200 Years Of Failure Of Veganism

[erick_erick]

I was a vegan fan and I'm glad to see this post. I have just a few questions that vegans said: They say killing animals frightens them and that it produces toxins in their bodies, our intestines are too long to expel the toxins immediately. And the livestock industry tortures animals and rapes them to extract sperm, and ... and a doctor said he had more energy after he became vegan (which I think is a lie because he was eating chicken on a Instagram live). I love animals and my main question is animals in our meat diet should be killed, aren't they bothered? I have a bad feeling about seeing a butcher

 

[Darkspirit]

I was a vegan fan and I'm glad to see this post. I have just a few questions that vegans said: They say killing animals frightens them and that it produces toxins in their bodies, our intestines are too long to expel the toxins immediately. And the livestock industry tortures animals and rapes them to extract sperm, and ... and a doctor said he had more energy after he became vegan (which I think is a lie because he was eating chicken on a Instagram live). I love animals and my main question is animals in our meat diet should be killed, aren't they bothered? I have a bad feeling about seeing a butcher

The whole thing consists in the fact that they believe they are doing the right thing, in being a better person and I also believe that they want to sacrifice themselves for their goals ... but this is not how this "problem" is solved, which is not a real problem but rather a problem imposed by those madmen in the minds of those who become easily conditioned, and it is no wonder that precisely the most gullible Christians are those who practice this diet (strange diets, fasting, hating oneself, deprivation of every good thing ect. are the consequence of the infinite and unconditional love of the Christian god). And a part of them who are a little more sincere claim that they lead a bad life to be better than others, but and in our nature being ornivores we do not deny the evidence.

The slaughter of animals is something that has always been done now and it is not a bad thing just someone have different reactions ... but what makes it ugly is the unnecessary mistreatment of these animals ... but the point in my opinion is that each of us, most importantly, must have all card in order, including a balanced diet.

 

[Aquarius]

is animals in our meat diet should be killed

I think it would be worse for them if we ate them while they are alive.

 

[BabySatan]

I am from a Hindu vaishnava brahmin family.Vegetarianism is pushed on everyone in my community.If someone eats meat they are treated as subhuman people.I have been vegetarian most of my life due to which I am physically weak and always low on energy.These so called Hindu gurus tell that eating meat reduces our compassion towards other living beings and should be eschewed for "spiritual progress".I never believed in these sayings.

 

[Aquarius]

I am from a Hindu vaishnava brahmin family.Vegetarianism is pushed on everyone in my community.If someone eats meat they are treated as subhuman people.I have been vegetarian most of my life due to which I am physically weak and always low on energy.These so called Hindu gurus tell that eating meat reduces our compassion towards other living beings and should be eschewed for "spiritual progress".I never believed in these sayings.

Can't you eat it in secret?

 

[BabySatan]

I have a few times already.Right now I am living with my family so can't risk getting found out.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

I am from a Hindu vaishnava brahmin family.Vegetarianism is pushed on everyone in my community.If someone eats meat they are treated as subhuman people.I have been vegetarian most of my life due to which I am physically weak and always low on energy.These so called Hindu gurus tell that eating meat reduces our compassion towards other living beings and should be eschewed for "spiritual progress".I never believed in these sayings.

Try to eat more eggs and cheese, which will provide your body lots of yin to build with. However, you also need to balance this with exercise and yoga to make sure you don't deplete your yang energy. Meats like chicken or red meats are more balanced and provide yang energy as well, but unfortunately, you will have to compensate with eggs and cheese, which are at least dense like meat.

One tip for being low on energy is to do the breath of fire pranayama, which should give you a decent boost of energy, allowing you to do something more for more energy (like yoga or empowerment meditation).

 

[shubhamrane666]

I have a few times already.Right now I am living with my family so can't risk getting found out.

Start out by eating eggs. If caught you can always reason that egg is vegetarian as the eggs we eat are unfertilized eggs of chicken which means that it was produced without the hen having sex. Just like periods in human females. Hen will continue having eggs even if they dont have sex. For meat you can start with chicken meat as it is lean. Start out with chicken tikka as it has no bones in it if you start consuming meat.

BTW forcing vegetarianism on people is the reason why Gujratis and Jains are hated in my part of India.

 

[zzzz]

why wont supplements work???? can i just consume quality vitmain/protein supplements and have my body absorb them so it can replace meat?

 

[Draconi666]

https://youtu.be/OKd08IVC6nY

Why Sadhguru tells always about how eating meat affects us bad in so many ways… I don’t understand this, if he is on Shiva side like he says and acts why he promotes vegetarism.

 

[Aquarius]

https://youtu.be/OKd08IVC6nY

Why Sadhguru tells always about how eating meat affects us bad in so many ways… I don’t understand this, if he is on Shiva side like he says and acts why he promotes vegetarism.

I don't think he's on our side. He's with the world economic forum and openly said that he wants the population to "decline".

 

[Sundara]

A vegan mother was charged with manslaughter, she was breastfeeding and her baby became deficient. The baby died.

