Question #5690: Odin

[AskSatanOperator]

If Odin is Satan then what about the Norse ideal of dying in battle and going to Valhalla? Weren't the Norse a warrior society they needed war to justify their beliefs

 

[SatAnon]

What about that? The Gods in all ancient religions are the same, but nobody said that every single cultural custom or belief came from them. Most of them, like you said, came from their cultures.

Satanists are more interested in their esoteric teachings like magick and runes than their exoteric cultural beliefs. That's our difference with the neo-Pagans.

 

[AFODO]

Those who fight are brave. Braveness is our most important virtue. Life is war, we are fighting all the time. Those who don't fight will be slaves to their karma and stuck in the eternal cycle of reincarnation.

 

[Ol argedco luciftias]

Vikings were not focused on war. Most of everything, they were focused on trading with other people. They traded with other villages, and traded in locations in other countries. They had trade routes into Russia, and even into Persia. Which is the area of Iran and Syria. Nearly all of the gold and silver that have been found buried with Vikings have all been Persian coins. Millions of Persian coins. That they have gotten by peacefully trading.

They only did war when they were forced to do war. Like the many different times when England has gone into their farms and murdered hundreds of women and children in the Viking farming villages. The surviving men were forced to go to war to defend against this.

The real thing about their courage or willingness to fight is that they were not afraid of death because they knew the Gods, and they knew that the body dying is not the end of the soul's life. They did not have the religious fear that christians have.

Probably the greatest and most accurate book about Viking civilization is The Age of the Vikings by Anders Winroth. You can find a free PDF of this.

 

[OttoHart]

Probably the greatest and most accurate book about Viking civilization is The Age of the Vikings by Anders Winroth. You can find a free PDF of this.

Can absolutely recommend this book, as it kickstarted my study of Norse Paganism.

To reply to OP, war can mean many things, and there are deep aspects to the Brave Warrior archetype.
This archetype has been praised in many cultures, and the fact that only the Norse is "mainstream" has to do with many reasons. But one look at Alexander the Great, Ramses II and many others shows you they were absolutely "Brave Warriors who achieved Vallhala".

Paganism often found similarity in difference and difference in similarity. These things come to you as you advance and read.

 

[Stormblood]

This is a multi-layered allegory. Other than being about bravery, it's also about the internal war against the forces of entropy that try to annihilate you. This is one of the types of war all Spiritual Satanists fight in, represented by the Thor rune. There are other types of War, and they are all taken into account in this eternal battle allegory.

Death in battle simply has to do with the stages of spiritual alchemy, and also the every 'death' aka 'deep transformation, transition' required fo make positive changes in your life. It relates to the Eiws rune, and the phoenix allegory. Valhalla is a state of consciousness, not a place. It's the state of consciousness Heroes attain, like our beloved Lady Maxine.

This is just a short summary because I'm on mobile.

There is nothing literal in pre-abrahamic mythologies.

 

[OttoHart]

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Death in battle being the "Nigredo" surprisingly didn't come to me. But yes, that's very true.

 

[Promethean]

If Odin is Satan then what about the Norse ideal of dying in battle and going to Valhalla? Weren't the Norse a warrior society they needed war to justify their beliefs

No, they did not require war to validate their beliefs. Instead, they regarded cowardice as one of the most contemptible qualities. Dying in battle was often seen as an act of protecting the tribe—both its men and women. In doing so with honor, they earned the right to enter Valhalla. Those who did not die in battle were instead destined for Hel. Below is additional information on Loki's daughter.

The goddess Hel is one of the most enigmatic and powerful figures in Norse mythology. She is the ruler of the realm of the dead and the daughter of Loki, one of the most famous antagonist gods in the pantheon. Hel reigns over the underworld, also called Hel, where souls of those who did not die in battle, but passed away from natural causes, are sent. Hel is portrayed as an entity symbolizing death and the transition to another world. Her image is often associated with decisiveness and ruthlessness, as she governs death without any concessions. Her realm is a place where there is neither reward nor punishment, only eternal silence and peace for those who did not make it to Valhalla. Hel shows neither mercy nor compassion; her task is to maintain order in the world of the dead. She makes no distinction between the good and the bad — her rule is based on the inevitability and unchangeability of death. Unlike other gods, she does not seek worship or honor; she remains cold and impartial, watching as each soul makes its way to her realm.