@Serbon: What is spirituality a means to?

[Paladin of Khepu]

I made a new thread, as not to bother people by derailing the other.

Spirituality was never my goal, only a means. That's why there are some things we will never be able to agree on. The future and reality remain the same regardless of such petty arguments.

Meteor, I dont want to argue with you and I wasnt the part of these arguments in the first place. Just wanted to ask, what is spirituality means to?

I started meditating because I wanted to break out of a bad habit. I realised the habit wasn't worth it, and noticed by accident that I could get my "fix" just by visualising energy, and that's when someone recommended the beginner meditations from JoS to me. Then I was able to break the habit without even the slightest hint of difficulty right from the first day I started meditating.

As I kept meditating, I gradually developed what could be described as particular psychic abilities (telepathy and sensory control), which sexually liberated me, saving me from years of sexual repression (or potentially even a lifetime depending on what the future had in store for me otherwise), and greatly improving my well-being. I owe this entirely to spirituality, and I'm certain that nothing material could ever have substituted this.

Based on my experiences, I can say that spirituality is a means to mastery over both the conscious and subconscious mind, something which many underestimate the value of. While there's certainly an objective, material world out there that is very fascinating to study, it's also a bit like a dream we all happen to share. By understanding and embracing the subjective manner in which each of us interacts with "reality", it's possible to perform, and experience, miracles that go beyond the reach of science. That, as well as improving the well-being of oneself and others by understanding the workings of the mind better and therefore being able to accomodate its needs more effectively, is what spirituality is a means to, in my opinion.

Perhaps I should use meditation to break the habit of lurking here. I'm very literal at heart, and after thinking about it more, I concluded that to me, Science is Truth, Satya, "Satan". As such, organised religion is not something I could ever be compatible with. However, after having experienced spirituality for myself, I can no longer deny its irreplaceable merits, even if I look down on those who take their superstitions so far that it causes them to misunderstand things or even fall into delusion. I've seen and experienced for myself the power of belief, and there's no way I could ever forget.

There are some things people just can't believe or imagine unless they experience it for themselves; that's why I would be an outcast in any scientific community too. So I've decided to go my own way, and live a life in harmony with myself first and foremost, regardless of other people.

I know there's strength in numbers. Even so, I think it's best for me that I seek it closer to home, and live a secluded life for me to enjoy with my loved ones. The rest of the world can fight out their ideologies if they want to, while I use science and meditation to further my own interests.

Hmm, that is understandable @Meteor, I’m happy you’ve grasped the essential parts and have advanced. Seclusion is fine a well if meant to advance, but do understand this war does incorporate our own decisions and actions. Sitting while everyone fights out their ideologies is in all respects to the greater good of the planet a way of calling it quits. I’m not saying you are, but others may see as such. We are fighting for our Gods who have taught humanity and still instructs in different forms to propel us forward to the Golden Age we seek.

Although I can attest like anyone here, that so far it’s draining on some days. But honestly, I wouldn’t have it any other way, because at least I can continue to fight to my capacity and continue to push forward. Like with your advancement, you keep pushing. Keep it up.

 

[hailourtruegod]

I made a new thread, as not to bother people by derailing the other.

Meteor, I dont want to argue with you and I wasnt the part of these arguments in the first place. Just wanted to ask, what is spirituality means to?

I started meditating because I wanted to break out of a bad habit. I realised the habit wasn't worth it, and noticed by accident that I could get my "fix" just by visualising energy, and that's when someone recommended the beginner meditations from JoS to me. Then I was able to break the habit without even the slightest hint of difficulty right from the first day I started meditating.

As I kept meditating, I gradually developed what could be described as particular psychic abilities (telepathy and sensory control), which sexually liberated me, saving me from years of sexual repression (or potentially even a lifetime depending on what the future had in store for me otherwise), and greatly improving my well-being. I owe this entirely to spirituality, and I'm certain that nothing material could ever have substituted this.

Based on my experiences, I can say that spirituality is a means to mastery over both the conscious and subconscious mind, something which many underestimate the value of. While there's certainly an objective, material world out there that is very fascinating to study, it's also a bit like a dream we all happen to share. By understanding and embracing the subjective manner in which each of us interacts with "reality", it's possible to perform, and experience, miracles that go beyond the reach of science. That, as well as improving the well-being of oneself and others by understanding the workings of the mind better and therefore being able to accomodate its needs more effectively, is what spirituality is a means to, in my opinion.

