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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
There is no dodging. This is all happening in your head. I am talking about something different that is related. A "BOOK" of any name (grimoire, bible, book of shadows) is only a PSYCHOLOGICAL CONCEPT for ones "INNER SELF." What you FILL the PAGES in that BOOK are the sum of your DEEP INNER SELF. Your beliefs are a BLUEPRINT for how you "AUTOMATICALLY" MANIFEST the world around you and TUNE IN. Everyone has magick in their blood, its just a matter of how strong it is... this meaning many have it but are disempowered obviously or "shut off." If this all was not the case, then obviously what Maxine tries to teach: the common man wouldn't have any magick power through power meditation and their beliefs made real in magick ritual wouldn't work!
So when people read a xian bible, they tune their beliefs to magickally shut themselves off, because they are mentally conditioning themselves to BELIEVE that "unconsciously" at first. They also tune into the xian hell experiences and angels of the xian variety around them. There are angels of satan (demons) and then angels of other varieties like xianity (what you are familiar with angels being associated with).
So you don't really need to be sporting the title of magician or satanist or whatever, but simply be influenced to unconsciously practicing to eventually attain a heaven or hell or experience. Outer "titles" don't matter, that's why we are those who are "Within," because reality always starts out microcosmically (internal, within) and then becomes macrocosmic (external reality). That's where external BOOKS all are the same, as what is written in them to be READ (reading is the same as writing within) then becomes your reality. That is why Satan leads without a book, because you are already a walking biological book or computer to write and record your own experience. Grimoires, books of shadows and bibles are all semantics for a fancy name for a book. The trick is to overwrite all the Xian and other junk programming that has been written in your mind with that of your own choosing (from someone else, or your own imagination).
Either you really do not understand this or you are just trying to make it look like something else. If you really do not understand what I mean by "grimoires," then read the 1st-3rd paragraph I wrote above until it makes sense. I am obviously not talking about what you are talking about (as has been written).
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
Of course I know that, however the whole point (which you tried to dodge apparently) is that the DESCRIPTIONS of the beings in the jewish grimoires are of the enemy and designed to insult them. And they don't look like that. You responded by saying the grimoires for summoning Gods aren't jewish and some of them predate the kikes, well give me a name of such grimoire. I never said you need a ritual or something to summon a God, just to show the descriptions are made up.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
You don't need to do a ritual to summon spirits or make magick happen. If you were even paying attention to an ounce of what I said, the entirety of what I wrote would make sense. I am aghast at the low level of spirituality/knowledge. Truly disgusting what society has come to.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
Actually the things you compare, prayer book and buybull with the journal are almost the opposite, they don't even have a single simillarity other than all three were written in paper.
The buybull is not the same with a magickal journal, because their buybull IS their religion. Take their buybull out and their religion is gone, there's no proof of jewsus or events happening in the buybull, only the buybull mentions them. And nobody who isn't xian nor heard about xianity knows about those things or contacted any of the xian entities.
A magickal journal/book of shadows is just recording your own experience AFTER you have experienced it, so that you can learn from your mistakes or correct any things that go wrong. It is not intended to distributing to other people so they can have blind faith. It's purpose is described here:
http://www.helium.com/items/1129082-mag ... -knowledge
Same with prayer book, it is just a collection of blind faith rituals and prayers somebody made up, not from real experiences.
I wanna make something clear, when I refer to grimoires I'm talking about those who talk about "summoning spirits" and commanding them to appear. Of course there are grimoires for spiritual empowerment that predate the jews, as Maxine said. I dare you to find me a summoning grimoire which predates the jews and wasn't written in hebrew. Just give me the name of the grimoire if it exists, not any explanations/rationalizations/other excuses.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
A persons"book of shadows" or "journal" on spiritual experiences as well as a "prayer book" or "bible" are all the same thing. The difference is some are satanic, some are xian, some are just a listing of spells and some are smply autobiography.
There is a debate whether Runes themselves are just language versus magick symbols. They are both an alphabet as well as magick symbols. In knowing this, it is plain to see that "words" and "symbols" and "pictures/art"are indivisible from magick. What makes it magickal is the strength of a persons soul. I can do a formal ritual to cast a spell and achieve results... or I could simply look at a sexy woman in jewish brainwashing media portraying a certain message and still have magickal phenomena being manifested as a result of that.
In knowing this, it is plain to see that grimoires are older than jews, because ones true book of life is what is "written" and "read" from within. It is the individual self, as well as ones ancestors. Your entire lineage really is your own true inner grimoire. Did you think there was a reason the Nazi's were so obsessed with doing their expeditions?
That is the reason we are those who are NOT "without," because we are supposed to look within ourselves ultimately and not read others physical books as our own blueprint, nor should we read their own inner book of life as our own, unless of course you prefer to follow... which there are many that do.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
*sigh* did you bother to read my post? I said they looked this way *before* I found JoS, so they didn't "mirror" nor did I have any influences. In fact this time, I used to believe some of the xian crap and my experiences with Gods contradicted that.
Grimoires aren't older than the kikes, they were originaly written in hebrew. The solomon's grimoire and the goetia is JEWISH.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
Will someone help me??
