Shael said:
FancyMancy said:
I recall a member saying that they wish to not have Children because this World is too shit to raise Children. That is defeatist and weak. I think it is justified to censure that member for their decision, regardless of where they live.
That's the most retarded thing I have heard in a long time. Nobody should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do. Writing statements like this shows you are clearly quite fucked in the head about these things, and that you don't seem to grasp the fundamental values of Satanism properly at all. You honestly should be ashamed of even allowing yourself to type this out and post this, as it's disgraceful to have statements like this on the forums by a long-time member.
FancyMancy said:
Not to mention it has been said I think by HPS Maxine that homosexuals will need - be obligated - to procreate. That is not a "sacrifice" in the slightest. In fact, it is not only obligatory but it is also an honour and a privilege to help the White Race survive.
At most, there may be a
feeling of obligation. And some of these people may CHOOSE to do this, out of their own free will, and perhaps there may be financial incentives towards doing these things. But no forcing will ever take place in any way about these things, as that would be utterly disgusting and go against free will of the people.
Perhaps I didn't explain it correctly.
Well, we'll just die-out, then. I also said obligate, not force. They are synonyms, but I chose the word. Once they see that they are the 1 White person in their neighbourhood or estate, they might think twice about bending over for BBC or shariah rape "law". They, I hope, would be compelled - long before they realise and notice that they are only 1 White person among non-Whites - into defending their White Race also in terms of numbers, and making sure it doesn't die-out, and by extension so that the rest of the World - Black and Asian Races - do not become enslaved. Ignorant people - or sheeple - are working towards their own extinction/enslavement. Apparently, I don't know what Spiritual Satanism - about free choice and free will and individuality and justice and defence and strength and pride and empowerment, etc., etc., etc. - is because I say that my Race should defend itself and certain types of my Race should join in in increasing our numbers, and for me comdenming someone's words that they say they choose, or chose, to not increase our numbers to prevent extinction. Is there justice and morals and ethics and right in ignoring the very real danger of extinction,
becoming extinct,
being extinct - and more so, sitting by idly, knowing that you can give numbers to help defend us, but choosing not to because of choice?
Forgive the old adage, but desperate times call for us to not give a fuck - literally, so that we don't have Babies, so that we die-out. So it seems, I don't know what Spiritual Satanism is because X Spiritual Satanist Person wants to do this, that, or the other in their life, in their individuality, whether that be legal or illegal; moral or immoral; ethical or unethical; right or wrong; mighty or weak;
übermensch-y or
untermensh-y... and that is not OK for them to do that in their individuality because of morals and others' decisions (and dare I say - opinions) and cliquéy-ness, but then when something infinitely more important is happening on very real terms - facing extinction - it is still immoral and wrong and offensive and upsetting to either get us to prevent that extinction, or to merely
mention getting us to prevent that extinction. Let's just die-out, then, or make it increasingly more and more difficult for us to survive.
Please don't tell me that
this is the struggle which Lord Hitler spoke about...
Ors666 said:
FancyMancy said:
Whites need to have White Babies. I recall a member saying that they wish to not have Children because this World is too shit to raise Children. That is defeatist and weak. I think it is justified to censure that member for their decision, regardless of where they live. Not to mention it has been said I think by HPS Maxine that homosexuals will need - be obligated - to procreate. That is not a "sacrifice" in the slightest. In fact, it is not only obligatory but it is also an honour and a privilege to help the White Race survive.
What about hybrids?
What about them? (For unknown reasons, your quoting me didn't work and it didn't ping me.) If by "hybrids" you mean mixed-Race Babies, then that also wouldn't work. Obviously Black and Black = Black Baby, Asian and Asian = Asian Baby; White and White = White Baby; but if I remember it correctly from which I think a member posted it (I am guessing from a sermon also), then Black and White = Black Baby; Black and Asian = Black Baby; Asian and White = Asian Baby. Asian genes are dominant over White genes and Black genes are dominant over Asian genes, and therefore also over White genes, of course.
Goldenage18 said:
FancyMancy said:
Whites need to have White Babies. I recall a member saying that they wish to not have Children because this World is too shit to raise Children. That is defeatist and weak. I think it is justified to censure that member for their decision, regardless of where they live. Not to mention it has been said I think by HPS Maxine that homosexuals will need - be obligated - to procreate. That is not a "sacrifice" in the slightest. In fact, it is not only obligatory but it is also an honour and a privilege to help the White Race survive.
