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Thank you for posting this, I also came to Satanism after stumbling across a copy of the Satanic Bible, but I had been a Pagan for a decade so I knew the Gods/Demons were real.

Hail Satan!


--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:


Here is a repeat [for people who are new here] post I made some years back regarding the Church of Satan. I also want to add here- Anton LaVey was exceptionally rare- he was incarnated as a jew in order to accomplish what he did. No Gentile would have gotten anywhere if they tried to do what he did in the way of getting positive material about Satan published, opening the first modern above ground Satanic Church and much, much more. The jewish controlled press, media and legal system would have shut them down immediately.

He is NOT a jewish soul. I know this as I have met him and conversed with him numerous times. He is highly respected and known by all souls in Hell. Yes, he made mistakes, but so does everyone else. The important thing is that he opened the door for us. I also have much gratitude for him in that I came to Satan after reading his Satanic Bible and Satanic Rituals. He has also expressed much abhorrance at what his Church has become. He says he is 'appalled.'

Here is my repeat post:

Wed Aug 24, 2005
Anton LaVey

First off, it is mentioned in the rules for this e-group that we DO know
Satan is a real being. Pushing LaVeyanism here is not needed or wanted.
I personally don't call Church of Satan "Satanists" as IMO, CoS is nothing
more than an Anton LaVey CULT [Jazz music, 1940's and 50's films noir genre]. I do not take it upon myself to bash other
groups, but I see where this discussion is going on here and I have always
wanted to do this for an article. I guess now is the time. When I was new to Satanism, LaVeyanism really appealed to me because I came as an atheist. I was surprised to learn that Satan and his Demons are real beings which I found in a short time.

The quotes below expose endless hypocrisy with where the CoS is at today. Satan and the Powers of Hell do not have time for childish games.

Quotes from Anton LaVey:

"In the name of all who suffered and died as agents of the Devil in ages
past, the present band of heretics-those who would deny the Devil, yet play
his game-must be called to task"

"And what do they do , now that it is safe and clear to use His Great
Infernal Name? They deny Him!"
-Anton Szandor LaVey The Devil's Notebook, page 33

"Let it be known that every man who delves into the arts of darkness must
give the Devil and His children the due their years of infamy deserve.
Satan's Name will not be denied! Let no man shun or mock His Name who plays
His winning game or despair, depletion, and destruction await!"
-Anton Szandor LaVey The Devil's Notebook, page 34

Official Church of Satan official website
http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
Click on "Theory-Practice" then "Policy Statements"
"* Satanic Youth Communique"

Here is an excerpt:
"Don't be disturbed or frightened or think you're crazy when you feel
contacted by the Dark Ones you conjure forth, or by the magical results you
begin to produce. You're not crazy for feeling the way you do about the
hypocrisy, blindness and incompetence you see all around you. Nor are you
crazy to see the results of your Black Magic. Approach the Dark Masters with the proper degree of respect and decorum-that's what rituals are for, to establish a relationship. If you approach the demons respectfully, they will reward you with knowledge, guidance, and success. Your demon guide is within you-don't look for it outside. You just have to contact that part of
yourself and listen to it. That is the most important work anyone can do."

"The difference between prayer and magic can be compared to the difference
between applying for a loan and writing out a blank check for a desired
amount. A man applying for a loan (prayer) may have nothing but a job as
collateral and must keep working and pay interest, should the loan be
granted. Otherwise he will wind up with bad credit (purgatory). The man
(magician) who writes the desired amount on the blank check, assumes there
will be delivery of the merchandise, and he pays no interest. He is indeed
fortunate-but he had better have sufficient funds (magical qualities) to
cover the amount written, or he may wind up in far worse straits, and have
his creditors (demons) out looking for him."
Page 20, bottom paragraph, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

I wasn't aware that "archetypes" could be "out looking for someone."

Here are some more interesting quotes from the Satanic Rituals:
"If one is truly good inside he can call the names of the
Gods of the Abyss with freedom from guilt and immunity from
harm. The resultant feeling will be most gratifying. But there is
no turning back. Here are the Rites of Lucifer ... for those
who dare remove their mantles of self-righteousness."
Anton Szandor LaVey
The Church of Satan
25 December VI Anno Satanas
Page 14, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey


No turning back?? If Satan is an only an "archetype" then why is there "no
turning back"?

"As to the pronunciation of the names involved (despite
some occultists who insist, "You can't expect help from the
forces you call upon if you can't pronounce their names right,"),
assume that the forces, demons, or elementals have enough
insight to judge a caller's worthiness on more profound criteria
than his glib tongue or expensive shoes."
Page 22, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

What difference does it make if they are only "archetypes" on how we
pronounce their names??