 

[Hunter666]

Jews pushes and promotes everything that Is Dangerous for humanity and our health. It can destroy you today or 500 years above, they dont care. Those pigs only cares about destroying you mentally and phisically. Some people find It healthly, this Is an illusion made by the propaganda "save an animal, be a better person". The effect is the same as a placebo medicine: your mind Is fucked up and while you disrespect your own body, destroying hectares and hectares of animal territory, animals, trees and plants because of your self-righteous vegan diet, you only save the 20% of the general amount of all those creatures.
There will come a time where their body will fail and then, they will blame mosquitoes rather than admitting their stupidity having no connection at all with mother nature.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

There is no healthy way to be a vegan. You can do this for a few days or maybe for a week or 2, but after that the body starts starving and being deficient in the nutrients it needs. And there is enormous damage done to every part of the body by being a vegan for a long time.

One example is your nerves and your brain. There is a covering around your nerves called myelin, and it is exactly the same as the insulating plastic around a wire. It protects the nerves, and prevents electrical signals from being lost, or from shorting out to other nerves nearby. Your brain also is made from a large percentage of myelin. Myelin is made directly from animal fat, and there is no way to make it from any kind of vegan source. This is one large reason why you see people who are vegans for years and they are shaking and twitching, because the insulation around their nerves has broken pieces where it has not been able to rebuild and heal, and you have things like electrical signals from the nerves are jumping into the muscles and making them twitch.

Also calcium. Vegans like to say that very dark green leaves have a large amount of calcium. This is true, but it is important to think how the calcium is contained. The calcium in these plants is contained inside a molecule where the calcium is so strongly held inside of it that the body is not able to break this apart. The body is not able to digest this and remove the calcium from it, and it is not able to absorb it. So it does not matter how many of these dark green leaves are eaten, none of the calcium is taken into the body and it all goes out the other end. Of course bones will all become very weak from no calcium, but that is not even the worst part.

Calcium is one of the 4 most important elements in the whole body for controlling osmosis and motion of water, nutrients, and all kinds of other materials in and out of the cells, and also for controlling nerve signals. All of these are controlled by electrical gradients caused by balance between Sodium and Potassium, and by balance between Calcium and Magnesium. If any of these 4 elements are deficient in the body, there starts to be things like strong muscle pains and dehydration in the cells. Water is not able to be moved in and out of the cells in the correct way, nutrients and waste are not able to be moved in and out of the cells in the correct way, and muscles are not able to have the correct tension. Muscles will either be stuck contracted very tightly, or they will be too loose and unable to contract. Sodium and Calcium cause the muscles to contract, and Potassium and Magnesium cause the muscles to relax. This balance is one of the top most important balances in the whole body. For example, the way the lethal injection execution works is by injecting an extremely large dose of Potassium into the blood, and there is so much potassium that it forces the heart muscles to relax and the heart is not able to pump. This is an example of an extremely large imbalance. But most people today who eat the common American kind of diet are very badly unbalanced. It is a good idea to have supplements for magnesium because that is the one most people are the most deficient with. Try this especially if you always have pain from tight muscles. Magnesium is used for more than 600 different processes inside the body. And you also need the calcium to balance against it.


Another important one is B vitamins. These naturally come from meat. There is no vegan source of B vitamins. Actually the way most vegans try to justify this is they say that if they don't wash the vegetables and they leave dirt on the bottom of the vegetable, there is bacteria inside the dirt that is able to produce vitamin B. It is true that some bacterias can do this, but it is not true that they are actually getting any of it by eating dirt. And I doubt that most of them are actually eating any dirt, I think they wash it first. So when they are not getting any vitamin B naturally, they try to eat supplement pills. But the various kinds of B vitamins are actually complicated molecules, and it is not possible to make them synthetically in a lab. The lab can make a small piece or something similar, but they are not able to make the real thing. If you do get vitamin B from natural sources, then a supplement can help because the small piece in the pill comes together with the missing piece from the natural source. But if you are not getting the real natural one, the pill will not help because it requires to have that missing piece that you do not have. The person's vitamin B supply from the entire body is depleted until there is nothing left, then they have this tiredness disease. Vitamin B is required by mitochondria to produce ATP which is the energy source used by every cell in your body. If you have no vitamin B, this is not able to happen and no energy is able to produce in the cells. And the thousands of little processes in every cell in the body are all not able to work correctly because they all require energy. This causes permanent and extreme tiredness, and also many other diseases because so many processes are stopped.



If there is some specific animals that you don't want to eat, then don't eat them. You don't have to eat a cow or pig if you don't want to. But you have to find some animal products that you do eat. You can get a full and perfect nutrient requirements by eating things like fish, eggs, and cheese if you do not want to eat other meats. But you have to eat something.

 

[zzzz]

Hello SS.
I make this reply from an unbiased perspective. I am not anti-vegan or anti-animal product.
I seek absolute truth.
At the end of this reply I will state my theory.

