Ciggarets and Alcohol

[Padme]

I have a question.
We all know alcohol and ciggarets are bad for both our Spritual and pyshical health.
But why did Ancient Pagans and Shamans use them in rituals; Such as Turco-Mongolian Shamans using ciggarets and followers of Dionysus using alcohol?

Thank you for all your answers

 

[Onbael_]

I think some things are allegorical, such as drinking the elixir from the chalice of life, while others may be probable slander or misinterpretation.

I do not think that an advanced being goes about consuming poisonous drinks or substances. An advanced being knows very well that he can reach altered states of mind through meditation. This is needed for certain operations.

At least that is my thought.

 

[AristocraticDragon666]

I have a question.
We all know alcohol and ciggarets are bad for both our Spritual and pyshical health.
But why did Ancient Pagans and Shamans use them in rituals; Such as Turco-Mongolian Shamans using ciggarets and followers of Dionysus using alcohol?

Thank you for all your answers

Some enemy cults, including in shamanism - in certain movements captured by the enemy, use drugs and toxic substances that create an illusion or gradually expand consciousness, but ultimately causing great harm to physical, spiritual and mental health.

 

[Tenebris]

I honestly think that these are either allegories, or rather things added hundreds or thousand of years later, as a way to corrupt knowledge.
Originally, Shamans and alike reached altered conciousness by going into a trance state through meditation. I think that the theory which states that they used some kind of substances or drugs are fabricated, and serve the purpose of making Shamans seem like as "barbarian, foolish and uncultured people", which is a pattern I noticed a lot when it comes to the ancient pagans. They were spiritually, culturally and scientifically advanced, yet they are oftentimes portrayed as barbarians to hide this fact.
Unfortunately a part of the remaining sources and informations are either completely fabricated or truth mixed in with a ton of lies. I believe this is the case here, because I doubt that spiritually advanced people who had full knowledge of the harmfulness of drugs and who had a close bond to the Gods would use substances. Similarly to this, in some places it remained as a belief and even taught in schools that Shamans appearently kidnapped children from their parents, never to be seen again (like wtf is this?), or they believed that they regularly sacrafied animals to the Gods, which is another fabricated thing.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

Yes, I agree.

The real sorcerers of old times only ever used power plants rarely, like on a one off, to show apprentices that the spirit world exists, I.e to get them to experience a heightened or psychic state of awareness (a point of perception).

And then they would get them to practice many meditative techniques to halt the alien thought-form from monopolising their minds.

Power plants like all drugs are very taxing on the body, they use up your jing reserve energy, and blast open the chakras, making them easy to be infiltrated by the thought-form parasite. This is why people sometimes get possessed when drunk or high on drugs or power plants. I know because it happened to me a few times.

Today- all these people calling themselves shamans are opening people up to the spirit world, and because the shaman themselves is really only in it for the money, their heart is not pure, they have no problem letting the parasite come into the ceremony, because they are already part of, and working for the parasitic hierarchy.

They do not hold space, because they are already possessed by the alien thought-form. These people are not healing, they are all just getting high and getting slowly possessed, but of course they won't admit it!

Real sorcerers, those with integrity and real knowledge, are extremely rare.

 

[Stormblood]

As others have said, no followers of Dionysos used alcohol. That is xtard misinterpretation. Alcohol was a very niche until the enemy took ever. It was only for the lowest strata of society as well because higher social classes understood it better and were more spiritually developed.

Smoking is the same. Another niche thing.

 

[Majestic Eagle]

As others have said, no followers of Dionysos used alcohol. That is xtard misinterpretation. Alcohol was a very niche until the enemy took ever. It was only for the lowest strata of society as well because higher social classes understood it better and were more spiritually developed.

Smoking is the same. Another niche thing.

yes, it is crazy how it is socially acceptable now to drink alcohol like it was grape juice, and the push for the legalization of many other drugs is even more so. It’s no wonder that most people are possessed to various degrees.

One may garnish some additional insights of awareness through the use of power plants, but you will end up being energetically linked or bound to an alien awareness.

SOBRIETY and MEDITATION , and STALKING of the alien awareness, i.e. the foreign internal dialogue, of which is not your own, is key for the advancement of a warrior of KNOWLEDGE.