NakedPluto said:
Leeges said:
I've never heard of this method before but it makes sense since you project out of the belly button. Usually I focus on my breath or do the "ladder" or "ascending" method with no results. Focusing on my solar plexus while going to sleep will help, eh? I will try this tonight. Sorry for the multi posts (phone posts).
It is a wholness of factors in advancement. Astral Projection needs more than willingness, such as the electric body of departure, hence the natural need of an energetic volume to be projected and also the councious projection.
Solar chakra fuels in excess (expansion) the astral body and can project it, as past a level you cannot inhabit so much energy. Either it is discharged, circulated and stored, or used in this way. Which again happens naturally.
Also if you are on high levels of electricity, the electric sea in the belly functional, astral projection can happen very often and most of the times as an accident, trying to sleep or just entering a trance you happen to leave the body.
To emphasize this and it is important for any other power, meditation, siddhhis, certain states of the being, ARE NOT TO BE PURSUED, DONE, LEARNED IN AND BY STRUGGLE. Do not struggle.
Opening the chakras takes time and cleaning. Creating and learning the volume of electricity by breathing exercises takes time. Striving for balance takes time. It takes natural flow to have your energies of the soul and body rise and flow. After and concurrent to all of this natural flow of the being and your sincere daily effort to advance and meditate, astral projection and other things happen involuntary, naturally. Not only it is not a struggle but it will be a happy accident.
Having the above said this does not mean to not train, have goals or pursue your inner desires in this. We all have specific tendencies, potentiality and capacity. However the above is the critical and primal focus that will get you there.
Focusing with supreme will to astral project can work to a degree.
Leaving the body is easy, not actually the important and hard part.
The maintaining of councious faculty, the control of your reaction and mind, your foresight in this. The movement and the distance, the volume of your reach. How much and to what degree are you able to have your senses fully functional in a none material substance. These are the questions and the whole and vast appliance that needs attention. Not just the curiosity and shock effect that must be forever overcome already when comes to actual practical actions to advance.
1. But they state for many conscious dreaming or consciously entering a dream is 100% or is it? And they state you project and I'm like "Is astral projection so conscious I'm as awake in the astral as real life? "Is Astral Projection such a conscious process that I'm literally awake only with this astral vehicle and not my body?"
These are the three main questions. Though I do provide background on these have what I like to call statement questions. For example re-reading my post below I ask "If a person is trained into trance and some have mentioned falling into trance too easily and or deepening. If a person is driving can they crash their car from drivers trance and falling too easily and deeply into a trance?
Is trance without danger? I know it's an innocent activity a natural activity we are in trances hundreds if not thousands of times a day but what if I'm doing an activity that requires great care such as driving?
Although you make a point of projecting through a chakra in this case the solar or as Maxine puts it on the mainsite through Center green heart.
Isn't it more that people who project just doing it consciously like a release? In other words inasmuch from studying Astral projection dating back to at least 1999-2000-2001 time period reading on lucid dreaming and people talking about AP.
Inasmuch they enter a trance, they might previously before trance perform PMR(Progressive Muscle Relaxation) and might stretch a bit beforehand the trance. From what I know a trance is required for projection but in reality the trance is more like an effort to fall asleep the body and let the mind stay sharp awakened. As far as I'm aware with people in various forums dating back to these similar forums like lucid dreaming/AP websites that still exist.
Inasmuch they enter a trance, perform some kind of hypnotic effect some are learned in self-hypnosis or perform countdown styles and fall down. As some have said some people train not to enter trance at will. But to enter trance after a cycle of countdowns and effects in essence triggering a trance.
I've often wondered if people who delve into trances and stay in trances for extended periods of time. What we would call as meditation i.e. trance meditation. Similar to mindfulness only with the goal to focus on training trance and not simply be an observer and meditate using the most basic meditation of watching the thoughts, examining the body, and feeling coarse or fine grain feelings. I've wondered if people who have a penchant for trance coupled with waking life if they fall into trance too easily or when a scenario happens they totally dive down deeper than normal.
For example driving produces drivers trance. But a person who is trained in trance can they have an issue whereby their in their car tranced to a deeper level than what is needed or required i.e. drivers psychic field as some have stated whereby we sorta drive at certain points almost like a psychic net.
But people who do enter trances, train themselves perform trigger cycles and count themselves down to trance at will at a specific trigger period as a safety measure sorta like a gun. They just load up into the astral.
For example the most common thing AP'ers state is the first time and a few times later everything is very difficult, at first, really once you release fear and perform the rocketship exercise as you get hypnogogic effects such as hearing someone go he's doing it. Or hearing loud sounds or crashes or vibrations and tones that sound like the whole room is ripping apart. People experience this they drive themselves into the astral vehicle.
And then poof they are in the dark room some have suggested AP'ing during the day like Robert Bruce who warned it's kinda scary being so alone in this realm. And people are like "okay no one is around, no voices, no entities". As people realize the astral is kinda lonely and even entities out there ignore you. There have been incidents with entities but most people are like okay this is weird these strangers don't interact with me.
Sheer fact is from what I read on Astral projection it seems most people launch their consciousness whether your a person who states the consciousness is tied to the brain/mind or the consciousness is filling the entire body hence thinking with the entirety of your being.
