Jack said:
Rook said:
The underlined statement is just plain wrong,
Do you not realize the reason why people do workings on other people at night is because they're unconscious? the unconscious mind does not resist it is open to programming as the logical 'conscious' mind is turned off when one is asleep, this is why people preform workings on others at night and why the enemy also attacks people the most when they're asleep.
The only resistance one can have is if they themselves or someone else places blocks in their mind, but even these blocks can be broken down by repeated programming this is why most workings are not just a 1 shot deal.
This is common knowledge that all SS should know, i suggest you start reading up on JOS:
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/About_Hypnosis.html
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Brainwaves.html
I'm not pathological and I'm replying to this man contextually. I specifically mentioned that not taking someones will was a basic tenet of positive magick.A love spell is not a binding spell,nowhere on this website can such a similarity be found. A love spell is simply programmed energy with your desire. The quote your referencing is a quote about psychotherapy. An equivalence can be made with magick when magick is done on a normal person,but this equivalence cannot be made when both parties involved have had some semblance of spirituality.
Your understanding about this is inherently flawed since your equating modern psychotherapy with magick which is a technology thousands of years old where people we're spiritually advanced. I'll word in a simple way you can understand. Its true that in certain stages ,people are more susceptible to manipulation I.e making them do something against their will. But
different people have different experiences in trance and different people take different time getting into trance. Its very very hard to hypnotize some people while some get hypnotized immediately. Some people have trouble making affirmations work and for some they work without resistance. There are a lot of variables to consider and its not black and white.
The unconscious is where ones will is located. It is your sense of self at a soul level. That is why I said in the immediate quote that most people do not have a will so they will do as the witch commands as is his right under natural law. But someone who is experienced in meditation will have a strong sense of self. The unconscious barrier is extremely strong to outside influence. And there are small astral protections placed at specific points. That's why experienced meditators get premonitions that someone who is doing magick on them and can see visions of them. HPMaxine intuitively knew and confronted a Christian woman for praying for her. She didn't get affected by the mass hypnosis of the enemy thought form.
Similarly this man who has meditated does not have a weak unconscious. He has a sense of self and he can intuitively figure out who the magick practitioner is and what she's doing. He is not complete control. That is what I meant by the unconscious violently resisting the change. This is all contextual.
Listen unethical would be striping someone of their will. But there is nothing unethical when they do not have a will to begin with. Nature gives authority to the powerful to regulate the weak. There is no alternative. You cannot be powerful and not have order and control.
Think about a healing spell. Are you taking away someones will ? *Fuck you. I'm going to heal you by any means necessary. I don't give a fuck if you wanna be healed or not.* Similarly a positive magick like a love spell cannot be equated with bindings. And a spell on a normal person doesn't equate a spell on a spiritually experienced person.
So your understanding is flawed stemming from a place of inexperience as well as previous stereotypes about love magick. And do understand I never supported nor commented appreciating those portraits. Infact those portraits were exposed by HPHC through my topic after which I posted his comments on the original portrait topic and they got exposed.
No one claimed you were pathlogical, but now that you mention it you should check that out, since you can't seem to accept the fact that you're wrong when it is blyantly presented to you, either that or your interpretation of english is flawed.
I'm not sure exactly sure why you add so much unnecessary complication to something so simple.
You claimed that the unconscious mind is resistance to any sort of programming this is not true, it is open to programming and it blatantly says that on JOS, so unless you can get any quote from JOS or clergy to backup your claims what you're saying is quite literally disinfo and contradictory to what's written on JOS.
Another thing, you said that my quote refers to psychotherapy, again you're wrong, my quote refers to hypnotherapy that should've been obvious.
And again, another thing, you said the unconscious is where the will is located, again you're wrong, the will is located in the solar chakra this is blatantly stated on JOS.
https://www.satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Solar666Chakra_Meditation.html
the 'will' is the simply the influence that you exert, the unconscious does not exert influence, it takes in influence as it is receptive, it's blatantly stated in the 1st link that i sent you, again you really should read up on JOS.
what you mentioned about HPMaxine intuitively knowing something, yes this does deal with the unconscious because the unconscious is receptive and will sense this, but sensing something and resisting something are 2 different things, so what's your point here?
Again like i said, a binding is imposing your will onto something, i.e influencing them. but the key word here is 'imposing' i.e forcing.
you can influence them for the better or worse this is obvious, however an HP has already said that doing bindings onto SS is forbidden.
Just because you help someone doesn't mean that they wanted it, or if you can help someone it doesn't necessarily mean that they'll welcome the help.
My understanding literally comes from the JOS, unlike you spreading disinfo with no sources on JOS or clergy to back it up, experience is mostly irrelevant here as what i say is common logic that does not require experience not like you would even be able to gauge or deduce the amount of experience i have especially when you say noting but disinfo. and no i don't really care about the stereotypes of love magic, i'm not sure if you even knew but i had defended your points that you made on the previous topic about love spells, simply because i don't give a shit about the ethics involved and i said that if he felt like doing a love spell he should.
I also don't care if you supported the portraits or not i was speaking to OP not you.
so it was quite irreverent of you to even bring these up.