Astrology #76600 Planets in 4th (and other water houses)

[AskSatanOperator]

Even if the sign isn't a water sign, can planets here produce some "watery" tendencies?

But more importantly, can it indicate psychic giftedness with the 4th House which rules the subconscious?

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Greetings, Brother / Sister!

Here are very interesting examples of the jobs planets can do in 4th house:

Question #3274: Problems caused by retrograde Saturn in 4th house

Aside from Jos description of planets and it's placements and signs ,,what other problems can retrograde Saturn in 4th house generally cause

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Question #3560: How to get rid of negative Pluto karma?

I have pluto retrograde in my natal chart and it is also in my 4th house. Can this placement cause someone to be an introvert and not interact with the public since pluto rules estrangement? if so how should I fix this pluto placement or get rid of the negative effects of it? I always wondered...

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People with planets and/or stellium in 4th can make wonderful archaeologists or other investigator of Ancient cultures, as well as seeing things under the Earth. 4th is about your Ancestors and their culture, your Motherland, the past, the Ancient times and Ancient everything, old epoques, etc. This is also about hardcore patriotism, especially when Pluto. Pluto both direct and retro also can give very intensively felt source of power in the immemorial past of your Motherland or in the immemorial past of the Earth or the Solar System as well. A lot of wonderful professions are connected to this sphere and a lot of Satanic professions are - one might adore to learn Ancient Satanic practices from manuscripts and mythology. I think I read from HPS Maxine of the examples of prominent archaeologists with stellium in there.

I believe that planets in 4th can be very effectively professionally sublimated. And depending on the sign they are in, - yes, they might tell of hereditary spiritual ability. Again, Pluto either direct or retro can speak of powerful mage or mages among Ancestors, and talents among Ancestry at all. Any planets depending on the sign and degree can tell of talents either among Ancestors or passed to you by Ancestors, especially if conjunct with the South Node and strengthened by a lot of noviles and related. But again, to say anything specific we need to know the planet and the sign.

4th and the Moon topic are very emotions-related and bloodline-related. And emotions themselves are very Motherland / born culture related, most important emotion being patriotism, spiritual patriotism, feeling roots, especially with the outer planets. Though there are lower octave realizations where astrologers say this might on the opposite mean some problems in accepting your past, born house and roots - depending on the nature of the planet and sign, but mostly depending on the octave. Octave is how you manage to work with the planet and sublimate it. For example, Saturn or Saturn-like planet in other planetary system in 4th or 4th-related might be sublimated by a Godly Being into building Pandemonium (Motherland, Capital), while in mortal chart it might work out in mediocrity way that is mostly evidenced everywhere. Good examples of the lower octave are those written about Moon-Uranus and Moon-Pluto aspects in ToZ Astrology section, or hereditary diseases at all if bad degree.

I believe our religion helps with heightening the octave so everything might be sublimated into highest and most wonderful genial masterpieces as in Godly example above.

 

[Edward Lonsa]

As for the question in regards to whether houses might somehow replace the specific signs in action, more no then yes. Houses are more about spheres of life themselves and less about how you manage these spheres. Houses are of where in which spheres your karma might invite you to trod, while planetary signs are more of what exactly karma you might find if you trod these spheres. Extreme emotionalism & intensity is given by water signs not water houses. Water houses give the work around in specific sphere, for example prominent 8th and 12th might definitely give spiritual/afterlife sphere interests and abilities, invite you to do karma in these spheres, yet the planet might likely behave in accordance to the sign it is in and the influence of the other planets it stands in aspects with.

 

[AskSatanOperator]

Greetings, Brother / Sister!

Here are very interesting examples of the jobs planets can do in 4th house:

Question #3274: Problems caused by retrograde Saturn in 4th house

Aside from Jos description of planets and it's placements and signs ,,what other problems can retrograde Saturn in 4th house generally cause

ancient-forums.com

Question #3560: How to get rid of negative Pluto karma?

I have pluto retrograde in my natal chart and it is also in my 4th house. Can this placement cause someone to be an introvert and not interact with the public since pluto rules estrangement? if so how should I fix this pluto placement or get rid of the negative effects of it? I always wondered...

ancient-forums.com

People with planets and/or stellium in 4th can make wonderful archaeologists or other investigator of Ancient cultures, as well as seeing things under the Earth. 4th is about your Ancestors and their culture, your Motherland, the past, the Ancient times and Ancient everything, old epoques, etc. This is also about hardcore patriotism, especially when Pluto. Pluto both direct and retro also can give very intensively felt source of power in the immemorial past of your Motherland or in the immemorial past of the Earth or the Solar System as well. A lot of wonderful professions are connected to this sphere and a lot of Satanic professions are - one might adore to learn Ancient Satanic practices from manuscripts and mythology. I think I read from HPS Maxine of the examples of prominent archaeologists with stellium in there.

I believe that planets in 4th can be very effectively professionally sublimated. And depending on the sign they are in, - yes, they might tell of hereditary spiritual ability. Again, Pluto either direct or retro can speak of powerful mage or mages among Ancestors, and talents among Ancestry at all. Any planets depending on the sign and degree can tell of talents either among Ancestors or passed to you by Ancestors, especially if conjunct with the South Node and strengthened by a lot of noviles and related. But again, to say anything specific we need to know the planet and the sign.

