Advanced liars

[Jrvan]

Most people are aware that the enemy mixes truth with lies to sell a lie more effectively to people. However, this isn't the only way to weaponize the truth and use it to tell lies.

What you need to be aware of is that even people here, whether they do it accidentally or intentionally, might sometimes speak a message that sounds true to you, or contains a lot of truth within it, but it's not aimed at presenting a point or suggestion that is true. You have to look at the whole of the message and what it means overall when it's considered in its entirety.

You also need to consider the context in which it is being said, why it's being said, and what the person is trying to really say with their message. Putting elements of truth in the message, or pretending to preach a truthful message for the supposed betterment or enlightenment of others, could just be window dressing for what they are truly saying or suggesting. For what purpose are they speaking the truth there? What is the truth being used for, truly, and what is the intent behind saying it? You always need to be mindful of these things, or else you will almost certainly fall prey to manipulation.

Some of the most effective and most malicious liars can even program your mind subliminally by convincing you to accept the entirety of their message because they impressed you with the pretty words and the element of truth in their message that resonated with you. If you accept all of it and affirm the entire message to be true without careful discernment then you risk having your subconscious beliefs altered without you even realizing it.

Just because we have a very cleansed space mostly saturated with truth here doesn't mean you can let your guard down. You must always guard your mind against lies and subtle manipulation. It can take a trained mind to see these things clearly which comes from discipline and learning what to look for.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

True indeed,

Especially this:

You also need to consider the context in which it is being said, why it's being said, and what the person is trying to really say with their message. Putting elements of truth in the message, or pretending to preach a truthful message for the supposed betterment or enlightenment of others, could just be window dressing for what they are truly saying or suggesting. For what purpose are they speaking the truth there? What is the truth being used for, truly, and what is the intent behind saying it?

Understanding the intent, the context and considering the entire message as a whole rather than only a few select parts too is very important, both to avoid manipulation and subliminal deception, as well as to avoid misunderstandings between people.

Not letting ones own perception cloud ones judgement, but practicing impartial judgement is important to discern truth from falsehood as well to recognize deception and manipulation, and to discover the intent behind someone's message.

Working with ones opened third eye to read and examine information and the words of others, to see through the Satanic Eye as it is often called, is key here, especially to avoid subliminal manipulation and deception which the enemy employs.

For the dedicated Satanist whose third eye is open, it is easy to catch manipulation and advanced deception, especially with practice and daily meditation.

One cannot be deceived or manipulated past a point as long as one has a well functioning third eye.

This is part of the reason why opening the chakra's begins with the third eye, so the beginner practitioner can more easily detach from the enemy sphere of influence and free their subconscious mind from all deceptions and delusions by opening up their ability to discern truth in all things.

Both astral deception as well as information deception and social deception reveal themselves blatantly to one who has trained their third eye, and impartial judgement becomes second nature, as the third eye allows ones perception to pierce through all falsehood including that from ones own self.


The solution to the proposed idea of advanced lies/deception, is spiritual openness, and empowering the third eye.

Hail Satan!

 

[Jrvan]

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There are also tried and true methods one can learn so they know what to look out for. The enemies have their methods of deception (which can also be employed by Gentiles), and learning to see through their tricks doesn't necessarily require a spiritual eye even if it helps a ton. Recognition can come through repetitive exposure and learning. You just get wise to things over time.

The third eye can bring you information, but do you know what it means, how to analyze and interpret it properly, what to do with it - and also how much of the information perceived by the third eye does one understand? One can understand more with greater amounts of experience and advancement. For example, how much more do the Gods understand of what they perceive with their third eyes compared to what we understand with our third eyes?

I personally advocate learning and experience. With more experience, you can understand more of what is perceived both by the physical eyes and the spiritual sight.

 

[tabby]

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I thought raising the serpent is what discerns truth from lies? Opening the third eye helps to reduce being fooled but I thought that unless one raised their serpent they are not infallible to being manipulated and deceived.

 

[tabby]

I thought raising the serpent is what discerns truth from lies? Opening the third eye helps to reduce being fooled but I thought that unless one raised their serpent they are not infallible to being manipulated and deceived.

I think I used "infallible" wrong here. "Immune" would be a better word choice... whoops.

 

[Voice of Enki [JG]]

I thought raising the serpent is what discerns truth from lies? Opening the third eye helps to reduce being fooled but I thought that unless one raised their serpent they are not infallible to being manipulated and deceived.

I think I used "infallible" wrong here. "Immune" would be a better word choice... whoops.

I can say from personal experience that rising the serpent is not required to be immune to deception. However this immunity is relative. I explain below.

I did mention to reach the state where one can pierce all falsehood including from ones own self requires a trained third eye. It can be done through training the third eye and utilizing it. One will master that way before the Serpent rises (a certain level of that is required to even be able to begin working with the serpent).

The most challenging deception to overcome is self deception, falsehood from the own self.

External deception can be overcome with relatively small advancement, opening the chakra's and having a well functioning third eye is enough.

As for seeing truth from falsehood, this can also be done consciously by using the third eye. When it is active and trained, you will even subconsciously pick up on things and be directed towards truth (either through finding knowledge required to quell ones ignorance, or through psychic means).