I don't recall Hps Maxine writing this statement, instead Hp Jake wrote that and soon after corrected it by saying that no third sex will be obligated to procreate
It makes more sense that it would have been HP Jake, so thanks for that. I also didn't see the correction, so thanks also for that.
Personal Growth said:
FancyMancy said:
Whites need to have White Babies. I recall a member saying that they wish to not have Children because this World is too shit to raise Children. That is defeatist and weak. I think it is justified to censure that member for their decision, regardless of where they live. Not to mention it has been said I think by HPS Maxine that homosexuals will need - be obligated - to procreate. That is not a "sacrifice" in the slightest. In fact, it is not only obligatory but it is also an honour and a privilege to help the White Race survive.
I see you're well fired up to fight for our race. And it's really atrocious what's happening to us.
But you want to censor a member for thinking that the world is too degenerated to bring children into.
Not censor; censure.
censure
verb
express severe disapproval of (someone or something), especially in a formal statement.
"the company was heavily censured by inspectors from the Department of Trade"
Similar:
condemn
Opposite:
praise
commend
noun
the formal expression of severe disapproval.
"two MPs were singled out for censure"
Similar:
condemnation
Mate to censor someone for their opinion is to act like those anti fascist fascists.
There are circumstances and situations that people take into consideration.
I see a trend of where white people think about their careers and business. And put off having children and then reduce the population by only having one child.
The coloured races tend to make numerous babies and increase the population. And still have copious children even under poverty circumstances.
And then they point at the small white family and say look at their nice house. They have privilege because they're white.
No, the whites practiced self control and planning.
Anyway mate. Just thought maybe we should open discussions and educate people instead of just shutting them down.
It is a universal difference in the mentality towards children by the different races.
White people plan these things better. And because of this lockdown whites will make less babies.
A colleague said we will have a baby boom in nine months.
Not whites I don't think because whites are thinking about economy and there being virus at hospitals.
So there will be some more Whites but a lot more non-Whites? So Whites are not having Babies and non-Whites are? So Whites are becoming more and more closer to extinction because some of these White Babies definitely will grow-up and mix with non-Whites? Let's all sit down and talk about increasing our numbers slowly while others are increasing theirs drastically. "There is safety in numbers." The White Soul has its own strengths, and taking too long to go about saving our Race is all talk and no - or very little - action.
Way_Seeker666 said:
FUCKING FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY WHILE YOU CAN AND HOWEVER YOU CAN.
Except if it means to actually increase your numbers because muh ch0ice, apparently.
I think the bottom line is that the White Race could die-out, and "we must do our duty". More Souls = more power, and we can and will teach our Children to be Spiritual Satanists, upon their personal decision to dedicate - and we must implore our Children to dedicate, just as...as seems to be necessary...we must implore our Race to stop not giving a fuck, and instead defend itself with numbers; and we can use more Soul Power and Mind Power from these numbers of Babies to increase prospects and potential for not only the White Race but for the entire Human Races on Earth and to eradicate and remove the jew from existence here on all levels, in all ways. Then, also, of course, push-back the jew's overlords and other enemies of us away from our Solar System.
Not force, but oblige, something less than forcing - a Racial, moral,
survival obligation, perhaps made to feel very guilty strongly, so as to move them into action. If incentives are required, then those who need to be incentivised might not be worthy; they should protect their own self and Race irrespective of incentives. "Yeah. I see your point. The White Race is <1% of the entire formerly-White continents, but what's in it for me? Why should I help my Race not become extinct? Why should I care? The damage has been done, and it's beyond repair now. It's too late. It's past the point of no return. My Race has burnt its bridges and cannot go back. Y0L0 and I'll be dead in 100 years, so why bother? Why should
I bother?" Is this the same as Lucifuge Rofocale's Planet, who didn't give a shit?! It has been said before, but I'm going to put a negative/hostile - but blunt - spin on it - Whites are/have become too weak, sensitive, sentimental and soft. I do expect, however, that since the situation is so extreme and important, that incentives of one form or another would be enacted, and those who need to be incentivised to keep their own Race safe and secure from extinction might be forgiven for needing to be incentivised to do the correct things. It might be retarded, fucked in the head, shameful, disgraceful and disgusting to enforce, or less-than-enforce people to do things to make sure you/they/we don't die-out, but I think that it is much more retarded, fucked in the head, shameful, disgraceful and disgusting that some need to be incentivised to make sure that we don't die-out.