"The Satanic Bible states that the magician should treat the
entities he calls upon as friends and companions, for even an
"impersonal" device will respond better to a conscientious and
respectful user. This principle is accurate for operating automobiles
and power tools, as well as demons and elementals."
Page 24, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

The above statement is awfully blatant. If they are only "archetypes" then
how is it they "respond"?

"The Yezidi interpretation of God was in the purest Satanic
tradition. The idea, so prominent in Greek philosophy, that
God is an existence absolute and complete in himself, unchangeable,
outside of time and space, did not exist in Yezidi
theology. Also rejected was the theocratic Judaic concept of
Jehovah, and also the Mohammedan God: the absolute ruler.
The notion, unique to Christians, that God is Christ-like in
character was totally absent. If there was any semblance of a
personal manifestation of God, it was through Satan, who
instructed and guided the Yezidi toward an understanding of
the multifaceted principles of Creation, much like the Platonic
idea that the Absolute was itself static and transcendental. This
concept of "God" is essentially the position taken by the
more highly evolved Satanists. Prayer was forbidden, in the
strictest Satanic tradition. Even daily expressions of faith were
referred to as "recitals."
Page 154, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

The above is a most beautiful quote and very true. If Satan is only an
archetype though, how can he "guide"?


Page 29 of The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey:
"The Devil has been attacked by the men of God relentlessly and without
reservation. Never has there been an opportunity, short of fiction, for the
Dark Prince to speak out in the same manner as the spokesmen of the Lord of
the Righteous."

Why would an "archetype" speak out?

"For all the centuries of shouting-down the Devil has received, he has never shouted back at his detractors. He has remained the gentleman at all times, while those he supports rant and rave. He has shown himself to be a model of deportment, but now he feels it is time to shout back. He has decided it is finally time to receive his due."

**

Here is reversed xianity:
"The seven deadly sins of the Christian Church are: greed, pride, envy,
anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth. Satanism advocates indulging in each of these "sins" as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification."
Page 46, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

This one is rather blatant:
"An indication of the cowardice of "magicians" of the right-hand path is the practice of calling upon a particular demon (who would supposedly be a minion of the devil) to do his bidding.
The assumption is that the demon, being only a flunky of the devil, is
easier to control. Occult lore states that only the most formidably "protected" or insanely foolhardy sorcerer would try
to call forth the Devil himself. The Satanist does not furtively call upon these "lesser" devils, but brazenly invokes those who people that infernal army of long-standing outrage - the Devils themselves!"
Page 57, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

Now, Laveyanists claim they are already "gods" well, if they are "gods" why
do they bother to call upon and invoke the Crowned Princes of Hell?
Why bother to call upon "archetypes"?

"Oh great brothers of the night, thou who makest my place of comfort, who
rideth out upon the hot winds of Hell, who dwelleth in the devil's fane; Move and appear!
Present yourselves to him (her) who sustaineth the rottenness of the mind that moves the gibbering mouth that mocks the just and strong!; rend that gaggling tongue and close his (her) throat, Oh Kali!
Pierce his (her) lungs with the stings of scorpions, Oh Sekhmet! Plunge his
(her) substance into the dismal void, Oh mighty Dagon!"
Pages 149-150, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

"Oh great lurkers in the darkness, oh guardians of the way, oh minions of
the might of Thoth! Move and appear! Present yourselves to us in your benign power, in behalf of one who believes and is stricken with torment.
Isolate him (her) in the bulwark of your protection, for he (she) is
undeserving of anguish and desires it not..."
Page 151, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

"If you can't conjure up a satisfactory demon lover, you can never hope to
even approach the real thing."
Page 121, (c) 1998, Satan Speaks by Anton Szandor LaVey

**
The above quotes are from LaVey and there are many, many more. If I had more time, I could present a lot more. When I was new, I read *everything*
including every link on the "Church of Satan" website. I read all of LaVey's books cover to cover and several CoS magazines- the Black Flame, the Cloven Hoof and others affiliated. The point is- all the double-talk. Now, Blanche Barton who was LaVey's secretary and live-in girlfriend and mother of his child wrote some pretty interesting things:

The Secret Life of a Satanist: The Authorized Biography of Anton LaVey" (c)
1990, 1992 by Blanche Barton:

Page 16, bottom of the page: "Hadn't anyone called forth the demons before
as their friends? I thought they surely had."

