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https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=60733 Credit goes to Alterai.
About Turkish Mythology
First and foremost, I wish you health and happiness. I have been researching the connections between Turkish Mythology and Satanism for a while now. In this process, I managed to find certain similarities, but I have to note that Turkish mythology has been subjected to a lot of disinformation and destruction, unfortunately, since our nomadic ancestors had no written tradition, the information about our mythology was recorded in a disorganized manner and at dates that distant from each other. Some of the records we have come from Christian missionaries and Russians who went to the region in the 1400-1900s, while the other part of the information was compiled by German researchers from the shamans in Central Asia in the 1800-1900s, but there is a problem that the research of Turkish Mythology started too late. Because of this, we have information about the latest version of Mythology, that is, its degenerated state, rather than its original roots.
To give an example of this corruption, according to what a historian named Ceren Sungur found in her research on Shamanism, the current chief god Ülgen in the final form of our mythology was originally a goddess, and after the disintegration of the Göktürk Khaganate, the belief system began to change and the goddess named Ülgen took the place of Gök Tengri. She says Ülgen has become a humanoid god-figure. In other words, when the god Ülgen was originally a goddess, she was suddenly turned into a god and even elevated to the position of the chief god. When I checked Yaşar Çoruhlu's Outlines of Turkish Mythology and Uno Harva's Altai Pantheon, there wasn't such a thing, but probably Ceren Sungur saw it somewhere else, if anyone has information on the subject, I would appreciate it here. Sacrifice rituals can be given as another example of corruption. Actually, there are no sacrificial rituals in Paganism, these sacrificial rituals are added into Paganism by the enemy and their supporters. There are plenty of sacrificial rituals (in its degenerated state) in the belief system of our ancestors, what we can understand from this is the enemy made a great attack on the faith of our ancestors and unfortunately succeeded. It is our duty to carefully extract the Satanic information from this pile of information where right and wrong are mixed.
Since the issue of Gök God, Kayra Han and Ülgen is a very complicated subject, I won’t go into this at all today. To briefly mention, it is written in Wikipedia that these gods are in a father-son relationship with each other (Ülgen's father is Kayra, Kayra's father is Tengri). However, in reality, this is wrong, until early dates (700s, 1000s) the god named Ülgen is not even a god, but a goddess. Later, she was related to the Sky God, possibly turning into a god figure. While Kayra Han is the other name of Ülgen in the beliefs of various tribes, it is another name of Tengri in various tribes. As far as I understand, some researchers even say that these three gods were the same person, but later separated from each other.
As you can see, Turkish mythology has many variations (there are many different and unrelated versions of mythology in different tribes, on top of that, the variations in the past are different from today) and is in a deteriorated state, but despite all this, the similarities between a goddess named Umay, who is mentioned even in our oldest records, and Mother Lilith cannot be ignored. If you look carefully, you can see that there are many similarities. What I want to mention in this article is the similarities between Umay and Lilith. What I have written so far has been to provide a better understanding of the subject and an overview of our mythology. From here I will move on to the connections between Mother Lilith and Umay Ana.
Translator Note: This is not included in the original topic as Turkish speakers don't need it. ''Umay Ana'' means Mother Umay. I'm unable to find reliable sources about the roots of the name, but going from what I know, ''um-'' is a verb stem for ''to hope'', ''to wish'', and ''to frighten'' (we'll see this meaning for Mother Umay after the corruption) while ''ay'' is literally meaning ''the moon'' and something you'd see in feminine names in old Turkish. According to Wikipedia, the name means ''womb'' or ''uterus'' in Mongolian.
Connections Between Mother Umay and Lady Lilith
Let's talk about Mother Umay. She is a goddess mentioned in Orkhon Inscriptions, if I'm not wrong, in Kül Tigin and Tonyukuk Inscriptions many times. According to what the researchers found out, the belief in Umay dates back to 500 BC, so we can say that she is one of our oldest gods/goddesses. It is said that she has different names in different tribes, for example, another goddess named Ayzıt is said to be a different name for Umay Ana, and over time these two figures differentiated and Ayzıt became a different goddess. According to our mythology, Mother Umay helps women during childbirth, protects children and women, is the goddess of fertility, and is associated with mothers and children. Umay Ana is also called Blonde Maiden (Sarı Kız) and Blonde Lady* (Sarı Hatun), she is considered a blonde and white woman, sometimes depicted with silver hair, and at the same time, she is similar to the earth goddesses in some cases. (I don't know if Lady Lilith has a direct relationship with the earth, but I don't think it is much of a trouble because if the chief god of the Sky God religion is essentially related to the sky, it wouldn't be wrong to think of his wife as earth, as in many mythologies, remember Uranus and Gaia for example.)
*Translator Note: She was named ''red/scarlet woman, the woman of red'' later on.
Later, in time, the figure of Umay will be associated with darkness, she will be called Black Umay and will be held responsible for child deaths. This is also one of the slanders against our mother Lilith. Our mother Lilith was also held responsible for child deaths by the enemy, although she helped women while they give birth. I have touched on the similarities with Umay Ana so far, and from here on, I will quote and list the things I have mentioned and not mentioned so far, one by one.
