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The Wisdom Of Saturn

mercury_wisdom said:
Invictus2 said:
I came back to this post to share my experience and also ask a question regarding this:

Another wrong way to deal with Saturn, is to dwell too deeply in it.

I've been focusing on the positive aspects of Saturn for the past two months and I can say it does work, this post have been extremely helpful in my transformation. Now, I've recently begun a working to empower these traits, such as determination, self discipline and force of will (the reason for beginning 2 months later was planetary alignments). Since I've been using the Nauthiz tune, I would like to ask if what I'm doing is too much... I do it in Saturn hours whenever I can, and I also visualize myself engulfed in black energy. I read the colors page in JoS and it doesn't look dangerous, but I'm still wondering if this is a good idea, or should I do it more smoothly?
Thanks
This can be dangerous yes.

You need to remember that yes Saturn has some positive traits but it is still a malefic. It also rules bad luck, misfortune, poverty, depression and more.

Also don't use a colour you aren't 100% sure of its properties especially Black. Both Black and Gray are used in black magick so be careful.

Instead of doing a working to intensify Saturn you can do a working to intensify the positive traits like willpower and discipline. Just never tune into or absorb Saturn's energy this is destructive!

If you are already doing a working to strengthen the positive traits then good focus on those but not on Saturn itself. Make sure your intent is strengthening the positive traits only. Not intensifiying Saturn or anything.

Hp HC is 100% on this don't dwell too deeply into Saturn.

Hail Satan!!

No no no, maybe I didn't explain it properly. I'm not focusing on Saturn itself, just these positive traits, discipline, grounding, limitations, restrictions (in a positive way) though the affirmation I use is focused on determination, self discipline and willpower.
I'm not doing a Saturn square or anything like that, that scares me haha that's probably more than I can handle. Nor am I absorbing any Saturn energy, not intentionally anyway. I just try to tune into these traits and act like them. I had a Kung Fu master once that taught me that "to become you need to act like you already are" and that makes absolute sense to me, and is what I've been doing so far and has been working from what I can tell.

What I do is, when I perform this working with the Nauthiz rune, I try (it's not always possible) to do it in Saturn hours since, they rule grounding, limitations, self control and endurance which is what this is all about. When I work with Runes, I like to add some visualization according to the specific goal, so I thought, why not black? Since it's ruled by Saturn and can be used for self control? I've been doing that and I can't say I have experienced negative outcome, however I'm not entirely sure of how much is too much. As for black, I've always been confortable with it, not in a death related way, but rather calming and comforting. I looked up the color in the JoS and it does make sense, so I thought this could work.

Black but shiny black. In other words for offensive magick use a dull, nasty black. But for white magick rituals involving said base/Earthing/Saturnian principle a shiny black like a black ball from billiards or a scrying mirror not dull or washed out.

That's interesting, never thought of that! Makes sense though, I kind of suck at visualization but it's getting better with time, I'll try my best to do that, I haven't been doing it neither way, just black, like I'm looking into the night sky. But making it shine is a really good idea.

As for the working with the Nauthiz rune it's a shame I didn't come across that post earlier. But I'll save the link, if I need to go for Round 2 of this, I'll definitely make it stronger like that next time!

Thanks for the help guys!
 
Invictus2 said:
mercury_wisdom said:
Invictus2 said:
I came back to this post to share my experience and also ask a question regarding this:



I've been focusing on the positive aspects of Saturn for the past two months and I can say it does work, this post have been extremely helpful in my transformation. Now, I've recently begun a working to empower these traits, such as determination, self discipline and force of will (the reason for beginning 2 months later was planetary alignments). Since I've been using the Nauthiz tune, I would like to ask if what I'm doing is too much... I do it in Saturn hours whenever I can, and I also visualize myself engulfed in black energy. I read the colors page in JoS and it doesn't look dangerous, but I'm still wondering if this is a good idea, or should I do it more smoothly?
Thanks
This can be dangerous yes.