Jayne Mansfield's six-year-old son Zoltan was attacked by a lion at a zoo.
Here is what Barton writes:

Page 98: "Now as he held his cape out like great leathery wings against the
raging wind, the rain beat hard on his face, and, summoning all the power
within himself, LaVey called upon his brother Satan to spare Zoltan's life.
In remarkable time, Zoltan recovered form his wounds."

The Church of Satan (c) 1990, by Blanche Barton:

Page 93: LaVey didn't want to stand inside a feeble, chalk-drawn circle,
summoning these whirling forces in the name of "Jehovah" and flailing the
sign of the Cross in the air to protect himself. His magickal instincts told him that, if he wanted to entreat the Dark Ones to carry out his wishes, he'd best call upon them boldly, with conviction, as friends and companions, not quivering in their unholy presence."

Page 97: "We don't have to kill our God: we don't wear the instrument of his agony and death around our necks."
In the above, Barton is making a comparison between Satanists and xians.
Note, she mentions "our God." Why say this about an "archetype"?

Page 103:
"When you're faced with that decision, with that piece of paper in front of
you, declaring your allegiance to Satan for all eternity, renouncing God,
Jesus Christ, Heaven and redemption, you may find suddenly that you don't
want to go through with it. That's good. You should find out. If you do want ton align yourself with those forces completely, and you know there is no turning back, you know you can pursue the delights of the flesh without repression. "

Page 104:
"It is also dangerous for people who take part of the philosophy and try to
ignore the rest; adopt the liberation without taking responsibility. Or
using Satan's tools to gain material wealth, then not giving homage to the
Devil in some small way, in some dark subterranean grotto somewhere. Some of
the most powerful men and women in history have freely given that homage,
where no one would ever suspect, let alone discover. And their wealth and
happiness increased beyond reckoning. But you have to take responsibility
for your actions. As has been said, nobody rides for free."

Page 109:
"If you have nothing in particular you want to perform a ritual for, its
perfectly understandable you may feel a strong need to ritualize but don't
actually know why. If that's the case, develop your own kind of Dedication
Ritual, to renew and reaffirm your strength and alignment. Open the ritual
as instructed, then instead of reading one of the three suggested
invocations, speak your mind freely. in speaking directly to Satan himself,
you may discover what is in your subconscious that you can't quite bring to
the surface. Express appreciation for the direction you have received from
the Dark Lord and ask that he continue to guide you to further increase your earthly power - - you might want to write out part of your Dedication ahead of time, to spur your thoughts once you're in the chamber. Ask that he bestow ever-increasing wisdom and perspective so that you can carry out your Dark Will on the Earth. Instruct the demons you name to manifest themselves to you by increasing your earthly pleasures."

Page 110:
Keep yourself constantly aware of instructional coincidences, open to the
demons who will whisper in your ear. An old meaning of demon used to be
'muse' - - a guiding, inspirational spirit. You will get guiding signs if
you only make yourself sensitive to them."

Page 111:
"Our standards, Satan's standards, remain consistently high."

The above quotes are only a few. There are so many major discrepancies. The
"archetype" image is an insult and a blasphemy to Satan. Satan is *very*
real! Many of us have seen him face to face and have even had the privilege
of conversing with him. If he wasn't real, how many of you who have been
following the bullshit of the past year in regards to me and the JoS, think
I would still be sitting here typing?? How many powerful curses have been
thrown at me?? I can assure you all I am fine and quite happy. I also know
of a few enemies of mine who are fucking dead.

Satan and his Demons have suffered. It is an abomination and a blasphemy
that the organization that so blatantly uses his name denies him. This is
appalling. Also, charging people high membership dues and then booting them
out on a whim (this happened to a member of the JoS of whom the CoS accused
of "Devil worship") is bullshit.

*****

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org
 
Reverse xian is someone who follows xianity upside down and believe it's lies. Such as those who believe Satan is "evil" and the xian "god" is real. Reverse xians are really annoying and make me pissed off. We are not reverse xians because we're not based in xianity at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@... wrote:

No such thing as reverse xtian,reverse satanist maybe,think about it?They stole everything from us(xtians n ilk),n twist it,who is the reversal of who?So like an jEW to play innocence n blame others!Hail iblis.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:34 PDT Tammy Arnold wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF??????  What proof do they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have ascertained, their website gives no real guidance.  They perceive Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous posts.  How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards Father Satan and the Demons? 

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@..." <mleskela@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?


 
yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@... wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil" and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was "worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@ wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't have any circles around it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lefthandedpath" <drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?
 
