is nothing wrong with this type of life, it actually is often a very good thing.

You can't try to use spells to absolutely turn your astrology into something completely different, or it will not end well. There was a guy years ago who tried to forcefully change everything about his astrology, and he made himself become completely insane from all of the opposite conflicting energies.

You can use tools to improve your life, or to make things work in a better way and remove small problems. But I don't think it's a good idea to try to change everything, especially when things are not problems.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

There is nothing wrong with this type of life, it actually is often a very good thing.

You can't try to use spells to absolutely turn your astrology into something completely different, or it will not end well. There was a guy years ago who tried to forcefully change everything about his astrology, and he made himself become completely insane from all of the opposite conflicting energies.

You can use tools to improve your life, or to make things work in a better way and remove small problems. But I don't think it's a good idea to try to change everything, especially when things are not problems.

Trying to change your being and your personality is a mistake, what you can do is to sublimate your natal chart, remove karmic blockages, attenuate negative aspects and strengthen the positive ones.

 

[AFODO]

Trying to change your being and your personality is a mistake, what you can do is to sublimate your natal chart, remove karmic blockages, attenuate negative aspects and strengthen the positive ones.

You can change your personality. Even general advancement can improve someone's personality, but mostly balancing your elements out. Removing negative karma can also significantly help improve personality.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

...

There is nothing wrong with this type of life, it actually is often a very good thing.

You can't try to use spells to absolutely turn your astrology into something completely different, or it will not end well. There was a guy years ago who tried to forcefully change everything about his astrology, and he made himself become completely insane from all of the opposite conflicting energies.

You can use tools to improve your life, or to make things work in a better way and remove small problems. But I don't think it's a good idea to try to change everything, especially when things are not problems.

Trying to change your being and your personality is a mistake, what you can do is to sublimate your natal chart, remove karmic blockages, attenuate negative aspects and strengthen the positive ones.

Doing work on the soul will change your personality, and will change your astrology, too. This is not inherently bad.

There is a big difference between positive transformation and negative ones. Out of self-hatred, people can affirm things to destroy even their existing positive qualities, and this is what will lead to problems. For this reason, everything should also be affirmed as positive, and this positivity should be viewed as an objective quality of reality, not just what a person is comfortable with.

However, in general, people should not fear doing work upon themselves. Going totally crazy is not likely and is the fault of the methodology itself, rather than just the act of trying to change yourself.

As far as OP's question about late blooming, you can certainly take healthy steps to change this. Not having success at a certain time, due to a retrograde planet or other karma, should be viewed as a problem that can be addressed.

There are positives to all aspects, but this should not be taken to mean that nothing should be done about them. In the case of a retrograde planet, work can be done with the planetary mantra to strengthen the influence of the planet, in a fully positive way, so that success comes sooner, rather than waiting.

We should respect our karma and not become panicked and attempt dangerous solutions, but that doesn't mean we are bound to wait 10 years for certain aspects of success. If it is important, then steps should be taken to correct this.

The bigger problem is mainly that impracticality of totally redoing your chart, which will take lots of time. This can be done safely, however, but it is very likely that someone who wants to do this suffers from problems of self-hatred and impracticality, or other negative beliefs which can cause desperation.

However, all SS should be doing work on all of their soul at some point in time, based on what their life path is, and what the Gods suggest to them. This includes all the natal planets and chakras.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

Generally though I really don't advocate using 'magick personality surgery' to force yourself into being a very early bloomer in another existence. This comes with its own problems, some of these can be catastrophic. Just look at how many celebrities and sports stars are shoved into the limelight when practically fetuses and end up completely messed up. Blooming later can give some wisdom and practicality to the personality, as well as inbuilt resistance to others malignant influences, that these people often miss out on.

As always, transformations and workings should be viewed as positively, which is often violated by people who attempt to do drastic change. When this programming is violated, then negative events occur (beyond just basic backlash).