You need to remember that yes Saturn has some positive traits but it is still a malefic. It also rules bad luck, misfortune, poverty, depression and more.

Also don't use a colour you aren't 100% sure of its properties especially Black. Both Black and Gray are used in black magick so be careful.

Instead of doing a working to intensify Saturn you can do a working to intensify the positive traits like willpower and discipline. Just never tune into or absorb Saturn's energy this is destructive!

If you are already doing a working to strengthen the positive traits then good focus on those but not on Saturn itself. Make sure your intent is strengthening the positive traits only. Not intensifiying Saturn or anything.

Hp HC is 100% on this don't dwell too deeply into Saturn.

Hail Satan!!

No no no, maybe I didn't explain it properly. I'm not focusing on Saturn itself, just these positive traits, discipline, grounding, limitations, restrictions (in a positive way) though the affirmation I use is focused on determination, self discipline and willpower.
I'm not doing a Saturn square or anything like that, that scares me haha that's probably more than I can handle. Nor am I absorbing any Saturn energy, not intentionally anyway. I just try to tune into these traits and act like them. I had a Kung Fu master once that taught me that "to become you need to act like you already are" and that makes absolute sense to me, and is what I've been doing so far and has been working from what I can tell.

What I do is, when I perform this working with the Nauthiz rune, I try (it's not always possible) to do it in Saturn hours since, they rule grounding, limitations, self control and endurance which is what this is all about. When I work with Runes, I like to add some visualization according to the specific goal, so I thought, why not black? Since it's ruled by Saturn and can be used for self control? I've been doing that and I can't say I have experienced negative outcome, however I'm not entirely sure of how much is too much. As for black, I've always been confortable with it, not in a death related way, but rather calming and comforting. I looked up the color in the JoS and it does make sense, so I thought this could work.

Black but shiny black. In other words for offensive magick use a dull, nasty black. But for white magick rituals involving said base/Earthing/Saturnian principle a shiny black like a black ball from billiards or a scrying mirror not dull or washed out.

That's interesting, never thought of that! Makes sense though, I kind of suck at visualization but it's getting better with time, I'll try my best to do that, I haven't been doing it neither way, just black, like I'm looking into the night sky. But making it shine is a really good idea.

As for the working with the Nauthiz rune it's a shame I didn't come across that post earlier. But I'll save the link, if I need to go for Round 2 of this, I'll definitely make it stronger like that next time!

Thanks for the help guys!
You're okay then. You're welcome.
 
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Δυσδαιμόνα Διαμαντής said:
Glad to see this post! Saturn is my favorite planet!
In vedic astrology for example Saturn can be a functional benefic planet (yogakaraka) too for Libra and Taurus ascendant people. Saturn and Venus are planetary "friends".

Here's a little good vedic astrological writing :
http://vedicastrology.com//chakrapani-vedic-astrology-magnificent-saturn.html

I remember there was an older topic where Saturn's rings were discussed. There was a book The Ringmakers of Saturn by Norman Bergun which exposed how the enemy aliens created more fake rings around Saturn.
Seems this is empowering the energies of Saturn, especially the negative energies...

This definitely makes sense because I have a Libra lagna. And I see Saturn like this stern but loving father. Idk why. I never really see him as a malefic planet. But more like a wise old man who tries to shatter any illusions you have and give you the real, and once you appreciate his wisdom and him in general, he starts becoming more and more proud of you. Idk.
 
In the January this year I have done some Saturn Squares to get rid of Neptune issues.

Saturn can be bad some times but Neptune is even worse in my opinion, it discourages you, undermine your strength and leave you to deception. Brings you pointless and discouraging thoughts like “It is a waste of time” “you will not be able to succeed” “you are too old for that” and so on.

The Saturn Square helped me in remove this thoughts and to keep more firm and persevering in my goals, I no longer feel obliged to do what needs to be done.
 
Why is the enemy so obsessed with Saturn (for example, the Black Cube of Saturn they use etc)? How does for example muslims worshipping of Kaaba (Black Cube/Saturn) tie in to the jewish agenda?
 
