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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@... wrote:
I'm not overly concerned with Maxine's words. I've diligently practiced energy work for almost 11 years and have been bonded by blood to this organization for almost 6. The website is to often treated as a circumnavigation and ultimatum of what's to learn, forgetting that Maxine learned by through a gargantuan level of study of all paths before she created the JoS?
You want power? Study physics and chemistry,
mathematics and martial arts. Maybe then all of these kids trying to make a fireball in their hands will realize you need something to burn not to mention a method of ignition for such a feat.
All in all will people please quit quoting the contents of the website please? I've attended the website for 5 years and 10 months. Pretty much got it memorized. Tell me what you learned, and stop deterring with the word Buddhism. You've probably only learned about other paths through Maxine and even if such statements were true, what right do you have throwing that around having never read the Tibetan book of the dead,or the literature of other paths as well. Otherwise you blindly suckle someone else's words as an infant his milk.
Notice that in the post by HPs Maxine it talks about LEVELS of enlightenment. It's not a single ultimate purpose as you said, and yes it supports one being "more enlightened" than other unlike the buddhist definition. That part "Creative Genius comes with higher levels of enlightenment".
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
It's because you have the buddhist idea of enlightenment again which I said it's BS. Real enlightenment is NOT a "pinnacle" but merely a checkpoint. If you've passed this checkpoint and you've awakened those powers and abilities, you're enlightened. Enlightened implies that your spiritual eyes are open, and all these abilities have to do with your spiritual eyes being open. Now, just like it doesn't matter whether somebody is short-sighted or can see perfectly and in both cases the person is not blind, the same way no matter in what degree you've developed your abilities, if you have developed them you're enlightened and not spiritually blind.
That's what real enlightenment is. Not an "ultimate", but merely an important point you reach after empowering yourself.
Same as Godhood, to become a God it means to have reached physical immortality and other things. It's again another checkpoint. Some Gods are more powerful than others, but both are gods. Same, some enlightened people have honed more their powers than others, but since they've both awakened those powers they're both enlightened.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tomcrigs" <tomcrigs4@ wrote:
None of that makes a person enlightened, or else I would have been enlightened months ago. I can personally attest that when you meditate a LOT, these abilities will come naturally. They are a result of a focused, and powerful mind. The Yoga Sutras call them siddhis, aka, attainments.
Having these sorts of abilities such as telepathy, high cognitive abilities, powerful memory, etc, do not mean you are enlightened.
They are what they, high cognitive and spiritual power. In all my meditation time I have achieved many many siddhis and experienced many events of Precognition, telepathy, and in deep meditation I can exercise these abilities with conscious intention, with ease.
I do not consider myself enlightened. There is so much more I could improve upon my abilities, yet I am nowhere near enlightened.
There is so much more awareness to be gained, so much more power to be trained, etc. Enlightenment implies some sort of false limit. The entire idea of enlightenment falls apart when one implies that one person can be more enlightened than another person. Enlightenment implies a Pinnacle. It implies a limit to the mind, which is false.
The mind and human soul is limitless, and will always have room to grow. Just because one has gained a hightened awareness, access to these seemingly supernatural abilities, high cognitive abilities, does not mean one is enlightened. It merely means one has attained high cognitive abilities through meditation or some other source, and these abilities can be cultivated and grown.
I can attest to the high cognitive abilities that meditation can bring. In my many months of deep meditation, I have made hundreds of thousands of dollars off patents of inventions that spontaneously came to me in deep meditation. Some might call this genius. I call it high cognitive abilities, and anybody can grow them. There is no limit to them and they can grow endlessly.
The very idea of limits, or 'ultimate enlightenment' goes against the very idea of Satanism. We, are, limitless beings, with limitless potential.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "the_fire_starter666" <the_fire_starter666@ wrote:
Enlightenment IS very important, but not what most people think it is. The RHP religions have twisted the idea of enlightenment to conform to their own agenda of making people perfect slaves. HP Maxine wrote a sermon on what true enlightenment is about:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Advanced_ ... ssage/3440
"So many texts, writings, and the media out there endlessly focus on
'enlightenment,' yet the majority of authors cannot state what it is. There is
so much theory out there, but little real experience.