If anything Christianity is A reaction to Satanism. 

-Allyson Ford 
On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:22 PM, "diznit26" <diznit26@... wrote:
  Reverse xian is someone who follows xianity upside down and believe it's lies. Such as those who believe Satan is "evil" and the xian "god" is real. Reverse xians are really annoying and make me pissed off. We are not reverse xians because we're not based in xianity at all.

--- [/IMG][email protected][/email][/url], Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@... wrote:

No such thing as reverse xtian,reverse satanist maybe,think about it?They stole everything from us(xtians n ilk),n twist it,who is the reversal of who?So like an jEW to play innocence n blame others!Hail iblis.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:34 PDT Tammy Arnold wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF??????  What proof do they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have ascertained, their website gives no real guidance.  They perceive Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous posts.  How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards Father Satan and the Demons? 

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@..." <mleskela@...
To: [e[/IMG][email protected][/email][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?


 
yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@... wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil" and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was "worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- [/IMG][email protected][/email][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@ wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- [/IMG][email protected][/email][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't have any circles around it.

--- [/IMG][email protected][/email][/url], "lefthandedpath" <drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?
 
Everything jewish is stolen and a reaction to Satanism and all Gentile culture in general. Not only xianity, but their kike language, the kike kablahblah, pisslam, kike "ceremonial" magick e.t.c.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allyson Ford <dectotaku34@... wrote:

If anything Christianity is A reaction to Satanism.

-Allyson Ford

On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:22 PM, "diznit26" <diznit26@... wrote:

Reverse xian is someone who follows xianity upside down and believe it's lies. Such as those who believe Satan is "evil" and the xian "god" is real. Reverse xians are really annoying and make me pissed off. We are not reverse xians because we're not based in xianity at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@ wrote:

No such thing as reverse xtian,reverse satanist maybe,think about it?They stole everything from us(xtians n ilk),n twist it,who is the reversal of who?So like an jEW to play innocence n blame others!Hail iblis.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:34 PDT Tammy Arnold wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF?????? What proof do they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have ascertained, their website gives no real guidance. They perceive Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous posts. How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards Father Satan and the Demons?

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@" <mleskela@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?



yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@ wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil" and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was "worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@ wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't have any circles around it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lefthandedpath" <drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?
 
That is stupid thinking at its finest! 
From: diznit26 <diznit26@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:22 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?

  Reverse xian is someone who follows xianity upside down and believe it's lies. Such as those who believe Satan is "evil" and the xian "god" is real. Reverse xians are really annoying and make me pissed off. We are not reverse xians because we're not based in xianity at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@... wrote:

No such thing as reverse xtian,reverse satanist maybe,think about it?They stole everything from us(xtians n ilk),n twist it,who is the reversal of who?So like an jEW to play innocence n blame others!Hail iblis.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:34 PDT Tammy Arnold wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF??????  What proof do they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have ascertained, their website gives no real guidance.  They perceive Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous posts.  How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards Father Satan and the Demons? 

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@..." <mleskela@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?


 
yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@... wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil" and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was "worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@ wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't have any circles around it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lefthandedpath" <drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?

 
There is no kike kabalah, this was never jewish in origin. Like everything else they have stolen and corrupted true spiritual knowledge. 
Cordially,

PRAISE THE Mighty 4 Crowns of Duat!

Knowledge cant be rushed, it is power so you must accept and embrace it.
-High Priest Mac Friday

High Priest Mac Friday
Joy Of Satan Ministries

http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html
From: diznit26 <diznit26@...
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:48 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?

  Everything jewish is stolen and a reaction to Satanism and all Gentile culture in general. Not only xianity, but their kike language, the kike kablahblah, pisslam, kike "ceremonial" magick e.t.c.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allyson Ford <dectotaku34@... wrote:

If anything Christianity is A reaction to Satanism.

-Allyson Ford

On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:22 PM, "diznit26" <diznit26@... wrote:

Reverse xian is someone who follows xianity upside down and believe it's lies. Such as those who believe Satan is "evil" and the xian "god" is real. Reverse xians are really annoying and make me pissed off. We are not reverse xians because we're not based in xianity at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Catlovers Foreva <catloversforeva@ wrote:

No such thing as reverse xtian,reverse satanist maybe,think about it?They stole everything from us(xtians n ilk),n twist it,who is the reversal of who?So like an jEW to play innocence n blame others!Hail iblis.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:34 PDT Tammy Arnold wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF?????? What proof do they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have ascertained, their website gives no real guidance. They perceive Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous posts. How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards Father Satan and the Demons?