Why is the enemy so obsessed with Saturn (for example, the Black Cube of Saturn they use etc)? How does for example muslims worshipping of Kaaba (Black Cube/Saturn) tie in to the jewish agenda?
Think about what Saturn rules and how is called and you will discover your greatest answer about this question.
As I've heard , the enemy build the rings over Saturn to amplifying the energy , so the people get older,quicker,sicker , a lot more misfortune and suffering on earth ,is great for the enemy. Now I don't know how true that is but what I can say for 100% sure , Like it or not, this is not a planet that should be ignored.

In astrology , this planet as well is the most important, mastering and understanding this planet will lead you to the greatest hills. Understand it, accept it, work and WORK.
 
Think about what Saturn rules and how is called and you will discover your greatest answer about this question.
As I've heard , the enemy build the rings over Saturn to amplifying the energy , so the people get older,quicker,sicker , a lot more misfortune and suffering on earth ,is great for the enemy. Now I don't know how true that is but what I can say for 100% sure , Like it or not, this is not a planet that should be ignored.

In astrology , this planet as well is the most important, mastering and understanding this planet will lead you to the greatest hills. Understand it, accept it, work and WORK.
Brother, regarding your other message. Don't undermine the Clergy. Nobody claimed they are omnipotent, but that doesn't mean you can insult or imply they shouldn't be listened to. If you have questions about a topic, then simply ask this and keep your focus here, rather than on personal attacks.
 
Brother, regarding your other message. Don't undermine the Clergy. Nobody claimed they are omnipotent, but that doesn't mean you can insult or imply they shouldn't be listened to. If you have questions about a topic, then simply ask this and keep your focus here, rather than on personal attacks.
So you're saying I should trust with all of my life and existence someone who has HP next to their name without beein able to express myself freely and ignoring the fact there's no such thing as freedom of speech and they know all, right ?

You say "Don't undermine the Clergy" . I do not undermine the actual one but why should or anyobody should never do that if they think there might be something wrong? I am not saying there's anything wrong but then again one might think there might be and then he should have not try to say it just cuz x,y it's part of the "clergy?" few hundred years ago we used to be what we are in the present moment without this clergy and belive in the Gods and exist as how they call it in the present "spiritual satanists" without this internet.

I am not here to create chaos and waste everyone time, I am faithful in Satan and the Gods and I have one desire to finish the enemy, which, sooner or later, they know or without them pretending they might not know [which they know] they will be finished. By enemy i mean the reptilians,greys and other fucking species you know which one.
 
So you're saying I should trust with all of my life and existence someone who has HP next to their name without beein able to express myself freely and ignoring the fact there's no such thing as freedom of speech and they know all, right ?

You say "Don't undermine the Clergy" . I do not undermine the actual one but why should or anyobody should never do that if they think there might be something wrong? I am not saying there's anything wrong but then again one might think there might be and then he should have not try to say it just cuz x,y it's part of the "clergy?" few hundred years ago we used to be what we are in the present moment without this clergy and belive in the Gods and exist as how they call it in the present "spiritual satanists" without this internet.

I am not here to create chaos and waste everyone time, I am faithful in Satan and the Gods and I have one desire to finish the enemy, which, sooner or later, they know or without them pretending they might not know [which they know] they will be finished. By enemy i mean the reptilians,greys and other fucking species you know which one.

Clergy and Hierarchy will always exist and must exist for spiritual transformation of a populace to take place. I am not sure what you are referencing which took place a few hundred years ago, nor how you would know anything like that with any degree of confidence.

This free speech you ask for is commonly and readily abused by the enemy to attack the Clergy, which represent our spiritual elite. What starts as "innocent" criticism can quickly snowball out of control, inflamed by curses and other methods of social discord. This is far from appropriate resolution methods, like resolving your concerns or other misunderstandings in private.

The same way you did not like being publicly called weak is the same reason why you would not publicly imply something is wrong with the Clergy, before first trying to alleviate your concerns over email or DM, in a respectful manner.
 
