Will to power

[DarkAries]

This paragraph from the Will to power just stuck on my head since I read it. Even Im a bookworm, and I read pretty fast, but that book took me one and a half month. I can higly recommend this masterpiece, but only if youre already familiar wih Nietzsche's writing style and ideas. This book is unfinished, and there is more knowledge in one sentence then in most of the books today.

I cant find the english translation, I just translate the hungarian one, so excuse me if it gets unusual:

[...] revaluation of all values: we no longer happy about certainty, rather for uncertainty; there is no longer "cause and effect", but continous creating; there is no will to subsistence, but will to power etc.; there is no more of the humple expression, that "everything is subjectiv", but "this is our creation too", be proud of it!

[...] minden érték átértékelése: már nem a bizonyosságnak örülünk, hanem a bizonytalanságnak; nincs már „ok-okozat”, hanem folyamatos alkotás; már nincs a fennmaradás akarása, de van a hatalom akarása stb.; már nincs az alázatos kifejezés, hogy „minden csak szubjektív”, hanem „a mi művünk is”, legyünk büszkék rá!

The idea, thet there is no reasoning is goes against what Nietzsche said in his other works. Of course, getting rid of every reason is not possible, but always seeking a "why" for every problem is futile. Would it be any better if you would completly know why your loved one passed away? Or if you have any pain, knowing the origin of pain would heal you? Always seeking reasons, always asking why is like living in the past, when one of your past action caused another.

Continous creating... Always creating is like existing in the future. Who cares what happened yesterday, now you create something better, something new, that will justify life itself. Life is cruel and injust, but it has to be, so only the best may remains. The strongs are always capable to go towards their goal, even if the road is full of pain and hardship. But we, my Satanic brothers and sisters are capable to go beyond the pain and hardship, beyond what the herd consider good and evil.

That how I understand this paragraph, if any of you have advice for it I would appriciate.

 

[AFODO]

without certainty how else would you know things? Uncertainty is confusion, not a good thing.

There is always a cause and effect, you can't rewrite the laws of the universe.
The result of mindless creation is useless junk. There is a huge need for destruction.

The will to survive is the bases of life, individually and for groups also.

I find this two lines to be highly against our Satanic norm, You can learn more valuable things from one HPHC sermon than from a whole Nietzsche book.

 

[DarkAries]

without certainty how else would you know things? Uncertainty is confusion, not a good thing.

There is always a cause and effect, you can't rewrite the laws of the universe.
The result of mindless creation is useless junk. There is a huge need for destruction.

The will to survive is the bases of life, individually and for groups also.

I find this two lines to be highly against our Satanic norm, You can learn more valuable things from one HPHC sermon than from a whole Nietzsche book.

Its true that The will to power never suppused to be published in this form, but three separete books, and there are a lot of speculation, that hes mentally collapsed while wrote it. Even that, Nietzsche is still a very "SS-friendly" writer, his ideal, the übermensch is basically a human, who ascended godhood. Its a shame he lacked the spiritual knowledge.

Maybe he truly lost his mind writing this, or just gone too far, or just mocked his modern era. The will to survive is most likely the critique of Schopenhauer's will to live, living just the sake of living, without any goal or purpose. You need a will for power and for life are both needed.

 

[DarkAries]

without certainty how else would you know things? Uncertainty is confusion, not a good thing.

There is always a cause and effect, you can't rewrite the laws of the universe.
The result of mindless creation is useless junk. There is a huge need for destruction.

The will to survive is the bases of life, individually and for groups also.

I find this two lines to be highly against our Satanic norm, You can learn more valuable things from one HPHC sermon than from a whole Nietzsche book.

But your right pal, I admit it

Just consider reading some of his better works. The Antichrist is damn worth it.

"...s a [zsidók] félelemtől indíttatva e típus ellentétét akarták, ezt tenyésztették, ehhez jutottak el: a háziállatot, a csordaállatot, a beteg ember-állatot - a keresztényt...

 

[CrimsonMonarch]

I liked your interpretation of the paragraph. Nietzsche is an interesting author, but I haven't read him, so my opinion is mostly based on what you said and my own interpretation of what he stated.

Nietzsche had a turbulent life, and he was initially taught in the xian doctrine. Later on he would come to reject it. Or rather, he'd come to reject everything. Nietzsche lived the nihilism he proposed, but he could never stop finding meaning in it. After all, nihilism by definition implies nothing has any meaning. In a way, the reason as to why something happens in nihilism is irrelevant, maybe that's what he means by "dwelling in the past". What has happened, has happened.