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@" <mleskela@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?



yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@ wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil" and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was "worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@ wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't have any circles around it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lefthandedpath" <drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?

 
Wow! Thank you for reposting this about Anton, Maxine! I did not get
to read it before, as I was not in the e-groups at that time. This is
most enlightening. Ave Satanas!

On 8/11/11, High Priest Mac Friday <macfriday@... wrote:
There is no kike kabalah, this was never jewish in origin. Like everything
else they have stolen and corrupted true spiritual knowledge.


Cordially,


PRAISE THE Mighty 4 Crowns of Duat!


Knowledge cant be rushed, it is power so you must accept and embrace it.
-High Priest Mac Friday


High Priest Mac Friday
Joy Of Satan Ministries


http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/HOME.html


________________________________
From: diznit26 <diznit26@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:48 AM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?



Everything jewish is stolen and a reaction to Satanism and all Gentile
culture in general. Not only xianity, but their kike language, the kike
kablahblah, pisslam, kike "ceremonial" magick e.t.c.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Allyson Ford <dectotaku34@... wrote:

If anything Christianity is A reaction to Satanism.

-Allyson Ford

On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:22 PM, "diznit26" <diznit26@... wrote:

Reverse xian is someone who follows xianity upside down and believe it's
lies. Such as those who believe Satan is "evil" and the xian "god" is
real. Reverse xians are really annoying and make me pissed off. We are
not reverse xians because we're not based in xianity at all.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Catlovers Foreva
<catloversforeva@ wrote:

No such thing as reverse xtian,reverse satanist maybe,think about
it?They stole everything from us(xtians n ilk),n twist it,who is the
reversal of who?So like an jEW to play innocence n blame others!Hail
iblis.

On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:34 PDT Tammy Arnold wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF?????? What proof do
they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have
ascertained, their website gives no real guidance. They perceive
Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous
posts. How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the
rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys
in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards
Father Satan and the Demons?

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@" <mleskela@
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?



yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on
the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse
christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@ wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't
believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists
who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call
themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of
ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil"
and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many
times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was
"worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and
being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any
circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So
not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@
wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're
even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the
circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive
stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father
Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something
offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course
Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't
offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive
without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't
about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is
very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't
have any circles around it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lefthandedpath"
<drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached
inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?
 
Thank you HP Maxine for taking the time out  of your busy schedule to post this.  Being new I have a lot to learn and any help I get is greatly appreciated.  There is a  lot of reading on both the JoS website, as well as the Black Sun666 site, I was recently told to go to and I am trying to retain a lot of information and learn as much as I can.  When or if I misunderstand or comment incorrectly about something I appreciate being corrected, and appreciate the time you take to do so.   
From: High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@...
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 7:47 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?

 
Here is a repeat [for people who are new here] post I made some years back regarding the Church of Satan. I also want to add here- Anton LaVey was exceptionally rare- he was incarnated as a jew in order to accomplish what he did. No Gentile would have gotten anywhere if they tried to do what he did in the way of getting positive material about Satan published, opening the first modern above ground Satanic Church and much, much more. The jewish controlled press, media and legal system would have shut them down immediately.

He is NOT a jewish soul. I know this as I have met him and conversed with him numerous times. He is highly respected and known by all souls in Hell. Yes, he made mistakes, but so does everyone else. The important thing is that he opened the door for us. I also have much gratitude for him in that I came to Satan after reading his Satanic Bible and Satanic Rituals. He has also expressed much abhorrance at what his Church has become. He says he is 'appalled.'

Here is my repeat post:

Wed Aug 24, 2005
Anton LaVey

First off, it is mentioned in the rules for this e-group that we DO know
Satan is a real being. Pushing LaVeyanism here is not needed or wanted.
I personally don't call Church of Satan "Satanists" as IMO, CoS is nothing
more than an Anton LaVey CULT [Jazz music, 1940's and 50's films noir genre]. I do not take it upon myself to bash other
groups, but I see where this discussion is going on here and I have always
wanted to do this for an article. I guess now is the time. When I was new to Satanism, LaVeyanism really appealed to me because I came as an atheist. I was surprised to learn that Satan and his Demons are real beings which I found in a short time.

The quotes below expose endless hypocrisy with where the CoS is at today. Satan and the Powers of Hell do not have time for childish games.