Everytime I read online some bullshit on Icke forums and so on, Saturn is blamed as the ultimate detriment and destroyer. Astrology is also infested with this garbage and the undertones of xianity that want Saturn and Satan to be somehow identical and therefore "Evil".

Saturn is also related to Satan in this bullshit arguing they do.

This is just bullshit only fit for distorted brains, manchildren, and of course jews who preach damning advice to the goyim so that they kill themselves by ignoring this all important force of nature. I'm not going to do that. I don't care what people say about Saturn or what they believe.

Indeed also, I have found, advancing in Satanism, can be a craft of mastering alongside anything else, Saturn. It is to make this dangerous mad dog called Saturn into a friendlier and more tame guardian dog that will guard your house against all intruders.

Going around your life whining about Saturn is like going on your neighborhood where there are bulldogs on steroids going out and hungry for 1 month, and going through and trying to lecture them that they are evil. It won't work. Saturn doesn't care if you think he's evil kaneevil or not.

Of course, sissies and other forms of weak life do constantly complain about Saturn, instead of trying to understand, confront, and win against this energy. Therefore Saturn is like a Devil to them, from which they run scared.

This is actually why this world is also fucked by Saturn energy. Because not only it's being channeled by hostile forces, but also people refuse to deal with it in anyway, and shove their head in their ass while everyone refuses to encounter it. This is the wrong way to deal with Saturn.

Another wrong way to deal with Saturn, is to dwell too deeply in it. This way, you'll be consumed by the restrictive force that it represents, and probably suckered into the depressive and damning aspects of it. One has to learn in due time that neither of these extremes is good.

Another complaint of these uninformed individuals is that Saturn causes death and ageing. Saturn is this thing that you can only evade after confronting it, and after understanding how it happens. It's like a very strong type of gravity. Once understood, you can make an airplane, but you can't fly. But you can fly with an airplane.

Like all energies, Saturn requires a fine balance for every person. What many idiots who accuse Saturn of ageing and death don't understand is, is that death is another half of life.

Saturn also grows over sustained growth that is limited to what we refer to as "healthy". Generation and growth happens because of a Saturnian pattern of "Ageing". We go from a little seed to full human being.

Death and old age happens not because of "Saturn" exclusively, but because the generative force falls below that of the ageing. Where it was supposed to stay in a balance and therefore the physical body would not age dangerously, it's tipped off and overpowers the generative force. Eventually death follows.

More balanced forms of these energy, cause what we refer to as "Graceful ageing". Many people do have this aspect in their charts or it can be a result of meditation. So Saturn doesn't really cause "death" on his own, nor is this force purposefully evil. It's an integral part of nature.

To put it simply, death happens because more life doesn't happen.

The correlation between Satan and Saturn, except of the stupidity of that it sounds the same in the language of English [and in no other spiritual language] is that the Serpent [Satan] exists in the Base Chakra.

Like a seed for the person, it rests asleep in the Saturnian base chakra. If it remains there asleep, one cannot benefit from it. The only evil here however, is that people do not meditate, and therefore this seed remains without water. Still, the fact that the Serpent rests of Saturn's Base chakra is revealing.

In inner knowledge, the Saturn should be seen as the soil in which a seed of life lives. But it needs water [meditation] to bloom.

Returning back to the more outwardly forces of Saturn, things are different.

Saturn is also this asshole that nobody wants to hear that whispers in the ears of people what they need to do. "Fuck off" is the reply of most people to Saturn. Saturn can indeed be this depressive shit nobody wants to hear about.

You know, some of the very typical shit caring parents tell their kids which oftentimes they reply to like "Fuck you" and return 10 years later to say "Mom and Dad were right". Like wash your teeth. Yeah fuck off I won't wash the teeth dad, I know better. 10 years later, enjoy going to heavy debt over all the teeth.