Regarding HP Jake's self-correction - I am still not certain that I agree with that, though, to a certain extent. There cannot be force, because if we die-out because we don't want to give numbers to keep ourselves in existence, then that's fine with everyone if we become extinct - "It was a fun ride while it lasted; all of our efforts have gone to waste; 100 thousand years of Humanity down the jew's golden toilet"... but it should still be encouraged strongly; our numbers should still increase - and quickly. If Satanic Souls have been, and are being, reincarnated during these decades, then more White Souls surely will also be Satanic Souls, and they most-certainly can help a
hell of a lot, pun not intended. Along that line - have there been many Black and Asian Spiritual Satanic Souls being born? Once we have those standing up and actually defending their respective Races, while at the same time defending the White Race respectfully, along Spiritual Satanic and National Socialist terms, then things would start to improve. That would give the White Race a bit of leeway and breathing room.
From what it looks like, only a small number of Whites are going to procreate enough, and possibly have their own neighbourhoods, estates, communities or areas where they are themselves with each other - along with more non-Whites being flooded-in. They will grow slowly, but will be subjugated under the non-Whites, as has been happening already. Seeing as we know that the jew speaks in levels of understanding and meaning, and of course also code, we could take the biblical scripture that some people will live underground to keep themselves safe and protected - christians - or White people - will be needing to be on the black market (
RACISM!) and be without the microchip, so they will be underground in literal terms as well as metaphoric terms.
Only on the very brink of extinction will something good happen and we'll be alright, finally, and "they all lived happily ever after". It sounds so much like a typical hollywood disaster film or other 45-minute episode of something, where right at the very end, success happens and everything is all OK again; or when an underdog is in a race and they are losing and there is no possible way that they could ever win, somehow they
just happen to manage to win the race against all seen and unseen odds. If I wanted to let my imagination run wild, I'd say that this all is a big, elaborate contrivance; and if I actually believed even the smallest iota of it, I might include "we're living in a simulation", as well.
uke:
I have become a bit upset in this here. I will still say it anyway. Also similarly to some of my posts regarding possible difficult or unusual 'out-there' questions which I ask sometimes, this can be considered one of them. I also realise that I think I have not made sense in some of this, or I have answered myself in other posts before, but I'll still keep it all in.
In a potentially-highly-offensive way, I say - one could ask (and some have already, in one way or another) why did the Gods and Goddesses go to so many Planets and empower and advance them, to then just go away and let them fend for themselves, to then just have them be, or leave them to be, fucked-up and fucked about and fucked over by the enemies of the Gods and Goddesses. Did the Gods and Goddesses bite off more than They could chew - and why so? Did They not have the foresight? Perhaps They did and this is the least-shit option? Was it a "gift of life from 'god'" that the Gods and Goddesses took it upon Themselves to empower and advance apes into Man, against our will or wishes? Was it that because we were so low back then that this could be done, that They could do this, but now since we are not as low as that anymore (believe it or don't), They are no longer "allowed" or able to or want to? "You're on your own now." Once we had our first breaths and thoughts of higher conscience and thinking, were we mortally-terrified? I know no-one will answer some of these questions, and instead give indirect near-answers, thoughts of what might help to explain them; we must remain ignorant and believe - or dare I say, "have faith", instead.
Why, then, since They came and did this to us, can we not all-but-force, or actually-force, Whites to defend themselves? Those who are stronger than us came down to us and improved us, but we can't, on our own level, improve us? Is there no such thing as parallel/same-level shifting; it's either always only up or down? (We certainly can't punch above our weight and force the Gods and Goddesses or other Beings or beings to do things.) It's a sad, heart-wrenching story (or stated incidents; I have not seen an actual story or account with great detail; we just have to fill-in the blanks) that Lucifuge Rofocale's Planet bent over before the jew (I am presuming Lucifuge Rofocale is White; maybe His Race bent-over before BBCs, as well as before the jew, on His Planet...), but we still are obligated to allow people to exercise their own free will and free choice and individuality and decisions to make Babies to keep us alive...or not to do so.