Quotes from Anton LaVey:

"In the name of all who suffered and died as agents of the Devil in ages
past, the present band of heretics-those who would deny the Devil, yet play
his game-must be called to task"

"And what do they do , now that it is safe and clear to use His Great
Infernal Name? They deny Him!"
-Anton Szandor LaVey The Devil's Notebook, page 33

"Let it be known that every man who delves into the arts of darkness must
give the Devil and His children the due their years of infamy deserve.
Satan's Name will not be denied! Let no man shun or mock His Name who plays
His winning game or despair, depletion, and destruction await!"
-Anton Szandor LaVey The Devil's Notebook, page 34

Official Church of Satan official website
http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
Click on "Theory-Practice" then "Policy Statements"
"* Satanic Youth Communique"

Here is an excerpt:
"Don't be disturbed or frightened or think you're crazy when you feel
contacted by the Dark Ones you conjure forth, or by the magical results you
begin to produce. You're not crazy for feeling the way you do about the
hypocrisy, blindness and incompetence you see all around you. Nor are you
crazy to see the results of your Black Magic. Approach the Dark Masters with the proper degree of respect and decorum-that's what rituals are for, to establish a relationship. If you approach the demons respectfully, they will reward you with knowledge, guidance, and success. Your demon guide is within you-don't look for it outside. You just have to contact that part of
yourself and listen to it. That is the most important work anyone can do."

"The difference between prayer and magic can be compared to the difference
between applying for a loan and writing out a blank check for a desired
amount. A man applying for a loan (prayer) may have nothing but a job as
collateral and must keep working and pay interest, should the loan be
granted. Otherwise he will wind up with bad credit (purgatory). The man
(magician) who writes the desired amount on the blank check, assumes there
will be delivery of the merchandise, and he pays no interest. He is indeed
fortunate-but he had better have sufficient funds (magical qualities) to
cover the amount written, or he may wind up in far worse straits, and have
his creditors (demons) out looking for him."
Page 20, bottom paragraph, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

I wasn't aware that "archetypes" could be "out looking for someone."

Here are some more interesting quotes from the Satanic Rituals:
"If one is truly good inside he can call the names of the
Gods of the Abyss with freedom from guilt and immunity from
harm. The resultant feeling will be most gratifying. But there is
no turning back. Here are the Rites of Lucifer ... for those
who dare remove their mantles of self-righteousness."
Anton Szandor LaVey
The Church of Satan
25 December VI Anno Satanas
Page 14, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

No turning back?? If Satan is an only an "archetype" then why is there "no
turning back"?

"As to the pronunciation of the names involved (despite
some occultists who insist, "You can't expect help from the
forces you call upon if you can't pronounce their names right,"),
assume that the forces, demons, or elementals have enough
insight to judge a caller's worthiness on more profound criteria
than his glib tongue or expensive shoes."
Page 22, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

What difference does it make if they are only "archetypes" on how we
pronounce their names??

"The Satanic Bible states that the magician should treat the
entities he calls upon as friends and companions, for even an
"impersonal" device will respond better to a conscientious and
respectful user. This principle is accurate for operating automobiles
and power tools, as well as demons and elementals."
Page 24, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

The above statement is awfully blatant. If they are only "archetypes" then
how is it they "respond"?

"The Yezidi interpretation of God was in the purest Satanic
tradition. The idea, so prominent in Greek philosophy, that
God is an existence absolute and complete in himself, unchangeable,
outside of time and space, did not exist in Yezidi
theology. Also rejected was the theocratic Judaic concept of
Jehovah, and also the Mohammedan God: the absolute ruler.
The notion, unique to Christians, that God is Christ-like in
character was totally absent. If there was any semblance of a
personal manifestation of God, it was through Satan, who
instructed and guided the Yezidi toward an understanding of
the multifaceted principles of Creation, much like the Platonic
idea that the Absolute was itself static and transcendental. This
concept of "God" is essentially the position taken by the
more highly evolved Satanists. Prayer was forbidden, in the
strictest Satanic tradition. Even daily expressions of faith were
referred to as "recitals."
Page 154, Satanic Rituals (c) 1972 by Anton LaVey

The above is a most beautiful quote and very true. If Satan is only an
archetype though, how can he "guide"?

Page 29 of The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey:
"The Devil has been attacked by the men of God relentlessly and without
reservation. Never has there been an opportunity, short of fiction, for the
Dark Prince to speak out in the same manner as the spokesmen of the Lord of
the Righteous."

Why would an "archetype" speak out?

"For all the centuries of shouting-down the Devil has received, he has never shouted back at his detractors. He has remained the gentleman at all times, while those he supports rant and rave. He has shown himself to be a model of deportment, but now he feels it is time to shout back. He has decided it is finally time to receive his due."

