Gear88 said:
The fact that you are a thinker is very good in many ways, as I am too and also my Spiritual Satanist father is too, we have a way of first finding the mental comfort to proceed to the tasks. Understanding is the big factor in this, but as it shows this cultivated logical part of the brain always tries to take the lead when there must be a balance if I could say between the rational and irrational, masculine and feminine. The aspects that matter by a logical side of point is discipline of the mental and emotional ground and also the body. The means to achieve that said discipline varies from individual to individual as well as the end goal, of how and what is achieved varies too. You have to approach things on the feminine side more by the foundations of the masculine side.
When we talk about void as a meditation, as an inner working on the individual, it is first about disciplining the mental ground. When you say you are conscious about something, you acknowledge its existence and everything that holds as a characteristic of it, more or less, it is now part of your mental ground. You know. The exterior exchanges with the interior and reverse, and at the same time. This is communication on all levels, also in the emotional ground, even if its not perceived or not intense enough for you to memorize it. You as an organism and have a lot of processes and exchanges withing yourself, from the cells to more conscious aspect of organs. A lot of these exchanges are done continually without you as the whole knowing, as well as the thoughts that yourself have. An effort is to be made to first acknowledge these thoughts, thoughts are “spoken” by you to yourself.
“When the mind is thinking it is talking to itself” - Plato
So it is now a work of focusing on the present of your mental process. What do you think now? This implies a disruption of other duties that require your mind. You are working on it. You need to pursue the strings of your mind, as the thoughts are interconnected by the past memories, present and the projection of them in the future. This passive quality of self observation is to be cultivated for prolonged periods. It is done parallel to your repetitive mind, this is making yourself more conscious of yourself. An ironic part is that you from birth did this, but unconscious.
Now the nature and purpose of void meditation is that after being conscious of your thoughts in an expansive way, to take control of the processes, starting an active duty to control the mind. The whole goal is to acquire control of yourself, that means power. From complete observant you are now actively interacting with the thoughts. The thoughts that hold no importance to the goal of you, which is to be acquiring perfect focus, are to be disrupted, they are to be no longer existent .
The methods of doing that varies from person to person. What enables me to do that might disable you, or other. The method of other might not work on me etc. This holds no importance really as the evolving part of the individual, is always individual to many terms, even if it may hold common ground in many aspects, the subjective and different souls have different methods, different feelings..everything. So this should not create a conflict, as well as the achieved states some may share as the aspects are corresponding to the souls of individuals.
Conflicting made-expectations with reality is by not having a more vigorous and timed meditation of yourself, but it may also be a masked dissatisfaction of your current state associated with what other projected to be as superior. This holds no importance, forget about it. Expectations are good only with already done foundations. From these foundations, slowly but steady you uproot yourself, and the intuition part of you will show you how every level is to be in the close future.
So the methods are to be discovered by yourself, but the objective side is the same, you have to clean the thoughts. Having also expectations to an abstract future is bad, there are to be in a realism future, not an abstract one. Oh I will do it tomorrow, that is abstract, train yourself to know and condition yourself to do it in the future, that is a realism future.
If you don’t desire doing that, you won’t. If you desire and you still can’t control, you lack training. Training is never enough and never ends, but this can be check-pointed by setting goals of proved states or actions by the fruits you grow within yourself by this meditations of taking control and power meditation.
Void meditation develops a strong and a very conscious mind, everything in control of the individual. This enables the practitioner to have enormous leaps in power meditation, as the focus will enable more expansive cultivation of energies, of understanding and applying desires and thoughts. A trained mind without any other powers really, void meditation and chakra (or pointed) breathing adept will make if desired any glass object to break, or more correctly any bound between matters to break. This is how powerful can go a laser concentration with individual methods based on intention, and really this example is nothing and holds no importance to the other affairs bound to happen with this cultivated quality of the individual.
Now a trained mind with a relaxed body is to enter to different levels of trance. Trances as different states of being is also an individual aspect to the level of every level, if that makes sense. The body must be gradually put in a profound relaxation. The fact that you are having problems with deep breaths is something that you alone need to confront and resolve as it is something that you need to control fully and also be in comfort with it. Even with an untrained mind you can enter a deep trance, but as you stated you have a lot of stress that keeps you away. Expectations, mental stress and body feelings keep you away from achieving that.
“But funny enough it creates situations like falling asleep and whatnot” - well here you are on the right path as the key in this is to not sleep but to continue the same mechanism that got you into sleeping. Here comes the mind with the awareness and power to not subdue to some other thoughts that steal you into the sleep. What I use for me to get in to that state is awareness of my body, I pursue every feeling of my body and understand it. Lay down comfortable, use the breath as a focus and anchor your body to the breath. After making yourself cozy enough you proceed with the mind to parts of the body. Legs, how do they feel, relax them, leave every tension of them. What is tension in legs? I don’t know, contract the legs very hard then relax them, see the difference and the tension from before? Doing this on the upper body to even the tongue and facial muscles. This from maybe 10 minutes will take you with training to a minute or less. Now in this relaxed state you are to enter a trance, as the trance is past the breath, past the limited body feelings. You are to stay aware and still for a long time, or if you are smart to will to enter a trance, not by stress or forcing, but by diving into a feeling. You can rotate , you can try and make a falling effect, or wait it out. If you feel the energy, the pure feeling of energy in your body can be used to be focused on.
Doing the above many times imprints it as a button or feeling in you, that you can access and take it from there. You are ….like basically making a save file in your mind.
Trances are amazing, patience and time and dedication to achieve them are worth. You absolutely need to see for yourself what everything means, not what other said it is to himself. But make no mistake that the bliss, the “oneness”, mindfulness, astral projections, expansiveness etc “exists” in those states, but they are dependable on other things and categorization of aspects.
“ Look guys I'm a thinker I think wildly to maintain my level of existence” - when I first replied you I told you what I did as a 6 years old, that is achieved void by thoughts, by the mind.
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