4th and the Moon topic are very emotions-related and bloodline-related. And emotions themselves are very Motherland / born culture related, most important emotion being patriotism, spiritual patriotism, feeling roots, especially with the outer planets. Though there are lower octave realizations where astrologers say this might on the opposite mean some problems in accepting your past, born house and roots - depending on the nature of the planet and sign, but mostly depending on the octave. Octave is how you manage to work with the planet and sublimate it. For example, Saturn or Saturn-like planet in other planetary system in 4th or 4th-related might be sublimated by a Godly Being into building Pandemonium (Motherland, Capital), while in mortal chart it might work out in mediocrity way that is mostly evidenced everywhere. Good examples of the lower octave are those written about Moon-Uranus and Moon-Pluto aspects in ToZ Astrology section, or hereditary diseases at all if bad degree.

I believe our religion helps with heightening the octave so everything might be sublimated into highest and most wonderful genial masterpieces as in Godly example above.

Hello, I asked you a question elsewhere about the 4th House, but I hadn't seen this response.

About ancestors and the south node, mine is tightly conjunct a Retrograde Uranus in Aquarius 4th/5th House as well as the fixed star Armus - what could this mean?

Neptune is also retrograde in the 4th Aquarius, which I've read can indicate something hidden or secret about the family lineage, but what exactly would that entail? A spiritual family, or something more?

Recently I found out some strange and mysterious things about my early childhood. There were some "mystics"/yogis who were helping my mother during my early childhood, as she was experiencing some difficulties in raising me due to a tough situation. They kept showing up out of nowhere and giving her mysterious messages about the future which came true, about both me and her own life. There was a piece of paper with some information on it that only she could possibly know, and was told not to read the contents until a specific date. They seemed to know who she was and who I was, but no other details were revealed and they haven't shown up besides this time period.

My grandparents were also highly psychic and had healing powers, my mother too, but they were also heavily Xian. My mother is also unfortunately a Xian slave despite immense psychic talents. I think she knows her religion is BS, but for some reason won't let go. She has a powerful Pisces Stelium in the 8th House and a Scorpio Moon chart ruler in the 4th. She can naturally communicate telepathically to animals and other such feats without any spiritual practice and despite all of the dross she has accumulated. If she has a strong negative or positive thought towards someone or something, it manifests almost immediately. Such as a woman who faced disaster as a result of her impudence. She is also capable of manipulating other's feelings/thoughts through her will, unbenknownst to her but I've observed it in real-time. People who have acted completely against their character in order to bend to her. She is also very beautiful and doesn't seem to age. She is almost 50, but still looks to be in her mid-late 20's. I have other family members like this as well. I have always seen her as a sort of genie, because I've gained many things from asking for her "prayers" as a child.

My grandmother could also instantly heal broken bones with a single touch - I saw this myself - and she could see and talk to spirits/entities. Angels often harassed her and her family. She was buried in a vast empty field and one can feel a weird sense of tranquility there. The animals and birds too, ignore the rest of the field and flock to her area where the vegetation on that small patch of land is visibly brighter/greener than the rest.

I've heard many other mystical stories from people in the village - mostly things related to healing, such as her magnetically pulling sawdust with her palms from a persons eyes.

I unfortunately don't have her chart details though, but I think she actively meditated albeit through corrupted practices.

Even in old age she had the athleticism of a teenager, and so did my grandfather and his brothers. She would be seen climbing trees and shit, to grab coconuts or whatever.

But is this just random lucky astrological gifts, or is it from a family lineage of genuine spiritual adepts? Would I be able to receive these gifts? I am still new to meditation though, but I feel quick progress. Not quite as epic as my family but it is fast. How can I best take advantage of these placements/lineage?

 

[Edward Lonsa]

Hello, I asked you a question elsewhere about the 4th House, but I hadn't seen this response.

About ancestors and the south node, mine is tightly conjunct a Retrograde Uranus in Aquarius 4th/5th House as well as the fixed star Armus - what could this mean?

Neptune is also retrograde in the 4th Aquarius, which I've read can indicate something hidden or secret about the family lineage, but what exactly would that entail? A spiritual family, or something more?

Recently I found out some strange and mysterious things about my early childhood. There were some "mystics"/yogis who were helping my mother during my early childhood, as she was experiencing some difficulties in raising me due to a tough situation. They kept showing up out of nowhere and giving her mysterious messages about the future which came true, about both me and her own life. There was a piece of paper with some information on it that only she could possibly know, and was told not to read the contents until a specific date. They seemed to know who she was and who I was, but no other details were revealed and they haven't shown up besides this time period.

