Void, Trance and Self-Hypnosis

[gnome]

Please can somebody try to help me understand what the difference is between void meditation and entering a trance state?

Here is where my confusion stems:

If void meditation requires you to have no thought, then essentially it is the same as switching off the left-side brain. Therefore the right female brain becomes active - which is the same requirement to enter a trance state. So is void meditation essentially the same as entering a light trance, where the subject is 'aware' but does not have conscious thought?

A lot of workings are said to be better if one enters a light trance first. If this is the case, then the left male brain is switched off - and there is no conscious thought. How then does the subject direct themselves through the rest of the working? Similarly, with self-hypnosis, if the subject enters a trance themselves, how can they program their own mind without any conscious thought?

I refer to:
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Trance.html
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Void_Meditation.html
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Hypnosis.html

If trance and void are not the same, then what is the difference?

If some level of 'directive male thought' is in fact possible whilst in a trance state, what method can be used to keep that level 'low' so that the aims of void meditation can be achieved and the desired trance state is maintained?

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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Void is more about controlling your thoughts in the way you want, like willpower. Trance is more like a state of relaxation of the body. Void can relax you into a trance, but it is not the same thing. Similarly, being in a trance does not necessarily mean you are doing void meditation.

Void is the practice of specifically voiding your head of thoughts each time they enter or begin. This trains your ability to regulate your emotions and control your thoughts. This is necessary because when you are working, you do not want to be hindered by thoughts of what you last saw on Youtube, for example.

In addition, this also helps motivation and it also increases your total mental energy capacity. If you train your brain to get better at focusing, then it will no longer tire as easily when working. In the same way, an physical athlete does not tire as quickly as the untrained, since they practiced their physical endurance. Void practices your mental endurance to focus.

 

[Gearshift]

Please can somebody try to help me understand what the difference is between void meditation and entering a trance state?

Here is where my confusion stems:

If void meditation requires you to have no thought, then essentially it is the same as switching off the left-side brain. Therefore the right female brain becomes active - which is the same requirement to enter a trance state. So is void meditation essentially the same as entering a light trance, where the subject is 'aware' but does not have conscious thought?

A lot of workings are said to be better if one enters a light trance first. If this is the case, then the left male brain is switched off - and there is no conscious thought. How then does the subject direct themselves through the rest of the working? Similarly, with self-hypnosis, if the subject enters a trance themselves, how can they program their own mind without any conscious thought?

I refer to:
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Trance.html
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Void_Meditation.html
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Hypnosis.html

If trance and void are not the same, then what is the difference?

If some level of 'directive male thought' is in fact possible whilst in a trance state, what method can be used to keep that level 'low' so that the aims of void meditation can be achieved and the desired trance state is maintained?

All I have to state is bravo [@Member: Gnome], in all the years of trying to learn void, trance I've never come across a person who so succinctly and properly asked What is Void? What is Trance? And how is Trance and Void different IF said produce similarities or have similar properties?

Anyway to answer your question with pure logic without any experience in trance nor void. I CAN clear my mind and I CAN hold thoughtlessness for a second or two enough millisecond time period to generate a sense of capacity in the factor or natural thought suspension i.e. say your paying attention to a far away conversation and trying to make it out even your own thoughts become noises making it difficult to hear mentally to said conversation.

I believe the people who've stated or state void is the ability to blank your mind might be stating something which requires a lot of training and void. In my personal opinion from studying some people's comments I believe it's better to state learn single-pointed concentration first then try and seek out the full breathe of voiding.

In other words void falls into two spectrum either total thought suspension which CAN produce a trance alpha state depression in the person more mental rather than physical. OR single pointed concentration whereby IF your performing say a runic ritual the Rune is centered in your body and your visualizing that so realistically and so strongly it's almost if not outright real.

Trance the simplest description that I've read of trance is: Mind awake, Body Asleep. Despite the fact a trance is about making your go under the "ocean" so to speak. The entire point of trance is to learn to maintain consciousness in a deeper level alpha, theta, delta etc.etc. It's about learning both diving and maintaining at a deeper level.

Diving because you want to go deeper at some point not right away some people could get scared delving deeper it's fine take your time. But also diving back down to said level. Say for example your Alpha tranced at level 9 well you come back up to beta and the next time you dive not to level 1, 2, or 3 but fall right back to level 9 and dive deeper or go deeper or stay at that depth learning the ins and out of the trance.

Mind awake, body asleep is more of an astral projection definition like Robert Bruce states in his books. But it's the most accurate. Why some people have had major dental/medical surgeries under trance no anesthesia. So I believe in more further trance levels the body is more reduced in sensation. It's one of the reasons why both to void i.e. mindfulness and trance people state they sense their physical self growing bigger or smaller or shrinking or expanding or burning or lightning or electricity or some sensation that isn't felt during normal waking time period.

As for hypnosis both self and external hypnosis. You raised some good questions. How can I perform self-hypnosis with my mind i.e. mental talking or physically with my voice without breaking void or trance.

It almost sounds like we are cheating IF void and trance induces states of relaxation physical and mental a drowsy sleep like which in essence is sleep condition while being conscious. Then how can I state affirmations or present tense speak to hypnotize myself both either physically or mentally.

For example one of my all time favorite questions that I've never had answered is "How is guided imagery a form of a meditation IF people visualize and imagine all the time?" IF everyone is living in lalaland trying to live in this harsh, cold world of ours. Then aren't everyone doing guided imagery. Also IF guided imagery requires intent and the person intends to meditate on guided imagery How do they accomplish both void/mindfulness and trance altered stated if said guided imagery requires mental processes of the conscious mind.

I guess what I'm trying to state is what defines conscious thought, visualizing, imagery, fantasizing, dreaming, day dreaming. What exactly determines self-hypnosis and self-hypnotic actions physical, mental etc.etc.

Your entire post can go deeper. Perhaps I'm over thinking it's true very true I am but I've spent years trying to learn this stuff. Pure obsession only to learn "I can't". Like I said your post is TRULY AWESOME I hope you become an in depth member and propagate and become better cause it sounds like you have a deep understanding of things being able to simply condense them down to very acute and succient wordings.

I look forward to more of your questions and more answers from members here on this forum on trance, void, and hypnosis as even I myself as ashamed as I should be for being here for decades should have at least by now been able to accomplish this stuff years ago really.