**

Here is reversed xianity:
"The seven deadly sins of the Christian Church are: greed, pride, envy,
anger, gluttony, lust, and sloth. Satanism advocates indulging in each of these "sins" as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification."
Page 46, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

This one is rather blatant:
"An indication of the cowardice of "magicians" of the right-hand path is the practice of calling upon a particular demon (who would supposedly be a minion of the devil) to do his bidding.
The assumption is that the demon, being only a flunky of the devil, is
easier to control. Occult lore states that only the most formidably "protected" or insanely foolhardy sorcerer would try
to call forth the Devil himself. The Satanist does not furtively call upon these "lesser" devils, but brazenly invokes those who people that infernal army of long-standing outrage - the Devils themselves!"
Page 57, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

Now, Laveyanists claim they are already "gods" well, if they are "gods" why
do they bother to call upon and invoke the Crowned Princes of Hell?
Why bother to call upon "archetypes"?

"Oh great brothers of the night, thou who makest my place of comfort, who
rideth out upon the hot winds of Hell, who dwelleth in the devil's fane; Move and appear!
Present yourselves to him (her) who sustaineth the rottenness of the mind that moves the gibbering mouth that mocks the just and strong!; rend that gaggling tongue and close his (her) throat, Oh Kali!
Pierce his (her) lungs with the stings of scorpions, Oh Sekhmet! Plunge his
(her) substance into the dismal void, Oh mighty Dagon!"
Pages 149-150, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

"Oh great lurkers in the darkness, oh guardians of the way, oh minions of
the might of Thoth! Move and appear! Present yourselves to us in your benign power, in behalf of one who believes and is stricken with torment.
Isolate him (her) in the bulwark of your protection, for he (she) is
undeserving of anguish and desires it not..."
Page 151, The Satanic Bible (c) 1969 by Anton Szandor LaVey

"If you can't conjure up a satisfactory demon lover, you can never hope to
even approach the real thing."
Page 121, (c) 1998, Satan Speaks by Anton Szandor LaVey

**
The above quotes are from LaVey and there are many, many more. If I had more time, I could present a lot more. When I was new, I read *everything*
including every link on the "Church of Satan" website. I read all of LaVey's books cover to cover and several CoS magazines- the Black Flame, the Cloven Hoof and others affiliated. The point is- all the double-talk. Now, Blanche Barton who was LaVey's secretary and live-in girlfriend and mother of his child wrote some pretty interesting things:

The Secret Life of a Satanist: The Authorized Biography of Anton LaVey" (c)
1990, 1992 by Blanche Barton:

Page 16, bottom of the page: "Hadn't anyone called forth the demons before
as their friends? I thought they surely had."

Jayne Mansfield's six-year-old son Zoltan was attacked by a lion at a zoo.
Here is what Barton writes:

Page 98: "Now as he held his cape out like great leathery wings against the
raging wind, the rain beat hard on his face, and, summoning all the power
within himself, LaVey called upon his brother Satan to spare Zoltan's life.
In remarkable time, Zoltan recovered form his wounds."

The Church of Satan (c) 1990, by Blanche Barton:

Page 93: LaVey didn't want to stand inside a feeble, chalk-drawn circle,
summoning these whirling forces in the name of "Jehovah" and flailing the
sign of the Cross in the air to protect himself. His magickal instincts told him that, if he wanted to entreat the Dark Ones to carry out his wishes, he'd best call upon them boldly, with conviction, as friends and companions, not quivering in their unholy presence."

Page 97: "We don't have to kill our God: we don't wear the instrument of his agony and death around our necks."
In the above, Barton is making a comparison between Satanists and xians.
Note, she mentions "our God." Why say this about an "archetype"?

Page 103:
"When you're faced with that decision, with that piece of paper in front of
you, declaring your allegiance to Satan for all eternity, renouncing God,
Jesus Christ, Heaven and redemption, you may find suddenly that you don't
want to go through with it. That's good. You should find out. If you do want ton align yourself with those forces completely, and you know there is no turning back, you know you can pursue the delights of the flesh without repression. "

Page 104:
"It is also dangerous for people who take part of the philosophy and try to
ignore the rest; adopt the liberation without taking responsibility. Or
using Satan's tools to gain material wealth, then not giving homage to the
Devil in some small way, in some dark subterranean grotto somewhere. Some of
the most powerful men and women in history have freely given that homage,
where no one would ever suspect, let alone discover. And their wealth and
happiness increased beyond reckoning. But you have to take responsibility
for your actions. As has been said, nobody rides for free."

