Will someone help me?? --- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@... wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@... wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@... wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kikesmasher71" <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
Because of two things:
1)They have physical bodies. They are not "spirits".
2)They are Nordic Aliens from Orion. Look up Nordic Aliens and see how they look.
Their true form is the form of their physical bodies. It doesn't matter how they appear in the astral and other stuff. Their physical form is of a tall human.
And you obviously forget that the Demons are Pagan Gods in different cultures. They are the Greek, Egyptian, Norse and other Gods and all of these were human looking. Odin is Beelzebub, for example.
They are also the Annunaki who had human wifes and children to them and WERE to earth some years ago. If their physical form was something else, we would look something else than humans, since THEY created us using THEIR DNA and some of us are even their children.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for
knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg
for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg
for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@... wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Siatris" <rammesses666@... wrote:
You said, "Not once has any ever come to me in
any animal form." Also that this is an allegory....this is pretty earth shattering news to me.
With all due respect, I think you should make this a larger announcement, because the enemy has been posing as Egyptian animal headed Gods in that case.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], High Priestess Maxine Dietrich <maxine.dietrich@... wrote:
I communicate with Demons all of the time. Not once has any ever come to me in any animal form. I am speaking of my own personal experiences of which I have plenty; not 'traditions.' Also could you be specific about those 'traditions'? What 'traditions'? Do they have a name? The animal forms are symbolic and an allegory, such as the serpent represents the kundalini.
High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kikesmasher71" <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kikesmasher71" <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
I have had my gd haures tell me telepathically when i reach out to her say something like this ' uhmm im kinda busy ill get back to you in a few' its sometimes better to use telepathy instead of just summoning right away but some of our brothers and sisters are not able to telepathically communicate as easy as some of us more adept satanists
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------Original Message------
From: kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@...
To: <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:50:32 AM GMT-0000
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Someone please help me....
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kikesmasher71" <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
If you read many of messages here, you'll see much stuff about busy Gods, yes they are busy, depending on their ranking. Satan who is the busiest one, he contacts people every 3 months of something (I'm talking about Satan Himself, not any other Gods He sends).
Also, did you wonder why a person summoning a Demon sometimes he has to try 3 or 4 times? That's right, in this case the Demon is busy, either summoned by someone else or busy doing physical things in Duat or engaging in Spiritual warfare. And you'll notice much advice for newbies to summon lesser ranking Gods, because they are the least busy ones.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kikesmasher71" <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
On Fri Nov 26th, 2010 11:54 AM EST Jeremy Terry wrote:
I have had my gd haures tell me telepathically when i reach out to her say something like this ' uhmm im kinda busy ill get back to you in a few' its sometimes better to use telepathy instead of just summoning right away but some of our brothers and sisters are not able to telepathically communicate as easy as some of us more adept satanists
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------Original Message------
From: kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@...
To: <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:50:32 AM GMT-0000
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Someone please help me....
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg
for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
*sigh* did you bother to read my post? I said they looked this way *before* I found JoS, so they didn't "mirror" nor did I have any influences. In fact this time, I used to believe some of the xian crap and my experiences with Gods contradicted that.
Grimoires aren't older than the kikes, they were originaly written in hebrew. The solomon's grimoire and the goetia is JEWISH.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "Jeremy Terry" <dagger5893@... wrote:
I have had my gd haures tell me telepathically when i reach out to her say something like this ' uhmm im kinda busy ill get back to you in a few' its sometimes better to use telepathy instead of just summoning right away but some of our brothers and sisters are not able to telepathically communicate as easy as some of us more adept satanists
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------Original Message------
From: kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@...
To: <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:50:32 AM GMT-0000
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Someone please help me....
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
I communicate with Demons all of the time. Not once has any ever come to me in any animal form. I am speaking of my own personal experiences of which I have plenty; not 'traditions.' Also could you be specific about those 'traditions'? What 'traditions'? Do they have a name? The animal forms are symbolic and an allegory, such as the serpent represents the kundalini.
High Priestess Maxine Dietrich
http://www.joyofsatan.org
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
It must be a experience personal to only certain individuals. I've never had a GD unavailable and busy.
Jeremy Terry <dagger5893@... wrote:
I have had my gd haures tell me telepathically when i reach out to her say something like this ' uhmm im kinda busy ill get back to you in a few' its sometimes better to use telepathy instead of just summoning right away but some of our brothers and sisters are not able to telepathically communicate as easy as some of us more adept satanists
----------
Sent from AT&T's Wireless network using Yahoo! Mail
------Original Message------
From: kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@...
To: <[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Date: Friday, November 26, 2010 7:50:32 AM GMT-0000
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Re: Someone please help me....