 

[gnome]

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Thanks Blitzkreig

The explanation you have provided makes perfect sense to me. The two compliment each other, right?

Are there any lifestyle/practice changes that one can make to make it easier to stay in a position of control over their thoughts?

My practice of both so far has been great on one day, but not so great on the next.

 

[gnome]

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Thanks Gear88 for giving me all of that insight. I am glad you found my question interesting.

It definitely does make more sense branching void into different levels and the difference between mindfulness / single-pointed focus vs. a completely blank mind. My original assumption was that the purpose of void was only the latter (hence confusion with trance), but now I realise that the JoS void page can be interpreted the way you have described.

Do you know any way to improve awareness of thoughts generally? Some days I catch myself on an unwanted thought tangent straight away, and "dissolve" it. Other days, I've already jumped through several thought spirals before I notice, which can be frustrating when it keeps happening during practice. That's also why I've asked Blitzkreig if he's aware of anything that can affect that day to day. I think "heavy meals" was listed on one of the JoS pages, but that doesn't seem to be it for me.

 

[friðr]

For example one of my all time favorite questions that I've never had answered is "How is guided imagery a form of a meditation IF people visualize and imagine all the time?" IF everyone is living in lalaland trying to live in this harsh, cold world of ours. Then aren't everyone doing guided imagery. Also IF guided imagery requires intent and the person intends to meditate on guided imagery How do they accomplish both void/mindfulness and trance altered stated if said guided imagery requires mental processes of the conscious mind.

I think guided imagery really shines when you keep your focus/concentration on 1 thing only and also add intent with your willpower.

It is true like you said everyone does it but they don't really do it effectively. Like a lot of people who are without Father Satan "meditate" but in watered down and/or wrong maybe even harmful ways.

I understand the logical fallacy you are pointing out with the Void but I believe it's just that your keep your mind Void except for that one thing your are meditating upon. Like what you are visualizing for example.

Hope that was somewhat relevant.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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Thanks Blitzkreig

The explanation you have provided makes perfect sense to me. The two compliment each other, right?

Are there any lifestyle/practice changes that one can make to make it easier to stay in a position of control over their thoughts?

My practice of both so far has been great on one day, but not so great on the next.

From a physical standpoint, a skinny/vata constitution person will have a little more trouble keeping their focus consistent and grounded. This is also synonymous with yin deficiency in Traditional Chinese Medicine. Yin is anything stable, cool, grounded. So if you feel anxious, flighty, overheated, unable to sit still or sleep well, then this is likely the case.

Someone who is more of a overweight/kapha constitution will have a harder time with motivation, as they are suffering from a yang deficiency. Yang is anything moving, heating, actionable, like the digestive fire. In this way they have a lower spark or "fuel" for thought. However, they have lots of yin and can hold their thoughts or habits longer, assuming they actually begin them.

Certain organ imbalances with of course make it harder to focus in their own ways. You know if this is the case if you have other symptoms, such as headache, aches/pains, improper digestion, elimination, or sleep, for example.

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The solution to the above is yoga and exercise, combined with good sleep and an appropriate diet that takes into account your inherent constitution, any current imbalances, and any seasonal changes. Seeking out a TCM doctor can also expedite this process, if you currently suffer from anything.

I would at least suggest looking googling about your "dosha" or constitution, as this will clue you into symptoms you may most likely encounter. In addition, google about any symptoms you have, from a TCM standpoint. For example "heartburn tcm" would clue you into a stomach heat pattern that can be resolved by dietary modification.

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Another important aspect of focus in our modern world is being mindful of all the distractions around you. The modern person has a significantly worse ability to focus, since their brain is trained for Tik-Tok videos, instagram scrolling, video games, and porn. Restricting or breaking these habits (such as with software blockers), can reset the brain's baseline ability to focus to a much better spot. Of course, doing void meditation provides this sort of counterbalance anyway.

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Last, but not least, is simply lots and lots of void meditation. Like any other skill, this will change your brain both over the long-term and short-term to better exert control over your emotions and focus. There is not substitute for this, and it is one of the most important, essential aspects of spiritual training.

I would recommend doing void in chunks, like exercise sets, where you do 5 minutes x 3 sets, or whatever is appropriate for you. The goal being that you can focus intensely during that time, while still being challenged. Doing 20 minutes as a beginner may make you burn out at the 7 minute mark, for example.

Do not forget your the power of workings in influencing yourself. Sowilo is good for adding more of a fire element approach to you, where you have more motivation and drive. Nauthiz is also of the element of fire, but it is more disciplined and Saturn-like. This is better for cultivating discipline and endurance. Both are good to use.

On about the 26th of April, in roughly a week, the esbat is in Scorpio, which would be a good time for willpower-related growth. Additionally, on about the 22nd, the moon is in leo, which is good for sun-related workings like Sowilo.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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All I have to state is bravo [@Member: Gnome], in all the years of trying to learn void, trance I've never come across a person who so succinctly and properly asked What is Void? What is Trance? And how is Trance and Void different IF said produce similarities or have similar properties?

I got the impression of Gnome as having some air element in them, based on reading their post. Very-well worded, indeed.

I believe the people who've stated or state void is the ability to blank your mind might be stating something which requires a lot of training and void. In my personal opinion from studying some people's comments I believe it's better to state learn single-pointed concentration first then try and seek out the full breathe of voiding.

This is correct. It is sort of like learning to walk before learning to ride a bike. In this sense, it is harder to first blank the mind if you are completely untrained. I would agree that it is easier for a beginner to first focus on simply focusing on a spot in their mind than to worry about the "auditory" component of it. However, voiding the mind itself is important for psychic work so one does not fall victim to psychic interference, for example.

For example one of my all time favorite questions that I've never had answered is "How is guided imagery a form of a meditation IF people visualize and imagine all the time?" IF everyone is living in lalaland trying to live in this harsh, cold world of ours. Then aren't everyone doing guided imagery. Also IF guided imagery requires intent and the person intends to meditate on guided imagery How do they accomplish both void/mindfulness and trance altered stated if said guided imagery requires mental processes of the conscious mind.

Do you mean guided imagery as in training your visualization ability, or just daydreaming? It is a meditation in the sense that you are forcing your brain to visualize specific things, not just whatever it would rather think about. It is just like void meditation, where you are controlling your thoughts based, not allowing the brain to do what it wants to do instead.

Trance doesn't shut down the conscious mind, at least not fully, but it does open up the subconscious. So you should still be able to do whatever you want in your head, including imagining things. Maybe I am misreading your question, though.

Perhaps I'm over thinking it's true very true I am but I've spent years trying to learn this stuff. Pure obsession only to learn "I can't"...
...as even I myself as ashamed as I should be for being here for decades should have at least by now been able to accomplish this stuff years ago really.

I don't understand. You have the potential just by being a gentile soul. Don't beat yourself up for this, and never think this is impossible either.

I remember reading something by Stormblood where he said something like "Nauthiz is used for stopping the self-pity party". Nauthiz is a rune of need, but also self-sufficiency, will, and Saturn. So you should use this to change yourself however you need to, whether this is physical, mental, etc.

This upcoming esbat, on the 26th, the moon is in scorpio and good for the will, but also transformations. I would recommend starting a Nauthiz working then and use it in a broad sense. Don't say "it is giving me the will..." because this may limit it if other things are influencing you. I would say "Nauthiz is...making me consistently advance spiritually on a daily basis..." etc. In this way, Nauthiz is changing you in all ways such that you do what needs to be done, whether this is lifestyle stuff, mental stuff, or whatever.

120 reps of Nauthiz may take about 35-40 minutes, including affirmation, and depending on how long you do each vibration. Use this as a reference to pick a rep count that suits you. You can always start lower, like at 60, then move up as the working takes hold and you start to build the ability to do more. Since this sort of working is important, I would definitely carry it out to at least 80 days.

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As far as affirmations go, like I was saying, keep generally broad, yet focused on making you advance spiritually daily. Let it work on all aspects of your life and body so it doesn't miss anything.

"“The energies of Nauthiz have fully and permanently changed me to now and always: easily, efficiently, and consistently advance spiritually on a daily basis, in a manner that is quick for my level, while still completing all my life's responsibilities, and despite any obstacles in my path. This energy works in a manner that is completely healthy, safe, and positive for me."

This is an example. Perhaps the later half could be more concise, but I was trying to make it address the fact that you have to balance and complete your daily work and chores as well as spiritual work. In addition, I wanted it to give resilience in the face of a bad day, or poor sleep, or something, such that you never fall off again.

If this affirmation is not too long for you to focus on, then it should be ok. Otherwise, you can try to chop it down a bit. I think the above paragraph gives a good "summary" of it that allows you to get the idea of the affirmation anyway, so you shouldn't lose focus while saying it.

That is my suggestion to you. There is always a solution to your problems or obstacles, and Nauthiz is one of them. I would highly recommend using this and hop back on the train. The upcoming esbat looks very good for this, so don't miss the opportunity.

 

[Gearshift]

...Nauthiz...

1st. - Guided imagery to me seems like glorified daydreaming. Reminds me of being in school since a long time elementary, middle, and high school in which I would just day dream all day and ignore everything since I hated school and it was boring. I recall earlier in my youth doing some guided imagery but it just seems like reading a book I invent the scene and process it. Felt just like day dreaming. It kinds reminds me of practicing astral projection I try and do the visual aspect and what is the point it doesn't work. I'm not in a trance nor mind awake, body asleep and like it happens to me eventually my mind is fatigued. At the end of the day I go to bed tired and just want to sleep I don't want to waste my time visualizing or thinking or whatever. In other words I'm the type of person whereby I go to bed and the entire day falls unto me.

2nd. - As for Nauthiz rune. Your affirmation isn't bad just I've been under the assumption affirmations work better more concise. I've gone through my fair share of periods re-evaluating affirmations and I've yet to understand them. Some state concise well, some state long and explaining, some just state moderate. No idea whom is correct or what is correct.

3rd. - I really do not wish to perform any mantras or meditate. Already cleaning/protecting/chakra spin is more than I can handle. I have absolutely no idea what meditation is nor desire to meditate. I'm utterly burnt out with this brute force logical method of meditation. It doesn't work for me I've been at this years.

I recently had a friend who does meditation come back into my life and is doing magick and whatnot and it worked for him to a degree. Great for me him but magick has never worked for me nor done anything for me.

I can't genuinely state if I did something and something occurred due to what I did spiritually.

I guess in the end I gotta do everything the hard way through physical/mental action.

To me spirituality is just a mental curiosity like vicariousness like just learn it for the sake of learning. I have no idea if RTrs work or magick works or kaballah works or whatever. It could just simply be humanity is fed up with certain people and ideas and are just doing everything to go back.

I don't feel different, I don't feel happy, I meditate and it's an utter waste of time. I don't feel or know what clean is or protected or what is a psychic attack or what is psychic or anything for that matter.

It seems I'm just a psycho who does things because there is nothing better to do and because life sucks might as well do something to pass the time. IF I were more realistic and more concrete and a better person maybe I wouldn't be wasting my time here nor wasting other peoples time and I'd be living my life maybe making money or doing something or whatever.

All I know is I grew up and that is it nothing special or anything. I live the same way pretty much since a little kid. It's always SS;DD(Same Shit; Different day).

So I'm not gonna do 90 days of 120 Nauthiz because it's not gonna do anything. I'm gonna sit down visualize nauthiz in my body with white-gold or some other color. As best as I can possibly vibrate nauthiz 15-20 minutes for about 120. Performing the affirmation. Since I don't know what to visualize and I have no idea what to do. I simply raise, program go with my day and I do it for 90 days and nothing is gonna happen.

Well at least for me IF other people experience things great but nothing is gonna happen. It's not gonna change anything, it's not gonna do anything, and I'm just gonna find anything to justify it works when in reality it never worked, didn't do anything, and I'm simply justifying for the sake of trying to some how lie to myself that spirituality is real.

I honestly never know why I even bothered to join the forums reminds me of the old JoSministries.ProPHP forums I wanted to join spent two-three days deliberating and at the end said nope that was in 2016 nearing 2017 before the forums were shut donw. I should have just lurked and been in my normal hmm interesting guess people can change the world maybe magick is real or it isn't at least people are doing things.

To me spirituality has not become fun or enjoyable or anything I'm unhappy. Has it worked for me no, no not at all.

Maybe I should stop posting on the forums. The only reason I stay is because I consider myself National Socialist since 7 years old. At the end of the day I like spirituality have no idea what to do and what to accomplish and it's the same with NatSoc, What is National Socialism?. Seems like it's been so utterly destroyed no one has a concrete understanding even reading and watching videos on it that we have just leaves me with more questions than answers. Actually as a matter of fact the answers delve into more things which leads to more questions so even the answers are questions unto themselves.

 

[gnome]

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Thanks Blitzkreig, you do a really good job here. I will study the advice you have given and see where it can be applied appropriately to myself.

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

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Your situation is different than I thought. I assumed you had an issue with perhaps motivation or willpower, as this is more common. It sounds to me like you should work on your astral senses more. This would immediately make clear and tangible the energy on the astral. When an advanced member can judge the astral, they can actually sense and see it. It is no longer just hoping or guessing something is working.

Have you felt energy? Also, what about your third eye/astral vision? When you perform these exercises, don't you see anything? Your chakras should look brighter and more vivid. If you focus on your aura, you should be able to slightly see it.

Meditation should only be logical until your astral senses come into play, then it is no longer abstract, but tangible. I think you should focus on this more. You can use the Logr rune to increase sensitivity, for example. Maybe someone else would have a good idea as well.

Sensing magic or the results of it is part of your advancement, however if you think it is your weak point, then you should focus more on it. Don't think that because you cannot sense it, it is not working. All you need to do is focus more on here. Doubly so if is causing you distress.

If you are into the concept of spirituality, and you have been a NatSoc since age 7 (!), then to me this seems like you are definitely an older, Satanic soul. That means you cannot give up on this, nor let your sensitivities hold you back.

As far as concrete understanding of NatSoc stuff, or even anything, this is what spiritual intuition is for. Spiritual senses are how one can truly find the truth and separate it from the deception. Satanism may tell us to keep meditating even if we do not feel it, as a beginner, but this is only temporary. Eventually we will be able to sense everything and the energetic implications.

Just remember that there is always a fix for everything. So you are not "doomed" to doing your spiritual work from only a logical/abstract perspective. You merely have to work on your sensitivity and other astral senses.

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Instead of Nauthiz, I would recommend Logr instead. Make use of the plutonian nature of Scorpio to instead transform your astral sensitivity. In addition, do the third eye opening and make sure you also practice looking through your third eye, not just vibrating at it. Also, focus on inhaling energy and the directing energy meditations. This will boost your astral feeling.

Also, I would consider asking the Gods to guide you to your solution. I had no idea you felt the way you did, and it sounds like it is distressing you. I don't want you to leave, and I especially don't want you to give on your spiritual inheritance. You are not broken or any different than your friend or anyone here.

Everyone has their weak points or obstacles and perhaps is yours. This would show on the natal chart and so forth. Anyway, this is all fixable, and I hope it comes easy to you!

 

[Gearshift]

If you are into the concept of spirituality, and you have been a NatSoc since age 7 (!), then to me this seems like you are definitely an older, Satanic soul. That means you cannot give up on this, nor let your sensitivities hold you back.

My father left right around when he heard my mother got pregnant. When he returned 3 years later when I was 3 we moved to an apartment in our city. My father had been into spiritual stuff since late-70s, early 80s. So after a few months we had a few situations. For example my father was into Mahraji(Prem Rawat), Shorade(A form of Reiki), and psychological stuff. Basically if I had to describe in modern days with my hatred and anger towards my parents as I hate them with my entire mind, body, and soul. He is a hyper annoying hyper water Pisces who has all his planets and certain aspects in Water so in total there are like 12 astrological stuff found in Water on his Astro-Chart I did.

One time we flew to California for a session at a convention for Prem Rawat. As a matter of fact several times during my 3-4-5 years old nearing unto 6 when explicably he stopped going several times I was going to these places. For example people were doing guided meditation and speech by Prem Rawat and I felt all the radiation of energy coming from these people and got hopped up on it and went crazy in the staircase area before the speaking convention area. Another time I was in the Shorade building and someone fired a blast of energy from their palm into my stomach area. I wasn't in the room but was outside playing and I could feel a metallic warble inside my stomach.

After we had moved to our house. My parents took me several times to this occultist friend of his who died a few years ago. Well funny enough thanks to him he helped me out and I think I looked at some of his books and may have read them.

At either 6 and half nearing 7 or after my birthday we got cable television. And I feel in love with WW2 and Warfare and combat and whatnot watching the History channel. Like this person on youtube said on a video I watched of him playing Red Orchestra 2, I'm like obsessed with WW2. Yeah no surprise, you might have seen me as some 7 or 8 year old kid back then but my mind was just thinking about sex, WW2, alternative history, combat, killing people etc.etc.

If it weren't for WW2 I would not have found the JoS back when I was 12 years old in 2003. Thanks to my LOVE of WW2 and everything about it and all the stuff I've researched and studied. I would not be here. I found JoS what April 10ish-15ish then two weeks later April 29th wanted to do it on April 30th but didn't know about astrological conditions. And dedicated not even two weeks later.

Instead of Nauthiz, I would recommend Logr instead. Make use of the plutonian nature of Scorpio to instead transform your astral sensitivity. In addition, do the third eye opening and make sure you also practice looking through your third eye, not just vibrating at it. Also, focus on inhaling energy and the directing energy meditations. This will boost your astral feeling.

Also, I would consider asking the Gods to guide you to your solution. I had no idea you felt the way you did, and it sounds like it is distressing you. I don't want you to leave, and I especially don't want you to give on your spiritual inheritance. You are not broken or any different than your friend or anyone here.

Everyone has their weak points or obstacles and perhaps is yours. This would show on the natal chart and so forth. Anyway, this is all fixable, and I hope it comes easy to you!

I'm actually surprised you mention I need MORE Plutonic energy. I've already got some heavy Plutonic aspects and positions. And my Pluto is in Scorpio.

I'll think about it and see what I'll do but I'm not gonna make any promises on doing. Most likely I won't do it and even if I do it I'll probably part-way through forget to do it skip and day and ruin the 90 day working like my Munka working I was doing. Skipped a day and just went great ruined a 90 day working.

And no I don't logically meditate. I guess I don't know how to express myself. I meditate normally normal brain normal mental process. There is nothing special about meditating that I do. I don't void, trance, or bother to relax. As a matter of fact I can't relax and hate relaxing. I truly hate relaxing it deeply bothers me to be relaxed. Funny when I sit down and relax all I feel is the pain and aches of my body and it's just annoying feeling my body.

I simply do this I perform the meditation like cleaning. While other thoughts are abound cause my mind likes to think and I'm a thinker. At the end of the day like my old saying it works, it works, I do it, it doesn't work, it doesn't work I still do it.

The fact of the matter is even if spirituality and religion is fake I'd rather it be JoS only or Pagan religions rather than judeo-bolshevism. We've already seen way too much like the late Dr. William Luther Pierce stated "Jews have been at war with the World for thousands of years".

I'm sick and tired of stupid, retarded people. Tired of people sucking christs cock for everything. Tired of humans always living in some stupid judeo-bolshevik way.

I just want the World and by and by technology and society to be better.

 

[Sundara]

Please can somebody try to help me understand what the difference is between void meditation and entering a trance state?

Here is where my confusion stems:

If void meditation requires you to have no thought, then essentially it is the same as switching off the left-side brain. Therefore the right female brain becomes active - which is the same requirement to enter a trance state. So is void meditation essentially the same as entering a light trance, where the subject is 'aware' but does not have conscious thought?

A lot of workings are said to be better if one enters a light trance first. If this is the case, then the left male brain is switched off - and there is no conscious thought. How then does the subject direct themselves through the rest of the working? Similarly, with self-hypnosis, if the subject enters a trance themselves, how can they program their own mind without any conscious thought?

I refer to:
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Trance.html
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Satanic_Void_Meditation.html
https://satanisgod.org/www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Hypnosis.html

If trance and void are not the same, then what is the difference?

If some level of 'directive male thought' is in fact possible whilst in a trance state, what method can be used to keep that level 'low' so that the aims of void meditation can be achieved and the desired trance state is maintained?

They can be similar depending on your method. But void meditation is all about being completely present, you can be awake and even active for it. Not thinking about the past or future, when thoughts occur just letting them drift away. Being completely enveloped in the moment.

Trance is about entering a state of sleep while remaining aware. Like with lucid dreams, but even more control. Void helps with this.


For your last question the best thing I’d recommend is a mix of void but to be less direct about it, allowing yourself to freely drift while remaining conscious and controlled. You’ll figure out a balance with practice. Self hypnosis is difficult for a lot of beginners and controlled trance. In my opinion one of the most beneficial things a person can practice and very important. This is how the most accurate past life information comes out versus during kundalini transitions.

Just be sure to have fun with it and relax. The first time I actually came out of my body was during practice for this. A lot of focus and “male thought”. I had absolutely no idea how to come out of my body and to me it just felt like a trance. Wasn’t sure if I was even in a trance at times. I wanted to try coming out of my body but every time I did so I would physically get up, until one day I thought I had physically gotten up and I walked over to a mirror and couldn’t see myself. I looked back at my body and then was shocked and zapped back in. This felt completely like being physically awake and no different. Other times astral projection has occurred has been in dreams which is an entirely different experience. There’s different types of astral projection.

 

[gnome]

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Great explanations, thanks

Is astral projection a natural progression once void and trance have been 'mastered'? Is this something you are able to do easily now, or mostly by accident?

 

[Jack]

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Thanks Gear88 for giving me all of that insight. I am glad you found my question interesting.

It definitely does make more sense branching void into different levels and the difference between mindfulness / single-pointed focus vs. a completely blank mind. My original assumption was that the purpose of void was only the latter (hence confusion with trance), but now I realise that the JoS void page can be interpreted the way you have described.

Do you know any way to improve awareness of thoughts generally? Some days I catch myself on an unwanted thought tangent straight away, and "dissolve" it. Other days, I've already jumped through several thought spirals before I notice, which can be frustrating when it keeps happening during practice. That's also why I've asked Blitzkreig if he's aware of anything that can affect that day to day. I think "heavy meals" was listed on one of the JoS pages, but that doesn't seem to be it for me.

Search for Franz Bardons Initiation into Hermetics book. It has a section called Mental Training which deals with what your looking for.

 

[Jack]

If you are into the concept of spirituality, and you have been a NatSoc since age 7 (!), then to me this seems like you are definitely an older, Satanic soul. That means you cannot give up on this, nor let your sensitivities hold you back.

My father left right around when he heard my mother got pregnant. When he returned 3 years later when I was 3 we moved to an apartment in our city. My father had been into spiritual stuff since late-70s, early 80s. So after a few months we had a few situations. For example my father was into Mahraji(Prem Rawat), Shorade(A form of Reiki), and psychological stuff. Basically if I had to describe in modern days with my hatred and anger towards my parents as I hate them with my entire mind, body, and soul. He is a hyper annoying hyper water Pisces who has all his planets and certain aspects in Water so in total there are like 12 astrological stuff found in Water on his Astro-Chart I did.

One time we flew to California for a session at a convention for Prem Rawat. As a matter of fact several times during my 3-4-5 years old nearing unto 6 when explicably he stopped going several times I was going to these places. For example people were doing guided meditation and speech by Prem Rawat and I felt all the radiation of energy coming from these people and got hopped up on it and went crazy in the staircase area before the speaking convention area. Another time I was in the Shorade building and someone fired a blast of energy from their palm into my stomach area. I wasn't in the room but was outside playing and I could feel a metallic warble inside my stomach.

After we had moved to our house. My parents took me several times to this occultist friend of his who died a few years ago. Well funny enough thanks to him he helped me out and I think I looked at some of his books and may have read them.

At either 6 and half nearing 7 or after my birthday we got cable television. And I feel in love with WW2 and Warfare and combat and whatnot watching the History channel. Like this person on youtube said on a video I watched of him playing Red Orchestra 2, I'm like obsessed with WW2. Yeah no surprise, you might have seen me as some 7 or 8 year old kid back then but my mind was just thinking about sex, WW2, alternative history, combat, killing people etc.etc.

If it weren't for WW2 I would not have found the JoS back when I was 12 years old in 2003. Thanks to my LOVE of WW2 and everything about it and all the stuff I've researched and studied. I would not be here. I found JoS what April 10ish-15ish then two weeks later April 29th wanted to do it on April 30th but didn't know about astrological conditions. And dedicated not even two weeks later.

Instead of Nauthiz, I would recommend Logr instead. Make use of the plutonian nature of Scorpio to instead transform your astral sensitivity. In addition, do the third eye opening and make sure you also practice looking through your third eye, not just vibrating at it. Also, focus on inhaling energy and the directing energy meditations. This will boost your astral feeling.

Also, I would consider asking the Gods to guide you to your solution. I had no idea you felt the way you did, and it sounds like it is distressing you. I don't want you to leave, and I especially don't want you to give on your spiritual inheritance. You are not broken or any different than your friend or anyone here.

Everyone has their weak points or obstacles and perhaps is yours. This would show on the natal chart and so forth. Anyway, this is all fixable, and I hope it comes easy to you!

I'm actually surprised you mention I need MORE Plutonic energy. I've already got some heavy Plutonic aspects and positions. And my Pluto is in Scorpio.

I'll think about it and see what I'll do but I'm not gonna make any promises on doing. Most likely I won't do it and even if I do it I'll probably part-way through forget to do it skip and day and ruin the 90 day working like my Munka working I was doing. Skipped a day and just went great ruined a 90 day working.

And no I don't logically meditate. I guess I don't know how to express myself. I meditate normally normal brain normal mental process. There is nothing special about meditating that I do. I don't void, trance, or bother to relax. As a matter of fact I can't relax and hate relaxing. I truly hate relaxing it deeply bothers me to be relaxed. Funny when I sit down and relax all I feel is the pain and aches of my body and it's just annoying feeling my body.

I simply do this I perform the meditation like cleaning. While other thoughts are abound cause my mind likes to think and I'm a thinker. At the end of the day like my old saying it works, it works, I do it, it doesn't work, it doesn't work I still do it.

The fact of the matter is even if spirituality and religion is fake I'd rather it be JoS only or Pagan religions rather than judeo-bolshevism. We've already seen way too much like the late Dr. William Luther Pierce stated "Jews have been at war with the World for thousands of years".

I'm sick and tired of stupid, retarded people. Tired of people sucking christs cock for everything. Tired of humans always living in some stupid judeo-bolshevik way.

I just want the World and by and by technology and society to be better.

You don't have to meditate if meditation doesn't work for you. Why don't you use all the time and energy getting weapons training to learn to fight in the upcoming race war and learn self sufficiency like prepping. Many people could be saved if one inside their group knows how to handle himself.

Everyone has a role to play in society. If you're a psychopath ,you also have a role to play when the time comes. No one will have the stomach to do the things that are required to do in the coming years. But since you can't feel anything, you can do those things which will inadvertently save lives. Someone has to do the dirty work and it may as well be you.

You need to start getting prepared and involved with militia groups and preppers. Also try to join America First political groups where you can work materially to help the cause which you can do because you have nothing to lose.

 

[gnome]

Search for Franz Bardons Initiation into Hermetics book. It has a section called Mental Training which deals with what your looking for.

I found a PDF copy online and read through this section. I like how it breaks down void into levels first 'monitor train of thought', then 'maintain focus on a single thought' and finally 'maintain no thought'. Seems like a great book, thanks.

Before now, I have been choosing to focus on the gaps/silence between thoughts, and let any thoughts pass by. This is easy for me to do on some days, and more difficult on others. I will instead adapt my practice to 'monitor train of thought' on those difficult days.

Also, I've enjoyed reading some of your other posts on here Jack, so thanks again.

 

[Shadowcat]

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Thanks Blitzkreig

The explanation you have provided makes perfect sense to me. The two compliment each other, right?

Are there any lifestyle/practice changes that one can make to make it easier to stay in a position of control over their thoughts?

My practice of both so far has been great on one day, but not so great on the next.

From a physical standpoint, a skinny/vata constitution person will have a little more trouble keeping their focus consistent and grounded. This is also synonymous with yin deficiency in Traditional Chinese Medicine. Yin is anything stable, cool, grounded. So if you feel anxious, flighty, overheated, unable to sit still or sleep well, then this is likely the case.

Someone who is more of a overweight/kapha constitution will have a harder time with motivation, as they are suffering from a yang deficiency. Yang is anything moving, heating, actionable, like the digestive fire. In this way they have a lower spark or "fuel" for thought. However, they have lots of yin and can hold their thoughts or habits longer, assuming they actually begin them.

Certain organ imbalances with of course make it harder to focus in their own ways. You know if this is the case if you have other symptoms, such as headache, aches/pains, improper digestion, elimination, or sleep, for example.

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The solution to the above is yoga and exercise, combined with good sleep and an appropriate diet that takes into account your inherent constitution, any current imbalances, and any seasonal changes. Seeking out a TCM doctor can also expedite this process, if you currently suffer from anything.

I would at least suggest looking googling about your "dosha" or constitution, as this will clue you into symptoms you may most likely encounter. In addition, google about any symptoms you have, from a TCM standpoint. For example "heartburn tcm" would clue you into a stomach heat pattern that can be resolved by dietary modification.

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Another important aspect of focus in our modern world is being mindful of all the distractions around you. The modern person has a significantly worse ability to focus, since their brain is trained for Tik-Tok videos, instagram scrolling, video games, and porn. Restricting or breaking these habits (such as with software blockers), can reset the brain's baseline ability to focus to a much better spot. Of course, doing void meditation provides this sort of counterbalance anyway.

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Last, but not least, is simply lots and lots of void meditation. Like any other skill, this will change your brain both over the long-term and short-term to better exert control over your emotions and focus. There is not substitute for this, and it is one of the most important, essential aspects of spiritual training.

I would recommend doing void in chunks, like exercise sets, where you do 5 minutes x 3 sets, or whatever is appropriate for you. The goal being that you can focus intensely during that time, while still being challenged. Doing 20 minutes as a beginner may make you burn out at the 7 minute mark, for example.

Do not forget your the power of workings in influencing yourself. Sowilo is good for adding more of a fire element approach to you, where you have more motivation and drive. Nauthiz is also of the element of fire, but it is more disciplined and Saturn-like. This is better for cultivating discipline and endurance. Both are good to use.

On about the 26th of April, in roughly a week, the esbat is in Scorpio, which would be a good time for willpower-related growth. Additionally, on about the 22nd, the moon is in leo, which is good for sun-related workings like Sowilo.

My TCM has been giving me acupuncture and also gave me herbs to clean out liver fire for anger issues. It's been almost a week and I don't notice anything some say it can take up to a month to notice a change. Would you happen to have any idea on this? She gave me something called long Dan Xie Gan pian for liver fireclear and to take 4 pills of it 2x a day. It's all Chinese herbs

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

My TCM has been giving me acupuncture and also gave me herbs to clean out liver fire for anger issues. It's been almost a week and I don't notice anything some say it can take up to a month to notice a change. Would you happen to have any idea on this? She gave me something called long Dan Xie Gan pian for liver fireclear and to take 4 pills of it 2x a day. It's all Chinese herbs

The herbs or acupuncture represent a push in the right direction for the condition of the imbalance, but the overall degree of healing is the net influence of all factors, both good and bad. In other words, you can expedite or slow your healing through other actions.

If you had PMS and anger, then liver fire is very probable here. If you are kapha-oriented, and dealing with kapha-excess issues (the bodily congestion), then the original cause of the liver fire is related to it becoming stagnated. This can result from an excess of dense, fatty foods (red meat) or a lack of cooling and cleaning foods (green veggies). A lack of exercise can also result in a build of stagnation in the liver.

Once stagnation arises, pathological heat soon follows as the organ works overtime to clear itself. The presence of stagnation shows that the yang of the organ is low, and therefore yin resources are mobilized. As the yin resources are used up over a period of time, then the heat becomes unchecked. In the case of the liver, these heat pathogens rise up to the head and cause headaches and emotional disturbance.

The liver is also responsible for regulating energy flow and maintaining certain blood supplies. So when this becomes comprised, conditions like PMS can result.

You can read more about your pills here, although I am sure you were given some sort of pamphlet: https://www.activeherb.com/longdan/?pdcode=AH117W

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Anyway, yeah this can take some time to clear. You are trying to both remove kapha-excess debris, plus restore the yin and remove excess heat of the liver. Once you become accustomed to doing certain activities to maintain this, it won't become such a pain. You are working on an issue relevant to your constitution, so progress is being made in your overall advancement.

Other things that can help include holding the Liver-3 acupoint as much as you can, going to sleep before 11pm, following the kapha diet (which removes dampness), drinking dandelion tea (removes heat), drinking apple cider vinegar (removes dampness), drinking lemon/lime juice (clears heat), cardio exercise (unblocks stagnation, removes internal heat through sweating).

Your constitution is able to replenish yin easily so don't feel like you need to eat large amounts of fats or proteins, especially while you are trying to firstly remove the liver fire. Whitefish would be the best protein source since it is very light. Other options are shown on the kapha-diet pages.

Eat as many veggies as you need to fill you up, as this will only help your condition. Green veggies clear heat and remove stagnation from the body, especially the liver. For example, take a big amount of frozen, mixed veggies and steam them on the stovetop. This is the most convenient means of producing a large amount of veggies.

Don't feel bad about eating, just pick the right foods. Calories are irrelevant when you look at the energetic properties of the foods, not like veggies have a lot of calories either. I have known people who count them as "carbs" and try to restrict them, which doesn't help.

Anyway, hope this helped.

 

[Shadowcat]

My TCM has been giving me acupuncture and also gave me herbs to clean out liver fire for anger issues. It's been almost a week and I don't notice anything some say it can take up to a month to notice a change. Would you happen to have any idea on this? She gave me something called long Dan Xie Gan pian for liver fireclear and to take 4 pills of it 2x a day. It's all Chinese herbs

The herbs or acupuncture represent a push in the right direction for the condition of the imbalance, but the overall degree of healing is the net influence of all factors, both good and bad. In other words, you can expedite or slow your healing through other actions.

If you had PMS and anger, then liver fire is very probable here. If you are kapha-oriented, and dealing with kapha-excess issues (the bodily congestion), then the original cause of the liver fire is related to it becoming stagnated. This can result from an excess of dense, fatty foods (red meat) or a lack of cooling and cleaning foods (green veggies). A lack of exercise can also result in a build of stagnation in the liver.

Once stagnation arises, pathological heat soon follows as the organ works overtime to clear itself. The presence of stagnation shows that the yang of the organ is low, and therefore yin resources are mobilized. As the yin resources are used up over a period of time, then the heat becomes unchecked. In the case of the liver, these heat pathogens rise up to the head and cause headaches and emotional disturbance.

The liver is also responsible for regulating energy flow and maintaining certain blood supplies. So when this becomes comprised, conditions like PMS can result.

You can read more about your pills here, although I am sure you were given some sort of pamphlet: https://www.activeherb.com/longdan/?pdcode=AH117W

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Anyway, yeah this can take some time to clear. You are trying to both remove kapha-excess debris, plus restore the yin and remove excess heat of the liver. Once you become accustomed to doing certain activities to maintain this, it won't become such a pain. You are working on an issue relevant to your constitution, so progress is being made in your overall advancement.

Other things that can help include holding the Liver-3 acupoint as much as you can, going to sleep before 11pm, following the kapha diet (which removes dampness), drinking dandelion tea (removes heat), drinking apple cider vinegar (removes dampness), drinking lemon/lime juice (clears heat), cardio exercise (unblocks stagnation, removes internal heat through sweating).

Your constitution is able to replenish yin easily so don't feel like you need to eat large amounts of fats or proteins, especially while you are trying to firstly remove the liver fire. Whitefish would be the best protein source since it is very light. Other options are shown on the kapha-diet pages.

Eat as many veggies as you need to fill you up, as this will only help your condition. Green veggies clear heat and remove stagnation from the body, especially the liver. For example, take a big amount of frozen, mixed veggies and steam them on the stovetop. This is the most convenient means of producing a large amount of veggies.

Don't feel bad about eating, just pick the right foods. Calories are irrelevant when you look at the energetic properties of the foods, not like veggies have a lot of calories either. I have known people who count them as "carbs" and try to restrict them, which doesn't help.

Anyway, hope this helped.