It's OK for a member to refuse to give Babies to the White Race to make sure that the White Race exists, but it's not OK for a member to not do the RtRs/F-RtR. Wow. Let's be religious and say "my christian denomination is better than your christian denomination because re@s0ns", yeah? Hypocrite much?! So in my Spiritual Satanist journey or life or path or whatever beautiful buzzwords that anyone might want to use, that I might be inclined to want to enforce, or at least very strongly encourage - White procreation to ensure the survival of the White Race - that is not "allowed", because I want to be an individual and do my own thing, making my own choices, and I want to make sure Whites exist... but it's not "allowed" because others also have their own wants and things and journeys/lives/etc, as well. Right. OK. If we are to be National Socialistic, then everyone has to take part in the community, but at the moment, the only "community" we have, of sorts, is the Joy of Satan Ministries and sites and any other communications any members choose to do, which could be unsafe. If a member refuses to give White Babies, then that's all fine and dandy, but if another member refuses to do the Final-Reverse-torah Ritual & Race-Awakening Ritual, then they are evil and are not a true Scotsman. My. My, oh, fucking my.
I won't bother daring to ask, "What if the same member who refuses to help save the White Race by choosing to not give White Babies to it also refuses to do the F-RtR and Race-Awakening ritual?!", because if I did ask that I might make the programmable computer start to heat-up too much and exhale smoke. I wouldn't want to hurt anyone's Brains now. Worse than that, I could ask, but I won't - what if a member refuses to procreate to save the White Race, refuses to do the F-RtR and the RA ritual, and also, at the same time, promotes jew things - yet they have dedicated and are a Nazi and are doing meditations and doing everything else which is SS and NS?! :blink: Yeah... Maybe I'm being a bit sarcastic, but... it could be laughable. Are they still a Spiritual Satanist? Will Satan protect them, since they dedicated? (This is getting more into another post I made about making your own rules and laws on your own Planet/in your own domain but still being friendly with Satan, as I have mentioned before, so I will stop it there.)
Will future slaves-of-commjewnism historians of the Black and Asian Races look back and long for the times that might have been, or will future Black, Asian and White historians, and the entire Human Races all look back and thank the Whites for enforcing and ensuring our own survival - and that of the Black and Asian Races and our/their own continued existence? The Gods and Goddesses, basically, one could say, forced us to increase from what we were to what we...well, used to be after that time...yet we still have a moral and survival duty - and I hope also wish - to exist, but we're not "allowed" to ensure that existence and survival - and more than that, not just mere survival but also actual thriving and abundance and prosperity. Perhaps because Whites are so sentimental and moralistic, then Black and Asian Gods and Goddesses should come down and do the White Gods' and Goddesses' forceful work for Them, but I know that won't happen. One day I might teet over the edge and say "fuck what is 'right' and 'wrong', for fuck sake. We need to survive. Just get on with it and do it."
We can and should "allow" or help and encourage everyone to exercise their free will, as long as it is not illegal (so that is not free will in one sense), and allow them to help the White Race become extinct, because it would be disgusting to save the White Race forcefully, or at least nearly-forcefully/obligatorily/certainly. How can we save the White Race certainly, merely by trying to convince people that jesus doesn't exist and that Satan is not the devil, that there is a secret cabal and a hugely-massive conspiracy against us? Too many individuals' minds are too small to grasp enough of this. You can't change (and increase) people's minds; only they can. We can't exactly demonstrate Magickal abilities yet, so time is closing-in and the gap is narrowing, the window of opportunity is shrinking. A member asked very recently,
"EVERYTHING IS FAIR IN LOVE AND WAR !!!". Interesting timing - or as usual, a coincidence.
If we cannot convince closed-minded individuals, because they are sheep and are lost-causes, and we cannot enforce the survival of the White Race... then what are we supposed to do? Just pray and wish? Rely on the Gods and Goddesses to return while we are down to the skinless and bloody bones of the last couple of fingers gripping onto the edge of the cliff while others are trying to stamp on our fingers, to come and save us before we slip and fall to our doom? Keep doing the F-RtR and RA ritual and sharing links and information and materials? If we have so much faith in the the F-RtR and RA ritual, then we might not need as much effort to be done on 'spreading the message', as it were. The Magick and Energies will manifest and are manifesting in people's Minds and lives, and they would search for things online already, and either come to us or set-up/join similar nearly-correct sites. Despite this, there are still many, many lost-causes and sheep which will lose; this has been said - "it will be too late for them". The net we cast doesn't, and according to this quote here, won't catch a lot of fish. So the only option to make certain is to make certain. Sometimes we have to force ourselves to fucking meditate, and that can be a bastard of a bitch to do properly.