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the
iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
A persons"book of shadows" or "journal" on spiritual experiences as well as a "prayer book" or "bible" are all the same thing. The difference is some are satanic, some are xian, some are just a listing of spells and some are smply autobiography.
There is a debate whether Runes themselves are just language versus magick symbols. They are both an alphabet as well as magick symbols. In knowing this, it is plain to see that "words" and "symbols" and "pictures/art"are indivisible from magick. What makes it magickal is the strength of a persons soul. I can do a formal ritual to cast a spell and achieve results... or I could simply look at a sexy woman in jewish brainwashing media portraying a certain message and still have magickal phenomena being manifested as a result of that.
In knowing this, it is plain to see that grimoires are older than jews, because ones true book of life is what is "written" and "read" from within. It is the individual self, as well as ones ancestors. Your entire lineage really is your own true inner grimoire. Did you think there was a reason the Nazi's were so obsessed with doing their expeditions?
That is the reason we are those who are NOT "without," because we are supposed to look within ourselves ultimately and not read others physical books as our own blueprint, nor should we read their own inner book of life as our own, unless of course you prefer to follow... which there are many that do.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
*sigh* did you bother to read my post? I said they looked this way *before* I found JoS, so they didn't "mirror" nor did I have any influences. In fact this time, I used to believe some of the xian crap and my experiences with Gods contradicted that.
Grimoires aren't older than the kikes, they were originaly written in hebrew. The solomon's grimoire and the goetia is JEWISH.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the
iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
Yet, if you do the math still, there are a vast number of people in this world.. and of which the fraction that are Satanists, it would still add up to a vast majority doing a ritual to summon Satan or one of the high ranking gods. The math goes something as follows:
"X "hours to do ritual and converse x "X" number of Satanists doing the ritual= total hours (which I'd think there'd be vastly more than enough hours to surpass a month/s time).
It just doesn't addup when you calculate it. The estimated population of the entire world right now is 6.9 Billion people. Even if you counted 1 percent of the population as Satanists, which is 69 million people at 1 percent of entire world population... one must wonder How 1 individual "Satan" and the gods could answer not just all those summonings, but prayers as well. Despite my ask for assistance and gratefulness towards the gods, current explanations just don't seem to add up and make sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
If you read many of messages here, you'll see much stuff about busy Gods, yes they are busy, depending on their ranking. Satan who is the busiest one, he contacts people every 3 months of something (I'm talking about Satan Himself, not any other Gods He sends).
Also, did you wonder why a person summoning a Demon sometimes he has to try 3 or 4 times? That's right, in this case the Demon is busy, either summoned by someone else or busy doing physical things in Duat or engaging in Spiritual warfare. And you'll notice much advice for newbies to summon lesser ranking Gods, because they are the least busy ones.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "kikesmasher71" <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
Its easy, a God when he/she is busy sends lesser Gods to help people and that's why probably people confuse his appearance, because they see some other God. For example, it is a well-known thing that Satan sends Lucifuge Rofocale to help people.
Saying the above, I don't believe two people did contact the same God at the same time, if you give me evidence that they contacted the same God and they had the same experience, I'll accept this.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Another thing you didn't think about is how could so many people call a particular god at the same time and be visited astraly by them? That makes no sense.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And the forms in the cultures weren't the same, because these cultures developed AFTER the Gods left earth. So they didn't have a clear image on how they looked like, and they made them look like themselves. If you look at Egyptian texts and other things for example, the oldest of them were 5000 years ago or something, the Gods had left the earth. They were here until 10000 years ago, the Pyramids were from the Gods' times.
Although they can appear us in their Egyptian form, Greek form e.t.c. like I said, their true form is that of their physical bodies.
It is like I project astrally to a lesser alien species and appear to them sometimes as an animal, and those alien beings have a debate about what my real form is!!Of course my real form is that of my physical body.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the
iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@... wrote:
A persons"book of shadows" or "journal" on spiritual experiences as well as a "prayer book" or "bible" are all the same thing. The difference is some are satanic, some are xian, some are just a listing of spells and some are smply autobiography.
There is a debate whether Runes themselves are just language versus magick symbols. They are both an alphabet as well as magick symbols. In knowing this, it is plain to see that "words" and "symbols" and "pictures/art"are indivisible from magick. What makes it magickal is the strength of a persons soul. I can do a formal ritual to cast a spell and achieve results... or I could simply look at a sexy woman in jewish brainwashing media portraying a certain message and still have magickal phenomena being manifested as a result of that.