At the same time, he can't fully accept nihilism, he wants something that unifies it together, because why else would you be here on this Earth? If everything was truly nihilistic, there would be no reason to go on. Sure, you can argue from a biological perspective, we're here to propagate the species and nothing more. Exist for the sake of existing, without really knowing why. Basically, like animals.

Life by itself is not enough of a reason to keep going. Live, but what for? Nietzsche comes to the conclusion that the reason for living is the will to power, in the end. He realizes that life itself is not beautiful. There is always ugliness, there is always struggle, there is always suffering. Only those among us strong enough to face this abyss and jump in it will make it out. And from this struggle, man creates something. And a creation gives meaning to life, it makes it bearable. I like to think the creation is a person creating themselves. The biggest creation you can begin, to find meaning, is that of yourself. Without a will to power, to the power of creating this, life is pointless.

At least that's my interpretation. Nietzsche's life was a rollercoaster and he suffered a lot mentally. I can empathize with him except on the xian part. His writing is also pretty hard to understand, but it makes for a fun recreational past time, if anything. Hope this rant has been useful

 

[DarkAries]

I liked your interpretation of the paragraph. Nietzsche is an interesting author, but I haven't read him, so my opinion is mostly based on what you said and my own interpretation of what he stated.

Nietzsche had a turbulent life, and he was initially taught in the xian doctrine. Later on he would come to reject it. Or rather, he'd come to reject everything. Nietzsche lived the nihilism he proposed, but he could never stop finding meaning in it. After all, nihilism by definition implies nothing has any meaning. In a way, the reason as to why something happens in nihilism is irrelevant, maybe that's what he means by "dwelling in the past". What has happened, has happened.

At the same time, he can't fully accept nihilism, he wants something that unifies it together, because why else would you be here on this Earth? If everything was truly nihilistic, there would be no reason to go on. Sure, you can argue from a biological perspective, we're here to propagate the species and nothing more. Exist for the sake of existing, without really knowing why. Basically, like animals.

Life by itself is not enough of a reason to keep going. Live, but what for? Nietzsche comes to the conclusion that the reason for living is the will to power, in the end. He realizes that life itself is not beautiful. There is always ugliness, there is always struggle, there is always suffering. Only those among us strong enough to face this abyss and jump in it will make it out. And from this struggle, man creates something. And a creation gives meaning to life, it makes it bearable. I like to think the creation is a person creating themselves. The biggest creation you can begin, to find meaning, is that of yourself. Without a will to power, to the power of creating this, life is pointless.

At least that's my interpretation. Nietzsche's life was a rollercoaster and he suffered a lot mentally. I can empathize with him except on the xian part. His writing is also pretty hard to understand, but it makes for a fun recreational past time, if anything. Hope this rant has been useful

It was, thank you for that

To fully understand Nietzsche, you almost have to become him, live in his time, learn what he learned, etc. His nihilism comed from his former mentor and nemesis, Arthur Schopenhauer. Many consider him the darkest philosopher, Nietzsche often described him as "his philosophy is smelling like a rotting corpse", and "a lot of philosopher is sick from pessimism, Schopenhauer already died from it".

without certainty how else would you know things? Uncertainty is confusion, not a good thing.

There is always a cause and effect, you can't rewrite the laws of the universe.
The result of mindless creation is useless junk. There is a huge need for destruction.

The will to survive is the bases of life, individually and for groups also.

I find this two lines to be highly against our Satanic norm, You can learn more valuable things from one HPHC sermon than from a whole Nietzsche book.

What truly fascinating, is that Nietzsche understood the importance of destruction, not just the creation, a lot of times wrote that you must destroy the xian "gods" and morality to make a better, a pro life morality. As he wrote in Zarathustra: "—Or was it a sermon of death that called holy what contradicted and dissuaded from life?—O my brethren, break up, break up for me the old tables!"

