Himmler,Polygamy, Eugenics and the Incel doom

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Jack I have the feeling you used to be a high level brahmin in some of your past lives and you lived as one of these top level men who had multiple wives. In a vedic society where this was accepted in the highest class as you have described it. This is why polygamy feels like such a natural thing for you, it is part of your own personal history.

But I can't honestly even imagine a situation like that personally. How can you merge and share your entire soul with more than one woman? For most people, polygamy is absolutely unnatural and goes against all our feelings. Because it is not a part of our own personal history. But I agree that this is a valid conversation to be had and it could work very well in some specific isolated situations. Jack, I get the strong feeling that you have in past lives been a wonderful husband to multiple woman and a loving father to a lot of children and it makes me very happy that it has worked so perfectly for your family. Everyone provided for with everything they needed, everyone having all the attention they need. But this was in a powerful vedic society that was in every way at a prosperous high spiritual level, so everything was just a lot easier then than it is now. Not sure if I'm right, but I feel like I can see your big happy family from long long ago. But remember this is not anyway part of most people's history so it would be hard or impossible to get them to agree with it.

 

[Jack]

If people want polygamy its going to have to agreed on or its not going to last.

Very true

 

[MissMeow]

Polygamy is definitely not for everyone.

I used to be monogamous, but over time I realized that it wasn't right for me. My personality fits with this lifestyle, I am bisexual and I don't mind sharing my partner within reason. I don't want my partner to be with my enemies or my family to me that would be a massive insult.

The thing is though if you are going to date/marry multiple people you must perfect your time management skills because it can be extremely challenging to balance work, time with your partners, time for yourself, school, errands, etc.

From my experience as well you cannot maintain relationships with multiple people if your partners do not like one another. This leads to sabotage, resentment, animosity, even violence. Always check someone's natal chart before you date them as well, compare yours to theirs and to your other partners.

Polygamy is a big responsibility, you need to be okay with helping raise your partners children even if they aren't biologically yours.

 

[HPS Lydia]

Sorry about that. I don't know why I wrote that. As I said, this post was about discussion about what Himmler was trying to do and what could be better options. I'm not trying to shove anything in anyone's face. It was just to shock destigmatize the concept of polygamy.

It was an interesting conversation held here People need to know themselves and what works best for them and their people.

 

[luis]

Probably a better situation is pay women who want children but can not find a husband to go to a sperm donor clinic and get pregnant from a high quality donor. The problem with polygamy is it causes issues within the family many times the wives get jealous and the children don't get the attention they want, unless the husband is rich he is going to have to work forever to afford this family. You can watch this tv show about Mormons who do polygamy and the wives are not happy with the arrangement especially if a new wife shows up.

Himmler was talking about letting a SS Man would have two wives if he had distinguished himself not the entire population. Too much polygamy leads to inbreeding in the population especially in area's with smaller populations this is already shown in America with the Amish and Mormon cults.

Many times in history Polygamy was practiced by rulers as form of politics' the ability to arrange political marriages for alliances. In Pagan European times most people practiced monogamy a man would marry another women usually in the cases of the sister of his wife if her husband passed on. This was done to secure the family and take care of the sister in law and any children. A lot of times it might have just been Platonic.

But what about gay people? There is not a problem of kids but still i jelousy. And what about a more open relationship for example? Like a couple that sometime have sex with another person or orgies? I think there are many thing other than Polygamy that everyone didn't think of.

 

[Arcadia]

Definitely some interesting points here, sure. I'll pitch my voice into the others saying that portraying monogamy as something inherently bad was a very poor choice, but you've heard that enough by now that I won't beat the point into the ground anymore than it has been.

There's a lot of interesting discussions to be had about what are the most desirable traits too. Admittedly its rare to find the "perfect" specimen so to speak. For instance. Both my partner and I (for context, we're both male) are blonde, have blue eyes, and don't have a single mixed or non-white person in our bloodline's known history, have genetics free of any notable health issues, and without tooting any horns, are generally above average intelligence in most fields and are physically fit. He stands 6 foot and I stand only around 5'8. A few interesting points to make, not that I want to go too into personal details, but, I shall for the sake of example.

Do I get snipped from the superior man pool because I'm an inch or two shorter? It's never stopped me being combat capable and exceptionally quick in my life's affairs, and I've maintained lean muscle mass with barely any effort. So the question for me ends up being, what's the cutoff point for who's superior and who is not? If you make the conditions too lax, well, you have the problems you have now, if you make it too strict, you also run into issues of not having enough men who fit the bill initially and then you also run into issues of incest which have become prevalent in the Middle East, many men now looking caveman-tier due to constant family inbreeding. On the subject of height there's also other amusing points. I barely put any weight or stress on my joints, and I'll be physically fit and healthy for a long time. However my 6'7 friend has numerous spinal and joint issues due to his height. Obviously one case is not quite like another, but, worth noting. Ontop of this, other races also have different standards for who's tall, who's short, as well as the pool for potential eye/hair colors and physiques.

