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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@... wrote:
Alright let me clear this up for you and finish it.
What I said was that when one dies - stay with me on this one - they evovle to a higher plane (their soul). Did I say anywhere that you physically go to a higher plane? No I didn't...Astrally you do. RHP? Did I say that one had to die? Did I say that you needed to die? Did I say it was a nessecity in order to "advance"? Did I say for people to go mass suicidal to understand "the all"? No...So don't go around calling me a damn kike.
And yes REALLY....plus why are you even getting all worked up on my words?
Here's what I did...I just posted a message for people to read and say what they had to say and NOT have it turn into a battle like you want, because I stated I'm not going into that...but apparently you must love doing that since you practically stated is was one when it wasn't.
I post one thing, then everyone sees me as PUBLIC ENEMY NUMBER ONE. Seriously, what did I do to you personally? Did I hurt your pride? Did I ever curse you out or call you a damn kike? No. All I did was post a message..that's all. Expecting not to have someone to only "hit" only one aspect of my post; the nigredo. Sure I may have missed it, even slightly. But nobody is "all knowing". And you only "attacked" the nigredo part of the post..shows that you practically discredited everything else that was there and only decided to hit that one point..that has been the entire "conversation" you have given.
Now it seems that one can't post something without someone being almost entirely discrimainate on the message.
Ask questions instead of assuming in that mind of yours that "this is what he really means...I'm going to prove him wrong."
I didnt post to step on toes or piss people off, just to put it out there. Apparently, when it comes to something that mentions anything outside of the usual "parameter" of the posts on the board, everyone goes AWOL..Of course not literally, but a lot of people do. The usual parameter is someone asks a question..the replier either posts the site or answers it themselves..and then posts the site.
Calm down..I did not even say I starting anything like you thought I did..
This is a post...not a death threat.
Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida
On Tue Aug 30th, 2011 2:27 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:
Post #1: "Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god."
Post #2: "There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence."
Post #3: "What I was trying to ACTUALLY say was when one dies in the physical - naturally of course not suicide - then they become reincarnated into a higher plane. Did I say you die? NO."
Which one is it? You claimed first that one dies and then can become a god, then that a stage of the MAGNUM OPUS one dies and elevates in a higher existance, and in the third one that one dies and gets in a higher plane, not a god, neither in the magnum opus. Note the 3rd message comes after a quote I posted that the magnum opus process does not involve dying in any way. Contradictions?
Not to mention all of them are RHP ideas and easily disproven because many people have past lives, even those who are spiritually closed. Yes those people are not in a "higher plane", whatever you mean by that, nor gods. Some people have lots of past lives going back to when the Gods created humanity. Not only that, but we have also many negative things which persist from our past lives, if one went to a "higher plane" these wouldn't exist.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrote:
If you weren't trying to start a "battle" over a page then you shouldn't say that your site supports whatever random misinfo/disinfo your made up without even giving a quote from the site. This is what pisses me off, people saying whatever misinfo they want and claim that the JoS site mentions this. That's the tactic of the kikes and what the kikes do to slander us.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrote:
But even what you said is again wrong, when one dies his soul stays exactly the same as it was in this life. As many of us have psychic abilities from past lives because we awakened them while others are completely spiritually closed. That's why we meditate so that our spiritual progress from this life carries on to our next life if we don't reach godhead. Relying on death and claiming death does something good is RHP thought. Satanism is about this life, not death or anything else. Death does not make you get higher or something, death is boring and your soul stays the same.
You don't seem to understand what a plane is. Planes are the physical, astral e.t.c. and there's no such thing as "getting reincarnated to a plane", you just exist in multiple planes. It's just that many of us are spiritually closed so we can't access higher planes. We can live to one or two planes, the Gods can access more planes than that.
Actually you did say that the magnum opus involves death in your original post somehow which I explained it is not and then you changed the entire thing in your new post and claimed not to say that. REALLY...
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@ wrote:
Note that I didn't ask anything. I didn't say if I said when. Plus I didn't say that one dies in meditation. What I was trying to ACTUALLY say was when one dies in the physical - naturally of course not suicide - then they become reincarnated into a higher plane. Did I say you die? NO. I said when....WHEN. Not in the meditation which I clarified in my original post. This post wasn't just for stating points out of nowhere..it was also for those who may have taken thw working in the literal sense; e.g nigredo.
And for the formula..understand this..
If we didnt have Fathers esssence, the chakra, Then there wouldn't be a Magnum Opus. What I said was "the formula is within us". And yes it is, the components for it. With none of the materials present there is no working.
Yes in Father we learn of it, but with nothing to start on there is no formula..only trial (Lost Book of Enki when they created us).
And no maybe not on the Magnum Opus page but on the site it wasn't as "clarified". So this was to help those who wantes that understanding.
So say what you wish...but I stick to my ground.
Try to see what lies behind a message, not just what you wish to debate.
Also, this post wasn't a question. And I'm not trying to start some "war" or "battle" over a page on the site.
This is done.
Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida
On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 6:09 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:
FYI, another person asked the same thing like yours, i.e. if you physically die during the magnum opus and HPS Maxine said no, not only you don't die in any way but the working PHYSICALLY REVERSES AGING. You should read it carefully, this post:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JoyofSata ... sage/31545
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "diznit26" <diznit26@ wrote:
"If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god."
Please point where it says this because I found it nowhere in the specific section:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpent ... _Opus.html
I even did a search for the word "nigredo" and couldn't find anywhere in this page and in the sub pages.
The only mention of this is in the "Satanic Symbols" page where it explains the nigredo stage but it again does not imply literal death like I said:
"The Skull and Bones is symbolic of the Nigredo stage of the Magnum Opus (The transformation of the soul into the godhead). This is the death stage in the work, before the soul is purified into the godhead. The dross is separated from the pure."
It says "the death stage", not the death period. It's a STAGE.
"One doesn't just induce this in one meditation."
Again no one said that you die in a meditation. No one talked about literal death. As the site says it separates the dross from the pure, the dross symbolically "dies", that's what the Nigredo stage is.
"The formula for its working lies in us."
No it is not. Without Satan you can't find it. If it was like you said then every non-Satanist would found it and would be the equal level than us and wouldn't need Satan. It comes from SATAN, HE teaches us how to reach it.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Haizuru Ishida <wolfguardian1@ wrote:
To the one with the percent signs - i suppose.
There is physical immortality yes but, in the Nigredo stage one dies and reincarnates into a higher existence. Have you done the Magnum Opus? The actual working? One doesn't just do a meditation that somehow causes one to die. The way I have seen it is that one dies then transcends (depending on your spiritual maturity) into a higher plane.
If you read the Magnum Opus on the site it states that one dies and is reincarnated as a god. One doesn't just induce this in one meditation.
Plus if you have ever even wondered, the Magnum Opus exists within us. The formula for its working lies in us. We have the essence of Father within us, which means the formula coincides within us. And when one realizes the answer the rest shall follow.
Be open and it shall come to you.
Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida
On Mon Aug 29th, 2011 5:14 AM PDT diznit26 wrote:
No, when you lose your physical body your spiritual progress stays exactly the same as you were before and can't be changed because to empower yourself you need a physical body. Actually the physical and astral body are inter-connected to each other, you can't advance spiritually without either one. Not to mention it's extremely boring wihtout a physical body as you can't do anything and that's one of the reasons people get reincarnated.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], "mary.okaa" <mary.okaa@ wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with death/losing your physical existence. It's just the natural changing of energies and elevation (or descent - depending on the person) of frequency level.
In other words, I wouldn't mind "dying" during the Magnum Opus, because I'll end up being perceived by the more evolved peoples, anyways.
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[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url], Don Danko <mageson6666@ wrote:
I have to disagree with the core of this conclusion as the examples do not support this thesis. The whole point of the Magnum Opus as stated is physical immorality and eternal youth, not physical death the black stage is symbolic death and rebirth.
From: Haizuru <wolfguardian1@
To:
[url=mailto:[email protected]][email protected][/url]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 6:45:25 PM
Subject: [JoyofSatan666] Revelation
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I have come to this conclusion:
When one comes to a higher understanding and becomes empowered enough to see the truth one understands "the working".
This is the conclusion....
The soul and body (material/spiritual) merge into equilibrium as one. This also symbolizes the ida, pingala and shushumna coming together as one. The same goes for the feminine (pineal) and masculine (sacral) aspects of the elixer of life. Coming together as this purifies and cleanses one's soul of the dross ("the night" - if you have read the Emerald Tablets of Thoth).
Then when one dies, they shall reincarnate in a higher existence; in this case, a god.
The Magnum Opus states the Nigredo stage.
Which when one dies the soul and body are purified of the dross and one becomes a god.
To presumably clear that aspect, I have never heard of a meditation that induced death.. only of empowerment.
When this happens, the chakras flip - the 6th, crown and throat switch with the root, sacral and solar - which (slightly off topic) is why at most times you see the image of a buddhist within a lotus (crown).
The Philosopher's Stone which lies and
belongs in the heart chakra, works to purify the soul as well as to amplify ones intentions (close to instant).
The four elements of the soul once balanced and equal come together and invoke the akasha (quintessence). Which is the universal energy of the astral and material.
This should only occur as one matures
in their personal empowerment and well-being.
Ave Satanas!
Ave Duat!
Haizuru Ishida
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