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I found this synopsis about Albert Speers 'Inside the Third Reich' (1942-45). Excerpts 'quotes of the Führer' are below. I would greatly appreciate some more information about this, as the internet has been censored of helpful info to a large extent. Unlike the person who wrote this, I think Speer was maybe told what to say by Jüden. I've also read that in 1937, the Third Reich banned many occult groups, arresting occultists. This was because of the theosophical poisoning of occultism, as. many had espoused internationalism. The Third Reich wanted to make occultism scientific and not some popular fad; however, I've read that palmistry and astrology were banned. I assume because they espoused the anthroposophical influence of Rudolph Steiner. I'm aware that many Christian things, like the word Satan in the Ford Translation of Mein Kampf, and plausibly speeches like that of Goebbels, were falsified. I didn't even know they could do that to audio from a video back then, so was there any form of mass appeal the NSDAP employed to the xian masses? I don't believe xian text as proof of NS xian support.I just learned about the logical fallacy of begging the question, so when I ask how and someone tells me why. I doubt this shit already, I just want a technical answer, not that 'it is fake because we said so.' 'Satanische Ziel' (Satan's goal) was stated in Goebbels' speech when they lost the war, I believe.
The excerpt:
["The main problems for Speer's memoirs, both Inside the Third Reich and the Spandau Diaries are two-fold. Firstly, part of the appeal of Speer's postwar writings was that as an insider, he gives a portrait of the Third Reich's leadership and it is often an unflattering picture. Speer spends a good deal of time in his postwar writings describing the personal foibles and character flaws of figures like Goering and Himmler as corrupt and incompetent. Speer portrayed Hitler as a magnetic enigma and one whose charisma masked his demonic tendencies. This is not to say that these historical portraits are manufactured or completely inaccurate, but they often served a narrative function of embellishing Speer's self-constructed image as a seduced and fundamentally naive figure. These unflattering portraits of the NSDAP elite have unfortunate implications, especially within the German middle class social milieu in which a fundamental lack of culture and education, as well as parvenu pretensions, is a somewhat damning faux pas.
The second factor undermining the veracity of Speer's postwar writings is that he was incredibly selective about how he portrayed the Nazi period and his role in it. Speer did a good deal of researching his memoirs was done via the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz and the archivists there do not recall him asking for materials on either forced labor or the Holocaust. Bombing had destroyed a good deal of the Armaments Ministry's own archives, so Speer often had a good deal of wiggle-room with which to portray his efforts in the most flattering light as possible. He portrayed himself as an apolitical figure whose main flaw was loyalty, which led to Speer embellishing his connections to the 20 July plot and even a claim he planned to kill Hitler in 1945, of which it the only evidence is Speer's word for it. The two main assistants for his memoirs, were journalists Joachim Fest and Wolf Jobst Siedler, men who had knowledge of the Third Reich, but were not trained historians. Neither they, nor their own research assistants, visited Koblenz to check the veracity of Speer's account, nor did they consult historians (Fest's view of the profession was rather dismissive). Siedler and Fest did interview some parties who were witnesses to the events Speer described, such as Milch, but many of these contemporaries of Speer were just as interested in a postwar exoneration as Speer. More disturbingly, Siedler and Fest also consulted David Irving on various points. Although Irving had yet to write his "opus" Hitler's War, it is a considerable red flag and his dalliances with Holocaust denialism has colored his earlier works on Milch and Dresden.
While Speer's lively and intimate style might enchant lay readers, the omissions and pattern of blame-shifting is rather obvious to those aware of the voluminous historiography on the Third Reich. In his review of the memoirs, the historian Golo Mann noted that Speer's direct references to the Holocaust were often quite facile and a kind of weak exculpatory. Reviews by other German historians were likewise troubled by Speer's selectivity and weak admissions of guilt. What would have been even more damning for the likes of Mann was that subsequent research into Speer and the Armaments Ministry has shown him deeply involved in issues of forced labor and aware of the exploitation and murder of the Jews. Speer relied upon an edited version of the War Ministry's Chronicle maintained by his colleague Rudolf Wolters, which he subsequently donated to the Bundesarchiv. Nor has Speer's reputation as a miracle worker in armament's production fared very well in the historiography produced since 1970. Both Adam Tooze and R. J. Overy have shown that Speer's achievements were more apparent than real, and these findings have also been largely confirmed by the Bundeswehr's Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt's official history of the Second World War.