But all I know is people don't project from a chakra or even know how to do that. Or they inasmuch learn meditation can augment astral projection or make it easier or sensitize to this. Sheer fact is most people brute force AP either by mindfulness as some Yogi/Monks/Meditators have stated having out of body sensations or literally being outside only to be told focus on meditation and observe. Or the opposite people trance out they willfully come out and they come out like either a rocketship taking off with the entire room ripping itself apart only to launch out and be in total silence in their rooms audible noises. Or they perform a get up. The person is so stuck to their body or this acclimation of the astral vehicle out and the consciousness stuck to the body. That the person either they take off and go into the vehicle or the vehicle is stuck to their consciousness.
So in essence they get up literally instead of rocketing out. They get up from bed notice they are phasing through the bed sheets notice that their body is stuck to the bed and get up like normal only to project in a very absolutely confounding way. Some people are surprised by this and view this as a very normalized way of projecting either the person created the rocket incident for the first time or in essence they naturally acclimate their externalizing with getting up like nothing.
Accidental wise many have gotten up only to have their hand go through the door or disoriented at first maybe feeling sleepy walk through the door be in another room and like WTF I didn't open the door.
My biggest issue with astral projection besides training for it and learning all this stuff which I don't want to bother with. I'm surprised people train AP if they are so tired they just want to sleep. But besides training trance and trigger mechanisms and whatnot.
I've often wondered how conscious people are on trance. I've read of people having exceptional memory in lucid dreams even producing dreams whereby yeah they know their dreaming and yeah they can feel their physical vessel as I've had in a few lucid dreams.
But they state for many conscious dreaming or consciously entering a dream is 100% or is it?
I've always wondered with lucid I understand the dream unconscious state. But with astral projection it's the exact opposite rather you put the body to sleep but keep the mind awake.
And they state you project and I'm like "Is astral projection so conscious I'm as awake in the astral as real life?"
I read stories of people materializing objects or Robert Bruce's message on spiritual combat or whatever. And I'm like the simple question that no one has ever answered is
"Is Astral Projection such a conscious process that I'm literally awake only with this astral vehicle and not my body?"
For example if I project and return back to my body to integrate the experience do I remember everything. Does it become like a dream that fades away like shutting down the RAM memory of a computer. How much preservation of data from the entire HOURS some have spent in astral projection.
From everything I read I notice people write spectacular things. But when someone return back are they remembering like WHOA hell of a night I was awake and out of body for so many hours it's like I never slept I just stayed awake the whole time.
I do know people who've talked about AP and Robert Bruce I think did state something like perhaps at first and perhaps at certain points mental fatigue occurs and does make sense. You feel physically re-energized but the mind was not at rest or if it's at a resting point i.e. altered state it's consciously operating at a lower step than standard consciousness.
I've never gotten a straight answer from reading various lucid/AP sites that this stuff sticks with you. I hope that AP isn't like lucid dream whereby you have to write everything down to build a memory. And if you remember it feels like hours passed by and your barely remembering.
I'd love to astral project but when reading things like it takes weeks or months to do it. Or for most people bed time is when they can do it.
I literally have a million questions. For example something happens outside any normal person sleeping would hear it and wake up. But what if the person is AP'ing and they are off half-way across the Universe at a planet or dimension with some aliens hanging around.
Like I said I'd love to AP. To me sleeping and dreaming are huge wastes of times. Probably why I fell in love with Lucid dreaming and astral projection. Thinking back during my youth(back with getting the internet) going "Finally some activities I can do to escape this shitty life. It's just get up go to school piss away 8 hours of my life for 9 months a year only to come home defeated tired sick of all this school garbage non-sense".
To me LD/AP were hings I studied that made me go so there is a better World than this and I CAN experience a better life and do cool things and meet people and do all this stuff.
To me LD/AP sounded like the best thing in the World. After studying this stuff I did communicate with some friends about it and talked about and whatnot. And they were interested in it as well.
But I posses so much questions I've never met nor studied any person asking stuff.
Like for example as I said remembering, or writing down like LD, or being 100% conscious like real life. I'd simply like to understand if AP is simply a virtual continuation of my life only phased out of alignment of real life.
If I could I'd do it every day but then things like doubts come up or for example if a noise occurs or I'm being called do I snap awake do I recoil back at ultra speed. I've had dreams of being lucid waking up and feeling everything just blur out and pull back like something out of the matrix or something only to fade to black and wake up and barely remember the dream. I knew I was dreaming and have the sensation but the very dream itself poof gone have to remember it throughout the day.
Either way most people I think don't project from chakras or whatever rather they just trick their body in reacting into falling asleep and launching out or getting up like normal. Another technique is rolling out you just roll side to side and roll out inducing projection induction.
Most people probably ignorantly project without any spiritual backing or spiritual framework they just do it like a scientist without metaphysical training. I mean I know we are training a metaphysical effort but at the same time people do it without any technicalities or spiritual powers or development of spiritual powers. In essence people inasmuch project solely as a mechanism tricking their bodies and working with their soul. Whether they realize it's a spiritual phenomena or not.
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You can use this as a goal to achieve, and as you are doing all of the other required skills, you will know that you are working for something you want.
