That’s the thing. I’ve never advocated people getting drunk or anything. I’ve said exactly what you say here. That occasionally it’s fine. Same with everything. I’ve always said and advocated moderation. He just said in this reply that it’s wrong to assume things in moderation won’t effect you. Which you just said here a small amount of alcohol won’t effect your spiritual progress. Which I agree with. So it’s fine for you to say it but not me. Storm blood must obviously have something against me cause he’s sitting here saying not to assume I know more than him cause he’s wiser and more advanced, yet he doesn’t know me or know anything of my meditation habits. Me and stormblood disagree on things that’s for sure, but in his mind it seems that means I’m the enemy trying to promote enemy agenda. I have different philosophies and opinions on health and fitness topics than him. Doesn’t mean I’m trying to cause trouble on these forums. And also it doesn’t mean that’s he’s right on his opinions over me. It just means we look at it differently which is okay. In fact I’ve said nothing different than what you’ve said. So how off could my opinions actually be?Lydia said:Stormblood said:Eric13 said:
Because you argued against general principles, rather than once in a while (e.g. festive) exceptions and become passive-aggressive calling people 'ascetic' if they disagree. You also make make hyperboles out of someone telling you the consequences of doing something, like in the case of alcohol that has immediate consequences in low quantities but not as extreme ones as you make them sound (your cognitive dissonance distorts how remember things you rejected). Finally, you also assume that certain things in moderation are not going to affect you, which is the third logical fallacy in your arguments against self-discipline (it's called argument to moderation or false compromise).
You are certainly free to live your life as you choose. However, you shouldn't have the presumption to know more, be more self-aware (and aware in general) and be wiser than those who have meditated for longer and more consistently than you (out of your own admission, not my assumption) and that actually take time to sit and analyse life in general and their own life, instead of having the mindset of "I'll do whatever I want because I've always done and it must be right".
Indulgence doesn't means indulging in whatever you want or that your desires are not going to change as you advance. Just check the latest posts from HP Hooded Cobra, which you so boldly decided to mention. And alcohol was only created in xtard times. Pre-abrahamic civilisations had different indulgent treats. Such things as virgin cider, virgin beer, virgin wine, virgin mead, etc. have existed long before xtardanity. Alcohol is a modern recreational drug like tobacco, soft and hard 'drugs', caffeine and other things. Poison and indulgence are two different things.
Being legally adult doesn't also mean being mentally, emotionally, and spiritually mature. Most people in fact (including me) cannot be considered mature, even when their 80s. They're barely self-aware or not self-aware at all. Those of us who meditate consistently (awareness, power, purification) are more mature than the great majority of the population, and closer to being called adults. There is more responsibility at this point. Some people like HP Hooded Cobra are extremely likely fully mature, and the Gods are obviously the most mature. Most people shouldn't even be given rights to vote, as they cannot even manage their own life at a sufficient level (not even asking anything outstanding or superior here), let alone decide who can manage the lives of the many. There is a reason why golden civilisations always had the wisest in charge and only the ruling/golden class choose representatives, not the individualistic commoners who were still much more mature than most people today.
I had not read those posts by Eric in the health forums, so I should not have replied to him. I wasn't aware of the extent of things mentioned. What I wrote still stands though, like a sip of alcohol (which is literally what I have a few times a year if out for dinner with family or friends) won't set back spiritual progress. But getting drunk whenever a person feels like it obviously shows a lack of self-control or maturity.
I’ve been on these forums for many many years. Going back to to the yahoo group days. My intentions have only ever been to help on here. Not cause trouble. Any arguments have only been in self defense. It’s extremely unsettling to me that storm blood is trying to paint me in some light that isn’t true. As far as I was aware I had no problems with stormblood. I always liked him despite any different opinions. I know he’s extremely aware and wise, but he’s got it all wrong on me if he thinks the things he’s said on his reply. Probably misunderstanding.