So the next question would be, if I do pass this superior man qualification, well, I am certainly more gay than straight and I'm quite happy being monogamous. I suppose I'd hypothetically be capable of mating with the right female, but, is that really an optimal situation? Can't really say for sure. I'd always try to do whats right for my race and my Gods, of course, but the idea of being forced to mate with people is not a fond one in my head.

On the subject of eugenics, things are indeed a mess right now, globally. There's plenty of people who physically fit the bill of what you describe, and yet, are intense Xians who've done more harm than good to the spiritual makeup of the world. On the flipside, depending on how intense ones requirements for eugenics is, there might be an SS here today who may not have passed. There's lots of people using magic to try and fix bad health and mental conditions. Obviously the extent or lack thereof is purely up to debate so I won't claim to know what the best system is.

I can have a good laugh at everything incel related. The places where I do most of my online activism are regrettably rife with such types (I usually do so among right-leaning places) where near hatred of women has become endemic. You'd swear these people were gay with how much they hated women but they hate gays too. I remember a phenomenon, going back to the Middle East once more, that women are so talked down and degraded in common thought that the men can't even be aroused by women anymore, due to them being associated with dogs and lower. But since being gay is a no-no they turn to young boys, which, for some reason, doesn't count? Its the same mentality of Catholic Priest abominations, perhaps. Incel males will inevitably doom themselves unless they turn their mentalities around, I agree.

All in all, there's a lot to discuss, and inevitably you're going to run into some uncomfortable topics, even among a community that's as tight-knit as ours.

 

[BlueLight]

The sisters that have been doing since the dawn of humanity. This paradigm of monogamy is primarily Christian. Its antithetical to the innate human nature.

No, don't you even dare make monogamy seem like an unnatural thing for humans. If it was a xian thing, our Gods wouldn't practice it. And we have quite a few Gods who are fully monogamous.

That's the problem with your post and your beliefs. You try to spread out the idea of polygamy by shaming the idea of monogamy.

Some people are monogamous, some are poly. Both are perfectly normal.

Sorry about that. I don't know why I wrote that. As I said, this post was about discussion about what Himmler was trying to do and what could be better options. I'm not trying to shove anything in anyone's face. It was just to shock destigmatize the concept of polygamy.

Don't take it the wrong way. I have nothing against polygamy, a matter that I believe applies to all members here. But you can't try to introduce people to this by making them get a negative outlook on monogamy.

I've seen it discussed quite a few times before on the forums. And the clergy has stated that it's a personal choice.

Himmler had a very good idea when it came to it. But Jack, you must realize that not every man can do polygamy. Other have stated that it's quite impossible to make a person go against their nature. It can end very badly. Monogamous men and women will get jealous and might end up in a depression - or even worse, they might break an otherwise very healthy relationship.

Let's say that from those superior SS men only 60% would be willing to try polygamy. It's still a good thing. I understand what you tried to do.

People need to understand that it's perfectly normal to be both polygamous and monogamous. And that it's a personal choice. Both can be used to keep our race alive and to improve ourselves and our ancestry. This duty shouldn't mean that you're forced to go into polygamy when you're monogamous - and when you can do it by remaining monogamous, with your partner.

Would you try to force one of our monogamous Gods to be polygamous? No, you wouldn't. Just the way you can't force a poly person to be monogamous.

I think that a much bigger problem here is the mindset people have about polygamy. A big part of the society thinks it's a bad thing because they've seen horrible and failed attempts at it. People who tried to force monogamous women into polygamy. They are very unhappy and they'll always be, that way. And you can understand why. There's the jealousy. There's the competition. Monogamous people don't want to share their partner. And this... this ends up affecting the children as well.

Just as the HPs have said, there were pagan, gentile civilizations who practiced both. Pagan rulers had the choice to remain monogamous or take several partners. It's a choice - and as long as you can continue doing your duty through said choice, I don't see where the problem is.

I take it that you are polygamous. I can understand that you might have difficulties comprehending why monogamous people go through this - it's the same with me, as a monogamous person. I do have a some difficulties understanding how the whole polygamy situation works.

Mainly because I can't see or imagine myself sharing my partner. And it's the same for him. He's also SS. We're both a bit possessive of each other - and we are very happy with our relationship.

I'm very happy to see polygamous people around. This isn't a matter that should be forgotten. It's as important as the third sex thing.

New SS members need to understand that their sexuality is normal. Even if they are attracted to their gender or another. Even if they are monogamous or polygamous.

I am not trying to attack you in any way - but throwing words around carelessly can have very bad consequences.

And Himmler said that a SS can have, if he so desires, up to two wives. It wasn't something forced upon people.

 

[BlueLight]

The sisters that have been doing since the dawn of humanity. This paradigm of monogamy is primarily Christian. Its antithetical to the innate human nature.

No, don't you even dare make monogamy seem like an unnatural thing for humans. If it was a xian thing, our Gods wouldn't practice it. And we have quite a few Gods who are fully monogamous.

That's the problem with your post and your beliefs. You try to spread out the idea of polygamy by shaming the idea of monogamy.