My grandparents were also highly psychic and had healing powers, my mother too, but they were also heavily Xian. My mother is also unfortunately a Xian slave despite immense psychic talents. I think she knows her religion is BS, but for some reason won't let go. She has a powerful Pisces Stelium in the 8th House and a Scorpio Moon chart ruler in the 4th. She can naturally communicate telepathically to animals and other such feats without any spiritual practice and despite all of the dross she has accumulated. If she has a strong negative or positive thought towards someone or something, it manifests almost immediately. Such as a woman who faced disaster as a result of her impudence. She is also capable of manipulating other's feelings/thoughts through her will, unbenknownst to her but I've observed it in real-time. People who have acted completely against their character in order to bend to her. She is also very beautiful and doesn't seem to age. She is almost 50, but still looks to be in her mid-late 20's. I have other family members like this as well. I have always seen her as a sort of genie, because I've gained many things from asking for her "prayers" as a child.

My grandmother could also instantly heal broken bones with a single touch - I saw this myself - and she could see and talk to spirits/entities. Angels often harassed her and her family. She was buried in a vast empty field and one can feel a weird sense of tranquility there. The animals and birds too, ignore the rest of the field and flock to her area where the vegetation on that small patch of land is visibly brighter/greener than the rest.

I've heard many other mystical stories from people in the village - mostly things related to healing, such as her magnetically pulling sawdust with her palms from a persons eyes.

I unfortunately don't have her chart details though, but I think she actively meditated albeit through corrupted practices.

Even in old age she had the athleticism of a teenager, and so did my grandfather and his brothers. She would be seen climbing trees and shit, to grab coconuts or whatever.

But is this just random lucky astrological gifts, or is it from a family lineage of genuine spiritual adepts? Would I be able to receive these gifts? I am still new to meditation though, but I feel quick progress. Not quite as epic as my family but it is fast. How can I best take advantage of these placements/lineage?

Greetings, Brother / Sister! Congrats with the greatest chart and family!

I think you meant you were searching for this my answer and did not find - this is about Uranus Rx in 4th SN:

Astrology - #76462 Is this a mistake on JoS? About south node and fate

"IS THE RULER OR OTHER PERSONAL PLANETS CONJUNCT ANY FIXED STARS OR MOON'S NODES? Planets that are conjunct fixed stars will be influenced by the nature of the fixed star. The south node is of fate, for better or for worse. The north node is often indicates special abilities or talents. Always...

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This is very typical story of a gifted bloodline under xianity. This is classic of how genial people like your grandmother had to live under illiterate epoch. Grigori Rasputin was such: he was powerful mystic and had two wonderful religion/state-related yods and all his life he searched for his dedication. He tried all kinds of xianity, including many alternative wings but he could not find the true spiritual path inside it. Unfortunately in his epoch there was no source of real Pagan knowledge and he could not know anything about original Paganism of his country. So he just stayed mystic of his own traveling and healing people around him who considered hi xian saint. This is sad but a lot of genial mystics and gifts stayed unrealized in these epochs because of extreme lack of education and literacy. The restriction of talents created major suffering because thsoe planets that give talents they also give suffering if their energies stagnate. And this was the major impact of xianity and pisslam as jewish instruments to stop progress and civilization on Earth.

Earth human population was designed to progress and evolve. Including highest tech. "Procreate as cockroaches & endless wars" is not what higher civilizations would have bothered to create humans out of apes for. Solar system is astrologically designed for evolution: Uranus, Saturn, Pluto etc are to be sublimated into extremely high science & spiritual technology, Neptune is for highest and most intricate most beautiful art and heightened emotions so that all this life and all this evolution had any sense. Because without Beauty it has not. Nothing does. While all of the mentioned especially Saturn are to be sublimated into spirituality.

This is very natural for the Gentile nation to be full of such gifted people as your Ancestors you describe. They need to thrive and be able to fully realize their potential. This is how nation becomes great. Kikes' major impact was to stop them from doing so so that all other humanity stagnated and got trapped in suffering.

Not seeming to age, looking 20 in 50, strange stories of yogis communication, facing strange beings, feats, not being able to fully understand or realize your gift because trapped in xianity & lack of education - this is the classic. Not only there was no internet, but the majority had no even access to paper books. I had the same in my Ancestry and I think a lot of people here had this in theirs. This is why what we are doing now is so important.

Yes, Aquarian Uranus on SN is a great Ancestral gift sign I saw in genial charts. You definitely need to work up to realize your Uranus to sublimate Armus. See Armus just as an extra raw force for your Uranus. Uranus is major sign.

Fixed Star Armus

Armus at 12°44′ Aquarius has an orb of 1°00′ The Sun joins Armus on February 2 Fixed star Armus, Eta Capricorni, is a binary star system located in the shoulder of the Sea Goat, Capricornus Constellation. Combined magnitude 4.84 (5.02 + 7.39), spectral type A4 V + F2 V, color white. The...

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All stars should be sublimated and used to their best, whether they are good or bad. Their planets they conjunct should be sublimated to their best to avoid any bad influence of the conjunct star. Heinrich Himmler brilliantly sublimated his AC conjunct Armus into political and spiritual career.

SN is Ancestry, Ancestral gifts, legacy of your land including megalithic prehistoric legacy such as pyramids. All Ancient megaliths are full of high maths, see example: