Are we Zevists publicly?

[Tryx13]

I have 2 questions about the new changes. First and foremost I am so happy to see our evolution and very proud to be a Zevist! However, I understand we were to remain anonymous as SS with our recent changes is it safe to tell publicly I am a Zevist?

My next question… I know it was mentioned on ToZ that there has been many names over the years we refer to father as, most in which just change per language and region. The people I am close to believe I am a pagan. I have told them I worship pagan gods and celebrate pagan holidays nothing more. Since the Greek Gods and Pagan Gods are practically the same?? Forgive my ignorance if not so but to my understanding they are the same just different languages. Should I remain “pagan” to those I know and publicly or should I bring my change to a Zevist to light?

Thank you for your help in advance!

Hail Zeus!!

 

[Seeker in the Dark]

Greek Gods are Pagan Gods. I assume you meant Greek and Roman. Yes, all Gods from all Gentile Pagan cultures are the same Gods, but the names, symbolic roles and other things may change here and there.

Do not tell anyone publicly you are a Zevist. Anyone who bothers to research it for a few minutes will see our past Satanic identity as well as the things we say about jews. You will still get labelled a "Satanist Nazi", and trust me, you don't want that label of you from anyone, not even a single person, as there's a chance it could spread. The consequences could vary from very unpleasant to life-threatening. The 100% way to win this roulette game is to not play it.

It's fine publicly in the West to be seen as a Pagan, but do not mention TOZ or that you are a Zevist. Simply say you worship the Gods, and that's it, if pressed for details, just say you are aligned with nature and love everyone. Lib normies love that stuff.

Ideally, going with the "non-religious" label is best in my opinion. That's what I do. Staying out of religious and even political discussions with those who are without is the best approach. It's generally a waste of time at best and bad for your reputation at worst.

 

[Tryx13]

I also would like to add I am much more proficient in the pagan gods, I am very willing to put my time into researching the Greek side. But is it blasphemous to fathers name if I kept using Norse terms such as Thor etc… or is it technically the same and father will know it is still him I am referring to just in a tradition I am more familiar with?

 

[Helleniser]

However, I understand we were to remain anonymous as SS with our recent changes is it safe to tell publicly I am a Zevist?

It's still not wise to do call yourself a Zevist publicly, even if it doesn't evoke the same slander as when identifying as a "Satanist". But if you have some loyal people who you believe have Daemonic potential, go for it, but be careful who you trust. Place your trust where it deserves to be placed and you will guide a soul to the Gods. This was near impossible under the term "Satanist".

Since the Greek Gods and Pagan Gods are practically the same??

Yes, they are.

 

[serpentwalker666]

I have 2 questions about the new changes. First and foremost I am so happy to see our evolution and very proud to be a Zevist! However, I understand we were to remain anonymous as SS with our recent changes is it safe to tell publicly I am a Zevist?

My next question… I know it was mentioned on ToZ that there has been many names over the years we refer to father as, most in which just change per language and region. The people I am close to believe I am a pagan. I have told them I worship pagan gods and celebrate pagan holidays nothing more. Since the Greek Gods and Pagan Gods are practically the same?? Forgive my ignorance if not so but to my understanding they are the same just different languages. Should I remain “pagan” to those I know and publicly or should I bring my change to a Zevist to light?

Thank you for your help in advance!

Hail Zeus!!

Stay with the statement of being a pagan if it is safe to do so in your social circle and doesn't case issues for you.

As for more restrictive places, like Islamic nations, say whatever you must. If you have to say you are a devout Muslim or christian then it's better to say this then to be stoned to death or sliced up with a machete. The Gods completely understand.

 

[WoadWarrior]

No it isnt safe yet, just say your Pagan thats what I and many others do, in fact I was doing it even when we were JoS, its not even a lie its just being vague.

 

[Hs666]

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You can tell others that you are Hellenic. I already tried it, and people didn't react, some thought it was a joke, and they didn't believe it. Some have no idea what you are talking about. But the reaction was not problematic. Most fell silent since they have no “connections” to clash over.

I had more problems when I said I was “atheist” or “agnostic” because they tried to convert me to their religion.

That doesn't mean you can say that to all people, always remain “low key,” because TOZ is expanding through the advances we are bringing on the spiritual and physical level, and some may associate and understand that Zeus is Satan, and attack you for that, by default pattern.

Yes, Greek culture is included in the “pagan” definition.

 

[Tryx13]

You can tell others that you are Hellenic. I already tried it, and people didn't react, some thought it was a joke, and they didn't believe it. Some have no idea what you are talking about. But the reaction was not problematic. Most fell silent since they have no “connections” to clash over.

I had more problems when I said I was “atheist” or “agnostic” because they tried to convert me to their religion.

That doesn't mean you can say that to all people, always remain “low key,” because TOZ is expanding through the advances we are bringing on the spiritual and physical level, and some may associate and understand that Zeus is Satan, and attack you for that, by default pattern.

Yes, Greek culture is included in the “pagan” definition.

Thank you, I would also like to ask about my statement below, I tried to add this but it has not posted yet as it is awaiting moderator approval. “I would like to add I am much more proficient in the pagan gods, I am very willing to put my time into researching the Greek side. But is it blasphemous to fathers name if I kept using Norse terms such as Thor etc… or is it technically the same and father will know it is still him I am referring to just in a tradition I am more familiar”

 

[Hs666]

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Yes, you can call Zeus by His other names.

 

[Disciple of the Serpent]

I have 2 questions about the new changes. First and foremost I am so happy to see our evolution and very proud to be a Zevist! However, I understand we were to remain anonymous as SS with our recent changes is it safe to tell publicly I am a Zevist?

My next question… I know it was mentioned on ToZ that there has been many names over the years we refer to father as, most in which just change per language and region. The people I am close to believe I am a pagan. I have told them I worship pagan gods and celebrate pagan holidays nothing more. Since the Greek Gods and Pagan Gods are practically the same?? Forgive my ignorance if not so but to my understanding they are the same just different languages. Should I remain “pagan” to those I know and publicly or should I bring my change to a Zevist to light?

Thank you for your help in advance!

Hail Zeus!!

We are the higher level of Paganism, as you can see on the Virtues.

Life Ethics - Pagan Brotherhood XIV

About telling others, I don't know who I can trully trust longterm, but I know that I have to avoid talking about any Pagan thing with abrahamic cultists around, especially in higher muslim population countries. They are violent and dangerous, others can just become obsessive and annoying, like xtians.

In normal circustances I don't see anything negative in worshiping Zeus, from an external point of view.

 

[Henu the Great]

I would be, but I won't be parading this to everyone because not everyone is receptive to religious things to begin with. But at least now we do not have to hide any longer. Some choose to, and it's their decision.

 

[Deadly Nightshade]

I have 2 questions about the new changes. First and foremost I am so happy to see our evolution and very proud to be a Zevist! However, I understand we were to remain anonymous as SS with our recent changes is it safe to tell publicly I am a Zevist?

My next question… I know it was mentioned on ToZ that there has been many names over the years we refer to father as, most in which just change per language and region. The people I am close to believe I am a pagan. I have told them I worship pagan gods and celebrate pagan holidays nothing more. Since the Greek Gods and Pagan Gods are practically the same?? Forgive my ignorance if not so but to my understanding they are the same just different languages. Should I remain “pagan” to those I know and publicly or should I bring my change to a Zevist to light?

Thank you for your help in advance!

Hail Zeus!!

I have told people that I am a spiritual satanist since I moved out of my parent’s house. I don’t want to create bonds with people who won’t accept me for who I truly am and I am completely fine polarizing myself from them to protect my energy. Do what thou wilt and call yourself whatever you want to.

 

[FrostGaze]

However, I understand we were to remain anonymous as SS with our recent changes is it safe to tell publicly I am a Zevist?

No. Because one of the people you tell may google that term and find the Temple of Zeus page from Wikipedia which says it used to be called Joy of Satan and be like "Aha, so you're a devil-worshipper using a Greek name as a front!".

Do what thou wilt and call yourself whatever you want to.

"Do what thou wilt" doesn't mean what you think. This phrase originated from Crowley, and according to his books it means "do your True Will (higher purpose)". Not "do whatever you want".

A prevalent misinterpretation of ‘Do What Thou Wilt’ is the notion that it endorses unrestrained hedonism without regard for ethical or moral considerations. This interpretation often stems from a superficial reading of Aleister Crowley’s work, neglecting its deeper philosophical context.

Crowley intended it as a call for individuals to discover and follow their true purpose or ‘True Will,’ not as an excuse for licentious behavior.

Common misconceptions include:

• Equating it solely with self-indulgence: Overlooking its spiritual and philosophical dimensions.
• Ignoring the concept of True Will: Misunderstanding the term as mere personal desire.
• Assuming moral relativism: Believing it rejects all ethical frameworks.

Such misinterpretations can obscure the nuanced intentions behind the phrase.

 

[OttoHart]

I'm personally not public about being a "member of the organization of the Temple of Zeus". I suppose it would be safer nowadays, and it's not like there's a rule against this, but I don't really think it would bring any benefits. Only a couple very close friends and my wife know about my allegiance to ToZ, and even this I did after extensive screening, poking and prodding.

I am, however, public about being a Hellenist, and this is obviously fine. In circles which are more spiritual oriented, or with some less close friends (all of whom are at least relatively interested in spirituality and religion), I am known as an "Eclectic Pagan centered on Hellenism and the Vedas". Which, well, is accurate.


I think we are definitely moving closer towards a time where we can be fully public about things, but there might be some time left until then.
The biggest hurdle, at least in the western world, is "politics". While we are not political at all, our disagreement with the publicly approved narrative of NS Germany and our staunch disagreement with abrahamic religion as a valid religious movement, still makes us be considered dangerous extremists.

Maybe, over time, the perception of these notions will change and what we say will not be quite as much of a "hot take" (or, at least, not literally illegal even in most "civilized" countries).
Or, maybe, over time, people will see that our focus wasn't on anti-abrahamism or support of NS Germany as a core tenet, but rather on spiritual concepts and the original religions of humanity, which simply led to these conclusions about "sensible matters", and our hate for these opinions will blow over.
I'm confident one of these, or some other thing that allows us to have a "clean reputation", will happen within a couple years.
But not right now.