When people have these thoughts, oftentimes in our world, they call themselves "Depressed". The "Depression" did not arise from these thoughts, but from their own repetitive ignorance of doing something about them. The thoughts themselves are NOT evil, but they are here to help and show someone they need to change. When these are ignored, the mind goes into a depressive state because it understands one is not doing good.

Not saying this is ALWAYS the cause of depression, but it is, quite often.

For those who are past the age of babies, please read below. You'll receive good understanding about Saturn.

Satanists are not to believe in any of this because we know better. We have to look past than what people do in general. There are Saturn placements in astrology that can save one from delusions, disaster, destruction. Saturn can also in astrology act as a protector.

Most people's problem with Saturn is that Saturn teaches in a brutal way. However, Saturn also can bestow excessive rewards to people who are grounded, well organized, and are consistent with natural cycles and energy.

Everything in the physical realm is subject to life and death. Of course, humans hate old age and death. However, when one knows about death, this can be used in a way that enhances one's life. When one knows a necessary winter for nature is coming, one can prepare the stocking up of food.

Saturn, unlike other planets, can show great signs before calamity to people who have open eyes. One aspect here would be one's teeth or obesity. Generally, before Saturn goes on fallout, there can be signs. Other negative influences can crop up out of nowhere.

Those who know, will live and even improve through Saturnian trials. Saturn also deals with the principle of self determination, self responsibility, leadership, and many other hated things in present day's crazed world.

Increasingly there is also complete and total lack of responsibility, duty, and other values which are giving in to the rift of damnation, creating in their image a shitty and abuse based world. This is unrefined energy of Saturn or absence of it. Both are disastrous for human life.

People today run from self knowledge, responsibility, improving and so on. Because it can be unpleasant. Reality is to improve is the most beautiful feeling on the whole universe and the reason of being for humans.

The recent motto of this world is that everything should be about happiness, and that humans have to live in perpetual ignorance and only focus on being happy. Therefore anything that comes to tell us unpleasant news, most people block out.

In the case of happiness, a bad Neptune would be like "Sure, take fake drugs and try to be happy". Saturn would be like "Maybe it's time to address some of your inner personal issues first?". Clearly the second path can be more helpful.

The patronizing force is seen as negative in this world because everyone wants a false sense of freedom that they don't have. We are no longer in a world where people are forced to do things people think, but everyone lives like a prisoner regardless.

Saturn sets limits where one can also fall off, but can also create limits that impede one from growing. The second can be something one has to fight against. The first is what one has to learn.

The smart way to go is not to abolish limits. When one drives on a mountain road, you better wish there is a stopping bar if it snows, or you might go off the cliffs. Likewise, limitations are equally important to life as freedom is. Freedom without the capacity of limitation is not freedom because you can't stop yourself.

A case of a lack of Saturn being fatal, can be a case of a very rich person who eats 24/7 until they die of a heart attack. While they may go down eating great delicacies, the obesity can be the same problem. Saturn didn't exist in life to stop them. Now they're dead.

Two cases of Saturn manifesting in this life of this man would be these: people in their workplace calling them fat. This would be a negative manifestation, and a painful one. But it still retains the message that one may die.

A medium manifestation of Saturnian energy, is that when they get a minor heart attack, they go to the doctor, and the doctor tells them, you have 6 months to live down this alley, please stop.

A strong Saturn manifestation would be them almost dying and then understanding their mistake of overeating could be fatal.

A total negligence of Saturn in any of the above can lead to self damnation. The same damnation can also happen by overflow of other energies which are generally considered "Beneficial" or positive.

If the person in question had a little Saturn to begin with, and stopped overeating, or they listened to the cries of their body earlier on, outwardly Saturn's influence would be less in their life. Saturn is a difficult energy to master, but people definitely CAN do that.

Saturn's transits can be terrifying, destructive, and even bring extreme calamities. But they can be also these times where you're forced to sit down and assess where things are going with you, to save yourself from even more damage on the future.

However, the more one has accommodated themselves to the protective aspects of Saturn, these will affect them less. Saturn comes to destroy whatever hasn't been built firmly. This is sort of like keeping debts in check and in control. The longer postponed, the worse when the bill comes.

