What Plato says about incarnation

[Maya]

According to Plato, when we are about to reincarnate, we become aware and commit to some terms for the upcoming life.
There are seven terms.

1. From the moment the soul gets incarnated to a body, the body isn't immortal like the soul, it can die at any time.

2. Each incarnation is a new start of a different life that will end in death, for as long as we remain to the mortal genus.

3. The cause of death isn't a Demon's choice, but rather we, with our choices we attract it. It is up to us to make the right choices in order to attract the (Guardian) Demon close to us and help us advance and become immortal.

4. If we achieve to get close to the Demon, then the Demon will set us free from our fate.
If the soul fails to achieve to have the Demon close to us, then we are not able to get guidance, thus, the body will die.

5. Virtue can't be forced to anyone. If the soul can achieve virtue, then this human is at a stage where he can move forward and control his actions, and control his own self. The reason the person can move forward is because at this stage he can control his ego. Our ego doesn't let us come fully close to our Demon, thus we never win against death.

6. If we can achieve to have less ego, then we will be able to achieve immortality, the goal for which we reincarnate every time but we fail to achieve.

7. Only we are the responsible ones for the way our Demon will behave to us. It depends on our actions and our will to advance. The Demon has no responsibility of our actions and failure, but only we do.

 

[NinRick]

Damn, Maya thank you for this information!
I have been reading some things about Plato myself, as his philosophy was in all actually the path of personal evolution and the path of the occult. Plato was an alchemist.

7. Only we are the responsible ones for the way our Demon will behave to us. It depends on our actions and our will to advance. The Demon has no responsibility of our actions and failure, but only we do.

Especially with this one I agree 666%

Thank you

 

[Jrvan]

Are we sure that none of this is corrupted? The ego shouldn't be reduced, but expanded. I can't imagine what would happen for example if a Pharaoh didn't have a strong ego. The ego is the sun, and we are all our own suns.

If he is talking about the false ego then that might make more sense. I'm cautious whenever I read things talking about lessening the ego or detaching from it.

 

[Alexandros Iowno [JG]]

Are we sure that none of this is corrupted? The ego shouldn't be reduced, but expanded. I can't imagine what would happen for example if a Pharaoh didn't have a strong ego. The ego is the sun, and we are all our own suns.

If he is talking about the false ego then that might make more sense. I'm cautious whenever I read things talking about lessening the ego or detaching from it.

The ego that is understood and more often misunderstood in texts such as these is due to lost knowledge and lost guidance.

The ego people often understand is just the ego of the lower intelligence. That is the sensorial faculties and basic instruments of existence we possess. Our senses. You see, you eat, you feel, you hear. These gather imprints into this ego, that is totally focused on a present satisfaction and reaction.

It also fulfills the role of self discovery and discovery of the world to a degree. It is the statement of the closest instant reality that we have available of a masculine source, by acknowledgment of existence that is not defined consciously. The aim is to advance so the feminine can define consciously these ego aspects of existence.

The ego on a chronological aspect is of only present time. The samsaric ego can only be satisfied in a present time, without any other depth. This regulates itself, combusts and reacts again.

This holds also deeper meaning, in the preoccupation of the inner self. Where do all of the body's resources go? What one does obsess and has an aim over in his|her life? What is this individual's perspective of life, and where does it head to?

Without any other deeper traits, any human can understand an abstract death at a point, being the end of the "life". However the ego doesn't understand an end, it just is, and this entraps the individual into not seeking higher meaning to the existence, only of a continual living that is purely automatic and not controlled, nor understood.

This doesn't constitute a falsity, directly, as it is a necessary journey and transformation within it. But can definitely become a misconception on what life is, and if sustained, becomes a falsity and the essence of the being becomes only the sum of its reflected surroundings.

The other types of intelligence, and the nature of existence herself, give space to this ego in a chronological aspect.

It is a stasis of "doing" perpetuated in complete satisfaction, both full and not full at the same time.

Cutting out the spiritual, the other types of intelligence, such as the mental, the emotional, etc can be trapped in this combustion of ego.