Perhaps I should use meditation to break the habit of lurking here. I'm very literal at heart, and after thinking about it more, I concluded that to me, Science is Truth, Satya, "Satan". As such, organised religion is not something I could ever be compatible with. However, after having experienced spirituality for myself, I can no longer deny its irreplaceable merits, even if I look down on those who take their superstitions so far that it causes them to misunderstand things or even fall into delusion. I've seen and experienced for myself the power of belief, and there's no way I could ever forget.

There are some things people just can't believe or imagine unless they experience it for themselves; that's why I would be an outcast in any scientific community too. So I've decided to go my own way, and live a life in harmony with myself first and foremost, regardless of other people.

I know there's strength in numbers. Even so, I think it's best for me that I seek it closer to home, and live a secluded life for me to enjoy with my loved ones. The rest of the world can fight out their ideologies if they want to, while I use science and meditation to further my own interests.

Hmm, that is understandable @Meteor, I’m happy you’ve grasped the essential parts and have advanced. Seclusion is fine a well if meant to advance, but do understand this war does incorporate our own decisions and actions. Sitting while everyone fights out their ideologies is in all respects to the greater good of the planet a way of calling it quits. I’m not saying you are, but others may see as such. We are fighting for our Gods who have taught humanity and still instructs in different forms to propel us forward to the Golden Age we seek.

Although I can attest like anyone here, that so far it’s draining on some days. But honestly, I wouldn’t have it any other way, because at least I can continue to fight to my capacity and continue to push forward. Like with your advancement, you keep pushing. Keep it up.

Great points here that I have to agree with but also more in line with Ramier here about how important it is to fight for humanity and not just seclude ourselves fully. As mentioned for specific purposes like privacy for spiritual work then yes I love me some isolation there but me loving the Gods and knowing they love me I know they would want me to fight for the others they love too. If not for those without then at least for your brothers and sisters here who also have families and close ones they hold so dear.


Besides that part I understand and have to agree with how spirituality (for me also at least) is about full control of the full self more than it is about having spiritual powers by itself.

 

[Paladin of Khepu]

I made a new thread, as not to bother people by derailing the other.

I started meditating because I wanted to break out of a bad habit. I realised the habit wasn't worth it, and noticed by accident that I could get my "fix" just by visualising energy, and that's when someone recommended the beginner meditations from JoS to me. Then I was able to break the habit without even the slightest hint of difficulty right from the first day I started meditating.

As I kept meditating, I gradually developed what could be described as particular psychic abilities (telepathy and sensory control), which sexually liberated me, saving me from years of sexual repression (or potentially even a lifetime depending on what the future had in store for me otherwise), and greatly improving my well-being. I owe this entirely to spirituality, and I'm certain that nothing material could ever have substituted this.

Based on my experiences, I can say that spirituality is a means to mastery over both the conscious and subconscious mind, something which many underestimate the value of. While there's certainly an objective, material world out there that is very fascinating to study, it's also a bit like a dream we all happen to share. By understanding and embracing the subjective manner in which each of us interacts with "reality", it's possible to perform, and experience, miracles that go beyond the reach of science. That, as well as improving the well-being of oneself and others by understanding the workings of the mind better and therefore being able to accomodate its needs more effectively, is what spirituality is a means to, in my opinion.

Perhaps I should use meditation to break the habit of lurking here. I'm very literal at heart, and after thinking about it more, I concluded that to me, Science is Truth, Satya, "Satan". As such, organised religion is not something I could ever be compatible with. However, after having experienced spirituality for myself, I can no longer deny its irreplaceable merits, even if I look down on those who take their superstitions so far that it causes them to misunderstand things or even fall into delusion. I've seen and experienced for myself the power of belief, and there's no way I could ever forget.

There are some things people just can't believe or imagine unless they experience it for themselves; that's why I would be an outcast in any scientific community too. So I've decided to go my own way, and live a life in harmony with myself first and foremost, regardless of other people.