Some people are monogamous, some are poly. Both are perfectly normal.

Sorry about that. I don't know why I wrote that. As I said, this post was about discussion about what Himmler was trying to do and what could be better options. I'm not trying to shove anything in anyone's face. It was just to shock destigmatize the concept of polygamy.

Another thing to add is that polygamy should feel natural for us. Not... as our sexuality.

Polygamy doesn't feel natural for me because I am monogamous. But it feels natural for this community we have. It feels natural to have it among us, to know that some of our members are polygamous and very happy with it.

Polygamy and monogamy are part of our society and not having one of them would leave it incomplete. It's the same with the third sex individuals. It feels... complete. It feels like this is what we should have. It's a feeling I couldn't get from a xian society or the way society is nowadays, with the shit way they portray both monogamy and polygamy, sexuality in general.

I came to Father Satan with mixed feelings when it comes to polygamy because of the bad examples I've seen in the past. But I respect polygamy and the members of our family who have this sexuality. I am very happy for them, knowing they can express themselves that way. Knowing they're happy.

And this is what we should aim for.

For people to be happy and satisfied with a fulfilling life. This feeling you get from a united, fulfilling society is what we need. Having all this should feel natural for us - no matter what our sexuality is. And having this choice.

 

[Taol]

He stands 6 foot and I stand only around 5'8. A few interesting points to make, not that I want to go too into personal details, but, I shall for the sake of example.

However my 6'7 friend has numerous spinal and joint issues due to his height. Obviously one case is not quite like another, but, worth noting. Ontop of this, other races also have different standards for who's tall, who's short, as well as the pool for potential eye/hair colors and physiques.

Todays chairs, houses and what not are not made for exceptionally tall people. there is also a fair amount of comments made to them like whether or not the weather is nice up there.

If we were that tall, standard, then there wouldnt have been a problem. But with all the multiculti around there, there are many people who are shorter and most chairs and tables and countertops (also noted this with the ironing board..) and such are made for the average height (probably what around yours is).

leading to the tall people bending over excessively, needing to watch their head walking through doors if theyre that tall and what not.
this can easily lead to bad posture and thus spinal issues.
Also make sure to have good chairs if youre that tall.

Also, does he do yoga? i mean hatha not kundalini. it is possible to improve certain problems doing yoga.

 

[Dariak]

What about homosexual males? In my case, I would like to pass on my genes and I know what that would require. I was thinking of insemention.

If I were NOT to reproduce, would I still be able to reincarnate? I understand that the soul needs a suitable body to house it, and there’s nothing more suitable than the genes from your descendants as they are a reflection of you. So it would make sense for one to reincarnate into their descending gene pool, or do I have this mixed up?

Also, what would happened if there was no suitable body for the soul to be housed in? Would one just reincarnate into a body that’s closest to the needs of the placement of the soul?

 

[Godmode]

To be honest I just want to bang the girls I don't really want and then marry my most favorite one that I find. Basically like how you have a favorite stuffy or blankie when you're a toddler. Is it moral? Probably not but its how my brain works. I also want to punch so many people in the face but it's just not the right thing to do oftentimes, no matter how great I am and how lame they might be. Do you know what I mean? It's not just figuring out what your base desires are, it's also figuring out how, why and when you should utilize them.

I think Himmler's idea of basically giving certain guys a free-pass and a special badge to wear may be the way to go. The base-level dominance hierarchy needs to be complimented by a high-level sophistication that somehow ties in to civilized organization. In the same way women would rather have a handsome man who is also rich and intelligent I'm going to guess they would also rather share women with a man who is handsome, tall and important rather than just handsome and tall. And that's how it should be, if we're going to go through with this.

People do pick favorites and to me the idea of polygamy represents a very relaxed and slow pace of being which is unrealistic to most lifestyles. If it weren't forced, likely people would pick favorites and wind up the same way they are today, which is monogamous but still flirting with other people and forming emotional relationships. I like it that way, I have no problem with my girlfriend bonding with men or wearing a low cut shirt, but while there aren't real rules, there are things I just do not have time for. And that is maintaining 5 polygamous relationships in order to maintain the amount of love and sex I could get out of one where I went home to see the same person every night. When I had girlfriends we were making out and eventually having sex every single day multiple times a day. I don't have the time to go from one place to another and maintain all the nuances of each separate relationship in order to fulfill a sexual need; the sexual need can be filled with self-satisfaction and human intimacy is a two-way self-generating reward for the responsibility of keeping up with our civilizations burden of work and cooperation. Possibly proving that original purpose for language is to foster love and prevent rape.

Now maybe in the future when everything is way easier, we can be a lot more relaxed and indulgent or otherwise adapt to the pace and meaning of life. Remember life has not always been this easy for us. Be grateful for what you can get because in the Middle Ages we wouldn't even think to wonder of these luxuries. Now imagine a stone age type situation, wouldn't you rather have a loving soft wife who said I Love You than to be in a confused nightmare where rape is the only pleasure and then you're dead?