The samsaric ego cannot ever be satisfied only by the sensorial existence. One can have multiple lives with only this aim in life and it will never be satisfied. No matter the gratification of the senses, more will be necessary.

The above is what is referred to in a certain way. That the satisfaction of that ego doesn't give birth to immortality, but on the opposite, can entrap the whole being.

The ego, with spirituality in mind and advancement, can be only as so satisfied, being part of a greater movement of the being, not as a sole aim, but as a passive consequence of the greater satisfaction.

One is an ego of senses the other is an ego of consciousness, the ego of higher intelligence occurring over what is the feminine nature of the mind.

Both are necessary, and for the advancement of the being, the sense also must be explored and to a certain extent fulfilled, and at the same type, the higher necessity of the soul is fulfilled as well.

Also, an ego that is truly magnific, is one that exists beyond and above the matter. Being above, an ego can proclaim its satisfaction. There's always a natural need of going beyond and advancing. One of the reasons, connecting with the Gods is far more satisfying than any other sensorial instance of the lower intelligence.

In more layman's terms and directive, is simply stating to not become lost in life and automated like andrapoda, but to also seek higher view and aims, that will rescue the self. The whole "saving of soul" meme is regarded in the above in a true nature.

 

[Jrvan]

Are we sure that none of this is corrupted? The ego shouldn't be reduced, but expanded. I can't imagine what would happen for example if a Pharaoh didn't have a strong ego. The ego is the sun, and we are all our own suns.

If he is talking about the false ego then that might make more sense. I'm cautious whenever I read things talking about lessening the ego or detaching from it.

The ego that is understood and more often misunderstood in texts such as these is due to lost knowledge and lost guidance.

The ego people often understand is just the ego of the lower intelligence. That is the sensorial faculties and basic instruments of existence we possess. Our senses. You see, you eat, you feel, you hear. These gather imprints into this ego, that is totally focused on a present satisfaction and reaction.

It also fulfills the role of self discovery and discovery of the world to a degree. It is the statement of the closest instant reality that we have available of a masculine source, by acknowledgment of existence that is not defined consciously. The aim is to advance so the feminine can define consciously these ego aspects of existence.

The ego on a chronological aspect is of only present time. The samsaric ego can only be satisfied in a present time, without any other depth. This regulates itself, combusts and reacts again.

This holds also deeper meaning, in the preoccupation of the inner self. Where do all of the body's resources go? What one does obsess and has an aim over in his|her life? What is this individual's perspective of life, and where does it head to?

Without any other deeper traits, any human can understand an abstract death at a point, being the end of the "life". However the ego doesn't understand an end, it just is, and this entraps the individual into not seeking higher meaning to the existence, only of a continual living that is purely automatic and not controlled, nor understood.

This doesn't constitute a falsity, directly, as it is a necessary journey and transformation within it. But can definitely become a misconception on what life is, and if sustained, becomes a falsity and the essence of the being becomes only the sum of its reflected surroundings.

The other types of intelligence, and the nature of existence herself, give space to this ego in a chronological aspect.

It is a stasis of "doing" perpetuated in complete satisfaction, both full and not full at the same time.

Cutting out the spiritual, the other types of intelligence, such as the mental, the emotional, etc can be trapped in this combustion of ego.

The samsaric ego cannot ever be satisfied only by the sensorial existence. One can have multiple lives with only this aim in life and it will never be satisfied. No matter the gratification of the senses, more will be necessary.

The above is what is referred to in a certain way. That the satisfaction of that ego doesn't give birth to immortality, but on the opposite, can entrap the whole being.

The ego, with spirituality in mind and advancement, can be only as so satisfied, being part of a greater movement of the being, not as a sole aim, but as a passive consequence of the greater satisfaction.

One is an ego of senses the other is an ego of consciousness, the ego of higher intelligence occurring over what is the feminine nature of the mind.

Both are necessary, and for the advancement of the being, the sense also must be explored and to a certain extent fulfilled, and at the same type, the higher necessity of the soul is fulfilled as well.