Yes this is a very big help thank you so much! I am trying to follow the kapha diet more strictly and I also drink diluted apple cider vinegar with water and have started working out again. Going to bed ontime is something I still need to correct. I've cut out alot of sugar gluten and caffeine as well. I am curious though as to the liver acupoint as I am not sure where that is. I'll have to look that up. I eat alot of chicken and fish salmon is my favorite. (I dont think chicken is too heavy?) And I eat alot of rice and some red meat. I'll definately follow the other tips as well. I'll cut red meat and rice back some and see if I can also substitute some nuts. I've also started taking a multi vitamin and a collegen supplement.

 

[Shadowcat]

My TCM has been giving me acupuncture and also gave me herbs to clean out liver fire for anger issues. It's been almost a week and I don't notice anything some say it can take up to a month to notice a change. Would you happen to have any idea on this? She gave me something called long Dan Xie Gan pian for liver fireclear and to take 4 pills of it 2x a day. It's all Chinese herbs

The herbs or acupuncture represent a push in the right direction for the condition of the imbalance, but the overall degree of healing is the net influence of all factors, both good and bad. In other words, you can expedite or slow your healing through other actions.

If you had PMS and anger, then liver fire is very probable here. If you are kapha-oriented, and dealing with kapha-excess issues (the bodily congestion), then the original cause of the liver fire is related to it becoming stagnated. This can result from an excess of dense, fatty foods (red meat) or a lack of cooling and cleaning foods (green veggies). A lack of exercise can also result in a build of stagnation in the liver.

Once stagnation arises, pathological heat soon follows as the organ works overtime to clear itself. The presence of stagnation shows that the yang of the organ is low, and therefore yin resources are mobilized. As the yin resources are used up over a period of time, then the heat becomes unchecked. In the case of the liver, these heat pathogens rise up to the head and cause headaches and emotional disturbance.

The liver is also responsible for regulating energy flow and maintaining certain blood supplies. So when this becomes comprised, conditions like PMS can result.

You can read more about your pills here, although I am sure you were given some sort of pamphlet: https://www.activeherb.com/longdan/?pdcode=AH117W

-----------------------------

Anyway, yeah this can take some time to clear. You are trying to both remove kapha-excess debris, plus restore the yin and remove excess heat of the liver. Once you become accustomed to doing certain activities to maintain this, it won't become such a pain. You are working on an issue relevant to your constitution, so progress is being made in your overall advancement.

Other things that can help include holding the Liver-3 acupoint as much as you can, going to sleep before 11pm, following the kapha diet (which removes dampness), drinking dandelion tea (removes heat), drinking apple cider vinegar (removes dampness), drinking lemon/lime juice (clears heat), cardio exercise (unblocks stagnation, removes internal heat through sweating).

Your constitution is able to replenish yin easily so don't feel like you need to eat large amounts of fats or proteins, especially while you are trying to firstly remove the liver fire. Whitefish would be the best protein source since it is very light. Other options are shown on the kapha-diet pages.

Eat as many veggies as you need to fill you up, as this will only help your condition. Green veggies clear heat and remove stagnation from the body, especially the liver. For example, take a big amount of frozen, mixed veggies and steam them on the stovetop. This is the most convenient means of producing a large amount of veggies.

Don't feel bad about eating, just pick the right foods. Calories are irrelevant when you look at the energetic properties of the foods, not like veggies have a lot of calories either. I have known people who count them as "carbs" and try to restrict them, which doesn't help.

Anyway, hope this helped.

By the way I just took a test to see which body type I fit the most. I'm told that I am basically a hybrid of kapha and pitta with a hint of vatta. I got 10 points for vatta 24 points for pitta and 25 for kapha. I am guessing my diet needs to be sort of a balance of following those two?

 

[Blitzkreig [JG]]

By the way I just took a test to see which body type I fit the most. I'm told that I am basically a hybrid of kapha and pitta with a hint of vatta. I got 10 points for vatta 24 points for pitta and 25 for kapha. I am guessing my diet needs to be sort of a balance of following those two?

That is probably accurate based on what you said about having Mars energy in other posts. Yeah, you would want to reflect that in your diet. If you google "kapha-pitta" diet you can find blended diets. Pitta has more yang energy and needs more cooling yin to stay calm.

A blend of them basically means focusing on cooling and breaking up stagnation simultaneously. This is reflected in the TCM condition of damp-heat, which is a common condition. Heat causes fluids to congeal into dampness, and dampness blocks the body from easily removing the heat.

As much as this sounds like a bad thing to be hybrid, since you now have to worry about two things, it is also a good thing in that you are less inherently prone to those things as well. In other words, you are more balanced in a way. Someone completely kapha risks running out of yang and turning into a zombie, whereas pitta-only can quickly burn through their yin resources and be left ungrounded and unable to calm down.

Like I said before, once you get a handle on these things, it becomes way easier. You will begin to intuitively know what foods to eat, or what acupoints to push, based on how you feel. You are undertaking new responsibilities, but also reaping more rewards.

 

[Shadowcat]

By the way I just took a test to see which body type I fit the most. I'm told that I am basically a hybrid of kapha and pitta with a hint of vatta. I got 10 points for vatta 24 points for pitta and 25 for kapha. I am guessing my diet needs to be sort of a balance of following those two?

That is probably accurate based on what you said about having Mars energy in other posts. Yeah, you would want to reflect that in your diet. If you google "kapha-pitta" diet you can find blended diets. Pitta has more yang energy and needs more cooling yin to stay calm.

A blend of them basically means focusing on cooling and breaking up stagnation simultaneously. This is reflected in the TCM condition of damp-heat, which is a common condition. Heat causes fluids to congeal into dampness, and dampness blocks the body from easily removing the heat.

As much as this sounds like a bad thing to be hybrid, since you now have to worry about two things, it is also a good thing in that you are less inherently prone to those things as well. In other words, you are more balanced in a way. Someone completely kapha risks running out of yang and turning into a zombie, whereas pitta-only can quickly burn through their yin resources and be left ungrounded and unable to calm down.

Like I said before, once you get a handle on these things, it becomes way easier. You will begin to intuitively know what foods to eat, or what acupoints to push, based on how you feel. You are undertaking new responsibilities, but also reaping more rewards.

Thanks again, i have taken a look at what it would mean to incorporate a hybrid diet and found it quite informative!