Page 109:
"If you have nothing in particular you want to perform a ritual for, its
perfectly understandable you may feel a strong need to ritualize but don't
actually know why. If that's the case, develop your own kind of Dedication
Ritual, to renew and reaffirm your strength and alignment. Open the ritual
as instructed, then instead of reading one of the three suggested
invocations, speak your mind freely. in speaking directly to Satan himself,
you may discover what is in your subconscious that you can't quite bring to
the surface. Express appreciation for the direction you have received from
the Dark Lord and ask that he continue to guide you to further increase your earthly power - - you might want to write out part of your Dedication ahead of time, to spur your thoughts once you're in the chamber. Ask that he bestow ever-increasing wisdom and perspective so that you can carry out your Dark Will on the Earth. Instruct the demons you name to manifest themselves to you by increasing your earthly pleasures."

Page 110:
Keep yourself constantly aware of instructional coincidences, open to the
demons who will whisper in your ear. An old meaning of demon used to be
'muse' - - a guiding, inspirational spirit. You will get guiding signs if
you only make yourself sensitive to them."

Page 111:
"Our standards, Satan's standards, remain consistently high."

The above quotes are only a few. There are so many major discrepancies. The
"archetype" image is an insult and a blasphemy to Satan. Satan is *very*
real! Many of us have seen him face to face and have even had the privilege
of conversing with him. If he wasn't real, how many of you who have been
following the bullshit of the past year in regards to me and the JoS, think
I would still be sitting here typing?? How many powerful curses have been
thrown at me?? I can assure you all I am fine and quite happy. I also know
of a few enemies of mine who are fucking dead.

Satan and his Demons have suffered. It is an abomination and a blasphemy
that the organization that so blatantly uses his name denies him. This is
appalling. Also, charging people high membership dues and then booting them
out on a whim (this happened to a member of the JoS of whom the CoS accused
of "Devil worship") is bullshit.

*****

High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Tammy Arnold <thecatwoman3@... wrote:

How can they say that we are reverse xians? WTF?????? Â What proof do they supposedly use to back up this claim? From what I have ascertained, their website gives no real guidance. Â They perceive Satan an archetype, and the rest has already been said in previous posts. Â How do they call themselves Satanists when they do the rituals, ask Satan for things, and end their rituals with the Keys in the Satanic Bible that HP Maxine exposed as blaspheme towards Father Satan and the Demons?Â

Hail, Satan!


________________________________
From: "mleskela@..." <mleskela@...
To: [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [JoyofSatan666] Re: whats up with laveyans?


Â
yeah,those Laveyans call themselves a CHURCH.They might as well be on the other side.And they say we are a bunch of reverse christians.Fuckin idiots.
Sent from my LG phone

diznit26 <diznit26@... wrote:

Most of them are laveyans like many said in this thread, they don't believe Satan is real. Laveyans are not Satanists, just atheists who call themselves Satanists. There are many people who call themselves Satanists but do things against him either because of ignorance or delusion, such as those who think our Gods are "evil" and abuse them using jewish crap. Yes, Satan has said that many times, and he's even said that he doesn't like the way he was "worshipped" in the past, with that I mean all that sacrifices and being "evil" crap.

Did you see the JoS site and the graphics on it?They don't have any circles. Look at the baphomet in the front page of this group. So not "any" site has circles.

Here is a ton of baphomets without circles:

http://satansgraphix.webs.com/index.htm

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "brwnstwnh" <brwnstwnh@ wrote:

Every baphomet I see on the web has a circle around it,they're even sold by sites that sell ritual satanic items,ru sure the circle is offensive,y would a shop run by satanists sell offensive stuff,wouldn't they be afraid of invoking fathers wrath?did father Satan even say its offensive,did he tell u?

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrot
You shouldn't even ask this this way, if you did something offensive but didn't know that it is offensive then of course Satan understands that because you didn't know it, you can't offend him without knowing it. If you did something offensive without knowing, just don't do it next time. Satanism isn't about begging for forgiveness or something, because Satan is very understanding.

I'm not sure about the pentagram, but the baphomet shouldn't have any circles around it.

--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "lefthandedpath" <drones91@ wrote:


WELL, I always wear an inverted pentagram which is attached inside a circle. does this mean that I have offended father?

 
I have seen "Baphomet´s jewelry" on eBay and one of these pendants have weird characters, I don´t know if it is Hebrew or a variation of that language.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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