The state you are referring to is the state of atman consciousness after the serpent is fully risen, which is a different state beyond the immunity to deception.


To explain how the immunity to deception, or the ability to pierce falsehoods and discern truths is relative;

This may sound strange, but there are different levels of truth to obtain. One can reach a state where an "all" is known, but there is a greater "all" still beyond of which the "all" one can perceive and discern is only an infinite small part.

In effect, the absolute true essence of things cannot be perceived even with a newly attained Atman state of mind. I do not know what state of mind or level is required. Perhaps Satan can, or perhaps even he cannot.

The "all" I was referring to in which the third eye alone before the rising of the serpent can allow one to perceive, contains all of what is within ones perceptive reach before the Atman consciousness can be attained.

The deception of the enemy and the deception Jrvan mentioned is included within that. All things on the "human"/"earthly" level are, and can be perceived or discerned through the third eye alone.

However, there are more things beyond that "all". It was not meant to be a literal "all" in the absolute sense.


The atman consciousness state allows one to subconsciously discern all truths and falsehoods, and know beyond ones capacity of knowledge through observing all things in their true essence.

Reality is observed in its true essence. The things one can know and see at that level are impossible to really explain in any simpler terms, and cannot be realized or understood without the Atman state.

That said, the "all" here is also not absolute. As ones consciousness expands, all that which is within reach of ones perception, that is, the world available to ones awareness, is what can be perceived.

Within the reach of ones perception all can be realized, deception can be seen through and truth can be grasped.

This applies always, it is one the things which relates to "as above, so below", it is the case for the Gods and for us.

As there are different levels of truth one can perceive, there is a whole range of truths which the mind cannot obtain without reaching the sufficient level of advancement.

You understand all that, however because I didn't explain that very well I wrote it here for context.

Hail Satan!

 

[tabby]

I thought raising the serpent is what discerns truth from lies? Opening the third eye helps to reduce being fooled but I thought that unless one raised their serpent they are not infallible to being manipulated and deceived.

I think I used "infallible" wrong here. "Immune" would be a better word choice... whoops.

I can say from personal experience that rising the serpent is not required to be immune to deception. However this immunity is relative. I explain below.

I did mention to reach the state where one can pierce all falsehood including from ones own self requires a trained third eye. It can be done through training the third eye and utilizing it. One will master that way before the Serpent rises (a certain level of that is required to even be able to begin working with the serpent).

The most challenging deception to overcome is self deception, falsehood from the own self.

External deception can be overcome with relatively small advancement, opening the chakra's and having a well functioning third eye is enough.

As for seeing truth from falsehood, this can also be done consciously by using the third eye. When it is active and trained, you will even subconsciously pick up on things and be directed towards truth (either through finding knowledge required to quell ones ignorance, or through psychic means).

The state you are referring to is the state of atman consciousness after the serpent is fully risen, which is a different state beyond the immunity to deception.


To explain how the immunity to deception, or the ability to pierce falsehoods and discern truths is relative;

This may sound strange, but there are different levels of truth to obtain. One can reach a state where an "all" is known, but there is a greater "all" still beyond of which the "all" one can perceive and discern is only an infinite small part.

In effect, the absolute true essence of things cannot be perceived even with a newly attained Atman state of mind. I do not know what state of mind or level is required. Perhaps Satan can, or perhaps even he cannot.

The "all" I was referring to in which the third eye alone before the rising of the serpent can allow one to perceive, contains all of what is within ones perceptive reach before the Atman consciousness can be attained.

The deception of the enemy and the deception Jrvan mentioned is included within that. All things on the "human"/"earthly" level are, and can be perceived or discerned through the third eye alone.

However, there are more things beyond that "all". It was not meant to be a literal "all" in the absolute sense.


The atman consciousness state allows one to subconsciously discern all truths and falsehoods, and know beyond ones capacity of knowledge through observing all things in their true essence.

Reality is observed in its true essence. The things one can know and see at that level are impossible to really explain in any simpler terms, and cannot be realized or understood without the Atman state.

That said, the "all" here is also not absolute. As ones consciousness expands, all that which is within reach of ones perception, that is, the world available to ones awareness, is what can be perceived.

Within the reach of ones perception all can be realized, deception can be seen through and truth can be grasped.

This applies always, it is one the things which relates to "as above, so below", it is the case for the Gods and for us.

As there are different levels of truth one can perceive, there is a whole range of truths which the mind cannot obtain without reaching the sufficient level of advancement.

You understand all that, however because I didn't explain that very well I wrote it here for context.

Hail Satan!

If I'm understanding this properly, that would mean that each of us advancing on this path will be at different levels of "immunity" (so to speak). Some might even have a head start from past lives, and for others, perhaps their soul is more experienced in seeing certain types of deception and lies more so than other types. Like, if one is naturally good at uncovering inner deception but not outward deception, and vice versa, or enemy lies vs your own lies, etc.

So a completed immunity to deception and lies would come once someone has raised their serpent and achieved a high enough level of advancement, but prior to that there are levels of "incomplete" immunity, as one trains themselves and overcomes dross and karma, that can be slowly obtained over time.