I understand your point about patience, but I am not sure if these celebrities are good examples, just because the difference between their life and that of an SS is too different. This is also different from taking steps to improve one's sense of patience and practicality.

We would hope that age would bring wisdom, but I don't believe this is always the case. That is why I am more quick to judge the state of the soul itself, and to advise people to take spiritual steps sooner, rather than later. Done safely, there should be no concerns about catastrophe or anything like this.

 

[BlackSnake]

" post_id=458318 time=1691959501 user_id=21286]

As far as OP's question about late blooming, you can certainly take healthy steps to change this. Not having success at a certain time, due to a retrograde planet or other karma, should be viewed as a problem that can be addressed.

We should respect our karma and not become panicked and attempt dangerous solutions, but that doesn't mean we are bound to wait 10 years for certain aspects of success. If it is important, then steps should be taken to correct this.

This is what I had in mind. Let's say a person learns about spirituality and astrology very early, let's say 18 years old, sees this aspect and as Karnonnos points out to us the term "late" in astrology could be as late as 50 years old. Now, supporting Blitzkreig's argument, I don't think being tied for example to a stressful 9-5 for half one's life is an unchangeable destiny. Sure, maybe one could still study, inform oneself, advance spiritually in the meantime but whether you want to or not you will remain tied to this 9-5 until the effect of this aspect manifests itself, unless something is done about it.

 

[Wotanwarrior]

" post_id=458318 time=1691959501 user_id=21286]

...

There is nothing wrong with this type of life, it actually is often a very good thing.

You can't try to use spells to absolutely turn your astrology into something completely different, or it will not end well. There was a guy years ago who tried to forcefully change everything about his astrology, and he made himself become completely insane from all of the opposite conflicting energies.

You can use tools to improve your life, or to make things work in a better way and remove small problems. But I don't think it's a good idea to try to change everything, especially when things are not problems.

Trying to change your being and your personality is a mistake, what you can do is to sublimate your natal chart, remove karmic blockages, attenuate negative aspects and strengthen the positive ones.

Doing work on the soul will change your personality, and will change your astrology, too. This is not inherently bad.

There is a big difference between positive transformation and negative ones. Out of self-hatred, people can affirm things to destroy even their existing positive qualities, and this is what will lead to problems. For this reason, everything should also be affirmed as positive, and this positivity should be viewed as an objective quality of reality, not just what a person is comfortable with.

However, in general, people should not fear doing work upon themselves. Going totally crazy is not likely and is the fault of the methodology itself, rather than just the act of trying to change yourself.

As far as OP's question about late blooming, you can certainly take healthy steps to change this. Not having success at a certain time, due to a retrograde planet or other karma, should be viewed as a problem that can be addressed.

There are positives to all aspects, but this should not be taken to mean that nothing should be done about them. In the case of a retrograde planet, work can be done with the planetary mantra to strengthen the influence of the planet, in a fully positive way, so that success comes sooner, rather than waiting.

We should respect our karma and not become panicked and attempt dangerous solutions, but that doesn't mean we are bound to wait 10 years for certain aspects of success. If it is important, then steps should be taken to correct this.

The bigger problem is mainly that impracticality of totally redoing your chart, which will take lots of time. This can be done safely, however, but it is very likely that someone who wants to do this suffers from problems of self-hatred and impracticality, or other negative beliefs which can cause desperation.

However, all SS should be doing work on all of their soul at some point in time, based on what their life path is, and what the Gods suggest to them. This includes all the natal planets and chakras.

I am already working on the project of sublimating and changing my natal chart, the main problem is that I started as SS after a certain age and until 2 years ago I did not start working on it, so many negative aspects and delays that make me a late bloomer had already manifested.

 

[Epiphany]

Greetings,

While studying astrology, I saw that this person has his Sun doing sextile aspect to his waning moon and the chart ruler is retrograde.
I saw on AA that "For those born during a waning Moon, and especially if the chart ruler/s and/or more than three planets are retrograde, success will come later in the life. The person is a late bloomer."