The First Similarity: Huma Bird/Umay Kuşu/Hüma kuşu
Huma Bird or with the Latin script of the Persian name
Homā; Also known as the Bird of Paradise, it is a legendary bird that does not descend to the ground and flies high. This bird is located on the seventh floor of the sky and is associated with Mother Umay, another name is Umay Bird. As you know, in myths, Heaven or the seventh floor denotes the Crown Chakra, while Hell denotes the Root Chakra. It is a striking similarity that a bird associated with Mother Umay resides in Heaven and in the seventh heaven, and Lady Lilith rules the Crown Chakra. Another interesting issue here is the relationship between Huma bird and ''state/government/crown bird'' is based on Turkish Wikipedia Encyclopedic Dictionary of Turkish Mythology, (They wrote the story of the ''state bird'' directly on the page of Huma bird on the English wiki). Crown/State Bird or Fortune Bird (They are the same bird anyway,
according to what writes here one of the meaning of ''devlet (state/government)'' is fortune and luck) is a bird that if it lands on someone's head, they will be crowned so they will be the governer. While the myth that the Huma Bird resides on the seventh floor of the sky or in Heaven already reveals a relationship with the Crown Chakra, its relationship with the State Bird makes the relationship much stronger. There is also an interesting part on the English Wikipedia about a Sufi's abstract approach to this legend, my English is not very good, as far as I understand in the part that I will quote later, the state of the kingship is related to the evolution of thoughts, etc. As far as I know, our perception of the world changes after the seventh chakra, it may be related to this.
Although the Huma bird is mentioned as a Persian figure, such mythological figures are often mentioned in the legends of many nations, in this case, it is probably the same, because all Gentile beliefs are actually based on a single root. I also want to mention that Mother Umay can turn into a bird and I move on to the next one.
T.N: I humbly want to mention that the owl is sacred to Mother Lilith.
The Second Similarity: The Wife of Shiva: Parvati/Uma and Lady Lilith
You probably already knew, one of the most important gods of Indian Mythology,
Shiva is actually a name of Satan in another mythology. Let me quote our brother Bright Truth:
It has already been confirmed by the High Priests that Shiva is actually the name of Satan in Indian Mythology. Another name of Parvati, one of Shiva's wives, is Uma. Lady Lilith is associated with
Parvati. I'm directly quoting from the Wikipedia page for
Parvati:
This name similarity with Umay has also been noticed by academics, as it is said in Yaşar Çoruhlu's book titled Outlines of Turkish Mythology (page 40):
Let me quote a few quotes for Parvati that have been called Lilith many times on the JoS forums:
I would like to mention one more detail, the association of Umay and Uma with light reminded me of our Lilith Mother's saying "Light is Power"*.
T.N: She might have used different wording, this is a translation of the translation of her words and I'm unable to find the source.
The Third Similarity: Umay Ana Doesn't Appear to Just Anyone
In Turkish mythology, it is said that only children can see Umay Ana, while other spirits and gods appear to humans. In this respect, I think there is a similarity with Lady Lilith appearing only to those she chose. Unfortunately, I cannot offer a quote about this, I only heard about it from Ceren Sungur. However, I could not find anything related to this issue in the sources I studied. Those who are curious can look at it by searching the video on youtube, check the twelfth minute.
The quote belongs to JoS page that is dedicated to
Lady Lilith:
The Fourth Similarity: The Duties of Mother Umay and Lady Lilith
The quote is from JoS page that dedicated to Lady Lilith:
There are some quotes about her from Turkish and English Wikipedia pages for her:
In addition, Mother Umay protects women and children as well as directly assists in obstetrics and fights evil spirits, which is a remarkable similarity. The following excerpt is from a website named religion and mythology,
dedicated to Umay Ana: (There are similar quotes in the books, but I didn't take notes, and truth to be told I feel too lazy to find them right now.):
The Fifth Similarity: Associating Both with Evil Over Time
First, I would like to quote an answer to a question regarding Lady Lilith:
The same situation happened with Mother Umay, with a quote from Yaşar Çoruhlu's book, Outlines of Turkish Mythology:
The association of Albastı and Lilith is mentioned separately in both English and Turkish Wikipedias, but I do not want to examine it, you can look it up yourself if you are interested.
The Sixht Similarity
epictions of Mother Umay and Lady Lilith
I remember reading the descriptions of Lady Lilith as a blonde Aryan woman on the JoS forums, if you search the forums a little you can find these depictions, I don't think it's needed to quote them. Mother Umay is called ''The Blonde Maiden'' and ''The Blonde Lady'', and there are her various blonde depictions. Again, I will quote from Yaşar Çoruhlu's book:
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That's it, I won't mention anything about mythology in what I'm going to write from here. I've shared what I've found so far by giving as many sources as possible. Non-Satanists will see this article as nonsense and point out the differences between Umay and Lilith, my answer to them is that this difference is natural because the enemy has corrupted the mythologies and teachings, and these beliefs have inevitably suffered natural destruction over time. Apart from that, I would like to hear the comments of my satanist brothers and sisters on the subject. Finally, the person who inspired me to write this article is my friend Bright Truth. In a conversation I had with him last night, he advised me to open an account in the forums, so I had done a certain amount of research on Turkish Mythology, I had a Umay-Lilith association in mind before, and I came to these conclusions by looking at the sources a little carefully and scanning. After stating this, again, I feel too lazy to check if there is a typo/sentence mistake, so I finish the article without checking it, and I await your feedback.
Edit: Typos, etc. I'm still not satisfied with some sentences but I’m short on time.