Also, an ego that is truly magnific, is one that exists beyond and above the matter. Being above, an ego can proclaim its satisfaction. There's always a natural need of going beyond and advancing. One of the reasons, connecting with the Gods is far more satisfying than any other sensorial instance of the lower intelligence.

In more layman's terms and directive, is simply stating to not become lost in life and automated like andrapoda, but to also seek higher view and aims, that will rescue the self. The whole "saving of soul" meme is regarded in the above in a true nature.

Thank you, NakedPluto. It's certainly complicated, but I think I get it. It's just a little hard for me to imagine existence and a state of being beyond the physical world of matter. Does this relate in any way to one's ability to maintain the self and energies as they are even while being among other influences and energies? Like going out in public, and not losing yourself to the greater crowd of energies around you and taking on their colors. Or is that a totally different thing and unrelated?

 

[GoldenxChild1]

Are we sure that none of this is corrupted? The ego shouldn't be reduced, but expanded. I can't imagine what would happen for example if a Pharaoh didn't have a strong ego. The ego is the sun, and we are all our own suns.

If he is talking about the false ego then that might make more sense. I'm cautious whenever I read things talking about lessening the ego or detaching from it.

The ego that is understood and more often misunderstood in texts such as these is due to lost knowledge and lost guidance.

The ego people often understand is just the ego of the lower intelligence. That is the sensorial faculties and basic instruments of existence we possess. Our senses. You see, you eat, you feel, you hear. These gather imprints into this ego, that is totally focused on a present satisfaction and reaction.

It also fulfills the role of self discovery and discovery of the world to a degree. It is the statement of the closest instant reality that we have available of a masculine source, by acknowledgment of existence that is not defined consciously. The aim is to advance so the feminine can define consciously these ego aspects of existence.

The ego on a chronological aspect is of only present time. The samsaric ego can only be satisfied in a present time, without any other depth. This regulates itself, combusts and reacts again.

This holds also deeper meaning, in the preoccupation of the inner self. Where do all of the body's resources go? What one does obsess and has an aim over in his|her life? What is this individual's perspective of life, and where does it head to?

Without any other deeper traits, any human can understand an abstract death at a point, being the end of the "life". However the ego doesn't understand an end, it just is, and this entraps the individual into not seeking higher meaning to the existence, only of a continual living that is purely automatic and not controlled, nor understood.

This doesn't constitute a falsity, directly, as it is a necessary journey and transformation within it. But can definitely become a misconception on what life is, and if sustained, becomes a falsity and the essence of the being becomes only the sum of its reflected surroundings.

The other types of intelligence, and the nature of existence herself, give space to this ego in a chronological aspect.

It is a stasis of "doing" perpetuated in complete satisfaction, both full and not full at the same time.

Cutting out the spiritual, the other types of intelligence, such as the mental, the emotional, etc can be trapped in this combustion of ego.

The samsaric ego cannot ever be satisfied only by the sensorial existence. One can have multiple lives with only this aim in life and it will never be satisfied. No matter the gratification of the senses, more will be necessary.

The above is what is referred to in a certain way. That the satisfaction of that ego doesn't give birth to immortality, but on the opposite, can entrap the whole being.

The ego, with spirituality in mind and advancement, can be only as so satisfied, being part of a greater movement of the being, not as a sole aim, but as a passive consequence of the greater satisfaction.

One is an ego of senses the other is an ego of consciousness, the ego of higher intelligence occurring over what is the feminine nature of the mind.

Both are necessary, and for the advancement of the being, the sense also must be explored and to a certain extent fulfilled, and at the same type, the higher necessity of the soul is fulfilled as well.

Also, an ego that is truly magnific, is one that exists beyond and above the matter. Being above, an ego can proclaim its satisfaction. There's always a natural need of going beyond and advancing. One of the reasons, connecting with the Gods is far more satisfying than any other sensorial instance of the lower intelligence.

In more layman's terms and directive, is simply stating to not become lost in life and automated like andrapoda, but to also seek higher view and aims, that will rescue the self. The whole "saving of soul" meme is regarded in the above in a true nature.

I love reading what you write. I only wish I understood what you are saying in the soul by experience instead of in mind by theory. Although, it gives me inspiration upwards.