Sometimes, we have to not force the survival of the White Race because it's "wrong" to do that. Perhaps it is "wrong" to force, but...and forgive me for saying this, and for saying it this way...we have "higher" morals than that - or at least we have a higher need, a higher emergency than "it's wrong". It's not as if this enforcement will exist for eternity; it's to ensure the survival of the White Race. Call it conscription, if you will. If Hitler was 'destined' to have been born when He was, and rise-up and become Leader and take-on the jew directly in Physical war...was it Magicked for those who joined the Army and SS to join? Perhaps conscription would have been necessary; therefore, Hitler would not have won - could not possibly have won as much as He did - or at least if not won, then slowed-down the jew's shit. Hitler is a fine orator; He is convincing and passionate and knows the correct things to say. He was in a Physical war; with Spiritual war, it is not possible for most people to see, observe, notice; therefore, it is harder for us in at least one way, to convince them like Hitler did. People are so used to Physical war and history, but are closed-eyed - literally - to the Astral. Besides, it's a but pointless getting upset with me saying these things; it will not happen this way, and I am only 1 individual; others, including any Gods and Goddesses if necessary, and also the dirty enemy, will prevent one single individual person from forcing these things to happen in this way, even if it should be "for the greater good" of the White Race and all Human Races. Maybe sometimes might does make right, in special circumstances. Hitler, despite not wanting to go to war, was dragged into it and was Leader of an Armed Force. He attempted to force the survival of Humanity away from the jew's shit. We're being more and more forced into desperation; why can't we force - or nearly-force - the survival of the White Race and Human Races? What is the difference?
Take certain sci fi or Armed Forces protocols - in certain circumstances, one must enact a certain protocol or way of doing things. At Green Alert/peace time/DEFCON 5, things go on merrily and working; at Red Alert/General Quarters/Action Stations/war time/DEFCON 1, things change. It looks like that we are nearing the height of danger alert here in terms of the danger that the White Race has had to be facing,
buuuut we have to allow others to not give a damn. Not to mention that they just don't care either anyway, or are so ignorant of these things. Do you know a saying? You have to be cruel to be kind... Here's a message for the future Black and Asian commjewnist-slave historians who will never see this becaue these times in history will be deleted, of course - I, we - some of us - are sorry, and while some of us are/were sorry, here's a song to play you out.
Linkin Park - In the End.mp3 I would say that I wouldn't be surprised if Lucifuge Rofocale cries at night listening to this song sometimes, but some here would take that as me attacking Him, which is not what I am doing. Besides, He probably has heard the same song on other jew-occupied Planets written by a jew, or perhaps the same jew who reincarnated here, over the centuries and millenia, so it doesn't affect Him as much anymore. He is upset about what happened on His Planet; we're too "Meh!" about making certain to make certain it doesn't happen here; it has happened already in one form, due to the already-present Spiritual enslavement, but we must make certain that it does not happen, neither with Physical Planetary destruction nor with Racial enslavement - either way, it would be lost.
Perhaps I'm just being over-the-top here. You know - Satan has won already, and it just takes time for the Astral to come down into the Physical. We could have done with a Physical visit a while ago, though. I wonder what will happen with those Gentiles who did bad things against Gentiles. If they have reincarnated and dedicate, or did bad things in this life then dedicated, would they be "saved", or would they still need to be punished, with which they might think "I dedicated, now my life is all fucked-up!", blaming Satan perhaps. I realise that from re-reading what I posted earlier, that it sounded like I meant to enfore things. Depending on the answer to this question I just asked about Gentiles doing bad things aaginst Gentiles, why can't we force, or nearly-force, the White Race to survive, especially when people's Minds are so stubborn and so difficult to change, in order to get them to care about saving their own Race, making certain to make certain that it survives? It is not for perverse pleasure to make others do things which we want them to do. It is not a jolly lollage club here; it is of utmost importance, it is paramount.