Free speech =/= freedom from reaction

[Jrvan]

Many people, particularly internet trolls, believe that having free speech automatically shields them from reactions by other people they speak to. You can say anything you want, but those words still have an effect on people which will cause a reaction. People have their freedom as well to react to what you say, and the only thing granting you impunity and freedom from consequence for what comes out of your mouth is a crooked law which promises freedom from violence. In past ages you could also say whatever you wanted, but you may have actually had to pay for your words back then. There was nothing stopping someone from kicking your ass if you crossed a line. This is the only reason why internet trolls, bullies, dishonest folk and what have you, can successfully overpower others in an argument - because when the targets of their words react, they can just fire off more words at them to shame them for their reaction. Shaming someone for their justified reaction is cowardly, and shows that someone doesn't want to take responsibility for their words. If you think about it, their words may as well be worthless if they aren't willing to own them. If you can't face the reactions of other people, and you can't face the consequences of what you said, then clearly it wasn't anything worth saying. People like this should be written off by others and not taken seriously. Nobody should ever take someone and their words seriously if they can't even take responsibility for them. Being a bully and shaming other people for reacting to your words is not winning an argument - it just makes you look weak and pathetic.

 

[Hp. Hoodedcobra666]

Many people, particularly internet trolls, believe that having free speech automatically shields them from reactions by other people they speak to. You can say anything you want, but those words still have an effect on people which will cause a reaction. People have their freedom as well to react to what you say, and the only thing granting you impunity and freedom from consequence for what comes out of your mouth is a crooked law which promises freedom from violence. In past ages you could also say whatever you wanted, but you may have actually had to pay for your words back then. There was nothing stopping someone from kicking your ass if you crossed a line. This is the only reason why internet trolls, bullies, dishonest folk and what have you, can successfully overpower others in an argument - because when the targets of their words react, they can just fire off more words at them to shame them for their reaction. Shaming someone for their justified reaction is cowardly, and shows that someone doesn't want to take responsibility for their words. If you think about it, their words may as well be worthless if they aren't willing to own them. If you can't face the reactions of other people, and you can't face the consequences of what you said, then clearly it wasn't anything worth saying. People like this should be written off by others and not taken seriously. Nobody should ever take someone and their words seriously if they can't even take responsibility for them. Being a bully and shaming other people for reacting to your words is not winning an argument - it just makes you look weak and pathetic.

The internet is not exactly the place where "Truth" has reigned in anyway. Much of the internet in an ever-increasing manner is unfortunately falsehoods.

It is a place of a lot of false information and a lot of other fraudulent information merely perpetuated by repeating behaviours which already make everyone produce these in the first place, ignorance etc. These reflect a lot on the conversation and discourse of the internet. A lot of the internet is just hoaxing and noise.

The internet is great to transmit information but it's not the greatest when it comes to sharing and conversation. People in social media for example will tell you they will do this and that, but they would never do this in someone's face. I experience this daily, including threats and so on.

 

[Jrvan]

Many people, particularly internet trolls, believe that having free speech automatically shields them from reactions by other people they speak to. You can say anything you want, but those words still have an effect on people which will cause a reaction. People have their freedom as well to react to what you say, and the only thing granting you impunity and freedom from consequence for what comes out of your mouth is a crooked law which promises freedom from violence. In past ages you could also say whatever you wanted, but you may have actually had to pay for your words back then. There was nothing stopping someone from kicking your ass if you crossed a line. This is the only reason why internet trolls, bullies, dishonest folk and what have you, can successfully overpower others in an argument - because when the targets of their words react, they can just fire off more words at them to shame them for their reaction. Shaming someone for their justified reaction is cowardly, and shows that someone doesn't want to take responsibility for their words. If you think about it, their words may as well be worthless if they aren't willing to own them. If you can't face the reactions of other people, and you can't face the consequences of what you said, then clearly it wasn't anything worth saying. People like this should be written off by others and not taken seriously. Nobody should ever take someone and their words seriously if they can't even take responsibility for them. Being a bully and shaming other people for reacting to your words is not winning an argument - it just makes you look weak and pathetic.

The internet is not exactly the place where "Truth" has reigned in anyway. Much of the internet in an ever-increasing manner is unfortunately falsehoods.

It is a place of a lot of false information and a lot of other fraudulent information merely perpetuated by repeating behaviours which already make everyone produce these in the first place, ignorance etc. These reflect a lot on the conversation and discourse of the internet. A lot of the internet is just hoaxing and noise.

The internet is great to transmit information but it's not the greatest when it comes to sharing and conversation. People in social media for example will tell you they will do this and that, but they would never do this in someone's face. I experience this daily, including threats and so on.

What you say has been a bitter pill for me to swallow in the past. It's my policy to hold people accountable for the things they say, and I know the internet is much more wild and untamed like you say so I don't really have a way to hold people accountable. I hate the idea of being powerless and seeing others powerless to do anything about it though and protecting their dignity. That's why I still try to work together with others to stand up to the ones who try to gain the upper hand by pushing others down in front of a crowd. Even when certain things seem pointless, there might still be a way or at least something that can be done to make things better for people.

I also understand your position a little bit, and why you probably can't do or say certain things. It would be outside the duties of Clergy, I presume. Not really what you're here for, or at all what your main goal is. Obviously you have to focus on the bigger and more important things for your role, and trust others to grow and handle their own problems by themselves. You can't do everything for people, and I get that. It's why I chose to play a role that I figured you couldn't play. I've done my best to help people on a more individualized level with certain things. I guess we could say that you help with the general spiritual advancement and enlightenment, and what I've chosen to do is help with peoples' unique psyches case by case. I focus a lot on the emotional problems, hang ups, and general psychology that block people from going to higher levels before certain things are dealt with. After solving certain things that were holding them back, I predict that they will be even better able to see more clearly certain things that you teach and share.

That's how I see myself on these forums anyway. I know a lot of people here hate me for stepping on toes, but the way I see it their sense of invisible hierarchy was a false one anyway. The JoS Guardians is a great system for setting clear established lines and true hierarchy that has been earned. It's a lot better than someone being here for years and saying to all newcomers who disagree with them "You haven't been here long enough which means you're not advanced like I am, you have to earn your place here which starts with bowing to me." I don't go for that. That's the same thing as rank being based on seniority which I always rebelled against as well. Age isn't an indicator of experience like it was in the past. I've seen 50+ year old people who don't have a clue. And just like you described in a post, a Demon year is much longer and the amount of advancement that happens in just one year is unfathomable. Not everyone gains the same amount of experience or has the same amount of things happen in 1 year. 1 year for one person will make them much wiser and produce huge amounts of growth compared to the 1 year spent by another who didn't do anything during it. Measuring advancement for members on the forums based on the number of years since account creation, and those people establishing an invisible group hierarchy based on that doesn't make any sense. The JoS Guardian rank by contrast is earned and validated by you and even the Gods I assume. That's how it should be, and I'm very happy with it. I'm so excited to see the forums continue to grow under yours and their guidance.

I can't say I envy you with that last bit. I suppose it's something you've just had to get used to? Constant threats and getting your inbox blown up by jews all the time can't be any fun. I mean the amount of insane crap you have had to deal with on the forums alone blows my mind sometimes. You're a strong man. I don't know if this is true what I heard, but I remember a conversation with (hopefully) a Demon, and I mentioned that one legendary troll who I saw running his mouth to you saying that you "haven't even raised your serpent." I was told that it was especially offensive because a "risen" serpent means fully risen past the crown, so to say that you haven't "raised" your serpent would imply that you haven't raised it at all above the base chakra. What a mischievous little shit.