In knowing this, it is plain to see that grimoires are older than jews, because ones true book of life is what is "written" and "read" from within. It is the individual self, as well as ones ancestors. Your entire lineage really is your own true inner grimoire. Did you think there was a reason the Nazi's were so obsessed with doing their expeditions?
That is the reason we are those who are NOT "without," because we are supposed to look within ourselves ultimately and not read others physical books as our own blueprint, nor should we read their own inner book of life as our own, unless of course you prefer to follow... which there are many that do.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@... wrote:
*sigh* did you bother to read my post? I said they looked this way *before* I found JoS, so they didn't "mirror" nor did I have any influences. In fact this time, I used to believe some of the xian crap and my experiences with Gods contradicted that.
Grimoires aren't older than the kikes, they were originaly written in hebrew. The solomon's grimoire and the goetia is JEWISH.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
Interesting your experiences mirror the influence of what you read.
My experiences didn't come from reading anyones descriptions. It came from being visited by the gods through childhood, to where I called gods finaly from grimoires and based it off that individuals description to now. The gods always showed up in a few forms, and would only reflect what the person of that grimoire wrote as their description temporarily, and then they'd shift back to their true form. Interestingly, the gods that I'd evoke (after dedication) from using their sigils call the same forms I have been experiencing my entire life.
Animals look like monsters? Are you thinking right or just parroting "literary" material. Grimoires are older than the kikes, and surely you have me "pegged" wrong if you think such things. I asked the gods if they were ET many times and even now. They told me they are, but not in the way people believe them to be. But yes some of them are blonde if hearing that makes you happy and I was being sincere there.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
And a last thing, I think you take the description of the kike grimoires that they look like monsters and animals. Of course the goetic grimoires are made of the enemy and contain lies.
To myself, a God never appeared in animal form, they always appeared in the description close to the JoS site one, even though some of them were sometime before I came to the JoS. They always appear to me this way.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
I'm a bit curious as to why you think they are human looking, other than the fact you may of seen them tha way. Looking over numerous cultures and then doing a lot of backlog reading in the JoS, I've noticed a trend that says its not all set in stone as to what their true form would consist of. This goes the same for if a person were to play the game of "this gods name is the same as that gods name." Interestingly, if these gods are associated with other gods names in another culture, one must wonder why sometimes their forms aren't ones ideal personified image.
If you were to venture into other forms of witch craft or religion, you would find people that swear their version of a demon, a satan, a god or goddess would look a certain way in contrast to what you might say that god looks like, especially if its a demon. This sort of discussion would be pointless and "circular" of course as everyones experiences are different... but interestingly for a good reason.. and of course for a very "circular" reason =)
My prior post actually has to do with a post a little older than your last one on the same subject, where the person was confused about the wolf following him/her around. Its simple.. the gods/goddesses do come to us in animal forms for a number of reasons and it is a matter of time in ones evokations until one establishes a more settled relationship to where they take the ideal form that one can handle, which is normally a humanoid form, though I wouldn't call the gods human as they are way more than that. Like this animal form I spoke of, this goes deeper into the past. The perceived gods at the time weren't known as "satanic spirits," but had associations to more asiatic/siberian (far east) spirits and of course animals. The satanic goetic is simply the gods reappearing again in a more modern form. The fact that they are portrayed as "72 Goetic" is simply a sorcerors recorded and ordered experiences, to which is only the tip of the iceberg for knowing the gods. Ones true grimoire and relationship with the gods is locked away within genetic memory, which in itself influences the form they come to you as, aside from traditional associations. Now, of course, the latest rave is ET's... but that is simply a tactic by the enemy to distance everyone from the truth, as the ET are the gods taking an even more modern form. ET's aren't far off in outer space, but closer to home than one thinks.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
They rarely do that, they usually appear in their real form, human-looking. Sometimes they can appear as the God they represent in your local/ancestral pantheon, for example Astaroth can appear to you as Aphrodite if you are Greek.
What does this have to do with the entire topic anyway? It was about someone asking about how to summon Satan :O
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Miles Alvisson <drwannabe666@ wrote:
It depends upon you, but initially the demons come to us in animal forms. This has to do with the fact, that like the roots of Satanism, it goes back to traditions far older than some of you are familiar with, that the demons worked alongside witches of old during those times.
kikesmasher71 <kikesmasher71@ wrote:
You don't summon or conjure Satan, you just ask Him what you want in a ritual.
--- In [url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "satanichillbilly" <satanichillbilly@ wrote:
I need the sigil for satan and how to conjure him.... I dont wanna lose the love of my life... She wont listen to me about a guy that stole her from me before and now I have her back and she wont stop talkin to him.... She loves me and hates him but she wont stop talkin to him.... I need satan's help on gettin rid of that guy....
