"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the suffering of man" What did Nietzsche mean by this quote?

[DisillusionedCitizen]

I'm curious about this quote in the title.

If I have to guess, would it be that certain people would persevere even when their cause is hindering them? Or would it be something else like giving people a sense of security in a cause that doesn't benefits its believers? I... really can't tell at the moment. I'm just wondering how the quote fits into the current situation with Christians and Muslims.

Is it just me, or Nietzsche's works have a tendency to imply irony often?

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

I'm curious about this quote in the title.

If I have to guess, would it be that certain people would persevere even when their cause is hindering them? Or would it be something else like giving people a sense of security in a cause that doesn't benefits its believers? I... really can't tell at the moment. I'm just wondering how the quote fits into the current situation with Christians and Muslims.

Is it just me, or Nietzsche's works have a tendency to imply irony often?

The Christian "hopes" they will go to heaven and never will, because they don't meditate at all.

The idiot outside "hopes" things will get better, but don't do a thing to make things better.

Another person who is obese, "hopes" they will lose weight, never losing any as a result of that hope.

Instead of fixing things realistically, they just "hope" for a form of "reality" to just happen, and it never does.

In that context, hope only creates misery and nothing else, and yes, it would be better to hope nothing of the above, as it's all based on no action and ignorance.

 

[Rocca]

Is it just me, or Nietzsche's works have a tendency to imply irony often?

nietzsche is a complicated case,
i believe there's some truths and areas you can't exposure without being ready otherwise you are compromising your safety (see how he ended up!)
regarding this subject: yesterday i just noticed that at pandora's story after all the evils spreaded there was nothing left in the box but a shiny light said it is HOPE! but the fact it was in the box may means something bad!
in my humble opinion (hope is an illusion) and as HP.HC said what really matters is what you can and can't do.
not to mean illusions are pure evil all the times! sometimes it's very important to keep goin. (the masses can't live without that, take the idea of the coming savior for a good example. it's nearly in every religion)
in our ethics satan said about death "it's the NECESSARY illusion"
i would say if you're willing to abuse that just choose you illusions wisely and don't let it consume you.

 

[DisillusionedCitizen]

nietzsche is a complicated case,
i believe there's some truths and areas you can't exposure without being ready otherwise you are compromising your safety (see how he ended up!)
regarding this subject: yesterday i just noticed that at pandora's story after all the evils spreaded there was nothing left in the box but a shiny light said it is HOPE! but the fact it was in the box may means something bad!
in my humble opinion (hope is an illusion) and as HP.HC said what really matters is what you can and can't do.
not to mean illusions are pure evil all the times! sometimes it's very important to keep goin. (the masses can't live without that, take the idea of the coming savior for a good example. it's nearly in every religion)
in our ethics satan said about death "it's the NECESSARY illusion"
i would say if you're willing to abuse that just choose you illusions wisely and don't let it consume you.

Yes, that may be true, but there's also an implication the High Priest pointed out:

Hope, at worst, is the cruelest deception.

Lower brass Christians and Muslims hope that their prayers would make certain outcomes manifest, only for the exact opposite to happen.

Going into it further, hope and conviction both of which Nietzsche have commented on, tend to involve people (primarily Christians and Muslims, and New Agers) having high expectations for something to happen or improve, only for reality to be the opposite of whatever "meaningful" result they'd hope to manifest, hence me suspecting Nietzsche's having a sort of irony to them.

I'm starting to think that irony is something that's heavily under-valued, only if because most people don't understand irony at all.

 

[Dragonheart666]

Hope is a lazy man's way of life. Thinking he's going to get somewhere or something? From it, and fails. And dies a cowardly fool.