I know there's strength in numbers. Even so, I think it's best for me that I seek it closer to home, and live a secluded life for me to enjoy with my loved ones. The rest of the world can fight out their ideologies if they want to, while I use science and meditation to further my own interests.

Hmm, that is understandable @Meteor, I’m happy you’ve grasped the essential parts and have advanced. Seclusion is fine a well if meant to advance, but do understand this war does incorporate our own decisions and actions. Sitting while everyone fights out their ideologies is in all respects to the greater good of the planet a way of calling it quits. I’m not saying you are, but others may see as such. We are fighting for our Gods who have taught humanity and still instructs in different forms to propel us forward to the Golden Age we seek.

Although I can attest like anyone here, that so far it’s draining on some days. But honestly, I wouldn’t have it any other way, because at least I can continue to fight to my capacity and continue to push forward. Like with your advancement, you keep pushing. Keep it up.

Great points here that I have to agree with but also more in line with Ramier here about how important it is to fight for humanity and not just seclude ourselves fully. As mentioned for specific purposes like privacy for spiritual work then yes I love me some isolation there but me loving the Gods and knowing they love me I know they would want me to fight for the others they love too. If not for those without then at least for your brothers and sisters here who also have families and close ones they hold so dear.


Besides that part I understand and have to agree with how spirituality (for me also at least) is about full control of the full self more than it is about having spiritual powers by itself.

It is essential to have self control, but more importantly understand when and where to let loose. I’ve noticed that sometimes people think seclusion will get the job done in advancement, but that depends heavily on the individual, so on that note that is marginal and will vary on circumstances.

I seclude because I prefer to be secluded, more or less as I see the current human degradation a bit unsettling. However I can be among them, just when I feel the need to be around people. Besides meditation makes things much easier. Yoga is definitely more relaxing with some music. Puts you to sleep though when in corpse pose lol.

 

[hailourtruegod]

Hmm, that is understandable @Meteor, I’m happy you’ve grasped the essential parts and have advanced. Seclusion is fine a well if meant to advance, but do understand this war does incorporate our own decisions and actions. Sitting while everyone fights out their ideologies is in all respects to the greater good of the planet a way of calling it quits. I’m not saying you are, but others may see as such. We are fighting for our Gods who have taught humanity and still instructs in different forms to propel us forward to the Golden Age we seek.

Although I can attest like anyone here, that so far it’s draining on some days. But honestly, I wouldn’t have it any other way, because at least I can continue to fight to my capacity and continue to push forward. Like with your advancement, you keep pushing. Keep it up.

Great points here that I have to agree with but also more in line with Ramier here about how important it is to fight for humanity and not just seclude ourselves fully. As mentioned for specific purposes like privacy for spiritual work then yes I love me some isolation there but me loving the Gods and knowing they love me I know they would want me to fight for the others they love too. If not for those without then at least for your brothers and sisters here who also have families and close ones they hold so dear.


Besides that part I understand and have to agree with how spirituality (for me also at least) is about full control of the full self more than it is about having spiritual powers by itself.

It is essential to have self control, but more importantly understand when and where to let loose. I’ve noticed that sometimes people think seclusion will get the job done in advancement, but that depends heavily on the individual, so on that note that is marginal and will vary on circumstances.

I seclude because I prefer to be secluded, more or less as I see the current human degradation a bit unsettling. However I can be among them, just when I feel the need to be around people. Besides meditation makes things much easier. Yoga is definitely more relaxing with some music. Puts you to sleep though when in corpse pose lol.

Yoga and meditation both have helped deal with the negativity we see everyday as well. Everyone's different like you implied and I myself needed (still kind of do but not as much) a lot of isolation since I didn't have the mental capacity to handle people's stupidity. Now I can a little better xD

What has helped a lot in my honest opinion as well is reading HPHC's post and having a different way to see things that has cleared a lot of things since I started taking those posts even more serious and I'm able to understand situations and Even people better. It's like being a close follower or a direct student of a modern Epictetus or Plato.

And yes corpse pose is incredibly comfy after a good session of yoga. I have found myself fall asleep a few times especially when coming from a long day at work. You feel so good after

All these things go a long way.