Now, Thus spoke Zarathustra is another very interesting book. Very, very hard to properly read and understand, Nietzsche purposfully made it in the sty of the byble, making it into an "anti-bible". In his bibliography, the Ecce homo, he wrote that writing Zarathustra only took a few weeks, and he felt like words flowing out from his mind, like he saw revelations. Even he stated, that he himself dont understand everything he wrote, and that he wrote for those, who migth not even born yet. The whole concept of becoming übermensch (overman) is the path to become godlike, and he also present the other end, the "last man", the herd, the NPC, as we know today. Hitler also liked this book a lot, Nietzsche's sister gifted Him a lot of his brothers writings, and his walking stick, after Nietzsches death.

This is a paragraph from The Antichrist, one of my favorite I ever read:

What is good?—Whatever augments the feeling of power, the will to power, power itself, in man.
What is evil?—Whatever springs from weakness.
What is happiness?—The feeling that power increases—that resistance is overcome.
Not contentment, but more power; not peace at any price, but war; not virtue, but efficiency (virtue in the Renaissance sense, virtu, virtue free of moral acid).
The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.
What is more harmful than any vice?—Practical sympathy for the botched and the weak—Christianity....

 

[CrimsonMonarch]

Now, Thus spoke Zarathustra is another very interesting book. Very, very hard to properly read and understand, Nietzsche purposfully made it in the sty of the byble, making it into an "anti-bible". In his bibliography, the Ecce homo, he wrote that writing Zarathustra only took a few weeks, and he felt like words flowing out from his mind, like he saw revelations. Even he stated, that he himself dont understand everything he wrote, and that he wrote for those, who migth not even born yet. The whole concept of becoming übermensch (overman) is the path to become godlike, and he also present the other end, the "last man", the herd, the NPC, as we know today. Hitler also liked this book a lot, Nietzsche's sister gifted Him a lot of his brothers writings, and his walking stick, after Nietzsches death.

I do have that book in my shelves, and I honestly had a hard time reading it the first time around, now it makes sense why. If the book was supposed to be an anti-bible, and Nietzsche himself admitted to have written it through revelations, it is perfectly possible that our Gods may have spoken through him, since we know that is possible. And you're spot on about the concept of the Overman. In a way, the Will To Power and the Overman are related. The goal of life is to become the Overman, to go beyond human, or as we know it, to achieve the Godhead.

I also like the "the strong eat the weak" theme because it is not as bad as some people make it. I remember in a philosophy class, we were asked to raise our hands if we agreed with said phrase "The strong eat the weak". I think only 2 people in the class raised our hands, I and another girl. I believe that most people are afraid of this idea because they know they are weak. I'm no marvel either, so who am I to say I'm strong? What determines strength is not muscles, smarts, charms, etc. What makes one strong is when one looks inside and realizes one is weak. Then takes the decision to change it, and starts to walk the path to the Overman. True strength comes from walking that path. The rest will either be too afraid, or wait for Overmen to do things for them. Or as is the case with xianity, they'll believe a false idol that promises them freedom in death, instead of freedom in life.

 

[AFODO]

In his bibliography, the Ecce homo, he wrote that writing Zarathustra only took a few weeks, and he felt like words flowing out from his mind, like he saw revelations. Even he stated, that he himself dont understand everything he wrote, and that he wrote for those, who migth not even born yet

I admit, he has a great skill of writing, good use of words, and rich vocabulary. I wouldn't understand a word with my current language skills lol, but it's also an opportunity to change that. I'm happy that you do though, you'll be important in the translation project.

 

[DarkAries]

I admit, he has a great skill of writing, good use of words, and rich vocabulary. I wouldn't understand a word with my current language skills lol, but it's also an opportunity to change that. I'm happy that you do though, you'll be important in the translation project.

I'm sure I'll be
Currectly I'm reading Human, all too human vol 1 (Emberi, nagyon is emberi 1.rész), I plan to reread Zarathustra when Im done with more precisity, and with the knowledge that its full of spiritual information. Maybe make a pdf about it, the first book is pure gold, I have plenty of good ideas about it.

He even mockes with his protagonist. He wrote in his later works, that the historical Zarathustra was the first one who declared that good and bad are two separate and different things, so he have to be the first who realise the truth, that good and bad only depends on your persoective, and there is no universal good or bad, there is no thing that would be good for everyone or bad for everyone. Hence, our goal should be to make everyone happy, or create an "easy and carefree utopy, when everyone can be a lazy fuck all day", but to gather more power. Make the strong stronger, and let the weak perish.

 

[DarkAries]

*Hence, our goal shouldnt be to make everyone happy, or create an "easy and carefree utopy, when everyone can be a lazy fuck all day"*