So Speer's various writings are valuable in that they preserve a specific type of postwar self-fashioning of the past. The success of Speer's memoirs in the West German readership resonated with a wide swath of the population in that it was an incredibly comforting vision of a disturbing past. Speer's exculpatory picture acknowledged the crimes of the Third Reich, but in a manner that did not command a great deal of self-reflection or recrimination. To be seduced by evil is a much safer narrative of the past than to be a collaborator, or worse, a beneficiary of Hitler.
So in short, how much should you trust Speer's Inside the Third Reich? About as far as you can throw it."]
Source of synopsis:
Excerpts from the book:
In his memoirs, Nazi architect Albert Speer allegedly quotes Hitler:
"What nonsense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now [Himmler] wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition. To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! Can you imagine it? I would turn over in my grave...
"Himmler has made another speech calling Charlemagne 'the butcher of the Saxons.' Killing all those Saxons was not a historical crime, as Himmler thinks. Charlemagne did a good thing subjugating Widukind and killing the Saxons out of hand. He thereby made possible the empire of the Franks and the entry of Western culture into what is now Germany."
Here are some key quotes from Hitler's "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle," Hitler's autobiography & statement of beliefs), in which he clearly states what he thinks of those who follow the Old Gods.
"It is entirely out of harmony with the spirit of the nation to keep harping on that far-off and forgotten nomenclature which belongs to the ancient Germanic times and does not awaken any distinct association in our age. This habit of borrowing words from the dead past tends to mislead the people into thinking that the external trappings of its vocabulary are the important feature of a movement. It is really a mischievous habit; but it is quite prevalent nowadays."
"I had to warn followers repeatedly against these wandering scholars who were peddling Germanic folk-lore and who never accomplished anything positive or practical, except to cultivate their own superabundant self-conceit."
"It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient Teutonic heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according to ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of oxen mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And thus they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears. Posterity will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic gladiators."
"I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a profound contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the nation they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his own interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of themselves. Notwithstanding their complete fecklessness, which is an established fact, they pretend to know everything better than other people; so much so that they make themselves a veritable nuisance to all sincere and honest patriots, to whom not only the heroism of the past is worthy of honor but who also feel bound to leave examples of their own work for the inspiration of the coming generation."
~Regards
The excerpt:
["The main problems for Speer's memoirs, both Inside the Third Reich and the Spandau Diaries are two-fold. Firstly, part of the appeal of Speer's postwar writings was that as an insider, he gives a portrait of the Third Reich's leadership and it is often an unflattering picture. Speer spends a good deal of time in his postwar writings describing the personal foibles and character flaws of figures like Goering and Himmler as corrupt and incompetent. Speer portrayed Hitler as a magnetic enigma and one whose charisma masked his demonic tendencies. This is not to say that these historical portraits are manufactured or completely inaccurate, but they often served a narrative function of embellishing Speer's self-constructed image as a seduced and fundamentally naive figure. These unflattering portraits of the NSDAP elite have unfortunate implications, especially within the German middle class social milieu in which a fundamental lack of culture and education, as well as parvenu pretensions, is a somewhat damning faux pas.
The second factor undermining the veracity of Speer's postwar writings is that he was incredibly selective about how he portrayed the Nazi period and his role in it. Speer did a good deal of researching his memoirs was done via the Bundesarchiv in Koblenz and the archivists there do not recall him asking for materials on either forced labor or the Holocaust. Bombing had destroyed a good deal of the Armaments Ministry's own archives, so Speer often had a good deal of wiggle-room with which to portray his efforts in the most flattering light as possible. He portrayed himself as an apolitical figure whose main flaw was loyalty, which led to Speer embellishing his connections to the 20 July plot and even a claim he planned to kill Hitler in 1945, of which it the only evidence is Speer's word for it. The two main assistants for his memoirs, were journalists Joachim Fest and Wolf Jobst Siedler, men who had knowledge of the Third Reich, but were not trained historians. Neither they, nor their own research assistants, visited Koblenz to check the veracity of Speer's account, nor did they consult historians (Fest's view of the profession was rather dismissive). Siedler and Fest did interview some parties who were witnesses to the events Speer described, such as Milch, but many of these contemporaries of Speer were just as interested in a postwar exoneration as Speer. More disturbingly, Siedler and Fest also consulted David Irving on various points. Although Irving had yet to write his "opus" Hitler's War, it is a considerable red flag and his dalliances with Holocaust denialism has colored his earlier works on Milch and Dresden.