Enlightenment is knocking down walls and barriers within the mind and soul.
Enlightenment IS:
* Being able to recall and access past life skills and knowledge.
* Using much more than the standard five senses. The so-called 'sixth sense'
becomes a daily part of our lives and is something we use like all of our other
senses- sensing things before they happen, drastically increased telepathy,
being able to read others' minds, communicate telepathically with animals, sense
and feel the emotions and feelings of others [something that needs to be blocked
out at will for obvious reasons], drastically increased sensing of energy in
certain places, the environment, etc.
* Drastically increased awareness. With enlightenment, we are much more aware of
everything. Things that go unnoticed by most people and what we failed to notice
before, we are now aware of and can see much more clearly.
* Creative Genius comes with higher levels of enlightenment, Along with an
increase in intelligence, abilities, and understanding.
* With true enlightenment, an entire new world opens up.
What enlightenment IS NOT:
Enlightenment is NOT conforming to bullshit doctrines, ways of life, or special
belief systems."
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "tomcrigs" <tomcrigs4@ wrote:
I strongly disagree.
Enlightenment is a false idea promoted by right-hand path buddhism designed to put the practitioner(who has attained great power through meditation) in a position to not want to use his/her powers or seeing the idea of using them as pointless - aka, you become powerless.
All enlightenment is, is a certain way of viewing the world, interpreting it, and perceiving it. Enlightened beings are glorified. Being enlightened does not mean you will have immense power. Enlightenment, is strictly, a way of looking at the world, and is overhyped by the eastern right-hand path buddhist.
They even acknowledge the fact that becoming enlightened does not mean you will be a master of Siddhis and have godly power. Being enlightened means what it means, you are enlightened, aka, you perceive and experience the world in a way which buddhist believe to be superior.
A lot of enlightened beings have great power, not because of their enlightenment, but as a by-product of their meditations. Enlightenment is not the ultimate goal of spirituality - just to buddhist.
One gain attain great power through meditation without becoming enlightened, but great power will hasten the rate at which one can 'become' enlightened. Understand, there is nothing special about being enlightened. I mean, sure it's special in the sense that it is a profoundly altered state of consciousness unlike any human, but it does not make you a god.
Enlightenment is strictly what it is, seeing reality for what things are. When looked at from a Satanic Left-Hand path point of view, Enlightenment is the opposite of empowering. Buddhist teach that enlightenment, and being without desire, intentions, judgements, is somehow a superior way to live, that it will eliminate suffering.
Point of views of suffering can be altered through meditation to change how one experiences suffering. One does not have to become' enlightened' to be free of suffering. All enlightenment is, is a state of mind which you perceive the world for how it is, you have no intentions, no desires, you simply exist, you are what you are. Is the ultimate form of brainwashing. All this meditation to become enlightened has got you so much power then when you reach enlightenment you have no desire to use the power.
You essentially are potential power at this point. Potential power that does not exercise that power, by definition, is powerless.
There is nothing special about being enlightened, it is just a way of looking at the world, and a mental attitude towards it. There is nothing superior about it compared to any other superior mental state that can be achieved through meditation.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "alex.valenti77" <alex.valenti77@ wrote:
I have noticed a great sum of those who are seeking power alone through these pursuits. Leave these behind for now. The frivolous pursuit of power is but a by product of true realization. To seek power before one even has an enlightened perspective of true power is a foolish endevor. Low powers used for low concepts by low beings is a plague on this planet. Once you have your power, then what? What are and have always been the qualities of those with true power. Certainly not the base desire to wield the elements in your hands is the only motive. Such power hungry desires waters the earth with more hunger. A constant dualism is perpetuated in nature as fools are tossed back and forth by ida and pingala, never realizing the great unity the shushumma brings through the center. Raise your kundalini first, then we will discuss power.
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