The reality of this diet for 200 years in the western world is it simply does not work. Today what happens is people go on this diet for a couple of years and use up the reserves of animal products in their system as the body is designed to go thought periods of scarcity to keep humans alive in times of famine and such. Once this happens they hit the wall physically and find out the supplements don't work. The fact is many get to the point they need B12 injections for absorption rates to be enough so they don't fall ill and risk the other dangerous situations which can be fatal from lack of B12. Children raised vegan have been put in wheel chairs from the effects of low B12. That is just one supplement issue.

For B12 (methylcobalamin), it is true that 1% of the supplement gets absorbed.
1.5 Microgram of B12 is needed each day.
So consuming 150 micrograms of vitamin b12 supplement would provide 100% of the daily requirement.
So perhaps the people who end up needing injections are the people who've taken far less than 150 micrograms. (Perhaps they've underdosed. Or they took a weaker form of B12, like cyanocobalamin).

That is just one supplement issue.

What are the other issues?

200 Years Of Failure Of Veganism

The first vegan movements happened in England in the earlier part of the 19th century.

The reality of this diet for 200 years in the western world is it simply does not work.

After a 200 year diet failed experiment what more do people need to understand.

Mageson states that veganism started in the early 19th century (i presume 1800 - 1850), and that veganism is a failure.
B Vitamins were discovered between 1910 and 1950. And ways of creating effective supplements for some of them came even later than that (after 1970).
So obviously veganism was unsuccessful when it started in the 1800s - there were no supplements back then.
So I don't think the failure of 200 years ago is relevant to veganism today, because science has now given us effective supplements.

The biggest lie the vegans tell is you can get all your protein from plants and that plant protein is more then enough.

To what extent is this true?
There are 9 proteins which the body can't make on its own, and needs to get those from food. There isn't a single plant source that has all 9 of the proteins. If it does then it doesn't have them in large enough amounts. But combining plant foods certainly does allow someone to meet the daily protein requirement. A vegan might have to consume more grams of plant than grams of meat to get the same amount of protein, depending on which protein source they choose. Though I don't see how that means that a vegan can't get the required amount of protein from plant.

Your brain also is made from a large percentage of myelin. Myelin is made directly from animal fat, and there is no way to make it from any kind of vegan source.

Which fat is being refered to? If its palmitic acid or omega-3, they've numerous plant sources. I humbly request to know which fat you've talked about.

Also calcium. Vegans like to say that very dark green leaves have a large amount of calcium. This is true, but it is important to think how the calcium is contained. The calcium in these plants is contained inside a molecule where the calcium is so strongly held inside of it that the body is not able to break this apart. The body is not able to digest this and remove the calcium from it, and it is not able to absorb it.

Indeed, the body has difficulty absorbing nutrients when they're bound to certain molecules/proteins. In the case of calcium, several calcium salts exists which are easily absorbed by the body. Some of those salts (calcium carbonate) can cause negative side effects (such as raising the pH of stomach acid), though not all of the salts cause side effects. One such salt, calcium citrate, is absorbed well by the body and doesn't cause negative side effect when ingested in the correct amount.

There are many forms of calcium found in dairy products. The form of calcium which our bodies the absorb most from dairy is another calcium salt called calcium lactate. Pure calcium lactate salt can be supplemented, meaning that vegans can absorb the exact same form of calcium that's found in dairy - without having to consume any animal product.

Also there exist chelates of calcium (calcium lysinate), and chelates of many other nutrients. Chelates are absorbed well by the body. In some cases, the nutrient in chelate supplements are absorbed better than the nutrient from animal sources.

Sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium. If any of these 4 elements are deficient in the body, there starts to be things like strong muscle pains and dehydration in the cells.

Those electrolyte nutrients are common and the body can easily absorb them from salts or chelate supplements, or regular plant food. Unless there're underlying health conditions, deficiency of those nutrients are rare for a vegan.

Another important one is B vitamins. These naturally come from meat. There is no vegan source of B vitamins. So when they are not getting any vitamin B naturally, they try to eat supplement pills. But the various kinds of B vitamins are actually complicated molecules, and it is not possible to make them synthetically in a lab. The lab can make a small piece or something similar, but they are not able to make the real thing.

As stated by SS Ol argedco, the same nutrient can be found in many different molecular forms. The body requires a specific form of the nutrient, not just something similar. Once a vegan knows which nutrient is 'the real thing' and which one is just 'similar', they can seek to consume supplements which contain the 'real one'. Thus eliminating a cause of nutrient deficiency.




Certainly, veganism is unsustainable to someone with less education on the matter.
Some nutrients are not found in plants. Those nutrients must be supplemented.

Some supplements are found with undesireable additives in them. Some are found with additives that are beneficial.
Some supplements have no additives at all and are pure nutrient.

A person can compare the different products to know which one has little or no side effect. Then they can calculate (based on bioavailability) how much of it their body needs to consume in order to absorb 100% of the daily requirement of protein, mineral, vitamin, and omega oil.

That would allow a person to sustain veganism indefinetly.
That's my theory anyway. If someone knows with absolute certainty that I'm wrong, I'd be eternally grateful to be enlightened on this matter.