Determination, discipline, and strength of will, can turn the energies of Saturn around, and can make some of the strongest individuals on earth. Due to excessive pressure, not everyone can do this. Heavy Saturnians can either achieve a lot in life, or nothing. Force can be strong on someone to do better and to succeed.

But they will be pressured so it's up to them how to deal and organize this pressure. A lot of them are in positions of power worldwide and very difficult to move away because of this.

Saturn also has a lot of "respect" for individuals who meditate. Meditation works to counter balance the negativity of Saturn, provided it's done within the balanced context of a balance life.

Saturn being like gravity, is not to be escaped by you trying to grow wings and fly. Saturn deals with practical solutions to problems in order to be overcome. For example, people climb a mountain or make an airplane, instead of trying to grow wings which is not going to happen.

Meditation in the Satanic way, brings the mind closer to Satyan or the concept of Truth. This creates observation better. It dispels illusions over time when done properly and with grounding. This saves people from disaster as certainly as a good pair of eyes with 20/20 vision can see danger coming from far away.

Saturn in meditation deals with understanding of the physical realm, the capacity to clarify things for one's self, and one's self awareness. All are important for one's spiritual advancement.

Lastly I have written additional things about Saturn below: https://ancient-forums.com/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=23180&hilit=King+Maker+Saturn

-High Priest Hooded Cobra 666
The good sermon!
I completely agree with you High Priest Hooded Cobra 666!

If I don't understand how I can tame Saturn, I focus on protective rituals to minimize the negative influence of Saturn in my life.

I can work with the positive aspects of Saturn in my natal chart, but for myself personally at this stage of my life I do not see the benefits of Saturn, it is important for me now to minimize the negative in my life and achieve the most important goals for me (at this stage of my life), which are related to love and Venus, and also the sexual aspects of Mars.
 
Indeed people flip out when they see the death card in tarot readings its not an end its a beginning for something new it can be the death of something bad in your life learn to use it.

Also how do we make announcements id like to write on something I have managed to achieve I have broken past my usual limits I now vibrate like a lotus flower if you understand what I mean like I went from golden energy beams to as fast and powerful as light in my chakras to fire to now being like a constant reverberation of what looks like a golden constantly shifting lotus flower its looks like it massively repeats the six pointed star pattern again and again and again I now constantly sit on this lotus thing now when I meditate and I always have one on each hand I also have these two solid gold blocks underneath my feet I sort of get the feeling like if I put enough energy into those ill start floating around because when I do I stand on a weight scale and my weight starts to drop from my natrual 72 kg down to 50 and it keeps going down but not much further still practising but anyway I'd like to write about this advanced side of things as its not got this on the website.
Hello brother.

Please write about this advanced side of things in private messages.

I am interested in what meditations and affirmations you have used to achieve this level of vibration and in general.
 
Saturn can explode and burn for all I care. I'll never see Saturn in any positive light or acknowledge it as being anything positive ever. You can say it rules over endurance and has positive effects sometimes, but for me its caused the most pain and suffering ever. In my 8th house with extreme poverty, no sexual partner, and no hope in sight. My teeth are decayed and must be pulled and replaced with dental implants, I have mild tinnitus, and other stuff that Saturn has caused. I just want to escape Saturn and all of its bad influences as a whole. I could make this a huge post about all the shit Saturn has caused, but id rather keep it short and simple. I don't like planet Saturn at all.
Brother, do not despair, whatever your natal chart is, you can change it with the help of Planetary Squares.

I urgently recommend that you start making a square of Venus and a Square of Mars to attract love and sexual relations.

I also recommend you to use runic magic, all kinds of affirmations for love.

If you have financial problems, the square of the sun will help you.

If you need help, you can always ask a question on https://ask-satan.net / , I and other members will join in to advise you in more detail on your situation.
 

Al Jilwah: Chapter IV

"It is my desire that all my followers unite in a bond of unity, lest those who are without prevail against them." - Satan

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