This leads me to a question. How do you sublimate these energies? That is, let's say this person discovers Spiritual Satanism and Astrology and sees these aspects, what should he or she do?

The thing I thought is that the term "late" is rather relative, Hugh Jackman himself for example has the sun doing trine aspect (works the same way) to his waning moon (in this case the chart ruler is not retrograde, but his co-ruler is), became really famous at like 32 years old with the X-Men series.

But let's say someone wants to experience things relatively earlier in life (like in the case of a waxing moon, with few or no planets retrograde)? Should one work with the energies of the (retrograde) chart-ruler? Or of the Moon? Maybe a Square? Or better a freeing working with a focus on the dilemma?

What are your thoughts?

I don't know, I just live with it. What I've read is that late bloomers only begin coming into their own after around age 28-30(the first saturn return). At this point it doesn't make sense to invest energy in interfering with it since I'm close to the "maturation" of my chart anyway.

I think this feature of a chart must be karmic and fated and adds to the diversity of our species. When I had an SS read my chart, the late bloomer features weren't worded as a problem to be rectified, it was stated matter of factly.

Although alot of the "late bloomer" features of my chart were distressing early on in life, I'm pretty much at peace with them now, I've accepted them as a fact of life. You just learn to work around it.

" post_id=458318 time=1691959501 user_id=21286]

...

Trying to change your being and your personality is a mistake, what you can do is to sublimate your natal chart, remove karmic blockages, attenuate negative aspects and strengthen the positive ones.

Doing work on the soul will change your personality, and will change your astrology, too. This is not inherently bad.

There is a big difference between positive transformation and negative ones. Out of self-hatred, people can affirm things to destroy even their existing positive qualities, and this is what will lead to problems. For this reason, everything should also be affirmed as positive, and this positivity should be viewed as an objective quality of reality, not just what a person is comfortable with.

However, in general, people should not fear doing work upon themselves. Going totally crazy is not likely and is the fault of the methodology itself, rather than just the act of trying to change yourself.

As far as OP's question about late blooming, you can certainly take healthy steps to change this. Not having success at a certain time, due to a retrograde planet or other karma, should be viewed as a problem that can be addressed.

There are positives to all aspects, but this should not be taken to mean that nothing should be done about them. In the case of a retrograde planet, work can be done with the planetary mantra to strengthen the influence of the planet, in a fully positive way, so that success comes sooner, rather than waiting.

We should respect our karma and not become panicked and attempt dangerous solutions, but that doesn't mean we are bound to wait 10 years for certain aspects of success. If it is important, then steps should be taken to correct this.

The bigger problem is mainly that impracticality of totally redoing your chart, which will take lots of time. This can be done safely, however, but it is very likely that someone who wants to do this suffers from problems of self-hatred and impracticality, or other negative beliefs which can cause desperation.

However, all SS should be doing work on all of their soul at some point in time, based on what their life path is, and what the Gods suggest to them. This includes all the natal planets and chakras.

I am already working on the project of sublimating and changing my natal chart, the main problem is that I started as SS after a certain age and until 2 years ago I did not start working on it, so many negative aspects and delays that make me a late bloomer had already manifested.

I once wanted to completely change my chart, I saw it as the source of all my problems. I thought if only I had a different chart, or if only I were someone else, then life would be better. I wanted to be anybody other than who I was, I wanted to be a different soul.

Now I see my chart as who I am, and unique to me. Nobody else is like me, and that's what makes it special. For all the pains I've experienced, I wouldn't change anything about my chart, because it makes me different. The only way forward is to minimize the negatives and maximize the positives. To transmute the lead into gold.

 

[Yurei]

With each reincarnation, your natal chart will be a little different, right?
Like the planets will move to different houses depending on how your karma was in your previous life?
While your chart ruler and planetary aspects remain more or less the same, unless you've done workings to deal with karma?
How about retrograde planets in regards to this? Us late bloomers usually have 3 or more retrograde planets, which is also an indicator of an older soul, right?