 

[Rocca]

I'm starting to think that irony is something that's heavily under-valued, only if because most people don't understand irony at all.

i'd put the way i see irony this way:
the word sarcasm comes from the Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmós) which is taken from σαρκάζειν (sarkázein) meaning "to tear flesh.
guess the point here is an implicit reference to
"get to the very essence of a thing"
without all those layers of lies or fake sanctity!
hope my understanding level is decent

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

nietzsche is a complicated case,
i believe there's some truths and areas you can't exposure without being ready otherwise you are compromising your safety (see how he ended up!)
regarding this subject: yesterday i just noticed that at pandora's story after all the evils spreaded there was nothing left in the box but a shiny light said it is HOPE! but the fact it was in the box may means something bad!
in my humble opinion (hope is an illusion) and as HP.HC said what really matters is what you can and can't do.
not to mean illusions are pure evil all the times! sometimes it's very important to keep goin. (the masses can't live without that, take the idea of the coming savior for a good example. it's nearly in every religion)
in our ethics satan said about death "it's the NECESSARY illusion"
i would say if you're willing to abuse that just choose you illusions wisely and don't let it consume you.

in our ethics satan said about death "it's the NECESSARY illusion"
i would say if you're willing to abuse that just choose you illusions wisely and don't let it consume you.

What do you mean by it’s the necessary illusion?

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

Yes, that may be true, but there's also an implication the High Priest pointed out:

Hope, at worst, is the cruelest deception.

Lower brass Christians and Muslims hope that their prayers would make certain outcomes manifest, only for the exact opposite to happen.

Going into it further, hope and conviction both of which Nietzsche have commented on, tend to involve people (primarily Christians and Muslims, and New Agers) having high expectations for something to happen or improve, only for reality to be the opposite of whatever "meaningful" result they'd hope to manifest, hence me suspecting Nietzsche's having a sort of irony to them.

I'm starting to think that irony is something that's heavily under-valued, only if because most people don't understand irony at all.

Right, so conviction is a firm belief rather than a knowing?

 

[DisillusionedCitizen]

Right, so conviction is a firm belief rather than a knowing?

Yes, it's something that Christians and Muslims think in their mind is true and won't relent even if they're proven wrong.

For starters, the irony written in the Exposing Christianity website: They fail to realize that all the atrocities they accuse the "devil" (Satan) of doing is spiritually being carried out by their own god.

 

[Niko_is_666]

Hope as we see in the Common Era is used as a weapon to keep many people in a paralyzed state in their material and spiritual matters, some enemy programs try to manifest hope as the permanent driving force of a person's life, which is unnatural. Hope, if turned permanent, can be perfect to for slaves to remain slaves, and even control them. That's why the enemy preaches hope in the damaging manner that we witness from time to time.

Though on the natural level, Hope is a temporary driving force for lower levels of life, to keep a person or an intelligent species afloat/from total collapse. You naturally won't need hope if or when you have your life under control, one would barely have any notion of hope in their present or even future if they are successful. But lets say a person's life has been utterly destroyed all of a sudden, all his progress gone back to zero, nothing left for him and the person is possibly losing their mind over the failure; this is exactly where nature provides a layover, where 'hope' will work as a medium to keep the person alive until their mind accepts/learns/realizes that they need a better approach/alternative for life & progress.

If a person is primarily dependent on hope as their driving factor/force of their life, they need to face this harsh reality that they are living in the lower levels of their life where progress is guaranteed to be minimal or null, no matter how much they lie to themselves. One should face this and begin to lift themselves up instead of waiting for a miracle. To be honest, the miracle of hope does exist, though it is not about some third party saviourism or some ready made solution, but rather about the very action taken by the hopeful individual. Hope is necessary for the lost ones to once again find the miracle within, not the outside as the enemy programs preach.

 

[Hellenic SS]

The xian version of "hope" is cuck mentality.

 

[Golden Garden Fairy]

i'd put the way i see irony this way:
the word sarcasm comes from the Greek σαρκασμός (sarkasmós) which is taken from σαρκάζειν (sarkázein) meaning "to tear flesh.
guess the point here is an implicit reference to
"get to the very essence of a thing"
without all those layers of lies or fake sanctity!
hope my understanding level is decent

What blocks people from getting sarcasm?

 

[Rocca]

What blocks people from getting sarcasm?

they strongly define their entire existence by solid beliefs and perceptions
when they realize those things can be criticism they feel much threatened,
it also needs an iq above the average for getting sarcasm.