While Speer's lively and intimate style might enchant lay readers, the omissions and pattern of blame-shifting is rather obvious to those aware of the voluminous historiography on the Third Reich. In his review of the memoirs, the historian Golo Mann noted that Speer's direct references to the Holocaust were often quite facile and a kind of weak exculpatory. Reviews by other German historians were likewise troubled by Speer's selectivity and weak admissions of guilt. What would have been even more damning for the likes of Mann was that subsequent research into Speer and the Armaments Ministry has shown him deeply involved in issues of forced labor and aware of the exploitation and murder of the Jews. Speer relied upon an edited version of the War Ministry's Chronicle maintained by his colleague Rudolf Wolters, which he subsequently donated to the Bundesarchiv. Nor has Speer's reputation as a miracle worker in armament's production fared very well in the historiography produced since 1970. Both Adam Tooze and R. J. Overy have shown that Speer's achievements were more apparent than real, and these findings have also been largely confirmed by the Bundeswehr's Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt's official history of the Second World War.
So Speer's various writings are valuable in that they preserve a specific type of postwar self-fashioning of the past. The success of Speer's memoirs in the West German readership resonated with a wide swath of the population in that it was an incredibly comforting vision of a disturbing past. Speer's exculpatory picture acknowledged the crimes of the Third Reich, but in a manner that did not command a great deal of self-reflection or recrimination. To be seduced by evil is a much safer narrative of the past than to be a collaborator, or worse, a beneficiary of Hitler.
So in short, how much should you trust Speer's Inside the Third Reich? About as far as you can throw it."]
Source of synopsis:
Excerpts from the book:
In his memoirs, Nazi architect Albert Speer allegedly quotes Hitler:
"What nonsense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind it, and now [Himmler] wants to start that all over again. We might just as well have stayed with the church. At least it had tradition. To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint! Can you imagine it? I would turn over in my grave...
"Himmler has made another speech calling Charlemagne 'the butcher of the Saxons.' Killing all those Saxons was not a historical crime, as Himmler thinks. Charlemagne did a good thing subjugating Widukind and killing the Saxons out of hand. He thereby made possible the empire of the Franks and the entry of Western culture into what is now Germany."
Here are some key quotes from Hitler's "Mein Kampf" ("My Struggle," Hitler's autobiography & statement of beliefs), in which he clearly states what he thinks of those who follow the Old Gods.
"It is entirely out of harmony with the spirit of the nation to keep harping on that far-off and forgotten nomenclature which belongs to the ancient Germanic times and does not awaken any distinct association in our age. This habit of borrowing words from the dead past tends to mislead the people into thinking that the external trappings of its vocabulary are the important feature of a movement. It is really a mischievous habit; but it is quite prevalent nowadays."
"I had to warn followers repeatedly against these wandering scholars who were peddling Germanic folk-lore and who never accomplished anything positive or practical, except to cultivate their own superabundant self-conceit."
"It is typical of such persons that they rant about ancient Teutonic heroes of the dim and distant ages, stone axes, battle spears and shields, whereas in reality they themselves are the woefullest poltroons imaginable. For those very same people who brandish Teutonic tin swords that have been fashioned carefully according to ancient models and wear padded bear-skins, with the horns of oxen mounted over their bearded faces, proclaim that all contemporary conflicts must be decided by the weapons of the mind alone. And thus they skedaddle when the first communist cudgel appears. Posterity will have little occasion to write a new epic on these heroic gladiators."
"I have seen too much of that kind of people not to feel a profound contempt for their miserable play-acting. To the masses of the nation they are just an object of ridicule; but the Jew finds it to his own interest to treat these folk-lore comedians with respect and to prefer them to real men who are fighting to establish a German State. And yet these comedians are extremely proud of themselves. Notwithstanding their complete fecklessness, which is an established fact, they pretend to know everything better than other people; so much so that they make themselves a veritable nuisance to all sincere and honest patriots, to whom not only the heroism of the past is worthy of honor but who also feel bound to leave examples of their own work for the inspiration of the coming generation."
~Regards
